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It seems like greater fame and respect from the masses and the record companies always eludes Gregg Rolie. And I don't understand why. Who got all the fame in Santana? Santana, but it was Gregg Rolie's idea to record "Black Magic Woman" and it's him singing the song- yet everyone acts like he doesn't exist. Who got all the fame in Journey? Steve Perry, but Gregg left of his own free will, provided his own replacement, only to find out that lightning (starting an iconic band) may strike twice, but it's unlikely to strike thrice.

Here's his own words on how Journey got it's record contract.

“I was up in Seattle with a restaurant with my Dad and I really quit the music business and we were running this restaurant and thank God somebody called. Herbie (Herbert) and Neal (Schon) called me up and said, “What are you doing, we’re starting a band up.” And I said, “I’m not doing anything.” And so I thought I’d give it a shot. What I was told is that we were going to be The Golden Gate Rhythm Section and it was going to be a band for people that came through town or whatever. And within a week we were writing our own material. Which would have been normal for all of us and doing our own songs. And it was a band and then it took off.

Santana was a phenomena and everything kind of fell in place for us, it was amazing. And Journey was a work of art; it was a lot of work. We had to build it. We ended up signing to Columbia because they wouldn’t let me off my contract through Santana.”


So what happened next after you left Journey?

“I hadn’t played for a couple of years just noodled around in the house and stuff, I had no plans and then I did the solo album. And then I realized how hard that was. It was an interesting turn of events.”

Here he talks about how he was disrespected by Columbia.

Your first solo effort Gregg Rolie (1985) had some great artists performing on it- Carlos Santana, Peter Wolf (The J.Geils Band), ex bandmate Neil Schon and Craig Chaquico(The Jefferson Starship).

“In fact they did a trade of solos on a song called “Fire at Night” that’s still stunning. That song was about 7 or 8 minutes long and was getting airplay in the Midwest, St Louis I believe… and heavy airplay. But Columbia pulled the plug on it. The reason why and I understand this from the business aspect, why would they want to make me compete with Santana and Journey when they already had them. Why would they spend the money to further my career when they’ve got two bands that are doing that? And even though Neal and Carlos were on there… to my way of thinking it would have furthered their career as well and kept that whole thing going. But that’s not the way they see that and I understand that. They showed them and I was lucky to get the jackets printed. But that’s the record company you know?”


Gregg Rolie with Neal Schon & Carlos Santana "Fire At Night".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_ac_Gdrpfc

http://www.examiner.com/article/santana-and-journey-original-lead-singer-gregg-rolie-speaks-with-ray-shasho

Columbia Records didn't want to corner the market on Santana/Journey since they already had it. And they must not have thought he was worth the investment and that if he went somewhere else that he wouldn't be able to compete with either one of them. Which is what happened with The Storm. What I'm wondering is during his first 2 solo albums- did Gregg ever make an music videos?

I did not know that Rolie's first band William Penn & His Pals ever recorded anything.

But here's "Far & Away".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=388P8RJcR6U

And "Swami".

http://rockasteria.blogspot.com/2012/07/william-penn-and-his-pals-william-penn.html

Here's someone else wondering why Gregg Rolie's so obscure. How can you be in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame and still be unfamous?

http://www.coneysrockmachine.com/greggroliecorner.htm

Its not just Greg... lots of musicians got shafted by their labels....

and Greg's had a great career, one most musicians would die for..... Santana (1966-1972), Journey (1973 – 1980), Ringo Starr & His All-Starr Band, playing at Woodstock.. and he's already in the HOF...

Final Frontiers wrote:It seems like greater fame and respect from the masses and the record companies always eludes Gregg Rolie. And I don't understand why. Who got all the fame in Santana? Santana, but it was Gregg Rolie's idea to record "Black Magic Woman" and it's him singing the song- yet everyone acts like he doesn't exist. Who got all the fame in Journey? Steve Perry, but Gregg left of his own free will, provided his own replacement, only to find out that lightning (starting an iconic band) may strike twice, but it's unlikely to strike thrice.

Here's his own words on how Journey got it's record contract.

“I was up in Seattle with a restaurant with my Dad and I really quit the music business and we were running this restaurant and thank God somebody called. Herbie (Herbert) and Neal (Schon) called me up and said, “What are you doing, we’re starting a band up.” And I said, “I’m not doing anything.” And so I thought I’d give it a shot. What I was told is that we were going to be The Golden Gate Rhythm Section and it was going to be a band for people that came through town or whatever. And within a week we were writing our own material. Which would have been normal for all of us and doing our own songs. And it was a band and then it took off.

Santana was a phenomena and everything kind of fell in place for us, it was amazing. And Journey was a work of art; it was a lot of work. We had to build it. We ended up signing to Columbia because they wouldn’t let me off my contract through Santana.”


So what happened next after you left Journey?

“I hadn’t played for a couple of years just noodled around in the house and stuff, I had no plans and then I did the solo album. And then I realized how hard that was. It was an interesting turn of events.”

Here he talks about how he was disrespected by Columbia.

Your first solo effort Gregg Rolie (1985) had some great artists performing on it- Carlos Santana, Peter Wolf (The J.Geils Band), ex bandmate Neil Schon and Craig Chaquico(The Jefferson Starship).

“In fact they did a trade of solos on a song called “Fire at Night” that’s still stunning. That song was about 7 or 8 minutes long and was getting airplay in the Midwest, St Louis I believe… and heavy airplay. But Columbia pulled the plug on it. The reason why and I understand this from the business aspect, why would they want to make me compete with Santana and Journey when they already had them. Why would they spend the money to further my career when they’ve got two bands that are doing that? And even though Neal and Carlos were on there… to my way of thinking it would have furthered their career as well and kept that whole thing going. But that’s not the way they see that and I understand that. They showed them and I was lucky to get the jackets printed. But that’s the record company you know?”


Gregg Rolie with Neal Schon & Carlos Santana "Fire At Night".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_ac_Gdrpfc

http://www.examiner.com/article/santana-and-journey-original-lead-singer-gregg-rolie-speaks-with-ray-shasho

Columbia Records didn't want to corner the market on Santana/Journey since they already had it. And they must not have thought he was worth the investment and that if he went somewhere else that he wouldn't be able to compete with either one of them. Which is what happened with The Storm. What I'm wondering is during his first 2 solo albums- did Gregg ever make an music videos?

I did not know that Rolie's first band William Penn & His Pals ever recorded anything.

But here's "Far & Away".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=388P8RJcR6U

And "Swami".

http://rockasteria.blogspot.com/2012/07/william-penn-and-his-pals-william-penn.html

Here's someone else wondering why Gregg Rolie's so obscure. How can you be in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame and still be unfamous?

http://www.coneysrockmachine.com/greggroliecorner.htm

Sony did not promote Steve Perry's solo career either and his "Street Talk" went multi-platinum and "FTLOSM" went gold, and they crapped his "Against the Wall" solo effort, prior "FTLOSM." Journey never sold anything much with Greg as lead, that's why they were about to be kicked out along with that Herbie, (that TNC heralds as their savior) who did squat with them from 1973-78, prior Steve Perry. If that is Grey's sayings in that interview, he is sounding kinda blaming/cranky. In a Joe Benson interview, SP was asked of his and Gregg's relationship and SP spoke of their being friends at first, but somehow rivalry seem to set in, something to that effect. Would you say that Greg seemed bitter that Steve Perry was doing most of the vocals. Greg's attitude in Santana may have been similar, for I think I read somewhere Greg saying that Santana did not want him at the RRHOF induction, but don't quote me.

It is understandable why Steve Perry left and ignores all those guys. They wanted to make it own their own jam band cred that could not deliver the goods. Then, they were bitter at Perry for delivering and garnering the spotlight that SP never wanted. You know that SP guy that would on stage turn his back trying to throw the spotlight to the band including that cocky, arrogant, greedy, spotlight craving guitar player.

I see Gregg tours with Ringo's band and saw pics of Steve Lukather killing it on guitar, but thought, no mention of Gregg. And looky here:

http://somethingelsereviews.com/2014/01 ... r-grammys/
'I'm deeply honored': Toto's Steve Lukather to join Ringo Starr for ...
Something Else! Reviews-Jan 7, 2014
To paraphrase a Fab Four favorite, it's getting better all the time for Beatles nut Steve Lukather. He's already performed with Paul McCartney, ...

Guess Greg and Neal both are trying to ride on Santana's coattail, and Santana may want to ride on the "homeless former bandmate" story coattail. Hope Steve Perry is enjoying his retirement, for they won't be riding on his coattail.

Korn.. what the fuck did your comment have to do with Greg Rolie, other than to also not give him any respect...??

I personally prefer the Rolie era Journey over the Cain. I lived on the first 3 Perry-less albums for a few years. As far as the Perry/Journey Albums, EVOLUTION is still my favorite of all.

I agree, Rolie gets no props when Journey or Santana is concerned. And its a freaking shame.

slucero wrote:Korn.. what the fuck did your comment have to do with Greg Rolie, other than to also not give him any respect...??

Just keeping in tune with the topic. Why is he griping, for Sony did not promote Steve Perry who saved the band so why would they want to promote Gregg who could not sell squat. Steve Perry seemed to not have craved the spotlight, and I think Steve Smith is the only one that has not said disparaging things about SP.

Slucero "...what [does your avi] have to do with [decency]...??"
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RSParker wrote:I personally prefer the Rolie era Journey over the Cain. I lived on the first 3 Perry-less albums for a few years. As far as the Perry/Journey Albums, EVOLUTION is still my favorite of all.

Yep, "EVOLUTION" is a very good one!

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Korn.. what the fuck did your comment have to do with Greg Rolie, other than to also not give him any respect...??

Just keeping in tune with the topic. Why is he griping, for Sony did not promote Steve Perry who saved the band so why would they want to promote Gregg who could not sell squat. Steve Perry seemed to not have craved the spotlight, and I think Steve Smith is the only one that has not said disparaging things about SP.

Slucero "...what [does your avi] have to do with [decency]...??"

I think the topic was pretty straightforward, what you called "griping" is just with Rolie simply acknowledging that "that's how the industry works"...

Your post makes/paints Rolie look like some sort of ingrate.. and that he's being blacklisted for some reason.. which isn't the case..

We're both Perry fanatics.. but there's no reason to throw Rolie under the bus.. he left with grace, and has maintained that always.

And regarding my avatar... if you can't appreciate a decent ass... that's your problem....

slucero wrote:

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Korn.. what the fuck did your comment have to do with Greg Rolie, other than to also not give him any respect...??

Just keeping in tune with the topic. Why is he griping, for Sony did not promote Steve Perry who saved the band so why would they want to promote Gregg who could not sell squat. Steve Perry seemed to not have craved the spotlight, and I think Steve Smith is the only one that has not said disparaging things about SP.

Slucero "...what [does your avi] have to do with [decency]...??"

I think the topic was pretty straightforward, what you called "griping" is just with Rolie simply acknowledging that "that's how the industry works"...

Your post makes/paints Rolie look like some sort of ingrate.. and that he's being blacklisted for some reason.. which isn't the case..

We're both Perry fanatics.. but there's no reason to throw Rolie under the bus.. he left with grace, and has maintained that always.

And regarding my avatar... if you can't appreciate a decent ass... that's your problem....

Nope, no "appreciate" pathetic.

Like I said, Greg is bitter and griping, and the post in SP forum should solidify that claim.

Greg Rolie "I dont think Steve Perry liked me singing"
by jrny84 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:36 pm

Kor'n wrote:Greg Rolie "I dont think Steve Perry liked me singing"
by jrny84 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:36 pm

Probably true. Why do you have a problem with Rolie speaking his mind? He lived it.

Kor'n wrote:Nope, no "appreciate" pathetic.

..or maybe it's just that your ass is now bigger than a fucking bus..

Kor'n wrote:Like I said, Greg is bitter and griping, and the post in SP forum should solidify that claim.

Greg Rolie "I dont think Steve Perry liked me singing"
by jrny84 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:36 pm

So what that Greg is a little bitter and gripes a bit..


Perry didn't think Neal liked Faithfully.. and that's on the BTM documentary... think Perry was a little pissy about that?
Perry FIRED Ross and Smitty, think they were a bit pissed at Perry for that?
Perry prolly wasn't too thrilled with Neal for his "fuck him" comment..
Cain is surely sore at Neal for standing his ground on the Eclipse debacle..

All of these motherfuckers have something with each other to be bitter and gripe about..


Every single person on this forum would be thrilled to hear ONE new Perry song... and the likely-hood of that happening is MUCH higher than Perry rejoining Journey..

Every convo you post in you paint Perry as some angel. which he most certainly never was..

Seriously, get over it, and yourself.

Perry's never coming back... regardless how much any of us want it.

IMO, Gregg has never been one who sought it out either. I have never seen or heard an interview with Gregg where he sounded 'bitter' or arrogant or felt he was someone special who deserved more. In fact, he is very humble and 'matter of fact', and I think he's thankful for all of the music that he has been able to create and perform. It seems to me that he is very grounded and knows what is important to him and keeps his focus on that.

I saw him in concert a few years ago...and he DOES have this star 'aura' about him. But, it's not all about him...it's about everybody else, the rest of the band, and the audience, and YOU. At the start, he was mingling with the crowd, chatting with some people he seemed to know...but he may not have, because that's just him...a 'regular guy' who happens to have a fantastic music career. He made himself so accessible, I could have said, "hi', and had a conversation, but i resisted. At the end, he encouraged everybody to come as close as they could to the stage, some people were less then a few feet away. He made the entire audience feel like part of the band and concert. An incredible performer and entertainer, and person.

THAT is Gregg Rolie...a person thankful for his life in music and is still willing to share it with an audience...not some bitter old man who wishes he had more fame and fortune. That is so ridiculous that is speaks more about the character of the person making the attack then ever could about Gregg Rolie.

BTW, here is the full context of that quote (pulled from another post in the Perry forum)...just think it's important to clarify the context to get full reality of what Gregg said:

Rock Cellar Magazine: After Infinity, your role as writer/lead singer was lessened considerably, how did you reconcile that? Is that what led you to ultimately leave the band?

Gregg Rolie: I always wanted to sing a song or two, a couple would have been nice but then it got less and less. I don’t think Perry liked me singing. It was never discussed but I really think that’s what was happening. But he was the lead singer. My point about all of that is the Beatles did great with four singers. Why not? I liked when we sang and traded off of each other. I would have loved to have done more, but you get tired of hearing one voice. I know that I do. So hearing someone else sing adds another flavor and makes it more interesting. That didn’t have anything to do with my leaving the band; it was more personal than anything. I built two bands, I’d been on the road for all my life up until then and I was done. I wanted to start a family and didn’t want to do it from the road. And that was it. I’d really had it. I’m glad I did it and making that family is my best work so far. I have a great family; I have two wonderful kids and a beautiful wife and couldn’t be happier about it.

Forward it to 57.00 mins..listen to Gregg's own words ref SP...

Gregg Rolie & Alan Haynes March 2012 NYC

http://youtu.be/1jNhRKagmzY

Monker wrote:IMO, Gregg has never been one who sought it out either. I have never seen or heard an interview with Gregg where he sounded 'bitter' or arrogant or felt he was someone special who deserved more. In fact, he is very humble and 'matter of fact', and I think he's thankful for all of the music that he has been able to create and perform. It seems to me that he is very grounded and knows what is important to him and keeps his focus on that.

I saw him in concert a few years ago...and he DOES have this star 'aura' about him. But, it's not all about him...it's about everybody else, the rest of the band, and the audience, and YOU. At the start, he was mingling with the crowd, chatting with some people he seemed to know...but he may not have, because that's just him...a 'regular guy' who happens to have a fantastic music career. He made himself so accessible, I could have said, "hi', and had a conversation, but i resisted. At the end, he encouraged everybody to come as close as they could to the stage, some people were less then a few feet away. He made the entire audience feel like part of the band and concert. An incredible performer and entertainer, and person.

THAT is Gregg Rolie...a person thankful for his life in music and is still willing to share it with an audience...not some bitter old man who wishes he had more fame and fortune. That is so ridiculous that is speaks more about the character of the person making the attack then ever could about Gregg Rolie.

I saw what you saw as well in Santa Cruz. I actually have dealt with him via email at work and he was really cool. I mentioned I enjoyed his show in Santa Cruz and he was very nice .

tater1977 wrote:Forward it to 57.00 mins..listen to Gregg's own words ref SP...

Gregg Rolie & Alan Haynes March 2012 NYC

http://youtu.be/1jNhRKagmzY

not an ounce of bitterness in his voice...


what say ye Korn-hole?

Magic...miss it

Just The Same Way STEVE PERRY & GREGG ROLIE Journey

http://youtu.be/lfeTbOvGSuA

tater1977 wrote:Magic...miss it

Just The Same Way STEVE PERRY & GREGG ROLIE Journey

http://youtu.be/lfeTbOvGSuA

JTSW has always been a fave of mine. Just love the contrast of their vocals together! Thanks.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Kor'n wrote:Greg Rolie "I dont think Steve Perry liked me singing"
by jrny84 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:36 pm

Probably true. Why do you have a problem with Rolie speaking his mind? He lived it.

Just don't know what to make of those guys, just intent on maligning Steve Perry, who has not been in the band or around them for years. Greg and Neal started the band so if Greg was not singing more it is because NO ONE else "liked" or wanted him singing more. He had three albums to deliver the goods and he FAILED. I guess they have nothing else about which they may talk. Hey Greg, how is it touring with Ringo. Guess he's bitter that Steve Lukather might be joining Ringo at Grammy, and he, Greg, would never be. SP was the top dog and they, Greg, Neal (PPV guy) and Journey are pretty much "dead in the water," so guess they would still be dredging up SP for whatever publicity they might garner.

Hopefully, Steve Perry will continue ignoring their every existence. They are nothing but deadbeat trouble.

Kor'n wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Kor'n wrote:Greg Rolie "I dont think Steve Perry liked me singing"
by jrny84 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:36 pm

Probably true. Why do you have a problem with Rolie speaking his mind? He lived it.

Just don't know what to make of those guys, just intent on maligning Steve Perry, who has not been in the band or around them for years. Greg and Neal started the band so if Greg was not singing more it is because NO ONE else "liked" or wanted him singing more. He had three albums to deliver the goods and he FAILED. I guess they have nothing else about which they may talk. Hey Greg, how is it touring with Ringo. Guess he's bitter that Steve Lukather might be joining Ringo at Grammy, and he, Greg, would never be. SP was the top dog and they, Greg, Neal (PPV guy) and Journey are pretty much "dead in the water," so guess they would still be dredging up SP for whatever publicity they might garner.


Hopefully, Steve Perry will continue ignoring their every existence. They are nothing but deadbeat trouble.

Wow - you win the internet today...

Tally up and compare the musical life of Mr. Rolie and Mr. Perry... After founding Santana... and post Journey, Greg's been in The Storm, Abraxas Pool, Ringo and tours regularly as a solo act. He's in the Rock HOF... And he's had a family and is happily still playing... So let's review...

Rolie:
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? CHECK
Rock HOF? CHECK
Still performing? CHECK
Family? CHECK

Perry
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? NOPE
Rock HOF? NOPE
Still performing? NOPE
Family? NOPE

What the fuck has Perry done?..............NADA......ZILCH.

Perry's ONLY claim to fame is Journey, and you fail to see that he still clings to that fame by continuing to bait dumb asses like you with the "I'm always thinking about touring" or "I miss singing" or "I'm building a studio"...

Rolie and Perry both left Journey to "have a life" (both have said so in print).. and by comparison Rolie has been much more successful at it than Perry, who has only been successful at being a recluse.

Face it. Perry is happy and retired. Greg is happy and making music.


The only one who is "bitter" is YOU.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Kor'n wrote:Greg Rolie "I dont think Steve Perry liked me singing"
by jrny84 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:36 pm

Probably true. Why do you have a problem with Rolie speaking his mind? He lived it.

slucero wrote:

Kor'n wrote:Just don't know what to make of those guys, just intent on maligning Steve Perry, who has not been in the band or around them for years. Greg and Neal started the band so if Greg was not singing more it is because NO ONE else "liked" or wanted him singing more. He had three albums to deliver the goods and he FAILED. I guess they have nothing else about which they may talk. Hey Greg, how is it touring with Ringo. Guess he's bitter that Steve Lukather might be joining Ringo at Grammy, and he, Greg, would never be. SP was the top dog and they, Greg, Neal (PPV guy) and Journey are pretty much "dead in the water," so guess they would still be dredging up SP for whatever publicity they might garner.

Hopefully, Steve Perry will continue ignoring their every existence. They are nothing but deadbeat trouble.

Wow - you win the internet today...

Tally up and compare the musical life of Mr. Rolie and Mr. Perry... After founding Santana... and post Journey, Greg's been in The Storm, Abraxas Pool, Ringo and tours regularly as a solo act. He's in the Rock HOF... And he's had a family and is happily still playing... So let's review...

Rolie:
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? CHECK
Rock HOF? CHECK
Still performing? CHECK
Family? CHECK

Yep, but the title of thread is "Why Is Gregg Rolie Always Disrespected?" so guess all that not register high on the "richter scale." Maybe when the next earthquake comes, it may blow him some respect. And, about whom is he still talking now "Don't think Steve Perry wanted me to sing." Too bad, blab, blab.....blab...

slucero wrote:Perry
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? NOPE
Rock HOF? NOPE
Still performing? NOPE
Family? NOPE

Enjoying the things he enjoys most....and collecting royalties from his hardwork while others ape him or bitterly bicker about him, as he ignores their every existence.....

"There is more to life than singing and touring." 9/2013 SP

"Home, it a feeling you can't explain, you miss but you become callous."' 1980/81 SP

"Got somebody dropping you off at the airport, somebody picking you up, never get to drive anymore and when I get on highway, kinda squirly...." 1980/81 SP

That guitar player craves to have what SP never seemed to have desired - fame.....

You would think Greg's "family" would keep him from bickering about SP, someone he has not seen in ages....

slucero wrote:What the fuck has Perry done?..............NADA......ZILCH.

He toured endlessly as you have often posted, probably to the detriment of his voice, but he left music that people still want to hear. And, the insulting mocking karaoke band has been unable to create anything else listenable to ears of the masses, just only you handful of folks buy their new crap.

And Rollie is bickering about happenings "moons ago." You could not deliver the goods Rollie that's why you did not get to sing often. Another question Rollie, who is helping you with singing on "Feeling that Way" (who also rewrote it from that dreadful Velvet Curtain), and the others two, Anytime and Just The Same Way.

slucero wrote:Perry's ONLY claim to fame is Journey, and you fail to see that he still clings to that fame by continuing to bait dumb asses like you with the "I'm always thinking about touring" or "I miss singing" or "I'm building a studio"...

The others "ONLY claim to fame is Journey, and you fail to see that [they] cling to that fame by continuing to bait d...a.. like [casual fans] with [karaoke soundalikes] always thinking about [doing other songs] touring" or "rehearsal" for what.... been playing same songs since SP so would think they could play them in their sleep.

SP is the only one that has sold any music outside of Journey, and hopefully he filed a "claim" in collecting his royalties from his hardwork done without insultingly aping other artists "note for note."

slucero wrote:Rolie and Perry both left Journey to "have a life" (both have said so in print).. and by comparison Rolie has been much more successful at it than Perry, who has only been successful at being a recluse.

Yep, not too "reclus[ive]" to have a cup of coffee with someone to charitably raise 75k. Beats that as usual flop PPV ("help us help Arnel" NS).

slucero wrote:Face it. Perry is happy and retired. Greg is happy and making music.

"Face it. Perry is happy and retired" and never gripe or speak ill of those guys. "Greg is" still bitter and bickering, and still not "making music" that anyone wants to hear.

slucero wrote:The only one who is "bitter" is YOU.

Like that bickering Rollie that's dredging up possible happenings in his maligning attempts at SP, because of his bitterness in not getting to sing more in the band he keeps telling people he helped start along with Santana, but seems he is "disrespected" as the title here indicates.

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Wow - you win the internet today...
Tally up and compare the musical life of Mr. Rolie and Mr. Perry... After founding Santana... and post Journey, Greg's been in The Storm, Abraxas Pool, Ringo and tours regularly as a solo act. He's in the Rock HOF... And he's had a family and is happily still playing... So let's review...
Rolie:
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? CHECK
Rock HOF? CHECK
Still performing? CHECK
Family? CHECK

Yep, but the title of thread is "Why Is Gregg Rolie Always Disrespected?" so guess all that not register high on the "richter scale." Maybe when the next earthquake comes, it may blow him some respect. And, about whom is he still talking now "Don't think Steve Perry wanted me to sing." Too bad, blab, blab.....blab...

You apparently are the only person who thinks Rolie is somehow bitter.. Have a donut.. you'll feel bitter... oops I mean better..

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Perry
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? NOPE
Rock HOF? NOPE
Still performing? NOPE
Family? NOPE

Enjoying the things he enjoys most....and collecting royalties from his hardwork while others ape him or bitterly bicker about him, as he ignores their every existence.....
"There is more to life than singing and touring." 9/2013 SP
"Home, it a feeling you can't explain, you miss but you become callous."' 1980/81 SP
"Got somebody dropping you off at the airport, somebody picking you up, never get to drive anymore and when I get on highway, kinda squirly...." 1980/81 SP
That guitar player craves to have what SP never seemed to have desired - fame.....
You would think Greg's "family" would keep him from bickering about SP, someone he has not seen in ages....

All the writers of Journey songs deserve the remuneration they get.. and all your quotes (the guitar player reference isn't relevant to the topic) are simply confirmation that Perry left Journey of his own accord. Here's a thought, emulate your hero, take a cue from Perry and ignore Greg's every existence too. After all, any true Perry fan would honor Perry's wish to be left to his obscurity.

But you just can't resist bringing Perry into every convo can you?

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:What the fuck has Perry done?..............NADA......ZILCH.

He toured endlessly as you have often posted, probably to the detriment of his voice, but he left music that people still want to hear. And, the insulting mocking karaoke band has been unable to create anything else listenable to ears of the masses, just only you handful of folks buy their new crap.
And Rollie is bickering about happenings "moons ago." You could not deliver the goods Rollie that's why you did not get to sing often. Another question Rollie, who is helping you with singing on "Feeling that Way" (who also rewrote it from that dreadful Velvet Curtain), and the others two, Anytime and Just The Same Way.

Actually it wasn't Perry who left the songs.. it was Journey... And yes Perry “toured”… and when was the last time that happened again? In this century?

As far as about what happened "moons ago"... all you are doing is the same regarding Perry.

As far as buying records goes, stop living in the 70's. No one buys records anymore, try Spotify. Or have a donut.

There you go with that selective hearing thing again… I heard Rolie complimenting Perry on "Feeling That Way" in the audio provided.. maybe you didn’t listen to it.. too busy munching donuts.

Since I'm not really a fan of the new version of the band.. I simply don't listen to them.. try it... you'll feel better.. less bitter.. its sorta like a donut..

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Perry's ONLY claim to fame is Journey, and you fail to see that he still clings to that fame by continuing to bait dumb asses like you with the "I'm always thinking about touring" or "I miss singing" or "I'm building a studio"...

The others "ONLY claim to fame is Journey, and you fail to see that [they] cling to that fame by continuing to bait d...a.. like [casual fans] with [karaoke soundalikes] always thinking about [doing other songs] touring" or "rehearsal" for what.... been playing same songs since SP so would think they could play them in their sleep.

Actually all their claims to fame include Journey.. with the exception of Neal and Greg, who made their bones in Santana... but you knew that... but won't admit it.

People choose what they like, some like Beiber.. and you aren't God.. get over yourself. You don't like Journey without Perry.. we get it..

Why are you here again?

Kor'n wrote:SP is the only one that has sold any music outside of Journey, and hopefully he filed a "claim" in collecting his royalties from his hardwork done without insultingly aping other artists "note for note."

They've all sold music outside of Journey, some more than others... but that isn't really the point of success in life. But if that's your litmus test for
Perry then that's sad..because someone who only measures their success in "units sold" and is only after the money... well that's Neal..

Even I wouldn't call Perry as money hungry as Neal..

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Rolie and Perry both left Journey to "have a life" (both have said so in print).. and by comparison Rolie has been much more successful at it than Perry, who has only been successful at being a recluse.

Yep, not too "reclus[ive]" to have a cup of coffee with someone to charitably raise 75k. Beats that as usual flop PPV ("help us help Arnel" NS).

"Yep, but the title of thread is "Why Is Gregg Rolie Always Disrespected?"

Neal's stupid wedding PPV has nothing to do with the thread...

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Face it. Perry is happy and retired. Greg is happy and making music.

"Face it. Perry is happy and retired" and never gripe or speak ill of those guys. "Greg is" still bitter and bickering, and still not "making music" that anyone wants to hear.

I haven't heard a peep outta Greg about Perry.. so maybe yer just a tad oversensitive... Have a donut.. you'll feel bitter... oops I mean better..

Oh ...and where's all that new music Perry is making.. that everyone wants to hear? I'd really like to hear it.

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:The only one who is "bitter" is YOU.

Like that bickering Rollie that's dredging up possible happenings in his maligning attempts at SP, because of his bitterness in not getting to sing more in the band he keeps telling people he helped start along with Santana, but seems he is "disrespected" as the title here indicates.

LMAO.. Rolie will be writing new Santana songs.. with Neal.. maybe he'll write a song about Perry.. a bitter song..

Perry will be feeding his cats.

Kor'n wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Kor'n wrote:Greg Rolie "I dont think Steve Perry liked me singing"
by jrny84 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:36 pm

Probably true. Why do you have a problem with Rolie speaking his mind? He lived it.

Just don't know what to make of those guys, just intent on maligning Steve Perry, who has not been in the band or around them for years. Greg and Neal started the band so if Greg was not singing more it is because NO ONE else "liked" or wanted him singing more. He had three albums to deliver the goods and he FAILED. I guess they have nothing else about which they may talk. Hey Greg, how is it touring with Ringo. Guess he's bitter that Steve Lukather might be joining Ringo at Grammy, and he, Greg, would never be. SP was the top dog and they, Greg, Neal (PPV guy) and Journey are pretty much "dead in the water," so guess they would still be dredging up SP for whatever publicity they might garner.

Hopefully, Steve Perry will continue ignoring their every existence. They are nothing but deadbeat trouble.

Holy schnitzel! Dood, look. You state that, "He (Gregg) had three albums to deliver the goods and he FAILED." Going off the assumption that you are speaking only of his time in Journey.... The actuality of that time is, the whole style of music that the entire band was pursuing FAILED. While many of us greatly enjoyed the style, it was going nowhere. It said absolutely nothing of the individual members abilities. Therefore to state that Gregg failed to deliver is an entirely false premise.

I find it, at times, hilarious when fans read an interview and assign 'bitter' tones to a response from an individual. More specifically when that individual would have never uttered a word about the subject had the interviewer not asked the question and worded it as they did. Double edged sword, though, as those same fans would have assigned some hidden intent had the same interviewee declined to speak about the subject. lol Gotta love it.

slucero wrote:
Wow - you win the internet today...

Tally up and compare the musical life of Mr. Rolie and Mr. Perry... After founding Santana... and post Journey, Greg's been in The Storm, Abraxas Pool, Ringo and tours regularly as a solo act. He's in the Rock HOF... And he's had a family and is happily still playing... So let's review...

Rolie:
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? CHECK
Rock HOF? CHECK
Still performing? CHECK
Family? CHECK

Perry
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? NOPE
Rock HOF? NOPE
Still performing? NOPE
Family? NOPE

What the fuck has Perry done?..............NADA......ZILCH.

Perry's ONLY claim to fame is Journey, and you fail to see that he still clings to that fame by continuing to bait dumb asses like you with the "I'm always thinking about touring" or "I miss singing" or "I'm building a studio"...

Rolie and Perry both left Journey to "have a life" (both have said so in print).. and by comparison Rolie has been much more successful at it than Perry, who has only been successful at being a recluse.

Face it. Perry is happy and retired. Greg is happy and making music.


The only one who is "bitter" is YOU.

Lol. Epic ass kicking. Korn, time to run away, dude. You're clearly outmatched. What more will it take? A cease and desist letter from Perry's attorneys ordering you stop speaking on his behalf and sullying his already tarnished name? You are doing your hero no favors, except proving that he has the dumbest fans this side of Cledus T. Judd. Like Perry, you are washed up. Finished.

Just have to say that Steve Perry doesn't have to be "bitter" or "bicker' about his past coworkers...so many of his fans do this for him in his public absence.

Most people know that Gregg Rolie is far above all of this. Too bad people like Kor'n aren't.

Monker wrote:Just have to say that Steve Perry doesn't have to be "bitter" or "bicker' about his past coworkers...so many of his fans do this for him in his public absence.

Most people know that Gregg Rolie is far above all of this. Too bad people like Kor'n aren't.

I read and comprehend very well, and Greg/Gregg is griping and bitter. The guy just finished touring with Ringo "The Beatle" so why is he not discussing that, and any other successes that Slucero claims he has had.....

As he has said he left to start a family, etc. but with Steve Perry being there that kinda hurried his leaving. He did not get to sing much and he was jealous and bitter. The key is Steve Perry did not start the band, came in 4-5 years later when Greg could NOT deliver the goods, so it makes no sense that he would be just zeroing in on SP. It is pretty obvious that the others were not pushing for him to sing either, so why not say something to the effect of "They didn't want me singing much after SP came on aboard" or "I was just not singing much..."

Like I said earlier thought I had read somewhere Greg saying that Santana did not want him at the RRHOF. Santana seems to feed him and Neal with "a long handle spoon" and after reading Greg and Neal's sayings/spewings, it's understandable his keeping them at a distance.

That guy at the Kennedy Honors did well singing "Black Magic Woman," so did guitaring Tom Morello (forget it Schon), and hopefully Santana enjoys performing at the New Orleans Jazzfest.

What's the title of this thread.....that was not started by me....

Kor'n wrote:
I read and comprehend very well, and Greg/Gregg is griping and bitter. The guy just finished touring with Ringo "The Beatle" so why is he not discussing that, and any other successes that Slucero claims he has had.....

Its Ringo... He's a fucking Beatle for Christ sake... there is no need to talk about it.. it kinda speaks for itself...

Maybe he is talking about his albums, but most of the interviewers with Rolie want to talk about Journey... in case you hadn't noticed....

Kor'n wrote:As he has said he left to start a family, etc. but with Steve Perry being there that kinda hurried his leaving.

Perry had been in Journey 3 years when Rolie decided to leave... boy, Rolie sure took his time making that "hurried" exit...

Kor'n wrote:He did not get to sing much and he was jealous and bitter. The key is Steve Perry did not start the band, came in 4-5 years later when Greg could NOT deliver the goods, so it makes no sense that he would be just zeroing in on SP. It is pretty obvious that the others were not pushing for him to sing either, so why not say something to the effect of "They didn't want me singing much after SP came on aboard" or "I was just not singing much..."

Actually, if you read any of the interviews with Herbie, Neal, even Perry.. they all clearly state that Perry was forced on the band by Herbie, because Columbia insisted on a lead singer and radio friendly songs or they would drop Journey.. not because Greg couldn't deliver the goods..

.....get yer facts straight.

Kor'n wrote:Like I said earlier thought I had read somewhere Greg saying that Santana did not want him at the RRHOF. Santana seems to feed him and Neal with "a long handle spoon" and after reading Greg and Neal's sayings/spewings, it's understandable his keeping them at a distance.

more conjecture... and not related to the topic

Kor'n wrote:That guy at the Kennedy Honors did well singing "Black Magic Woman," so did guitaring Tom Morello (forget it Schon), and hopefully Santana enjoys performing at the New Orleans Jazzfest.

And this is related to the thread how?

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Wow - you win the internet today...
Tally up and compare the musical life of Mr. Rolie and Mr. Perry... After founding Santana... and post Journey, Greg's been in The Storm, Abraxas Pool, Ringo and tours regularly as a solo act. He's in the Rock HOF... And he's had a family and is happily still playing... So let's review...
Rolie:
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? CHECK
Rock HOF? CHECK
Still performing? CHECK
Family? CHECK

Yep, but the title of thread is "Why Is Gregg Rolie Always Disrespected?" so guess all that not register high on the "richter scale." Maybe when the next earthquake comes, it may blow him some respect. And, about whom is he still talking now "Don't think Steve Perry wanted me to sing." Too bad, blab, blab.....blab...

slucero wrote:You apparently are the only person who thinks Rolie is somehow bitter.. Have a donut.. you'll feel bitter... oops I mean better..

"Only person" on this board or in the world.... Protein bars are better.

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Perry
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? NOPE
Rock HOF? NOPE
Still performing? NOPE
Family? NOPE

Enjoying the things he enjoys most....and collecting royalties from his hardwork while others ape him or bitterly bicker about him, as he ignores their every existence.....
"There is more to life than singing and touring." 9/2013 SP
"Home, it a feeling you can't explain, you miss but you become callous."' 1980/81 SP
"Got somebody dropping you off at the airport, somebody picking you up, never get to drive anymore and when I get on highway, kinda squirly...." 1980/81 SP
That guitar player craves to have what SP never seemed to have desired - fame.....
You would think Greg's "family" would keep him from bickering about SP, someone he has not seen in ages....

slucero wrote:All the writers of Journey songs deserve the remuneration they get.. and all your quotes (the guitar player reference isn't relevant to the topic) are simply confirmation that Perry left Journey of his own accord. Here's a thought, emulate your hero, take a cue from Perry and ignore Greg's every existence too. After all, any true Perry fan would honor Perry's wish to be left to his obscurity.

But you just can't resist bringing Perry into every convo can you?

Yep, "left Journey on his own accord", but the drummer says "dismissed" and guitary say "ousted" but now "opted" since they could not wipe out him. That griping/bitter Greg/Gregg did not leave him in "obscurity." Now, let me think of the last time hurrying to see Greg......

slucero wrote:

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:What the fuck has Perry done?..............NADA......ZILCH.

He toured endlessly as you have often posted, probably to the detriment of his voice, but he left music that people still want to hear. And, the insulting mocking karaoke band has been unable to create anything else listenable to ears of the masses, just only you handful of folks buy their new crap.
And Rollie is bickering about happenings "moons ago." You could not deliver the goods Rollie that's why you did not get to sing often. Another question Rollie, who is helping you with singing on "Feeling that Way" (who also rewrote it from that dreadful Velvet Curtain), and the others two, Anytime and Just The Same Way.

Actually it wasn't Perry who left the songs.. it was Journey... And yes Perry “toured”… and when was the last time that happened again? In this century?

RETIRED and collect royalties since the karaoke band has not been able to create anything for the masses after his departure or before his entrance.

slucero wrote:As far as about what happened "moons ago"... all you are doing is the same regarding Perry.

As far as buying records goes, stop living in the 70's. No one buys records anymore, try Spotify. Or have a donut.

Beyonce just sold over a million in 10 days.
Taylor
Rhianna
Eminem
JT
Macklemore and Ryan
Jay Z
Kanye
Rod Stewart
Bon Jovi
Black Sabbath
Van Halen latest album sold over 400k
Aerosmith's sold about 200k

and the list "goes on and on" so why is the Perryless Journey that claims to be so popular selling 70k... If the band is as popular now as they claim to be, their fans should be buying their music like they bought the "Greatest Hits."

slucero wrote:There you go with that selective hearing thing again… I heard Rolie complimenting Perry on "Feeling That Way" in the audio provided.. maybe you didn’t listen to it.. too busy munching donuts.

Guess "complimenting" and bashing go "hand in hand" according to Greg.. Protein bars are better.

slucero wrote:Since I'm not really a fan of the new version of the band.. I simply don't listen to them.. try it... you'll feel better.. less bitter.. its sorta like a donut..

Neither do I.

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Perry's ONLY claim to fame is Journey, and you fail to see that he still clings to that fame by continuing to bait dumb asses like you with the "I'm always thinking about touring" or "I miss singing" or "I'm building a studio"...

The others "ONLY claim to fame is Journey, and you fail to see that [they] cling to that fame by continuing to bait d...a.. like [casual fans] with [karaoke soundalikes] always thinking about [doing other songs] touring" or "rehearsal" for what.... been playing same songs since SP so would think they could play them in their sleep.

slucero wrote:Actually all their claims to fame include Journey.. with the exception of Neal and Greg, who made their bones in Santana... but you knew that... but won't admit it.

Neal never matter, and Santana scored so big a comeback with Supernatural and others after Greg's departure so guess he not matter so much either. Kinda like Journey hoping to score a big comeback with "Eclipse,' but ended up with a huge eclipse.

slucero wrote:People choose what they like, some like Beiber.. and you aren't God.. get over yourself. You don't like Journey without Perry.. we get it..

Now, let me see what I often would hear on the radio all the time....."Shoulda been gone."

slucero wrote:Why are you here again?

To reply with Truth!

slucero wrote:

Kor'n wrote:SP is the only one that has sold any music outside of Journey, and hopefully he filed a "claim" in collecting his royalties from his hardwork done without insultingly aping other artists "note for note."

They've all sold music outside of Journey, some more than others... but that isn't really the point of success in life. But if that's your litmus test for Perry then that's sad..because someone who only measures their success in "units sold" and is only after the money... well that's Neal..

Even I wouldn't call Perry as money hungry as Neal..

Guitar player been at it forever, but people just will not buy his musical stuff.

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Rolie and Perry both left Journey to "have a life" (both have said so in print).. and by comparison Rolie has been much more successful at it than Perry, who has only been successful at being a recluse.

Yep, not too "reclus[ive]" to have a cup of coffee with someone to charitably raise 75k. Beats that as usual flop PPV ("help us help Arnel" NS).

slucero wrote:

slucero (quoted) wrote:"Yep, but the title of thread is "Why Is Gregg Rolie Always Disrespected?"

Neal's stupid wedding PPV has nothing to do with the thread...

slucero wrote:

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:Face it. Perry is happy and retired. Greg is happy and making music.

"Face it. Perry is happy and retired" and never gripe or speak ill of those guys. "Greg is" still bitter and bickering, and still not "making music" that anyone wants to hear.

I haven't heard a peep outta Greg about Perry.. so maybe yer just a tad oversensitive... Have a donut.. you'll feel bitter... oops I mean better..

Probably not the only one that has not "heard a peep outta Greg." Protein bars are better.

Don't waste your time with the "donut" talk... Guess you're like TNC experiencing the "agony of defeat."

slucero wrote:Oh ...and where's all that new music Perry is making.. that everyone wants to hear? I'd really like to hear it.

RETIRED! When you retire, you live off "past glories" unless you are called "Journey."

Kor'n wrote:

slucero wrote:The only one who is "bitter" is YOU.

Like that bickering Rollie that's dredging up possible happenings in his maligning attempts at SP, because of his bitterness in not getting to sing more in the band he keeps telling people he helped start along with Santana, but seems he is "disrespected" as the title here indicates.

slucero wrote:LMAO.. Rolie will be writing new Santana songs.. with Neal.. maybe he'll write a song about Perry.. a bitter song..

Those two are surely hoping Santana will "throw them a bone" to try and garner some spotlight. But, Santana finding that homeless guy got real press unlike his reuniting with those two. Surely not doing much on their own other than aping the past or griping bitterly.

slucero wrote:Perry will be feeding his cats.

Greatest Hits on BB 200 #69 this week and #90 last week, so hopefully the sales and royalties (unlike Eclipse and Revelation) will keep the little kitty well nourished.

give it up.. you've already been owned..

slucero wrote:

Kor'n wrote:
I read and comprehend very well, and Greg/Gregg is griping and bitter. The guy just finished touring with Ringo "The Beatle" so why is he not discussing that, and any other successes that Slucero claims he has had.....

Its Ringo... He's a fucking Beatle for Christ sake... there is no need to talk about it.. it kinda speaks for itself...

Maybe he is talking about his albums, but most of the interviewers with Rolie want to talk about Journey... in case you hadn't noticed....

Will Greg be invited on stage with Ringo like I read Steve Lukather will be, for he also toured with Ringo.....and he speaks of being a fan while you know who gripes about "didn't want me to sing." Don't think Ringo is talking about him.

Why not talk about reuniting with Santana or working with guitary player again, cause no one else is. Oh, that's why interviewer got him griping about Steve Perry.

slucero wrote:

Kor'n wrote:As he has said he left to start a family, etc. but with Steve Perry being there that kinda hurried his leaving.

Perry had been in Journey 3 years when Rolie decided to leave... boy, Rolie sure took his time making that "hurried" exit...

Yep, hung in there as long as his pride could take it.... Guess he hung around long enough to realize one or two songs here or there were about it. Gregg seems just like the rest of those guys in Journey, exception of Steve Smith, probably, and of course SP... Did he get mad at Santana too...

slucero wrote:

Kor'n wrote:He did not get to sing much and he was jealous and bitter. The key is Steve Perry did not start the band, came in 4-5 years later when Greg could NOT deliver the goods, so it makes no sense that he would be just zeroing in on SP. It is pretty obvious that the others were not pushing for him to sing either, so why not say something to the effect of "They didn't want me singing much after SP came on aboard" or "I was just not singing much..."

Actually, if you read any of the interviews with Herbie, Neal, even Perry.. they all clearly state that Perry was forced on the band by Herbie, because Columbia insisted on a lead singer and radio friendly songs or they would drop Journey.. not because Greg couldn't deliver the goods..

.....get yer facts straight.

Quite familiar with "any of the interviews" and BTM so why did they not insist that Greg sing..... Selling approx 100k records was "couldn't deliver the goods" to Sony and to the self-proclaimed capitalist Herbie. Guess no one was interested in Greg's pride.

slucero wrote:

Kor'n wrote:Like I said earlier thought I had read somewhere Greg saying that Santana did not want him at the RRHOF. Santana seems to feed him and Neal with "a long handle spoon" and after reading Greg and Neal's sayings/spewings, it's understandable his keeping them at a distance.

more conjecture... and not related to the topic

Santana seems to have ignored Greg (NS too) all these years, and certainly did not invite him to Kennedy Honors. Since he was supposedly thinking on reuniting, maybe shoulda at least have "thrown a small bone" to the griper.

slucero wrote:

Kor'n wrote:That guy at the Kennedy Honors did well singing "Black Magic Woman," so did guitaring Tom Morello (forget it Schon), and hopefully Santana enjoys performing at the New Orleans Jazzfest.

And this is related to the thread how?

Didn't invite the griper.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

slucero wrote:
Wow - you win the internet today...

Tally up and compare the musical life of Mr. Rolie and Mr. Perry... After founding Santana... and post Journey, Greg's been in The Storm, Abraxas Pool, Ringo and tours regularly as a solo act. He's in the Rock HOF... And he's had a family and is happily still playing... So let's review...

Rolie:
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? CHECK
Rock HOF? CHECK
Still performing? CHECK
Family? CHECK

Perry
Solo act? CHECK
Other bands? NOPE
Rock HOF? NOPE
Still performing? NOPE
Family? NOPE

What the fuck has Perry done?..............NADA......ZILCH.

Perry's ONLY claim to fame is Journey, and you fail to see that he still clings to that fame by continuing to bait dumb asses like you with the "I'm always thinking about touring" or "I miss singing" or "I'm building a studio"...

Rolie and Perry both left Journey to "have a life" (both have said so in print).. and by comparison Rolie has been much more successful at it than Perry, who has only been successful at being a recluse.

Face it. Perry is happy and retired. Greg is happy and making music.


The only one who is "bitter" is YOU.

Lol. Epic ass kicking. Korn, time to run away, dude. You're clearly outmatched. What more will it take? A cease and desist letter from Perry's attorneys ordering you stop speaking on his behalf and sullying his already tarnished name? You are doing your hero no favors, except proving that he has the dumbest fans this side of Cledus T. Judd. Like Perry, you are washed up. Finished.

Now, on what planet does your mind reside....