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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby Monker » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:19 pm

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Monker wrote:AIP is an anthem? LOL....too funny.


Not what wrote. I said "wannabe feel good uplifting anthem." If you don't think Cain obviously set out to write a song in the mold of BGTY or CFTB, then you don't know Journey.


AIP is not attempting to be an anthem. That is absolutely ridiculous. It's trying to be a pop song.

No way Journey would try to write a song in the mold from anything off of ROR, with Schon in the band.
No reason to write a song after a forgettable minor hit off their last album.

I don't think Journey was trying to any of these things you are saying. AIP was an attempt at a catchy pop song. Nothing more.

It's also funny that you compare City of Hope to DSB...


Again, not what I wrote. I said City of Hope tries to capitalize on the success of that song and renewed popularity by clunkily referencing it in the COH lyrics ("never stop believing"). Too subtle for you?


No, too conspiracy theory for me. What you are saying is about as likely as "Chain of Love" trying to capitalize on the popularity of "Lord of the Rings' by writing similar lyrics. It's just made up bullshit.

when AIP is clearly taking on the DSB theme and doesn't need to simply throw in similar lyrics.


So first you claim that Anything is Possible is not in any way, shape, or form a feel good anthem and now you compare it to Don't Stop Believin, which is the most famous singalong rock anthem of all time. So which is it? You don't really know what the fuck you're trying to say, do you?


I said THEME. Both songs have the theme of believing in your dreams, even if you shoot at the moon and miss. But, the style of the songs are completely different. AIP is not an anthem. DSB is not a simplistic pop song with almost plagiarized lyrics.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:33 pm

Monker wrote:AIP is not attempting to be an anthem. That is absolutely ridiculous.

CBS radio called AIP "A classic Journey anthem."
Andrew on this site called AIP "the uplifting feel good anthem Anything Is Possible."

So clearly I'm not alone.

"Be Good to Yourself", "Change for the Better", "Don't Stop Believin", "Never Too Late", "Anything Is Possible" - All of these songs, with titles that serve as inspirational phrases, can be described as anthems. You seem to have a narrow definition of an anthem as something like Queen's "We Will Rock You" or Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar on Me." But I never said AIP was a fist pounding "rock anthem." It's a breezy mellow rock tune with an anthemic motivational chorus. It's an anthem.

Monker wrote:No way Journey would try to write a song in the mold from anything off of ROR, with Schon in the band.


Cain has gone to this well before and not just on ROR.

Monker wrote:No, too conspiracy theory for me. What you are saying is about as likely as "Chain of Love" trying to capitalize on the popularity of "Lord of the Rings' by writing similar lyrics. It's just made up bullshit.


Except the lyrics in City of Hope EXPLICITLY include "Never Stop Believin" multiple times. You mean to say this is a coincidence? It's an obvious reference to Don't Stop Believin, whose success brought the band back into the spotlight. Arnel's biographical documentary is even titled, Don't Stop Believing. Another coincidence? No tin foil hat required to see what's going on here.

If Chain of Love" has explicit lyrics about Galadriel, Tom Bombadil, and Mt. Doom, I missed that. That's such a pathetic argument, even for you.

Monker wrote:DSB is not a simplistic pop song with almost plagiarized lyrics.


Cain is on record multiple times saying that the "midnight train" lyrics in DSB were a "homage" to Glady's Knight's Midnight Train to Georgia. As the saying goes, one man's homage is another man's rip-off. So there's nothing new here. And of course, DSB is a pop rock song. That goes without saying. I guess you think it's Hardcore Pornogrind Death Metal? :roll:
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby Onestepper » Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:26 am

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Onestepper wrote:You're not going to convince people otherwise.

Not looking to win hearts and change minds. But if you are going to critique Anything is Possible for being "cheesy", then at least be consistent. City of Hope is just as guilty. Imo worse.



And if I were to critique every song by their lyrical prose, and how goofy some of them are, we'd be here all day.

So if your beef with Anything is Possible isn't the hokey lyrics, what is it? I wouldn't consider Neal's playing to be cheesy.


I think the entire song is crap...what part of this do you not understand? I wasn't asking for your permission to not like it. I'm not being "inconsistent"....it's my opinion. Just like it's your opinion that COH is equally cheesy, and you like AIP...notice that I'm not making you wrong for that opinion?

Do you just need to argue or something? Good grief.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:06 am

Onestepper wrote:I think the entire song is crap...what part of this do you not understand? I wasn't asking for your permission to not like it. I'm not being "inconsistent"....it's my opinion. Just like it's your opinion that COH is equally cheesy, and you like AIP...notice that I'm not making you wrong for that opinion?

Do you just need to argue or something? Good grief.


You're posting on a message board, not a hit and run echo chamber. I guess the entire concept of a discussion forum is foreign to you. And yes, you are being inconsistent if you fault AIP for being cheesy but then praise City of Hope as both songs are pretty damn cheesy. But, hey, that's my opinion and I am willing to discuss it. Something you are clearly mentally incapable of. So thanks for adding nothing to this thread. Run along to your 'safe space' now. It's scary out here. :roll:
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby Onestepper » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:47 am

Your words alone make it clear your not interested in "discussion"...you're more interested in making someone "wrong".

There's nothing inconsistent with someone not enjoying a song, or the specific lyrics. If that's what you want to use as qualifier for enjoying the music, good for you. No one is stopping you.

As for the "safe space" comment, you come off like a spoiled brat around here. As if your word is the holy grail of Journey. You don't discuss with people...you work to try to make them wrong.

So it appears you are the one "scared". Scared that others might actually think differently than you. Imagine that...someone other than the "Noble Cause" actually can articulate a position, yet still respects someone's opinion that they just happen to disagree with.

Try not to shake in fear too much. You act like a scared teenager.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby STORY_TELLER » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:31 am

Onestepper wrote:Your words alone make it clear your not interested in "discussion"...you're more interested in making someone "wrong".

There's nothing inconsistent with someone not enjoying a song, or the specific lyrics. If that's what you want to use as qualifier for enjoying the music, good for you. No one is stopping you.

As for the "safe space" comment, you come off like a spoiled brat around here. As if your word is the holy grail of Journey. You don't discuss with people...you work to try to make them wrong.

So it appears you are the one "scared". Scared that others might actually think differently than you. Imagine that...someone other than the "Noble Cause" actually can articulate a position, yet still respects someone's opinion that they just happen to disagree with.

Try not to shake in fear too much. You act like a scared teenager.


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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby Monker » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:16 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Monker wrote:AIP is not attempting to be an anthem. That is absolutely ridiculous.

CBS radio called AIP "A classic Journey anthem."
Andrew on this site called AIP "the uplifting feel good anthem Anything Is Possible."

So clearly I'm not alone.


Of course not. People can agree and you can all be wrong.

AIP is not an anthem.

"Be Good to Yourself", "Change for the Better", "Don't Stop Believin", "Never Too Late", "Anything Is Possible" - All of these songs, with titles that serve as inspirational phrases, can be described as anthems.


Yeah, with the exception of DSB, they can also be described as mediocre pop songs that not many people care about and are very much NOT anthems.

You seem to have a narrow definition of an anthem as something like Queen's "We Will Rock You" or Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar on Me." But I never said AIP was a fist pounding "rock anthem." It's a breezy mellow rock tune with an anthemic motivational chorus. It's an anthem.


That's not what an anthem is. Nobody at a sporting event is yelling out the words to AIP as their anthem. DSB - yes. If you want these songs to be YOUR anthem, fine...but they are not anthems in general. That's just silly nonsense you are arguing here and you are turning into a debate over the definition of a word so you don't have to admit you are wrong. That is fucking boring and stupid.

Monker wrote:No way Journey would try to write a song in the mold from anything off of ROR, with Schon in the band.


Cain has gone to this well before and not just on ROR.


AIP does not sound like BGTY. It sounds more like IBAWY. A pop song.

Monker wrote:No, too conspiracy theory for me. What you are saying is about as likely as "Chain of Love" trying to capitalize on the popularity of "Lord of the Rings' by writing similar lyrics. It's just made up bullshit.


Except the lyrics in City of Hope EXPLICITLY include "Never Stop Believin" multiple times. You mean to say this is a coincidence? It's an obvious reference to Don't Stop Believin, whose success brought the band back into the spotlight. Arnel's biographical documentary is even titled, Don't Stop Believing. Another coincidence? No tin foil hat required to see what's going on here.

If Chain of Love" has explicit lyrics about Galadriel, Tom Bombadil, and Mt. Doom, I missed that. That's such a pathetic argument, even for you.


one ring to bring them all
and in the the darkness, bind them.

It's the chain of love that finds me
the chain of love that binds me

Reads about as close as your DSB crap...and the second verse goes on about "voices in my head that try to rule me". Clearly this is the "Chain of Power" and if Neal gets that chain back he'll cover all of the lands with a second darkness.

"Never stop believing" may be a sorta nod to DSB, but it's not trying to use its popularity for anything...it can't because it would have to be heard on the radio first.

Monker wrote:DSB is not a simplistic pop song with almost plagiarized lyrics.


Cain is on record multiple times saying that the "midnight train" lyrics in DSB were a "homage" to Glady's Knight's Midnight Train to Georgia. As the saying goes, one man's homage is another man's rip-off. So there's nothing new here. And of course, DSB is a pop rock song. That goes without saying. I guess you think it's Hardcore Pornogrind Death Metal? :roll:
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AIP -
When you shoot for the moon
and you miss your mark
you still end up so high among the stars

Les Brown
"Shoot for the moon and if you miss you will still be among the stars."

Dude, I noticed that plagiarism when I first heard the song. It's OBVIOUS Jonathan knew the one line and set it to a melody...much different than just using "midnight train" and the imagery. Les Brown deserves a partial writing credit.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby perryfan61 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:24 pm

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Onestepper wrote:Your words alone make it clear your not interested in "discussion"...you're more interested in making someone "wrong".

There's nothing inconsistent with someone not enjoying a song, or the specific lyrics. If that's what you want to use as qualifier for enjoying the music, good for you. No one is stopping you.

As for the "safe space" comment, you come off like a spoiled brat around here. As if your word is the holy grail of Journey. You don't discuss with people...you work to try to make them wrong.

So it appears you are the one "scared". Scared that others might actually think differently than you. Imagine that...someone other than the "Noble Cause" actually can articulate a position, yet still respects someone's opinion that they just happen to disagree with.

Try not to shake in fear too much. You act like a scared teenager.


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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:09 pm

Monker wrote:Yeah, with the exception of DSB, they can also be described as mediocre pop songs that not many people care about and are very much NOT anthems.


If an anthem is played in the woods while a bear is taking a shit next to a pope wearing a funny hat and nobody hears it, is it still an anthem? All of the Journey songs I mentioned are anthems. A song doesn't become an anthem only when it is embraced en masse by the public. That is YOUR definition that you pulled out of your cratered asshole.

Monker wrote:That's not what an anthem is. Nobody at a sporting event is yelling out the words to AIP as their anthem. DSB - yes.


Higher Place and Separate Ways have also been described quite accurately as anthems. Do they get played at sports games? Would it matter? Public support can be used as a barometer for sales support but not for defining what style a song is and isn't.

Monker wrote:If you want these songs to be YOUR anthem, fine...but they are not anthems in general. That's just silly nonsense you are arguing here and you are turning into a debate over the definition of a word so you don't have to admit you are wrong. That is fucking boring and stupid.


When other people have referred to AIP as an "anthem", maybe you're the one who's in the wrong. Certainly wouldn't be the first time.

Monker wrote:AIP does not sound like BGTY. It sounds more like IBAWY. A pop song.


And Don't Stop Believin doesn't sound like BGTY or AIP. Neither does Higher Place. All three are anthems.

Monker wrote:"Never stop believing" may be a sorta nod to DSB, but it's not trying to use its popularity for anything...it can't because it would have to be heard on the radio first.


From Cain intervuew....

Q: On the new album, the first track, 'City of Hope,' has the line "Never stop believing." Is that an homage to 'Don't Stop Believing''?

Cain: Kind of. It was written about Arnel. When we were in Manila, Neal and I wrote it in a hotel room. I had these lyrics come to me, like they do, and I got inspired meeting [Pineda's] family and friends and going to places he grew up. And I thought, "This guy is the 'Don't Stop Believin'' song. He is the city boy that grew up the hard way. And he found his way to YouTube, and somehow we looked at him through a window and chose him as the successor."


What did I say? I said they were trying to capitalize on the success of DSB and here in fine print, black and white, Cain is saying that Arnel is Mister Don't Stop Believin . Pretty much says it all.

Monker wrote:Dude, I noticed that plagiarism when I first heard the song. It's OBVIOUS Jonathan knew the one line and set it to a melody...much different than just using "midnight train" and the imagery. Les Brown deserves a partial writing credit.


I remember when you first exposed this. I'm not denying it at all. It's just a separate subject. An anthem can be plagiarized and still be an anthem.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:13 pm

perryfan61 wrote:It was about time!! Well said! :lol: :wink:


Aww, is someone still butt-hurt because they idiotically claimed that "Eyes of a Woman" won a Grammy? Some expert you are...

Didn't Perry also win "Most Promising New Artist" at the Caribbean Music Awards for his Ziggy Marley impression on 'Baby I'm a Leavin You'? :lol:

You personify what's wrong with this forum and the web in general - the stupid leading the retarded.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:23 pm

Onestepper wrote:Your words alone make it clear your not interested in "discussion"...you're more interested in making someone "wrong".


When you say “I think the entire song is crap”, you are pretty much wrong by default. There is far more intelligent discussion going on in the Superman vs Batman thread. You may as well be expressing your opinion in macaroni diorama form (just try to remember not to eat the glue).

Onestepper wrote:There's nothing inconsistent with someone not enjoying a song, or the specific lyrics. If that's what you want to use as qualifier for enjoying the music, good for you. No one is stopping you.


"No one is stopping you” or “I wasn't asking for your permission” - this is all Orwellian double speak for please don’t address my posts. And if that’s how you feel, you should probably just speak your opinions into a dictaphone.

Onestepper wrote:As for the "safe space" comment, you come off like a spoiled brat around here. As if your word is the holy grail of Journey. You don't discuss with people...you work to try to make them wrong.


As the saying goes, ‘'You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion.’

Onestepper wrote:So it appears you are the one "scared". Scared that others might actually think differently than you. Imagine that...someone other than the "Noble Cause" actually can articulate a position, yet still respects someone's opinion that they just happen to disagree with.


The only thing keeping me up at night is that window-licking, helmet wearers like you are out in society voting, procreating, and hogging the backseat on the shortbus. You haven't articulated jack shit. "City of Hope" and "Anything is Possible" both sound like they were written by the Wisconsin Master Cheesemakers Union (with unaccredited co-writes by the Lollipop Guild and Captain & Tennille).

Onestepper wrote:Try not to shake in fear too much. You act like a scared teenager.


Let me try to put this in terms you can actually understand: your entire post is crap.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:36 am

STORY_TELLER wrote:Post of the year! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do you tell stories before or after you roll down the windows to your GMC work van and offer children candy? Inquiring minds wants to know. Bring it on loser.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby Aaron » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:59 am

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Onestepper wrote:Your words alone make it clear your not interested in "discussion"...you're more interested in making someone "wrong".

There's nothing inconsistent with someone not enjoying a song, or the specific lyrics. If that's what you want to use as qualifier for enjoying the music, good for you. No one is stopping you.

As for the "safe space" comment, you come off like a spoiled brat around here. As if your word is the holy grail of Journey. You don't discuss with people...you work to try to make them wrong.

So it appears you are the one "scared". Scared that others might actually think differently than you. Imagine that...someone other than the "Noble Cause" actually can articulate a position, yet still respects someone's opinion that they just happen to disagree with.

Try not to shake in fear too much. You act like a scared teenager.


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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby perryfan61 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:04 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
perryfan61 wrote:It was about time!! Well said! :lol: :wink:


Aww, is someone still butt-hurt because they idiotically claimed that "Eyes of a Woman" won a Grammy? Some expert you are...

Didn't Perry also win "Most Promising New Artist" at the Caribbean Music Awards for his Ziggy Marley impression on 'Baby I'm a Leavin You'? :lol:

You personify what's wrong with this forum and the web in general - the stupid leading the retarded.





I really feel like I'm part of this forum now....had my Butt kicked by the ever cranky TNC :!: :shock:

I'm just a little confused though....which one are you; the "stupid" one, or the "retarded" one?

And BTW, I never said I was an expert, on Journey or anything else. That's why I joined this forum, to learn from others.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby Aaron » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:52 pm

perryfan61 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
perryfan61 wrote:It was about time!! Well said! :lol: :wink:


Aww, is someone still butt-hurt because they idiotically claimed that "Eyes of a Woman" won a Grammy? Some expert you are...

Didn't Perry also win "Most Promising New Artist" at the Caribbean Music Awards for his Ziggy Marley impression on 'Baby I'm a Leavin You'? :lol:

You personify what's wrong with this forum and the web in general - the stupid leading the retarded.





I really feel like I'm part of this forum now....had my Butt kicked by the ever cranky TNC :!: :shock:

I'm just a little confused though....which one are you; the "stupid" one, or the "retarded" one?

And BTW, I never said I was an expert, on Journey or anything else. That's why I joined this forum, to learn from others.

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And this dude with little capability has learned to debate as a politician. You keep rocking. In The Eyes of a Woman was the shining light of TBF. Rest was shite. Very little value after that great song. Don't listen to bully dumb arses that play the politics. You're right on. It's obvious they have no life other than hanging on the key strokes of this forum. :roll:

This dude is just like 99% of internet trolls with good debating skills and zero depth or knowledge. It's what drives away good input and it sucks. A key reason why I don't participate here much any more.

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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby Monker » Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:58 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:If an anthem is played in the woods while a bear is taking a shit next to a pope wearing a funny hat and nobody hears it, is it still an anthem?


Ok, fine. "Anything is Possible" is an anthem for bears shitting in the woods. I guess anything really is possible.

Monker wrote:"Never stop believing" may be a sorta nod to DSB, but it's not trying to use its popularity for anything...it can't because it would have to be heard on the radio first.


From Cain intervuew....

Q: On the new album, the first track, 'City of Hope,' has the line "Never stop believing." Is that an homage to 'Don't Stop Believing''?

Cain: Kind of. It was written about Arnel. When we were in Manila, Neal and I wrote it in a hotel room. I had these lyrics come to me, like they do, and I got inspired meeting [Pineda's] family and friends and going to places he grew up. And I thought, "This guy is the 'Don't Stop Believin'' song. He is the city boy that grew up the hard way. And he found his way to YouTube, and somehow we looked at him through a window and chose him as the successor."


What did I say? I said they were trying to capitalize on the success of DSB and here in fine print, black and white, Cain is saying that Arnel is Mister Don't Stop Believin . Pretty much says it all.


OH, please. He did not say a thing about writing this song to capitalize on DSB. He is saying it is a song about Arnel...in other places it is said it is a song about Manilla. Nowhere did he say or imply that "City of Hope" and the phrase "Never stop believin'" was written to capitalize from DSB...It's paying homage to, a nod to, DSB...and inspired by Arnel.

I remember when you first exposed this. I'm not denying it at all. It's just a separate subject. An anthem can be plagiarized and still be an anthem.


...and AIP is an anthem for bears shitting in the woods. You've already proven that.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby Monker » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:02 pm

perryfan61 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
perryfan61 wrote:It was about time!! Well said! :lol: :wink:


Aww, is someone still butt-hurt because they idiotically claimed that "Eyes of a Woman" won a Grammy? Some expert you are...

Didn't Perry also win "Most Promising New Artist" at the Caribbean Music Awards for his Ziggy Marley impression on 'Baby I'm a Leavin You'? :lol:

You personify what's wrong with this forum and the web in general - the stupid leading the retarded.





I really feel like I'm part of this forum now....had my Butt kicked by the ever cranky TNC :!: :shock:

I'm just a little confused though....which one are you; the "stupid" one, or the "retarded" one?

And BTW, I never said I was an expert, on Journey or anything else. That's why I joined this forum, to learn from others.


Hey, I haven't insulted your opinion yet.

"Eyes of a Woman" is a ridiculously lame. But, at least it has Steve Smith playing and is not as gay as "Happy to Give". So, it's 'meh'...definitely doesn't deserve a Grammy. Nothing on ROR deserves a Grammy.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:40 pm

Monker wrote:OH, please. He did not say a thing about writing this song to capitalize on DSB. He is saying it is a song about Arnel...in other places it is said it is a song about Manilla. Nowhere did he say or imply that "City of Hope" and the phrase "Never stop believin'" was written to capitalize from DSB...It's paying homage to, a nod to, DSB...and inspired by Arnel.


I also said that the lyrics was reference to DSB and Cain said "kind of." Could have been worse. Cain could've said that's "total conspiracy BS" like you did. Cain thinks Arnel is the DSB guy. There has been an obvious effort to link Arnel to that song's success, and City of Hope continues that.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:09 pm

perryfan61 wrote:And BTW, I never said I was an expert, on Journey or anything else.


Is your screen name Perryfan or not? Wouldn't a Perry fan know what song was nominated for a Grammy? Nobody is asking you to identify the Easter Island-shaped birthmark on his right butt cheek. This is very very basic Perry 101 stuff, folks.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:14 pm

Aaron wrote:In The Eyes of a Woman was the shining light of TBF. Rest was shite. Very little value after that great song.


Eyes of a Woman wasn't on Trial By Fire, dumbass. :roll:

Aaron wrote:This dude is just like 99% of internet trolls with good debating skills and zero depth or knowledge.


Vast "knowledge" like how Eyes of a Woman was on TBF????
Gotta love the irony. :lol:

Aaron wrote:It's obvious they have no life other than hanging on the key strokes of this forum.


Could be worse. I could pretend to be a know-it-all musician and then say jumbled syntax BS like "Neal’s guitar is not on key for a positive vibe.”
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby STORY_TELLER » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:32 am

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Onestepper wrote:Your words alone make it clear your not interested in "discussion"...you're more interested in making someone "wrong".

There's nothing inconsistent with someone not enjoying a song, or the specific lyrics. If that's what you want to use as qualifier for enjoying the music, good for you. No one is stopping you.

As for the "safe space" comment, you come off like a spoiled brat around here. As if your word is the holy grail of Journey. You don't discuss with people...you work to try to make them wrong.

So it appears you are the one "scared". Scared that others might actually think differently than you. Imagine that...someone other than the "Noble Cause" actually can articulate a position, yet still respects someone's opinion that they just happen to disagree with.

Try not to shake in fear too much. You act like a scared teenager.
STORY_TELLER wrote:Post of the year! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do you tell stories before or after you roll down the windows to your GMC work van and offer children candy? Inquiring minds wants to know. Bring it on loser.


I couldn't possibly top Onestepper's comment. He absolutely nailed you. SO glad I wasn't drinking coffee when I read his comment it would have shot out of my nose! I mean, seriously, where does one go from there? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Again -- POST OF THE YEAR!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby JourneyHard » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:50 am

Perhaps Journey needs to play AIP on this tour and we will find out if it gets the crowd pumped up.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:43 am

JourneyHard wrote:Perhaps Journey needs to play AIP on this tour and we will find out if it gets the crowd pumped up.


LOL...yeah, that will last about two concerts. Nothing on Eclipse gets people 'pumped up'.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby tj » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:52 am

Monker wrote:
JourneyHard wrote:Perhaps Journey needs to play AIP on this tour and we will find out if it gets the crowd pumped up.


LOL...yeah, that will last about two concerts. Nothing on Eclipse gets people 'pumped up'.


I gotta agree. Eclipse is something that hardcore fans can appreciate - at least some of them. Most of the crowd wants the hits and I gotta think many will walk out during AIP or anything else from the post ROR years.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:58 am

tj wrote:I gotta think many will walk out during AIP or anything else from the post ROR years.


Exactly. This can be said about new material by older rock acts in general, not just Eclipse. Monker and others are acting as if Journey material post-Perry was enjoying commercial success until Eclipse came along.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:44 am

STORY_TELLER wrote:I couldn't possibly top Onestepper's comment. He absolutely nailed you.

What's all this about someone being nailed and being topped?
Why do all your posts read like one of your rejected Brokeback Bedtime Stories for Twink Monthly?

STORY_TELLER wrote:SO glad I wasn't drinking coffee when I read his comment it would have shot out of my nose! I mean, seriously, where does one go from there? :lol: :lol: :lol:

You can’t shoot coffee out of your nose when it’s jam-packed with talcum powder and dirty ones snorted off the ass of a Chippendales B-squad dancer.

STORY_TELLER wrote:Again -- POST OF THE YEAR!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stick your balls in a meat grinder and crank.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby perryfan61 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:56 am

"Hey, I haven't insulted your opinion yet.

"Eyes of a Woman" is a ridiculously lame. But, at least it has Steve Smith playing and is not as gay as "Happy to Give". So, it's 'meh'...definitely doesn't deserve a Grammy. Nothing on ROR deserves a Grammy."



I meant to say "When you love a Woman" got nominated, but I wrote " Eyes of a Woman " instead....which TNC will now never let me forget :oops: :lol: Yes, I admit it, I'm not perfect :roll:
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby tj » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:00 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
tj wrote:I gotta think many will walk out during AIP or anything else from the post ROR years.


Exactly. This can be said about new material by older rock acts in general, not just Eclipse. Monker and others are acting as if Journey material post-Perry was enjoying commercial success until Eclipse came along.



If any of these bands, Journey, Foreigner, REO, Styx, etc. want to play new material and have people sit and listen, they are going to have to play small venues where only the hardcore fans show. Bill it as playing new or deep cut material, play small venues and then go have fun with it. If they try it in large venues, at best people will walk. At worst, they will slam the band on reviews - driving down ticket sales for future dates at large venues for the rest of that tour and future years.

Rik Emmett from Triumph has talked a lot about the need to play the hits that people want and pay to hear. He even tells them that since he has played what they want, he wants them to listen to something he wants to play and then plays something not well known. A good trade off, I think. Not on the same scale as Journey, but he is in small venues where he can make it worrk.
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby JourneyHard » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:44 pm

The title of the song is Anything Is Possible! So maybe it will pump up the fans! :D

(New song idea for Journey. A song about wanting to play new songs, but fans wanting the same old same old.)
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Re: Eclipse - 5 years

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:21 pm

perryfan61 wrote:"Hey, I haven't insulted your opinion yet.

"Eyes of a Woman" is a ridiculously lame. But, at least it has Steve Smith playing and is not as gay as "Happy to Give". So, it's 'meh'...definitely doesn't deserve a Grammy. Nothing on ROR deserves a Grammy."



I meant to say "When you love a Woman" got nominated, but I wrote " Eyes of a Woman " instead....which TNC will now never let me forget :oops: :lol: Yes, I admit it, I'm not perfect :roll:


It must be because you are using a private Email server, the same as Hillary Clinton. If you are using a private server, I'm sure Andrew gave you permission.

"When You Love a Woman" is a much better song. And, if you are going to lose, it's probably a bit easier to take when you lose to the Beatles.
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