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So I understand that the constant touring and the tough catalogue took its toll on Steve... but where did the vocal degradation come from between 1986 and 1991? from RoR to the tribute show he lost some range, and again from then to FTLOSM. he didn't do anything, yet his range continued to shrink and his rasp continued to become more evident. Don't get me wrong, I love FTLOSM and TBF, but there was definitely a degradation of his voice with no apparent activity to warrant it... anybody know anything i don't?

Chevypv wrote:So I understand that the constant touring and the tough catalogue took its toll on Steve... but where did the vocal degradation come from between 1986 and 1991? from RoR to the tribute show he lost some range, and again from then to FTLOSM. he didn't do anything, yet his range continued to shrink and his rasp continued to become more evident. Don't get me wrong, I love FTLOSM and TBF, but there was definitely a degradation of his voice with no apparent activity to warrant it... anybody know anything i don't?

My guess is from not using it, more than anything. That and age.

I personally think that his age, coupled with the heavy amounts of touring that occurred throughout his first stint with Journey, denigrated his voice during that time.

Deacon wrote:I personally think that his age, coupled with the heavy amounts of touring that occurred throughout his first stint with Journey, denigrated his voice during that time.

pretty much

stevew2 wrote:

Deacon wrote:I personally think that his age, coupled with the heavy amounts of touring that occurred throughout his first stint with Journey, denigrated his voice during that time.

pretty much

Getting old is a bitch.

LazzMan wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Deacon wrote:I personally think that his age, coupled with the heavy amounts of touring that occurred throughout his first stint with Journey, denigrated his voice during that time.

pretty much

Getting old is a bitch.

He was a work horse for 6years?? Augeri for 8. Dudes arent supposed to sing that high in there 40s for long

LazzMan wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Deacon wrote:I personally think that his age, coupled with the heavy amounts of touring that occurred throughout his first stint with Journey, denigrated his voice during that time.

pretty much

Getting old is a bitch.

Although I will say that surgery is always an option for singers but, that is very risky business. Some lose their singing voice completely after surgery (Julie Andrews) but, even if they don't, they always lose an octave or two. Perry is making out like a king with Arnel going out and singing the old catalog...and he doesn't have to life a finger. Talk about good work if you can get it. If I knew that as long as my company stayed in business I would get paid the same whether I worked or not...I guess I would choose to get fat.

stevew2 wrote:

LazzMan wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Deacon wrote:I personally think that his age, coupled with the heavy amounts of touring that occurred throughout his first stint with Journey, denigrated his voice during that time.

pretty much

Getting old is a bitch.

He was a work horse for 6years?? Augeri for 8. Dudes arent supposed to sing that high in there 40s for long

Agreed. But, Augeri blew up long before he got the boot. I do feel sorry for him whereas I don't for Perry. I'm not sure if he had the surgery or not but, here's to hoping the new Tall Stories release does well and he gets back on the road. Awesome guy.

I disagree with some of this. I think Perry's voice got better from '94 to '98. I think he was better vocally on TBF than FTLOSM, and better yet on "I Stand Alone".

Perry never seemed built for the road emotionally. He seems, by all accounts, to be a pretty private guy. So what's there to do on the road? You either sit alone or drink alone. Not saying he did either, but I think when he hit 35 he wanted out, but was sucked backed in because he didn't to see something he was such a big part of creating continue without him.

LazzMan wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

LazzMan wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Deacon wrote:I personally think that his age, coupled with the heavy amounts of touring that occurred throughout his first stint with Journey, denigrated his voice during that time.

pretty much

Getting old is a bitch.

He was a work horse for 6years?? Augeri for 8. Dudes arent supposed to sing that high in there 40s for long

Agreed. But, Augeri blew up long before he got the boot. I do feel sorry for him whereas I don't for Perry. I'm not sure if he had the surgery or not but, here's to hoping the new Tall Stories release does well and he gets back on the road. Awesome guy.

He really did get the shaft,he was at fault also,but the whole ordeal left a a bad taste in my mouth.The nitemare could have been avoided if it wasnt for greed.I should have never admired a band as much as I did.they just a bunch of dicks like the rest of us, nothin special at all,Friga included he aint number 1 bitch

Rick wrote:I disagree with some of this. I think Perry's voice got better from '94 to '98. I think he was better vocally on TBF than FTLOSM, and better yet on "I Stand Alone".

Get your hearing aid battery replaced Ricky

stevew2 wrote:but the whole ordeal left a a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm sure that's something you're used to.

Saint John wrote:

stevew2 wrote:but the whole ordeal left a a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm sure that's something you're used to.

You asshole lol

Late puberty?

stevew2 wrote:

LazzMan wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

LazzMan wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Deacon wrote:I personally think that his age, coupled with the heavy amounts of touring that occurred throughout his first stint with Journey, denigrated his voice during that time.

pretty much

Getting old is a bitch.

He was a work horse for 6years?? Augeri for 8. Dudes arent supposed to sing that high in there 40s for long

Agreed. But, Augeri blew up long before he got the boot. I do feel sorry for him whereas I don't for Perry. I'm not sure if he had the surgery or not but, here's to hoping the new Tall Stories release does well and he gets back on the road. Awesome guy.

He really did get the shaft,he was at fault also,but the whole ordeal left a a bad taste in my mouth.The nitemare could have been avoided if it wasnt for greed.I should have never admired a band as much as I did.they just a bunch of dicks like the rest of us, nothin special at all,Friga included he aint number 1 bitch

Classy guy though and, above all, a man's man. In his interview with Andrew he stood up and admitted it was his fault. It wasn't just Neal and Jon. He comes clean saying that he could have stopped the nonsense before it had gotten so far. A mistake is a mistake but, you really have to respect the hell out of him for that.

Forward to Neal talking with that radio queen in Manilla a couple of weeks ago referring to Soto as a "sit-in singer". C'mon dude, who are you trying to impress? Be a man and tell it like it is. Every time he talks he just continues to embarrass himself. He is the "anti-Augeri" in terms of standing up.

Well, from all accounts, vocal cords are no different than any other muscle. Inactivity can be just as hazardous as strenuous labor. Perry's problem was a combination of age, excessive touring, and inactivity.

As far as TBF vs. FtLoSM vs. "I Stand Alone" is concerned, I think it's fairly apparent that Perry demonstrated far greater strength and range on FtLoSM. His breath control and force were noticeably strained during TBF, though I still loved the emotive angle and harmonies he brought forth. "I Stand Alone" in contrast to both was one performance, not an entire album.

Gideon wrote:Well, from all accounts, vocal cords are no different than any other muscle. Inactivity can be just as hazardous as strenuous labor. Perry's problem was a combination of age, excessive touring, and inactivity.

As far as TBF vs. FtLoSM vs. "I Stand Alone" is concerned, I think it's fairly apparent that Perry demonstrated far greater strength and range on FtLoSM. His breath control and force were noticeably strained during TBF, though I still loved the emotive angle and harmonies he brought forth. "I Stand Alone" in contrast to both was one performance, not an entire album.

Good stuff!!!

Michigan Girl wrote:

Gideon wrote:Well, from all accounts, vocal cords are no different than any other muscle. Inactivity can be just as hazardous as strenuous labor. Perry's problem was a combination of age, excessive touring, and inactivity.

As far as TBF vs. FtLoSM vs. "I Stand Alone" is concerned, I think it's fairly apparent that Perry demonstrated far greater strength and range on FtLoSM. His breath control and force were noticeably strained during TBF, though I still loved the emotive angle and harmonies he brought forth. "I Stand Alone" in contrast to both was one performance, not an entire album.

Good stuff!!!

It's no contest.

Vocally, FtLoSM takes it. Everywhere else, TBF kicks major ass. And the vocals aren't too shabby, either. "If He Should Break Your Heart" = favorite Journey song ever.

Gideon wrote: "If He Should Break Your Heart" = favorite Journey song ever.

No kidding? yeah I must agree, it's a very good song, certainly one of my all time favorite songs. TBF is a such good album, it's well produced, and you can really appreciate that album with a nice pair of headphones. Very well written. Often criticized, but IMO one of Journey's finest albums.

Vladan wrote:

Gideon wrote: "If He Should Break Your Heart" = favorite Journey song ever.

No kidding? yeah I must agree, it's a very good song, certainly one of my all time favorite songs. TBF is a such good album, it's well produced, and you can really appreciate that album with a nice pair of headphones. Very well written. Often criticized, but IMO one of Journey's finest albums.

i think TBF is one of those albums that gets better with each listen. it's got a lot of depth & the listener needs the patience to get immersed in it to appreciate how well crafted an album it is.

Saint John wrote:

stevew2 wrote:but the whole ordeal left a a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm sure that's something you're used to.

Behshad wrote:

Saint John wrote:

stevew2 wrote:but the whole ordeal left a a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm sure that's something you're used to.