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2001 Vegas. Augeri/Castronovo held their own on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeLxqWWC-mw

Um dude, that isn't 100% live. Those vocals are dubbed over.

I know, pisses me off every time I listen to it.
Deano, how much doctoring do you think they did on Revelation dvd. Some times you gotta wonder. Sounds pretty flawless.

Aint technology grand. I read somewhere recently about Neal being anti Pro Tools and Perry thought it gave an artist
more versatility, or something to that effect. Your average concert goer probably doesnt have a clue.
I have seen Leppard and Rush numerous times and it is amazing how they can pull off that "studio sound" so easliy.

Its all good.

Rockindeano wrote:Um dude, that isn't 100% live. Those vocals are dubbed over.

How much was it?

sonorstks wrote:I know, pisses me off every time I listen to it.
Deano, how much doctoring do think they did on Revelation dvd. Some times you gotta wonder. Sounds pretty flawless.

Aint technology grand. I read somewhere recently about Neal being anti Pro Tools and Perry thought it gave an artist
more versatility, or something to that effect. Your average concert goer probably doesnt have a clue.
I have seen Leppard and Rush numerous times and it is amazing how they can pull off that "studio sound" so easliy.

Its all good.

I can't speak to Revelations, because A) I don't know what they did, and B) Pineda is that good and C) I have yet to listen to it. I am sure they smoothed over some stuff as every band does, but this Vegas DVD is completely doctored. Fuck there were some songs they completely redid the vox.

I have no problem with Pro Tools in the studio. Perry was so good live he could pull off that record sound with a bit of live practice. Augeri on the other hand wasn't able to do that obviously. Some artists are better live than in studio, go figure.

Best part of the dvd. La Raza Del Sol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAVMY5ASXAc

Deen's passion for his craft is infectious, can just tell he digs what he does, love the first part of Separate Ways. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1a82QZBukg

Deb wrote:Best part of the dvd. La Raza Del Sol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAVMY5ASXAc

Deen's passion for his craft is infectious, can just tell he digs what he does, love the first part of Separate Ways. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1a82QZBukg

Thats the best song on that DVD

Rockindeano wrote:

sonorstks wrote:I know, pisses me off every time I listen to it.
Deano, how much doctoring do think they did on Revelation dvd. Some times you gotta wonder. Sounds pretty flawless.

Aint technology grand. I read somewhere recently about Neal being anti Pro Tools and Perry thought it gave an artist
more versatility, or something to that effect. Your average concert goer probably doesnt have a clue.
I have seen Leppard and Rush numerous times and it is amazing how they can pull off that "studio sound" so easliy.

Its all good.

I can't speak to Revelations, because A) I don't know what they did, and B) Pineda is that good and C) I have yet to listen to it. I am sure they smoothed over some stuff as every band does, but this Vegas DVD is completely doctored. Fuck there were some songs they completely redid the vox.

I have no problem with Pro Tools in the studio. Perry was so good live he could pull off that record sound with a bit of live practice. Augeri on the other hand wasn't able to do that obviously. Some artists are better live than in studio, go figure.

SP - could pull it off and that in itself is an accomplishment

Rockindeano wrote: I have yet to listen to it.

You need to give that Revelation dvd a spin. It is pretty amazing how he (Arnel ) was able to fine tune everything as fast as he did.
Compared to the youtubes of Chile his improvement was like night and day.

Looking forward to catching them next time thru Dallas.

stevew2 wrote:

Deb wrote:Best part of the dvd. La Raza Del Sol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAVMY5ASXAc

Deen's passion for his craft is infectious, can just tell he digs what he does, love the first part of Separate Ways. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1a82QZBukg

Thats the best song on that DVD

Know what gives the dub away? When they go into AWYWI from what I think was BGTY? Anyway, all 4 singing members were exactly on time. That never happens. Good ol Kevin Elson or Kevin Shirley, one of those two dumb dicks made the dub over too good. Those morons used the same tape on the Lipping Tour. Hell, guys, throw off the dogs with perhaps a different setlist/show/disc? I now think they wanted Augeri to be found out as to replace him. Fuck, I just convinced myself of a new theory. I amaze myself sometimes.

Rockindeano wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Deb wrote:Best part of the dvd. La Raza Del Sol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAVMY5ASXAc

Deen's passion for his craft is infectious, can just tell he digs what he does, love the first part of Separate Ways. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1a82QZBukg

Thats the best song on that DVD

Know what gives the dub away? When they go into AWYWI from what I think was BGTY? Anyway, all 4 singing members were exactly on time. That never happens. Good ol Kevin Elson or Kevin Shirley, one of those two dumb dicks made the dub over too good. Those morons used the same tape on the Lipping Tour. Hell, guys, throw off the dogs with perhaps a different setlist/show/disc? I now think they wanted Augeri to be found out as to replace him. Fuck, I just convinced myself of a new theory. I amaze myself sometimes.

Ill check it out i was going to put in the cd for a spell anyway,they are masters of trickery

There were no pro tools in the studio with Arnel, ever. He's a quick study. If that is really true, it's amazing, but that's their story and they're sticking to it. He also nailed most of the greatest hits on the first or second take....unheard of. Probably from his years of practice covering them.

steveo777 wrote:There were no pro tools in the studio with Arnel, ever. He's a quick study. If that is really true, it's amazing, but that's their story and they're sticking to it. He also nailed most of the greatest hits on the first or second take....unheard of. Probably from his years of practice covering them.

I'll bet you anything there was some enhanced help. You prove it was raw and I'll pet your balls.

You stupid sonofabitch, even Perry used some PT in studio. Arnel isn't that good.

Rockindeano wrote:

steveo777 wrote:There were no pro tools in the studio with Arnel, ever. He's a quick study. If that is really true, it's amazing, but that's their story and they're sticking to it. He also nailed most of the greatest hits on the first or second take....unheard of. Probably from his years of practice covering them.

I'll bet you anything there was some enhanced help. You prove it was raw and I'll pet your balls.

You stupid sonofabitch, even Perry used some PT in studio. Arnel isn't that good.

I agree, he has to have had some help.......

Rockindeano wrote:

steveo777 wrote:There were no pro tools in the studio with Arnel, ever. He's a quick study. If that is really true, it's amazing, but that's their story and they're sticking to it. He also nailed most of the greatest hits on the first or second take....unheard of. Probably from his years of practice covering them.

I'll bet you anything there was some enhanced help. You prove it was raw and I'll pet your balls.

You stupid sonofabitch, even Perry used some PT in studio. Arnel isn't that good.

First of all, there's no shame in using Pro Tools when it's used correctly. When it's used to make someone that obviously can't sing (cf. Britney Spears) sound like they can sing across 12 tracks, that's one thing. But using Pitch Correction strategically and comping vocals (which has been around since recording music began...) are no badges of shame. So you got a perfect vocal take minus one or two bad phrases, no shame in pitch correcting those. So you got a half perfect take of one half on one track and the other half is better on the other take... comp em, big deal, they've been doin that forever.

Unless you have access to the Pro Tools session files or you produced the album yourself, you really have no clue what was used or was not used, steveo.

And as far as "using Pro Tools" goes... well maybe I'm playing semantics here, but Pro Tools is a digital audio workshop. Nearly every one "uses" it to record the raw tracks... all the pitch stuff is done via plug-in...

Rockindeano wrote:

steveo777 wrote:There were no pro tools in the studio with Arnel, ever. He's a quick study. If that is really true, it's amazing, but that's their story and they're sticking to it. He also nailed most of the greatest hits on the first or second take....unheard of. Probably from his years of practice covering them.

I'll bet you anything there was some enhanced help. You prove it was raw and I'll pet your balls.

You stupid sonofabitch, even Perry used some PT in studio. Arnel isn't that good.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=41500

Guess you missed this.

Rockindeano wrote:

steveo777 wrote:There were no pro tools in the studio with Arnel, ever. He's a quick study. If that is really true, it's amazing, but that's their story and they're sticking to it. He also nailed most of the greatest hits on the first or second take....unheard of. Probably from his years of practice covering them.

I'll bet you anything there was some enhanced help. You prove it was raw and I'll pet your balls.

You stupid sonofabitch, even Perry used some PT in studio. Arnel isn't that good.

Are you calling NS a liar? In his interview in Guitar Player rag, he stated that no pro tools were used with Arnel.Don't you believe it?

amaron wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:

steveo777 wrote:There were no pro tools in the studio with Arnel, ever. He's a quick study. If that is really true, it's amazing, but that's their story and they're sticking to it. He also nailed most of the greatest hits on the first or second take....unheard of. Probably from his years of practice covering them.

I'll bet you anything there was some enhanced help. You prove it was raw and I'll pet your balls.

You stupid sonofabitch, even Perry used some PT in studio. Arnel isn't that good.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=41500

Guess you missed this.

Don't worry about me. I can handle myself around here. Deano's just being an ass, which is quite normal and expected around here. Bite me, Dean!

steveo777 wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:

steveo777 wrote:There were no pro tools in the studio with Arnel, ever. He's a quick study. If that is really true, it's amazing, but that's their story and they're sticking to it. He also nailed most of the greatest hits on the first or second take....unheard of. Probably from his years of practice covering them.

I'll bet you anything there was some enhanced help. You prove it was raw and I'll pet your balls.

You stupid sonofabitch, even Perry used some PT in studio. Arnel isn't that good.

Are you calling NS a liar? In his interview in Guitar Player rag, he stated that no pro tools were used with Arnel.Don't you believe it?

Now thats a loaded question....hmmmmmm NS a liar, I need to think about that one

They probably had to tweak it just for Arnel's accent alone. The guy just steps off the boat and you're going to tell me he sang NWA, AATY, etc. perfectly without any help, on a rushed schedule, with a cold? Arnel'a a great singer but that is quite unbelievable to me that Shirley didn't touch anything.
As far as the question if Neal is telling the truth, when you let your band lipsync to a paying audience who think they are getting a live vocal performance, your integrity (along with everyone else involved) will always be in question after that deceit.

Gunbot wrote:They probably had to tweak it just for Arnel's accent alone. The guy just steps off the boat and you're going to tell me he sang NWA, AATY, etc. perfectly without any help, on a rushed schedule, with a cold? Arnel'a a great singer but that is quite unbelievable to me that Shirley didn't touch anything.
As far as the question if Neal is telling the truth, when you let your band lipsync to a paying audience who think they are getting a live vocal performance, your integrity (along with everyone else involved) will always be in question after that deceit.

+1

Gunbot wrote:They probably had to tweak it just for Arnel's accent alone. The guy just steps off the boat and you're going to tell me he sang NWA, AATY, etc. perfectly without any help, on a rushed schedule, with a cold? Arnel'a a great singer but that is quite unbelievable to me that Shirley didn't touch anything.
As far as the question if Neal is telling the truth, when you let your band lipsync to a paying audience who think they are getting a live vocal performance, your integrity (along with everyone else involved) will always be in question after that deceit.

99% of the world doesn't even know about that and half of the remaining 1% has moved on.

steveo777 wrote:
Are you calling NS a liar? In his interview in Guitar Player rag, he stated that no pro tools were used with Arnel.Don't you believe it?

All he does is lie. The guy lies more than a welcome mat.

Saint John wrote:

Gunbot wrote:They probably had to tweak it just for Arnel's accent alone. The guy just steps off the boat and you're going to tell me he sang NWA, AATY, etc. perfectly without any help, on a rushed schedule, with a cold? Arnel'a a great singer but that is quite unbelievable to me that Shirley didn't touch anything.
As far as the question if Neal is telling the truth, when you let your band lipsync to a paying audience who think they are getting a live vocal performance, your integrity (along with everyone else involved) will always be in question after that deceit.

99% of the world doesn't even know about that and half of the remaining 1% has moved on.

Doesn't matter. Gunbot is 100% correct, regardless of how many people know what happened.

amaron wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:

steveo777 wrote:There were no pro tools in the studio with Arnel, ever. He's a quick study. If that is really true, it's amazing, but that's their story and they're sticking to it. He also nailed most of the greatest hits on the first or second take....unheard of. Probably from his years of practice covering them.

I'll bet you anything there was some enhanced help. You prove it was raw and I'll pet your balls.

You stupid sonofabitch, even Perry used some PT in studio. Arnel isn't that good.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=41500

Guess you missed this.

No, I read it, just chose not to accept it.

Saint John wrote:

Gunbot wrote:They probably had to tweak it just for Arnel's accent alone. The guy just steps off the boat and you're going to tell me he sang NWA, AATY, etc. perfectly without any help, on a rushed schedule, with a cold? Arnel'a a great singer but that is quite unbelievable to me that Shirley didn't touch anything.
As far as the question if Neal is telling the truth, when you let your band lipsync to a paying audience who think they are getting a live vocal performance, your integrity (along with everyone else involved) will always be in question after that deceit.

99% of the world doesn't even know about that and half of the remaining 1% has moved on.

I know that, just saying that none of them (From Herbie, Perry and Neal on down) have halos when it comes to telling the absolute truth about anything.

Pro Tools 1st came out in 1989... then called "Sound Tools"...

...Street Talk and FLOTSM may have some Pro Tools editing, BUT I DOUBT IT... cause Pro Tools at the time was extremely primitive... in other words, it was simply easier and faster to do it "the old way"....

... and pitch technology (re: Autotune) really didn't come out till much later...

bottom line, all SP Journey era (and most likely later) stuff is recorded to tape "live".. and overdubbed "live"... no copy & paste, and correct pitch via computer, because the technology was still pretty much non-existent then.

Now - Pro Tools is pretty much the recording industry standard. As is drum sample replacement, and vocal and instrument pitch correction...that's why and how everything nowadays sounds so "perfect"... because the recorded tracks can be edited and affected in the same manner your kid edits a Word document. It gives the artist an infinite creative palette, and non-artists (producers, labels)a much finer brush with which to hide flaws and sell songs.

Its been a "new world" in music recording technology for 15 plus years now... most of what you hear is not 1st take... its many takes that are layered and reworked to perfection, which in many cases means sterile and lifeless... but its happened so slowly that most average listeners wouldn't recognize the difference anymore...

slucero wrote:Pro Tools 1st came out in 1989... then called "Sound Tools"...

...Street Talk and FLOTSM may have some Pro Tools editing, BUT I DOUBT IT... cause Pro Tools at the time was extremely primitive... in other words, it was simply easier and faster to do it "the old way"....

... and pitch technology (re: Autotune) really didn't come out till much later...

bottom line, all SP Journey era (and most likely later) stuff is recorded to tape "live".. and overdubbed "live"... no copy & paste, and correct pitch via computer, because the technology was still pretty much non-existent then.

Now - Pro Tools is pretty much the recording industry standard. As is drum sample replacement, and vocal and instrument pitch correction...that's why and how everything nowadays sounds so "perfect"... because the recorded tracks can be edited and affected in the same manner your kid edits a Word document. It gives the artist an infinite creative palette, and non-artists (producers, labels)a much finer brush with which to hide flaws and sell songs.

Its been a "new world" in music recording technology for 15 plus years now... most of what you hear is not 1st take... its many takes that are layered and reworked to perfection, which in many cases means sterile and lifeless... but its happened so slowly that most average listeners wouldn't recognize the difference anymore...

I don't care if he uses a hammer, screwdriver and a harp.....just record something already!

portland wrote:

slucero wrote:Pro Tools 1st came out in 1989... then called "Sound Tools"...

...Street Talk and FLOTSM may have some Pro Tools editing, BUT I DOUBT IT... cause Pro Tools at the time was extremely primitive... in other words, it was simply easier and faster to do it "the old way"....

... and pitch technology (re: Autotune) really didn't come out till much later...

bottom line, all SP Journey era (and most likely later) stuff is recorded to tape "live".. and overdubbed "live"... no copy & paste, and correct pitch via computer, because the technology was still pretty much non-existent then.

Now - Pro Tools is pretty much the recording industry standard. As is drum sample replacement, and vocal and instrument pitch correction...that's why and how everything nowadays sounds so "perfect"... because the recorded tracks can be edited and affected in the same manner your kid edits a Word document. It gives the artist an infinite creative palette, and non-artists (producers, labels)a much finer brush with which to hide flaws and sell songs.

Its been a "new world" in music recording technology for 15 plus years now... most of what you hear is not 1st take... its many takes that are layered and reworked to perfection, which in many cases means sterile and lifeless... but its happened so slowly that most average listeners wouldn't recognize the difference anymore...

I don't care if he uses a hammer, screwdriver and a harp.....just record something already!

LOL... THAT I agree with!

portland wrote:

slucero wrote:Pro Tools 1st came out in 1989... then called "Sound Tools"...

...Street Talk and FLOTSM may have some Pro Tools editing, BUT I DOUBT IT... cause Pro Tools at the time was extremely primitive... in other words, it was simply easier and faster to do it "the old way"....

... and pitch technology (re: Autotune) really didn't come out till much later...

bottom line, all SP Journey era (and most likely later) stuff is recorded to tape "live".. and overdubbed "live"... no copy & paste, and correct pitch via computer, because the technology was still pretty much non-existent then.

Now - Pro Tools is pretty much the recording industry standard. As is drum sample replacement, and vocal and instrument pitch correction...that's why and how everything nowadays sounds so "perfect"... because the recorded tracks can be edited and affected in the same manner your kid edits a Word document. It gives the artist an infinite creative palette, and non-artists (producers, labels)a much finer brush with which to hide flaws and sell songs.

Its been a "new world" in music recording technology for 15 plus years now... most of what you hear is not 1st take... its many takes that are layered and reworked to perfection, which in many cases means sterile and lifeless... but its happened so slowly that most average listeners wouldn't recognize the difference anymore...

I don't care if he uses a hammer, screwdriver and a harp.....just record something already!

How about if he farted?

stevew2 wrote:

portland wrote:

slucero wrote:Pro Tools 1st came out in 1989... then called "Sound Tools"...

...Street Talk and FLOTSM may have some Pro Tools editing, BUT I DOUBT IT... cause Pro Tools at the time was extremely primitive... in other words, it was simply easier and faster to do it "the old way"....

... and pitch technology (re: Autotune) really didn't come out till much later...

bottom line, all SP Journey era (and most likely later) stuff is recorded to tape "live".. and overdubbed "live"... no copy & paste, and correct pitch via computer, because the technology was still pretty much non-existent then.

Now - Pro Tools is pretty much the recording industry standard. As is drum sample replacement, and vocal and instrument pitch correction...that's why and how everything nowadays sounds so "perfect"... because the recorded tracks can be edited and affected in the same manner your kid edits a Word document. It gives the artist an infinite creative palette, and non-artists (producers, labels)a much finer brush with which to hide flaws and sell songs.

Its been a "new world" in music recording technology for 15 plus years now... most of what you hear is not 1st take... its many takes that are layered and reworked to perfection, which in many cases means sterile and lifeless... but its happened so slowly that most average listeners wouldn't recognize the difference anymore...

I don't care if he uses a hammer, screwdriver and a harp.....just record something already!

How about if he farted?

Well if it helps, who cares, you really are sick