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StoneCold wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0tMMYEkQU

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Rick wrote:They exercised extremely poor judgment when they pulled this off. No notification to the City of New York, at all.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Rick wrote:They exercised extremely poor judgment when they pulled this off. No notification to the City of New York, at all.

I just saw this literally 5 minutes ago on Good Morning America. Omg, how stupid!! Fly a big ass plane over the Statue of Liberty and Downtown NYC and don't tell anyone you're gonna do it? Good lord.

ebake02 wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Rick wrote:They exercised extremely poor judgment when they pulled this off. No notification to the City of New York, at all.

I just saw this literally 5 minutes ago on Good Morning America. Omg, how stupid!! Fly a big ass plane over the Statue of Liberty and Downtown NYC and don't tell anyone you're gonna do it? Good lord.

The F-16 escort probably didn't help a lot either .

lights1961 wrote:classic arrogance of leadership already in play, here. Can you imagine the media if Bush would have allowed this???? Holy ****.

R

Melissa wrote:Yeah this was pretty dumb. On the one hand I can see why they wouldn't want to advertise to the general public where AF1 would be and when, for obvious reasons with all the nutjobs in this world, but I also see where a jumbo jet being followed by a fighter jet would freak people out, esp. over NYC. And esp. for people who have no clue fighters fly with AF1.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Melissa wrote:Yeah this was pretty dumb. On the one hand I can see why they wouldn't want to advertise to the general public where AF1 would be and when, for obvious reasons with all the nutjobs in this world, but I also see where a jumbo jet being followed by a fighter jet would freak people out, esp. over NYC. And esp. for people who have no clue fighters fly with AF1.

Right... but they SHOULD have told the mayor/city officials, and they COULD have made a media announcement to let the people of NYC know that there would be a jet present for photographic reasons, or whatever they were doing, and yes it has permission to be there and the government is a aware, and left out the part that it would be Air Force One. But after something like 9/11, anyone in NYC (or any city for that matter) is certainly going to be alarmed as all hell by a big ass jet swooping into an area that big ass jets do not normally swoop!

I mean, SHEESH. How hard is it? Send a memo... "FYI: big ass jet gonna be buzzin' around Lady Liberty... don't worry, we're cool like a pool, baby, it's supposed to be there..."

kgdjpubs wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Melissa wrote:Yeah this was pretty dumb. On the one hand I can see why they wouldn't want to advertise to the general public where AF1 would be and when, for obvious reasons with all the nutjobs in this world, but I also see where a jumbo jet being followed by a fighter jet would freak people out, esp. over NYC. And esp. for people who have no clue fighters fly with AF1.

Right... but they SHOULD have told the mayor/city officials, and they COULD have made a media announcement to let the people of NYC know that there would be a jet present for photographic reasons, or whatever they were doing, and yes it has permission to be there and the government is a aware, and left out the part that it would be Air Force One. But after something like 9/11, anyone in NYC (or any city for that matter) is certainly going to be alarmed as all hell by a big ass jet swooping into an area that big ass jets do not normally swoop!

I mean, SHEESH. How hard is it? Send a memo... "FYI: big ass jet gonna be buzzin' around Lady Liberty... don't worry, we're cool like a pool, baby, it's supposed to be there..."

I can see it both ways, but if you have a big jet buzzing Chicago, it wouldn't be an issue. I know it may be somewhat callous to say this....but when you have the American people living in fear of a plane, the terrorists have already won.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Melissa wrote:Yeah this was pretty dumb. On the one hand I can see why they wouldn't want to advertise to the general public where AF1 would be and when, for obvious reasons with all the nutjobs in this world, but I also see where a jumbo jet being followed by a fighter jet would freak people out, esp. over NYC. And esp. for people who have no clue fighters fly with AF1.

Right... but they SHOULD have told the mayor/city officials, and they COULD have made a media announcement to let the people of NYC know that there would be a jet present for photographic reasons, or whatever they were doing, and yes it has permission to be there and the government is a aware, and left out the part that it would be Air Force One. But after something like 9/11, anyone in NYC (or any city for that matter) is certainly going to be alarmed as all hell by a big ass jet swooping into an area that big ass jets do not normally swoop!

I mean, SHEESH. How hard is it? Send a memo... "FYI: big ass jet gonna be buzzin' around Lady Liberty... don't worry, we're cool like a pool, baby, it's supposed to be there..."

Former CIA are saying that Air Force One may have been the target of a terrorist attack, and that's why the plane was spirited out of Washington.

What's Obama not telling us? So much for transparency, I guess.

StoneCold wrote:one of the comments

Former CIA are saying that Air Force One may have been the target of a terrorist attack, and that's why the plane was spirited out of Washington.

What's Obama not telling us? So much for transparency, I guess.

kgdjpubs wrote:I can see it both ways, but if you have a big jet buzzing Chicago, it wouldn't be an issue. I know it may be somewhat callous to say this....but when you have the American people living in fear of a plane, the terrorists have already won.

MCC620 wrote:

StoneCold wrote:one of the comments

Former CIA are saying that Air Force One may have been the target of a terrorist attack, and that's why the plane was spirited out of Washington.

What's Obama not telling us? So much for transparency, I guess.

so it was spirited over NYC?

morons

Gunbot wrote:Let's have a recall election and throw him out.

treetopovskaya wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/28/new-york-city-jet-flyover-photo-flop-triggers-recriminations/

"This is more than a lapse of judgment. This is complete stupidity in a time of economic crisis, wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars for publicity photos for Air Force One when you could have put that on your PC at home and done the same thing without that cost and disruption," Blakeman said.

exactly! }:C)

StoneCold wrote:

treetopovskaya wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/28/new-york-city-jet-flyover-photo-flop-triggers-recriminations/

"This is more than a lapse of judgment. This is complete stupidity in a time of economic crisis, wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars for publicity photos for Air Force One when you could have put that on your PC at home and done the same thing without that cost and disruption," Blakeman said.

exactly! }:C)

Guess they never heard about photoshop? Heck, MR peeps could even put a cat in there.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

StoneCold wrote:

treetopovskaya wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/28/new-york-city-jet-flyover-photo-flop-triggers-recriminations/

"This is more than a lapse of judgment. This is complete stupidity in a time of economic crisis, wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars for publicity photos for Air Force One when you could have put that on your PC at home and done the same thing without that cost and disruption," Blakeman said.

exactly! }:C)

Guess they never heard about photoshop? Heck, MR peeps could even put a cat in there.

I could make it so Steve Perry is flying the plane and the cat is chasing him in the fighter jet.

treetopovskaya wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/28/new-york-city-jet-flyover-photo-flop-triggers-recriminations/

"This is more than a lapse of judgment. This is complete stupidity in a time of economic crisis, wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars for publicity photos for Air Force One when you could have put that on your PC at home and done the same thing without that cost and disruption," Blakeman said.

exactly! }:C)

DrFU wrote:Okay, I'm mystified. Why does Air Force One NEED publicity?

Fact Finder wrote:

FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic

Threatened Federal Sanctions Against NYPD, Secret Service, FBI & Mayor's Office If Secret Ever Got Out

Furious Obama Apologizes: "It Will Never Happen Again"



A furious President Barack Obama ordered an internal review of Monday's low-flying photo op over the Statue of Liberty.

CBS 2 HD has discovered the feds will have plenty to question.

Federal officials knew that sending two fighter jets and Air Force One to buzz ground zero and Lady Liberty might set off nightmarish fears of a 9/11 replay, but they still ordered the photo-op kept secret from the public.

In a memo obtained by CBS 2 HD the Federal Aviation Administration's James Johnston said the agency was aware of "the possibility of public concern regarding DOD (Department of Defense) aircraft flying at low altitudes" in an around New York City. But they demanded total secrecy from the NYPD, the Secret Service, the FBI and even the mayor's office and threatened federal sanctions if the secret got out.

"To say that it should not be made public knowing that it might scare people it's just confounding," Sen. Charles Schumer said. "It's what gives Washington and government a bad name. It's sheer stupidity."

The flyover -- apparently ordered by the White House Office of Military Affairs so it would have souvenir photos of Air Force One with the Statue of Liberty in the background -- had President Obama seeing red. He ordered a probe and apologized.

"It was a mistake. It will never happen again," President Obama said.

The NYPD was so upset about the demand for secrecy that Police Commissioner Ray Kelly vowed never to follow such a directive again and he accused the feds of inciting fears of a 9/11 replay.

"Did it show any insensitivity to the psychic wounds New York City has after 9/11? Absolutely. No questions about it. It was quite insensitive."

The cost of the frivolous flight was about $60,000 an hour and that was just for Air Force One. That doesn't include the cost of the two F-16s that came along.

The mayoral aide who neglected to tell Mayor Michael Bloomberg about it was reprimanded.