MR

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:43 am**

Just in from a night out at a restaurant with my wife and she told me this story from her day at work.

My wife is a teacher in a girls school, and in accordance with the national curriculum today she had to teach sex education to a class of 12 year olds.

Get this, the girls had to practice putting a condom on a cucumber! Listen fellas, like me your first thought is going to be, "what with their their mouth!". However, it transpires that particular skill isn't taught in schools. Nevertheless, just as the girls were struggling to get the prophylactic in place my wife's teaching assistant announces, "girls, when you are older you are going to be very disappointed":lol:

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Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:56 am**

Duncan wrote:Get this, the girls had to practice putting a condom on a cucumber!

I have really mixed feelings about this one. On one hand, that seems inappropriate... 12 years old girls and cucumbers and condoms? (Oh my!) But, on the other, and probably more important side, better they learn it, and learn it properly, I suppose, and certainly not all parents are going to teach these things. I bet the % of parents willing to answer questions honestly and explain things fully is still really low.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:02 am**

Duncan wrote:Just in from a night out at a restaurant with my wife and she told me this story from her day at work.

My wife is a teacher in a girls school, and in accordance with the national curriculum today she had to teach sex education to a class of 12 year olds.

Get this, the girls had to practice putting a condom on a cucumber! Listen fellas, like me your first thought is going to be, "what with their their mouth!". However, it transpires that particular skill isn't taught in schools. Nevertheless, just as the girls were struggling to get the prophylactic in place my wife's teaching assistant announces, "girls, when you are older you are going to be very disappointed"

(Perhaps they should have started with baby gerkins.)

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Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:02 am**

Duncan wrote:Just in from a night out at a restaurant with my wife and she told me this story from her day at work.

My wife is a teacher in a girls school, and in accordance with the national curriculum today she had to teach sex education to a class of 12 year olds.

Get this, the girls had to practice putting a condom on a cucumber! Listen fellas, like me your first thought is going to be, "what with their their mouth!". However, it transpires that particular skill isn't taught in schools. Nevertheless, just as the girls were struggling to get the prophylactic in place my wife's teaching assistant announces, "girls, when you are older you are going to be very disappointed":lol:

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I'm shocked, but LMAO!!! :wink:

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:07 am**

I think this is a good idea.....there's nothing worse than a woman not knowing how to work the stick. :lol:

Although, I have to say i've always been the one to put in on myself. I'm not lazy. :shock:

It may be a mood killer to stop and put on the Jimmy hat....but it is sometimes neccesary.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:11 am**

Duncan wrote:Just in from a night out at a restaurant with my wife and she told me this story from her day at work.

My wife is a teacher in a girls school, and in accordance with the national curriculum today she had to teach sex education to a class of 12 year olds.

Get this, the girls had to practice putting a condom on a cucumber! Listen fellas, like me your first thought is going to be, "what with their their mouth!". However, it transpires that particular skill isn't taught in schools. Nevertheless, just as the girls were struggling to get the prophylactic in place my wife's teaching assistant announces, "girls, when you are older you are going to be very disappointed":lol:

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wow seem like talking about sex in schools become more frank in these days, beyond biology, see a good start to me, but still seem to be genital knowledge and left aside an important part of the sexuality.the desires, expectations, myths, sex unconscious drives (pulsion) and more...
Maybe your wife teaching assistant expectations was too high! who knows, still very funny :lol:

and she is right :oops:

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:39 am**

IMO .... what a shame. 12 year olds have so many more important things to learn,
all your doing is making them more curious and showing them its okay to have sex
"as long you are prepared" how sad......

Ray

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:49 am**

RPM wrote:IMO .... what a shame. 12 year olds have so many more important things to learn,
all your doing is making them more curious and showing them its okay to have sex
"as long you are prepared" how sad......

Ray

I'd look to the parents and society in general. sex education at this age is in response to a social need.

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Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:49 am**

RPM wrote:IMO .... what a shame. 12 year olds have so many more important things to learn,
all your doing is making them more curious and showing them its okay to have sex
"as long you are prepared" how sad......

Ray

Yeah, the whole thing makes me a little squeamish. I see no problem with the biological/health science part of it, but twelve seems a little early for all the "technical" stuff.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:53 am**

I'd like to know if if the boys are being taught these things in school too.
They're the ones who should know how to do it.

Forgive me... I went to a catholic high school.... there's no WAY this kind of education was getting offered up. :lol:

They barely told us what a condom was, never mind the demonstrations.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:01 am**

Boys and girls learn sex ed. together in my 12 year old daughters public school. They learn EVERYTHING and all types of sex, and VD and pregnancy, everything... I had mixed feelings when my son went through it first, but I have since learned that it is a GOOD thing! It has opened communications I NEVER would have had with them I don't think. I would have never said half the things to them I have if they hadn't have asked me the very detailed questions they have. My 12 year old asked me last week when my husband walked out of the room "mommy what's an orgasm, it was on a question sheet and I missed that day in sex ed" :shock:

So I explained it all. And she gets a little embarrassed, but then she also knows she can come to me with anything now. And I also tell her how I feel about it all and my expectations of her, and the dangers of sex too young. So I see it as a good thing, even though it seems sad, because of innocense lost or something. But then there ARE girls having sex at 12 and younger sadly. She said there is a rumor a 12 year old in her class is pregnant. It IS happening. So why not prepare them and get a hold of them while they are still young enough to care what you think. My 2 cents :lol:

(and trust me, NONE of this was easy for me! My mom told me nothing! lol She cringes when I tell her about my conversations with my daughter :lol:

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Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:03 am**

RPM wrote:IMO .... what a shame. 12 year olds have so many more important things to learn,
all your doing is making them more curious and showing them its okay to have sex
"as long you are prepared" how sad......

Ray

well 12 years old is a age where most women get her first period and become a puberty sign...and sex curiosity begin already since early age, when the kids start ask how they were conceive or other cuestions about her mom or dad sex organs ..seem like sexuality involved all human being since always, altough i understand sexuality beyond genitality and i believe that this kind of teach in school are in the half of the way...i think they do this way because they try to face a reality, wich is that at early age young people have access to sex (with another person, films, news, propagand, internet..)and is good that they are better prepared to face it, but still these knowledge is not good enough in my perception.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:28 am**

You have to have sympathy for a parent bringing up daughters these days. Excuse the pun but girls are really getting a screwing these days. In my opinion, they are just being used and abused like never before.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:07 am**

Hope the teacher told the girls it's not 100% effective as birth control.

My oldest brother was a condom-conceived baby according to Mom. Of course, she didn't tell me this until I was in my thirties...never, ever mentioned sex to me when I was a youngster during the 60's.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:12 am**

walkslikealady wrote:Hope the teacher told the girls it's not 100% effective as birth control.

My oldest brother was a condom-conceived baby according to Mom. Of course, she didn't tell me this until I was in my thirties...never, ever mentioned sex to me when I was a youngster during the 60's.

Most everyone learns about sex from "that ole gang of mine."

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:17 am**

walkslikealady wrote:Hope the teacher told the girls it's not 100% effective as birth control.

My oldest brother was a condom-conceived baby according to Mom. Of course, she didn't tell me this until I was in my thirties...never, ever mentioned sex to me when I was a youngster during the 60's.

yes, they teach them that abstinence is the only 100%. They learn the exact statistics on all birth control. The kids are very aware of all statistics. It's very thorough, with teaching about VD's too.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:44 am**

one of my sister's...i can't remember which one...they were taught the whole condom on the cucumber thing. I am very lucky, i have had a very open relationship with my mother about sex ed.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:17 pm**

12 is not too young IMO, since I've had patients as young as 11 and pregnant. And like someone stated before, I totally agree girls are getting used more than ever before. But I have also realized that's mainly because girls don't seem to respect themselves much these days either.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:32 pm**

Melissa wrote:12 is not too young IMO, since I've had patients as young as 11 and pregnant. And like someone stated before, I totally agree girls are getting used more than ever before. But I have also realized that's mainly because girls don't seem to respect themselves much these days either.

Yes, self esteem issues are worse than ever and girls are meaner than ever. I can't BELIEVE the things 12 year old girls say to my daughter. They are weight obsessed and boy obsessed and it starts younger than 12 now.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:39 pm**

I wasn't taught sex education until 10th grade at my school which was basically worthless by this time because everybody already knew about what they were trying to teach us.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:32 pm**

StevePerryHair wrote:Boys and girls learn sex ed. together in my 12 year old daughters public school. They learn EVERYTHING and all types of sex, and VD and pregnancy, everything... I had mixed feelings when my son went through it first, but I have since learned that it is a GOOD thing! It has opened communications I NEVER would have had with them I don't think. I would have never said half the things to them I have if they hadn't have asked me the very detailed questions they have. My 12 year old asked me last week when my husband walked out of the room "mommy what's an orgasm, it was on a question sheet and I missed that day in sex ed" So I explained it all. And she gets a little embarrassed, but then she also knows she can come to me with anything now. And I also tell her how I feel about it all and my expectations of her, and the dangers of sex too young. So I see it as a good thing, even though it seems sad, because of innocense lost or something. But then there ARE girls having sex at 12 and younger sadly. She said there is a rumor a 12 year old in her class is pregnant. It IS happening. So why not prepare them and get a hold of them while they are still young enough to care what you think. My 2 cents (and trust me, NONE of this was easy for me! My mom told me nothing! lol She cringes when I tell her about my conversations with my daughter )

This is precisely why I have a problem with SexEd at this age.

One one hand, you talk about how good it is....on the other, you mention a 12 year old being prego!
Which piece of the cake do you want? You can't have both!

When I was growing up, the idea of a 12 year old being pregnant wasn't conceivable. It really wasnt. Yet these days, it's all in all possible.

If my son, who's now 6, ends up in sex ed classes at 12....I'll be the first parent to make a collosal stink about it. It is not some dumb, piece of shit primary education teacher's responsibility to teach my son about this...it's mine and my wife's. Thats IT!

Fucking Obama and all of the dem douchebags that came before him have ruined what used to be an innocent childhood....at 12, I was fucking playing video games, baseball, and street hockey....not fucking my classmates...
:roll:

WTF!

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:49 pm**

We had a one hour pow wow about the birds and the bees when I was in 5th grade (77/78 ). The school principle handled us boys in one class room and the school nurse handled the girls in another classroom. We watched a film, had a discussion and that was it until 7th grade, when we had the normal sex education courses.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:51 pm**

strangegrey wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:Boys and girls learn sex ed. together in my 12 year old daughters public school. They learn EVERYTHING and all types of sex, and VD and pregnancy, everything... I had mixed feelings when my son went through it first, but I have since learned that it is a GOOD thing! It has opened communications I NEVER would have had with them I don't think. I would have never said half the things to them I have if they hadn't have asked me the very detailed questions they have. My 12 year old asked me last week when my husband walked out of the room "mommy what's an orgasm, it was on a question sheet and I missed that day in sex ed" So I explained it all. And she gets a little embarrassed, but then she also knows she can come to me with anything now. And I also tell her how I feel about it all and my expectations of her, and the dangers of sex too young. So I see it as a good thing, even though it seems sad, because of innocense lost or something. But then there ARE girls having sex at 12 and younger sadly. She said there is a rumor a 12 year old in her class is pregnant. It IS happening. So why not prepare them and get a hold of them while they are still young enough to care what you think. My 2 cents (and trust me, NONE of this was easy for me! My mom told me nothing! lol She cringes when I tell her about my conversations with my daughter )

This is precisely why I have a problem with SexEd at this age.

One one hand, you talk about how good it is....on the other, you mention a 12 year old being prego!
Which piece of the cake do you want? You can't have both!

When I was growing up, the idea of a 12 year old being pregnant wasn't conceivable. It really wasnt. Yet these days, it's all in all possible.

If my son, who's now 6, ends up in sex ed classes at 12....I'll be the first parent to make a collosal stink about it. It is not some dumb, piece of shit primary education teacher's responsibility to teach my son about this...it's mine and my wife's. Thats IT!

Fucking Obama and all of the dem douchebags that came before him have ruined what used to be an innocent childhood....at 12, I was fucking playing video games, baseball, and street hockey....not fucking my classmates...

WTF!

You HONESTLY think that 12 year old had sex because of an education class? Please! The media, movies, tv ALL of it entices kids to want to be sexual. They don't learn about "lesbian like" dancing on each other to turn on the guys in sex ed, but guess what, the girls are doing it at parties! My daughter was embarrassed and wanted to leave when she saw her friends doing that. I know SO MANY people who are letting their kids see PG-13 movies at the age of 8 or some even younger and they are LEARNING things about sex that aren't even realisitic and thinking it will make them socially accepted to copy such behaviors. The age of 12 is when a child will still talk to mom and dad. The age of 15, which my son is, they become private. You HAVE to hit them at that age. The things they learned in school were brought home of the parents and we told them what we feel too. I want my daughter to come to me and talk to me and this opened the door for me. If they had not talked sex ed in school, I KNOW I would have avoided it for as long as I could have just like my mom. I want her to receive correct information, not crap she learns from her friends, that I know for sure. Kids are sexually aware at very young ages today, SADLY, but it does not come from sex ed. And my son got his ed. during the Bush years, so I have no idea what Obama has to do with any of this.

And just because you weren't "fucking your classmates" at 12, doesn't mean that no one else was :!:

And you can opt out of sex ed for your child. They don't force it on them. I assure you that innocense is lost way before 12 in this day and age though.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:51 pm**

bluejeangirl76 wrote:I'd like to know if if the boys are being taught these things in school too.
They're the ones who should know how to do it.

Forgive me... I went to a catholic high school.... there's no WAY this kind of education was getting offered up.
They barely told us what a condom was, never mind the demonstrations.

I also went to catholic school and the only thing they taught us about was what a period was. :lol:

My mom's way of teaching me was to give me a pamphlet and then she asked me if I had any questions. :oops:

Oh and she read me an article in the newspaper about a woman getting raped and then asked me if I knew what that word meant. :roll:

I learned a lot more when my friend Debbie and I found her 19 year old brother's porn stash in the attic :shock:

Now that was an education. :!:

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:52 pm**

Gunbot wrote:We had a one hour pow wow about the birds and the bees when I was in 5th grade (77/78 ). The school principle handled us boys in one class room and the school nurse handled the girls in another classroom. We watched a film, had a discussion and that was it until 7th grade, when we had the normal sex education courses.

Yes, 7th grade is 12. And maybe we should blame Obama you learned that at 12 back then too? :lol:

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:59 pm**

StevePerryHair wrote:
Gunbot wrote:We had a one hour pow wow about the birds and the bees when I was in 5th grade (77/78 ). The school principle handled us boys in one class room and the school nurse handled the girls in another classroom. We watched a film, had a discussion and that was it until 7th grade, when we had the normal sex education courses.

Yes, 7th grade is 12. And maybe we should blame Obama you learned that at 12 back then too?

At 18, I learned more in two hours from a Whorehouse in the Philippines then I did from all the courses in school combined.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:03 pm**

Gunbot wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Gunbot wrote:We had a one hour pow wow about the birds and the bees when I was in 5th grade (77/78 ). The school principle handled us boys in one class room and the school nurse handled the girls in another classroom. We watched a film, had a discussion and that was it until 7th grade, when we had the normal sex education courses.

Yes, 7th grade is 12. And maybe we should blame Obama you learned that at 12 back then too?

At 18, I learned more in two hours from a Whorehouse in the Philippines then I did from all the courses in school combined.

The difference would be the schools are teaching why NOT to do it, and the whorehouse kinda wasn't about that I bet

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:06 pm**

Peartree12249 wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:I'd like to know if if the boys are being taught these things in school too.
They're the ones who should know how to do it.

Forgive me... I went to a catholic high school.... there's no WAY this kind of education was getting offered up.
They barely told us what a condom was, never mind the demonstrations.

I also went to catholic school and the only thing they taught us about was what a period was. My mom's way of teaching me was to give me a pamphlet and then she asked me if I had any questions. Oh and she read me an article in the newspaper about a woman getting raped and then asked me if I knew what that word meant. I learned a lot more when my friend Debbie and I found her 19 year old brother's porn stash in the attic Now that was an education.

Speaking of rape, they teach the girls how to protect themselves from date rape, what it is, and not end up in situations like that. That's the thing, the education today is more thorough, teaching them the things that will protect them more than harm them. They learn more about diseases than most adults these days know. They need that fear!

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:14 pm**

12 year old girls putting condums on cuccumbers, that's weird and I would say uncalled for and not a proper way. There are better ways to teach them about this. When I was in school, they used diagrams that were more on the lines of medical charts. That's pretty much all you need to do. Now I sort of get an idea why there are so many teachers, both male and female getting busted having sex with their students. Cause they got all this type of sex activities going on in the class, being taught by pervs. It's just a question of time before one of these teachers is busted having intercourse for the class, teaching the students how babies are made. Just a question of time.

My wife (when she was just my girlfriend) was taking a sex ed class when she was in college, this wasn't that long ago, she was in school cause she was taking courses in America after coming from Japan. So she comes home one night and tells me that the professor teaching the class (an older man) gave the women a homework assignment that needed to be completed for the next class. Apparently, he asked them to get a little mirror and jack themselves off while looking at their pussy in the mirror. From what she told me, he was telling the women that their pussies change colors as it's getting closer to orgasm. I have no idea what educational information that would yeld, I'm pretty sure he had been smoking something before that class. When she told me what the assignment was, sarcastically I asked her if she was going to do it. She said no and I told her that it was the answer I was expecting from her. Obviously this dude was a perv. I have a feeling lots of these types of educators are pervs as well. Makes me want to just go down there and throw that fucker face first through a brick wall, see what colors he changes.

Posted: **Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:41 pm**

strangegrey wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:Boys and girls learn sex ed. together in my 12 year old daughters public school. They learn EVERYTHING and all types of sex, and VD and pregnancy, everything... I had mixed feelings when my son went through it first, but I have since learned that it is a GOOD thing! It has opened communications I NEVER would have had with them I don't think. I would have never said half the things to them I have if they hadn't have asked me the very detailed questions they have. My 12 year old asked me last week when my husband walked out of the room "mommy what's an orgasm, it was on a question sheet and I missed that day in sex ed" So I explained it all. And she gets a little embarrassed, but then she also knows she can come to me with anything now. And I also tell her how I feel about it all and my expectations of her, and the dangers of sex too young. So I see it as a good thing, even though it seems sad, because of innocense lost or something. But then there ARE girls having sex at 12 and younger sadly. She said there is a rumor a 12 year old in her class is pregnant. It IS happening. So why not prepare them and get a hold of them while they are still young enough to care what you think. My 2 cents (and trust me, NONE of this was easy for me! My mom told me nothing! lol She cringes when I tell her about my conversations with my daughter )

This is precisely why I have a problem with SexEd at this age.

One one hand, you talk about how good it is....on the other, you mention a 12 year old being prego!
Which piece of the cake do you want? You can't have both!

When I was growing up, the idea of a 12 year old being pregnant wasn't conceivable. It really wasnt. Yet these days, it's all in all possible.

If my son, who's now 6, ends up in sex ed classes at 12....I'll be the first parent to make a collosal stink about it. It is not some dumb, piece of shit primary education teacher's responsibility to teach my son about this...it's mine and my wife's. Thats IT!

Fucking Obama and all of the dem douchebags that came before him have ruined what used to be an innocent childhood....at 12, I was fucking playing video games, baseball, and street hockey....not fucking my classmates...

WTF!

It is sad but true, Frank. Maybe, that 12 year old whose pregnant, wouldn't be if she'd taken SexEd earlier. I have a beautiful 19 year old daughter now who I never had a problem with, between SexEd and knowing she could come to me about anything is probably why. The best advice I ever got, was "pick your battles". Don't go off on them when they ask or tell you something that you really don't want to hear. Take it in and then deal with it.

Not sure about each of them putting condoms on cucumbers. :shock:

From what I remember, I think the teacher just showed you how to unroll it at the front of the class. If we each would have been handed condoms to put on cucumbers at the age of 12, there would have been a heck of a lot more giggling then learning. :lol:

MR

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