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Gunbot wrote:Queen did a show in 2006 in front of 350,000. The Led Zeppelin Show was a stadium filler too. I think in America we feel we've outgrown it. Quite a pity really.

squirt1 wrote:We all know that the Beatles,Led Zep, Aerosmith,Eagles,JOURNEY,& Queen could draw HUGE crowds.Really stadium crowds is the correct word. What is the future? 90's & 2,000+ music has been bleak.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

squirt1 wrote:We all know that the Beatles,Led Zep, Aerosmith,Eagles,JOURNEY,& Queen could draw HUGE crowds.Really stadium crowds is the correct word. What is the future? 90's & 2,000+ music has been bleak.

There have been tons of great bands since the early 90s. Rock and roll ain't dead.. just because there aren't many huge stadium shows any more, doesn't necessarily mean the bands aren't still creating good music. In fact, I've enjoyed shows in small clubs and such far more than a few certain arena shows.

Just gotta know where to find the music you'd like, and go from there.. ignore the mainstream, make Rolling Stone irrelevant.

Arkansas wrote:A promoter friend of mine once said that stadium shows have become way too expensive to run. From venue rental, to dealing with labor unions, to show insurance, to vendors, to parking attendants, to local ordinances (noise, traffic, trash, etc), it's just hardly not worth it. He said you might can scrape out a decent profit if you can do some sort of all day or two day thing, but even then, the expenses can get exponential...not to mention, the promoter's staff & headaches.

When I compared it to football games, he said those are easier simply because most people are more accomodating toward a state university, or a pro team. And the major difference is that schools & pro franchises lock in to 3-5 occurence per year deal, so there are various cost breaks. Also, minimum attendance estimates are usually fairly accurate. With rock shows it's completely hit-n-miss.


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Arkansas wrote:A promoter friend of mine once said that stadium shows have become way too expensive to run. From venue rental, to dealing with labor unions, to show insurance, to vendors, to parking attendants, to local ordinances (noise, traffic, trash, etc), it's just hardly not worth it. He said you might can scrape out a decent profit if you can do some sort of all day or two day thing, but even then, the expenses can get exponential...not to mention, the promoter's staff & headaches.

That's a shame; I miss those supersize parties.

When I compared it to football games, he said those are easier simply because most people are more accomodating toward a state university, or a pro team. And the major difference is that schools & pro franchises lock in to 3-5 occurence per year deal, so there are various cost breaks. Also, minimum attendance estimates are usually fairly accurate. With rock shows it's completely hit-n-miss.


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wastingbeerz wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Queen did a show in 2006 in front of 350,000. The Led Zeppelin Show was a stadium filler too. I think in America we feel we've outgrown it. Quite a pity really.

We seem to be too much of self-serving pricks over here to bother with the really cool shit anymore... it really is a fucking pity. The only stadium shows that seem to come around here anymore are crappy watered-down modern pop-country acts that everyone around here (Pittsburgh) seems to be jumping on the bandwagon for.

wastingbeerz wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Queen did a show in 2006 in front of 350,000. The Led Zeppelin Show was a stadium filler too. I think in America we feel we've outgrown it. Quite a pity really.

We seem to be too much of self-serving pricks over here to bother with the really cool shit anymore... it really is a fucking pity. The only stadium shows that seem to come around here anymore are crappy watered-down modern pop-country acts that everyone around here (Pittsburgh) seems to be jumping on the bandwagon for.

Matthew wrote:

wastingbeerz wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Queen did a show in 2006 in front of 350,000. The Led Zeppelin Show was a stadium filler too. I think in America we feel we've outgrown it. Quite a pity really.

We seem to be too much of self-serving pricks over here to bother with the really cool shit anymore... it really is a fucking pity. The only stadium shows that seem to come around here anymore are crappy watered-down modern pop-country acts that everyone around here (Pittsburgh) seems to be jumping on the bandwagon for.

What about Metallica...U2...Red Hot Chilli Peppers...etc?

MCM wrote:

wastingbeerz wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Queen did a show in 2006 in front of 350,000. The Led Zeppelin Show was a stadium filler too. I think in America we feel we've outgrown it. Quite a pity really.

We seem to be too much of self-serving pricks over here to bother with the really cool shit anymore... it really is a fucking pity. The only stadium shows that seem to come around here anymore are crappy watered-down modern pop-country acts that everyone around here (Pittsburgh) seems to be jumping on the bandwagon for.

Correct, almost everyone I know was on board for the all day country fest they had during the summer. (I forget the headliner as I didn't care) Meanwhile you have to drive to Hershey or Philadelphia to see Journey or Metallica. Not to mention of the four large venues we have available in Pgh three of them are outdoor, one of them a pain in the ass to get to. A good part of the year we only have one venue that can hold a large crowd. I don't know if this is the case in other cities but it sucks here in the northeast.

Matthew wrote:

MCM wrote:

wastingbeerz wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Queen did a show in 2006 in front of 350,000. The Led Zeppelin Show was a stadium filler too. I think in America we feel we've outgrown it. Quite a pity really.

We seem to be too much of self-serving pricks over here to bother with the really cool shit anymore... it really is a fucking pity. The only stadium shows that seem to come around here anymore are crappy watered-down modern pop-country acts that everyone around here (Pittsburgh) seems to be jumping on the bandwagon for.

Correct, almost everyone I know was on board for the all day country fest they had during the summer. (I forget the headliner as I didn't care) Meanwhile you have to drive to Hershey or Philadelphia to see Journey or Metallica. Not to mention of the four large venues we have available in Pgh three of them are outdoor, one of them a pain in the ass to get to. A good part of the year we only have one venue that can hold a large crowd. I don't know if this is the case in other cities but it sucks here in the northeast.

With respect to Pittsburgh...if you live in a small city then it isn't unusual to have to drive elsewhere to see big shows. I'm not sure having to do that is a 'sign of the times'.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Matthew wrote:

wastingbeerz wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Queen did a show in 2006 in front of 350,000. The Led Zeppelin Show was a stadium filler too. I think in America we feel we've outgrown it. Quite a pity really.

We seem to be too much of self-serving pricks over here to bother with the really cool shit anymore... it really is a fucking pity. The only stadium shows that seem to come around here anymore are crappy watered-down modern pop-country acts that everyone around here (Pittsburgh) seems to be jumping on the bandwagon for.

What about Metallica...U2...Red Hot Chilli Peppers...etc?

The Metallica show I went to was in an 18,000 seat basketball arena.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Matthew wrote:

MCM wrote:

wastingbeerz wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Queen did a show in 2006 in front of 350,000. The Led Zeppelin Show was a stadium filler too. I think in America we feel we've outgrown it. Quite a pity really.

We seem to be too much of self-serving pricks over here to bother with the really cool shit anymore... it really is a fucking pity. The only stadium shows that seem to come around here anymore are crappy watered-down modern pop-country acts that everyone around here (Pittsburgh) seems to be jumping on the bandwagon for.

Correct, almost everyone I know was on board for the all day country fest they had during the summer. (I forget the headliner as I didn't care) Meanwhile you have to drive to Hershey or Philadelphia to see Journey or Metallica. Not to mention of the four large venues we have available in Pgh three of them are outdoor, one of them a pain in the ass to get to. A good part of the year we only have one venue that can hold a large crowd. I don't know if this is the case in other cities but it sucks here in the northeast.

With respect to Pittsburgh...if you live in a small city then it isn't unusual to have to drive elsewhere to see big shows. I'm not sure having to do that is a 'sign of the times'.

No way is Pittsburgh small.

Matthew wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Matthew wrote:

wastingbeerz wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Queen did a show in 2006 in front of 350,000. The Led Zeppelin Show was a stadium filler too. I think in America we feel we've outgrown it. Quite a pity really.

We seem to be too much of self-serving pricks over here to bother with the really cool shit anymore... it really is a fucking pity. The only stadium shows that seem to come around here anymore are crappy watered-down modern pop-country acts that everyone around here (Pittsburgh) seems to be jumping on the bandwagon for.

What about Metallica...U2...Red Hot Chilli Peppers...etc?

The Metallica show I went to was in an 18,000 seat basketball arena.

I've seen them in an 18,000 venue...but they played to 90,000 at the UK"s biggest stadium in London last year. Depends on the tour and the city in question. I'm not convinced we need to sit on some pity pot about our favourite bands having a hard time.

Gunbot wrote:

Matthew wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Matthew wrote:

wastingbeerz wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Queen did a show in 2006 in front of 350,000. The Led Zeppelin Show was a stadium filler too. I think in America we feel we've outgrown it. Quite a pity really.

We seem to be too much of self-serving pricks over here to bother with the really cool shit anymore... it really is a fucking pity. The only stadium shows that seem to come around here anymore are crappy watered-down modern pop-country acts that everyone around here (Pittsburgh) seems to be jumping on the bandwagon for.

What about Metallica...U2...Red Hot Chilli Peppers...etc?

The Metallica show I went to was in an 18,000 seat basketball arena.

I've seen them in an 18,000 venue...but they played to 90,000 at the UK"s biggest stadium in London last year. Depends on the tour and the city in question. I'm not convinced we need to sit on some pity pot about our favourite bands having a hard time.

As you said that show was in the U.K. It's not that we're feeling sorry for them, there just isn't that excitement that used to surround tours like in the 80's. Maybe because we can replicate the shows on DVD now or maybe ticket prices. Europe still seems to fill stadiums with the same acts that play state fairs here so I don't know what to make of it.

Gunbot wrote:As you said that show was in the U.K. It's not that we're feeling sorry for them, there just isn't that excitement that used to surround tours like in the 80's. Maybe because we can replicate the shows on DVD now or maybe ticket prices. Europe still seems to fill stadiums with the same acts that play state fairs here so I don't know what to make of it.

StocktontoMalone wrote:The difference is....Firefest wouldn't work here.

The state of the american music industry is horrendous. Beyonce, Rhianna, 50 Cent...and all these EMO bands....disposable music that ain't worth shit.

squirt1 wrote:Gunbot- Was the 350,000 concert in Budapest the one with the helicopter ? Europe ,or I should say maybe some countries in Europe, allow a field of festival standing like that muddy N Y 60's concert. I think the WHO concert,here in Cincinnati, and all the litagation, made the US promoters and public officials very aware. Anyway,I wish it could be the 70's-80's just ONE MORE TIME !!!!! I left out the Rolling Stones.

Gunbot wrote:Ukraine .

Gunbot wrote:We need another US Festival: Van Halen Benatar, Triumph, 300,000 people in swimwear. Total awesomeness.