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Houston 4-12-80

Postby artinis1 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:29 pm

Does anyone know what is the definitive version of this show in terms of sound quality,
Years ago I bought it on silver discs under the title of Messin' With The Kid,
I see it posted on you tube by daspudster and it seems to maybe have better sound,
richer, fuller, more low end, the speed always seemed just a bit slow to my ear,
any info is appreciated, this is what Captured should have been
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby MysteryMountain » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:28 am

I think mine is called "Departing the Firey Summit" maybe? As you mentioned, it seems the track is slowed slightly, and there's plenty of low end bass as well, which I like. It's not terrible, audio overall is good, but it does seem a bit off in terms of speed. And you're right, Captured should have included some of the stuff that was on here, especially the tracks that were performed so long up to that point, most notably Patiently into Opened the Door. I think I read an interview where, around this time the playlist had been altered, much to the chagrin of the some of the members. That's neither her nor there, but this concert along with the Chicago one, are two of the best "boots" available that covers the entire spectrum of what Journey was from 79' to 80', prior to Escape.
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby FamilyMan » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:49 am

artinis1 wrote:Does anyone know what is the definitive version of this show in terms of sound quality,
Years ago I bought it on silver discs under the title of Messin' With The Kid,
I see it posted on you tube by daspudster and it seems to maybe have better sound,
richer, fuller, more low end, the speed always seemed just a bit slow to my ear,
any info is appreciated, this is what Captured should have been


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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby MysteryMountain » Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:36 am

FamilyMan wrote:https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Live-Houston-1981-Escape/dp/B000BPK2NE


That's the 1981 Escape Show, not the "1980 Departure Tour Bootleg" in question.
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby artinis1 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:22 am

With the HOF, it would be great if they released a live box set,
79-80 show different from Captured
81 show different from Houston maybe Tokyo
83 show
86 show

Not sure all the parties could get together on this one, also I
believe the Vegas shows featuring Escape and Frontiers in full
will be released like the Styx Grand Illusion/PO8 DVD/CDs
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby FamilyMan » Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:15 am

artinis1 wrote:With the HOF, it would be great if they released a live box set,
79-80 show different from Captured
81 show different from Houston maybe Tokyo
83 show
86 show

Not sure all the parties could get together on this one, also I
believe the Vegas shows featuring Escape and Frontiers in full
will be released like the Styx Grand Illusion/PO8 DVD/CDs


The '86 tour will never be released for a myriad of reasons. For starters, I'm sure Smitty and Ross don't want to remind the world they were replaced by two studio session musicians. Secondly, Perry was cooked. And without sounding in his finest form, you can bet he'll never let those shows see the light of day.
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby MysteryMountain » Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:40 am

FamilyMan wrote:
artinis1 wrote:With the HOF, it would be great if they released a live box set,
79-80 show different from Captured
81 show different from Houston maybe Tokyo
83 show
86 show

Not sure all the parties could get together on this one, also I
believe the Vegas shows featuring Escape and Frontiers in full
will be released like the Styx Grand Illusion/PO8 DVD/CDs


The '86 tour will never be released for a myriad of reasons. For starters, I'm sure Smitty and Ross don't want to remind the world they were replaced by two studio session musicians. Secondly, Perry was cooked. And without sounding in his finest form, you can bet he'll never let those shows see the light of day.


Am I crazy? Im almost positive I have a studio production/released video at home of that tour with Randy Jackson on bass.
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby Memorex » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:16 pm

MysteryMountain wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:
artinis1 wrote:With the HOF, it would be great if they released a live box set,
79-80 show different from Captured
81 show different from Houston maybe Tokyo
83 show
86 show

Not sure all the parties could get together on this one, also I
believe the Vegas shows featuring Escape and Frontiers in full
will be released like the Styx Grand Illusion/PO8 DVD/CDs


The '86 tour will never be released for a myriad of reasons. For starters, I'm sure Smitty and Ross don't want to remind the world they were replaced by two studio session musicians. Secondly, Perry was cooked. And without sounding in his finest form, you can bet he'll never let those shows see the light of day.


Am I crazy? Im almost positive I have a studio production/released video at home of that tour with Randy Jackson on bass.


Saw them 5 times on that tour. He sounded great to me. Not perfection, but great.
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby artinis1 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:23 pm

the question still remains, will they ever release any archive shows
from the Perry era, all we have is Houston '81, Captured and Greatest Hits Live
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby tj » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:42 am

artinis1 wrote:the question still remains, will they ever release any archive shows
from the Perry era, all we have is Houston '81, Captured and Greatest Hits Live


I doubt it. The hits are covered in those three releases and anything else would just be for the hardcore fans. I don't think that there are enough hardcore fans left to make it economically worth doing.
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby MysteryMountain » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:54 pm

I go back to the point, where in an interview (I forget if it was Herbie or the Band), where they said EVERYTHING was filmed in those days (Infinity/Evolution/Departure). Now they're just sitting in some dimly lit, unventilated, humid cellar somewhere deteriorating away instead of being preserved, cut, & released for sale. (probably). :shock: :D
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby JourneyHard » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:46 am

MysteryMountain wrote:I go back to the point, where in an interview (I forget if it was Herbie or the Band), where they said EVERYTHING was filmed in those days (Infinity/Evolution/Departure). Now they're just sitting in some dimly lit, unventilated, humid cellar somewhere deteriorating away instead of being preserved, cut, & released for sale. (probably). :shock: :D


VH1-Classic should have gotten their hands on this. Maybe then they would still be around.
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby JourneyHard » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:52 am

The one hit song that is missing from all the official Journey live concerts released is Chain Reaction.
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby artinis1 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:59 pm

Also Be Good To Yourself, Only The Young and Ask The Lonely
from the Perry era
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby scarab » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:06 pm

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqumqk ... 1986_music


Still wonder how the very deep voiced jackson and the bland cain pulled off the high voiced backing vocals!
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby Memorex » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:21 pm

scarab wrote:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqumqk_journey-be-good-to-yourself-live-1986_music


Still wonder how the very deep voiced jackson and the bland cain pulled off the high voiced backing vocals!


I was lucky enough to be there that day. Feel free to correct me, but I'm 99.9% sure that show had backing tracks.
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby FamilyMan » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:43 am

MysteryMountain wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:
artinis1 wrote:With the HOF, it would be great if they released a live box set,
79-80 show different from Captured
81 show different from Houston maybe Tokyo
83 show
86 show

Not sure all the parties could get together on this one, also I
believe the Vegas shows featuring Escape and Frontiers in full
will be released like the Styx Grand Illusion/PO8 DVD/CDs


The '86 tour will never be released for a myriad of reasons. For starters, I'm sure Smitty and Ross don't want to remind the world they were replaced by two studio session musicians. Secondly, Perry was cooked. And without sounding in his finest form, you can bet he'll never let those shows see the light of day.


Am I crazy? Im almost positive I have a studio production/released video at home of that tour with Randy Jackson on bass.


To my knowledge, the only thing released was the NFL Films/Raised on Radio documentary which included live versions of "Girl Can't Help It" and "I'll Be Alright Without You" - both of which were on the Time3 release. My guess is those were the only tracks Perry ever signed off on.
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby artinis1 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:48 am

Why don't they just release the ROR live concert
on both DVD and Cd, we ain't getting any
younger, they should do the same for the
Frontiers tour as well, c'mon
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby George_g888 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:18 am


To my knowledge, the only thing released was the NFL Films/Raised on Radio documentary which included live versions of "Girl Can't Help It" and "I'll Be Alright Without You" - both of which were on the Time3 release. My guess is those were the only tracks Perry ever signed off on.


The song Raised on Radio was also shown live in the documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJayuBAQ0iI
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby MysteryMountain » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:47 am

This is the video I was talking about:

https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Greatest ... B0000TGADW

Track List:

(ROR Live performances featured Randy on bass & Mike Baird on drums)

- Don't Stop Believin', recorded 1981 - Live, Escape tour .
- Wheel In The Sky, recorded 1978 .
- Faithfully, recorded 1983 .
- Any Way You Want It, recorded 1981, Live, Escape tour .
- Separate Ways, recorded 1983 .
- Lights, recorded 1978 .
- Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin', recorded 1979 .
- Be Good To Yourself, recorded 1986, Live, Raised on Radio Tour Mountain Aire Festival . https://youtu.be/5PZxhOtO01g
- When You Love A Woman, recorded 1996 .
- Who's Crying Now, recorded 1981, Live, Escape tour .
- Send Her My Love, recorded 1983 .
- Girl Can't Help It, recorded 1986, Live, Raised on Radio Tour Mountain Aire Festival .
- Open Arms, recorded 1981, Live, Escape tour .
- Just The Same Way, recorded 1980 .
- Stone In Love, recorded 1981, Live, Escape tour .
- Feeling That Way, recorded 1978 .
- After The Fall, recorded 1983 .
- I'll Be Alright Without You, recorded 1986, Live, Raised on Radio Tour, Atlanta GA
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby Loneman1 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:31 pm

For some reason there has always been a bit of a speed issue on this release. I remember years ago talking to the guy that produced "Departing the Firey Summit" during my trading days and I think we found the right speed version.....not positive on that since its been like a lifetime since then. SOLID show overall, and yeah, that one show alone should have been the release, not the one that ended up being "Captured".
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby artinis1 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:22 am

Add another disc to Captured

Loving you is easy
Daydreams
Lady Luck
When Your Alone
People and Places
Precious Time
Patiently
Opened The Door
Winds of March
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Re: Houston 4-12-80

Postby tj » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:46 am

artinis1 wrote:Add another disc to Captured

Loving you is easy
Daydreams
Lady Luck
When Your Alone
People and Places
Precious Time
Patiently
Opened The Door
Winds of March



People and Places, Precious Time, and Patiently are in my current top 15 of favorite Journey tunes. It seems to change from season to season. :)
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