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Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:14 am
by Fact Finder
Quick turn on CNN, after the commercial they just previewed how a trip to the WH may cause Journey to breakup! Not kidding. Coming up soon..

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:02 am
by Fact Finder
Well, stupid piece by CNN..never mind, no new news, just a cliched piece using Journey songs lyrics as a prop to the piece. MTV type shit by renowned CNN journalist Jeannie Moos. :wink:

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:19 am
by Lora
FamilyMan wrote:
Marabelle wrote:This is a mess. If I was Mr Perry I would stay as far away as I could from this while it's being brewed . Although I do think people got thrown out of place with Mr Perry actually showing up and laughing talking and holding hands with Arnel that night. It seems like a dream. Amazing how you can talk about love and admiration and it is true yet you keep yourself stuck in an old familiar place of unforgiveness and pain. The ego is strong.


I see it a different way. That night was SP taking his rightful place among the best of rock's best, accepting the honor - yet humbly admitting that it was the ensemble which made it what it was. He therefore credited others. What he did with -and for- Arnel was pass the torch and say, "This isn't mine anymore. It's yours. You've earned it." It gave the fans (and HBO) permission to not run the band offstage when it became clear he wasn't going to sing with them. And, Arnel had the balls to take the torch.


Very nicely said.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:54 am
by perryswoman
I saw the post on CNN too. Bet Neal loved it lol

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:46 pm
by tater1977
Fact Finder wrote:Well, stupid piece by CNN..never mind, no new news, just a cliched piece using Journey songs lyrics as a prop to the piece. MTV type shit by renowned CNN journalist Jeannie Moos. :wink:


Here's the video of it.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017 ... in-pkg.cnn

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:39 pm
by The_Noble_Cause
FamilyMan wrote: And, Arnel had the balls to take the torch.


Such balls. :roll: What is he going to do? Hide in his dressing room? If I was getting paid what he is getting paid, I would take the torch too.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:02 am
by Greg
Did you guys see the TMZ video of Jon Cain? When asked about Journey breaking up, Jon flat out refuted the idea and said, "The band is not breaking up." Wow! Power struggle!

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:46 am
by brywool
What doesn't make sense to me is this:

Everyone knows Neal's pissed off. Everyone knows what happened and how it was represented - either by AP/RV/JC (?) or by the media. Why does Neal continue, every single day, to fan the flames? The rest of the band knows yer pissed. You've obviously talked to lawyers and stuff. Why not let it go at this point? Just seems like you're happy to keep the bad vibes going. If you're all about Journey, then I don't get that. I guarantee that on Neal's FB/Twitter pages, most of the followers will support Neal. On Arnel's page, they'll support Arnel, on JCs page, etc...

Why keep the bad vibes up? Makes no sense to me and it just seems that he wants keeping this going. Everybody would've forgotten it by now if it wasn't for Neal beating this drum constantly.

I don't think it's the wives doing it, btw. There's no way a group of guys making this kinda dough in this business are gonna just let their wives take over their feeds and act as a band member and say a bunch of stuff to break up the band.

FFS- Neal, let it go and move on. Take a vacation.

Having said this, I actually agree with Neal, but I don't agree with whipping it up day after day. I also think it's pretty lame to keep banging the Steve Perry drum. While Arnel's ok with SP coming back in, those kinds of things from Neal just say "Hey Arnel, you and I both know that I and everyone else in the world would rather have Steve Perry in the band". Whether that's a fact or not, you don't do that to your current singer and you DEFINITELY don't do that to a FRIEND.

Big Neal fan here, but losing a lot of respect for him at the moment.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:20 am
by JourneyHard
Journey should play this set list from now and forever:
1. Higher Place
2. Separate Ways
3. Only The Young
4. Stone In Love
5. Edge of the Moment
6. Lights
7. Open Arms
8. Feeling That Way
9. Anytime
10. Remember Me
11. Who's Cryin' Now
12. Change for the Better
13. Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
14. Escape
15. Wheel in the Sky
16. Faithfully
17. Don't Stop Believin'
18. Any Way You Want It

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:10 am
by Onestepper
brywool wrote:What doesn't make sense to me is this:

Everyone knows Neal's pissed off. Everyone knows what happened and how it was represented - either by AP/RV/JC (?) or by the media. Why does Neal continue, every single day, to fan the flames? The rest of the band knows yer pissed. You've obviously talked to lawyers and stuff. Why not let it go at this point? Just seems like you're happy to keep the bad vibes going. If you're all about Journey, then I don't get that. I guarantee that on Neal's FB/Twitter pages, most of the followers will support Neal. On Arnel's page, they'll support Arnel, on JCs page, etc...

Why keep the bad vibes up? Makes no sense to me and it just seems that he wants keeping this going. Everybody would've forgotten it by now if it wasn't for Neal beating this drum constantly.

I don't think it's the wives doing it, btw. There's no way a group of guys making this kinda dough in this business are gonna just let their wives take over their feeds and act as a band member and say a bunch of stuff to break up the band.

FFS- Neal, let it go and move on. Take a vacation.

Having said this, I actually agree with Neal, but I don't agree with whipping it up day after day. I also think it's pretty lame to keep banging the Steve Perry drum. While Arnel's ok with SP coming back in, those kinds of things from Neal just say "Hey Arnel, you and I both know that I and everyone else in the world would rather have Steve Perry in the band". Whether that's a fact or not, you don't do that to your current singer and you DEFINITELY don't do that to a FRIEND.

Big Neal fan here, but losing a lot of respect for him at the moment.


Probably the same reason that Perry has insisted only communicating through his lawyers for over a decade, and completely ignoring all of Neal and band's overtures...because they are all ego maniacs that can't grow up long enough to put their drama aside. And why should they? They have all spent their lives hearing non stop how great they are, and how much they walk on water. Why should they act like real adults when what they are doing is working just fine?

How you and I behave in the real world is most likely always going to be different than how these guys behave. On one hand, it makes no sense. But on the other hand, it makes perfect sense.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:20 am
by SusieP
brywool wrote:
I don't think it's the wives doing it, btw. There's no way a group of guys making this kinda dough in this business are gonna just let their wives take over their feeds and act as a band member and say a bunch of stuff to break up the band.

FFS- Neal, let it go and move on. Take a vacation.

Having said this, I actually agree with Neal, but I don't agree with whipping it up day after day. I also think it's pretty lame to keep banging the Steve Perry drum. While Arnel's ok with SP coming back in, those kinds of things from Neal just say "Hey Arnel, you and I both know that I and everyone else in the world would rather have Steve Perry in the band". Whether that's a fact or not, you don't do that to your current singer and you DEFINITELY don't do that to a FRIEND.

Big Neal fan here, but losing a lot of respect for him at the moment.


It may not be the wives actually doing the typing of the posts but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't influencing their husbands thoughts on the matter. And both ladies look to me to be quite strong in their ways.
Drip, drip, drip goes the poison into the husband's ear.
Making bullets for the guys to fire.

Neal's angry. Understandable.
But maybe if Neal's wife wasn't a reality tv personality her default setting would not be to air thoughts on social media. It would be, stay off Twitter/facebook until you have had time to think before you post.


Hope you are well, Bry, by the way. :)

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:34 am
by SusieP
Onestepper wrote:
brywool wrote:
Probably the same reason that Perry has insisted only communicating through his lawyers for over a decade, and completely ignoring all of Neal and band's overtures...because they are all ego maniacs that can't grow up long enough to put their drama aside. And why should they? They have all spent their lives hearing non stop how great they are, and how much they walk on water. Why should they act like real adults when what they are doing is working just fine?

How you and I behave in the real world is most likely always going to be different than how these guys behave. On one hand, it makes no sense. But on the other hand, it makes perfect sense.



I loved how SP made a mention of his Lawyers at the Hall of Fame ceremony.
:D


And as you say, Neal has made clear his displeasure on a public forum.
Everyone has got the message.
Time to let it drop now and talk about it face to face with the White House visitors and Management.

I understand why Neal is furious. I don't want Politics and religion in the music I listen to.
But what I don't know is what Neal wants to happen now?
A public apology?
A public acknowledgement that a long standing agreement had been ignored etc?
Will either of these things resolve this?

Or does he believe the stone has been fractured beyond repair and cannot be stuck back together with Duct Tape?

Interesting goings on.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:17 am
by ebake02
Greg wrote:Did you guys see the TMZ video of Jon Cain? When asked about Journey breaking up, Jon flat out refuted the idea and said, "The band is not breaking up." Wow! Power struggle!


I'm sure this isn't the first Neal Schon temper tantrum that he's dealt with over the last 35 years. I'm thinking that's why he's been keeping his mouth shut so far, he has probably learned over the years to ignore them until Neal finds something better to occupy his time. I can only imagine the tantrum when Steve wouldn't make up his mind about getting his hip fixed.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:25 am
by Journey/Survivor
brywool wrote:Why does Neal continue, every single day, to fan the flames? The rest of the band knows yer pissed. You've obviously talked to lawyers and stuff. Why not let it go at this point? Just seems like you're happy to keep the bad vibes going. If you're all about Journey, then I don't get that. I guarantee that on Neal's FB/Twitter pages, most of the followers will support Neal. On Arnel's page, they'll support Arnel, on JCs page, etc...

Why keep the bad vibes up? Makes no sense to me and it just seems that he wants keeping this going. Everybody would've forgotten it by now if it wasn't for Neal beating this drum constantly.

I don't think it's the wives doing it, btw. There's no way a group of guys making this kinda dough in this business are gonna just let their wives take over their feeds and act as a band member and say a bunch of stuff to break up the band.


Publicity! That's why Neal is continuing on with this charade. And no-one can deny this is getting huge publicity for the band. A band that already planned on taking this long break a few years ago.

As they say, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." Personally I hate that that is the case. Ideally everyone would have enough class and dignity to not do bad things for publicity. But greed makes many people do many bad things.

I agree with you that Journey (Or anyone who's making that kind of money) would not allow their meddling wives to end the gravy-train for them. But I definitely do believe that the two con-artists that are Jonathan and Neal's wives are heavily involved in this publicity stunt. And it's obvious to me that Neal is not the person who is typing all of his internet posts.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:30 am
by Journey/Survivor
And don't forget that in addition to getting Journey publicity, Neal also plans on releasing 3 solo albums in 2018, which he wants people to buy.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:50 pm
by slucero
Journey fans don't even buy Journey albums anymore...

Neals solo stuff that got bought had radio hits.. like "No More Lies" from Schon-Hammer, and that was 1982

Unless he's gonna make a album of sing-along songs....Pretty sure Neal is not expecting 20-something, Dirty Dozen, lay-Journey fans to buy his solo stuff...

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:12 am
by Art Vandelay
My thought…Journey may soon be following the path of the Beach Boys. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

The Journey brand, whether we like it or not, is now defined by live performances of the greatest hits. Watch any live video and it's obvious by the "nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nahs" and "woh-oh--oh-oohhhhsss!" being sung by the crowd. The majority doesn't want new music, they want the classics. Any chance of redefining a live Journey performance now would be the final nail in the band's coffin.

If both Jonathan and Neal decide to each carry on the band's legacy in their own way, one would have to follow the classic Journey blueprint. Between the two, Neal has more name recognition, so he would have better success separating himself from the Journey banner. More people would go see 'Neal Schon's JRNY' than they would 'Jonathan Cain of Journey'.

So, in my opinion, the best solution would be to split up into two camps. Jonathan, Ross and Arnel (if he's still up to it) follow the Mike Love path and tour under the Journey banner. They continue to give the greatest hits crowd the jukebox show, teaming up with the other classic rock bands on the summer shed tours. Neal follows the Brian Wilson path and starts up his JRNY project, which gives him the freedom to play what he wants, with who he wants (revolving musicians would be cool), with no opening acts, in a more intimate setting. There are no set expectations to hear a greatest hits show from him. He could dig as deep as he wants. Hell, he doesn't even have to bring on another Perry clone. Maybe rethink some of the dirty dozen, get a bluesy singer in there to give it a whole new fresh treatment. Aynsley Dunbar's band recorded a roadhouse blues version of La Do Da. Sure, I prefer the original, but his band's version held its own.

Everyone's happy, and the audience gets what they want, when they want. And we'll see them all together again at the 50th anniversary reunion tour.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:16 am
by The_Noble_Cause
slucero wrote:Journey fans don't even buy Journey albums anymore...

Neals solo stuff that got bought had radio hits.. like "No More Lies" from Schon-Hammer, and that was 1982

Unless he's gonna make a album of sing-along songs....Pretty sure Neal is not expecting 20-something, Dirty Dozen, lay-Journey fans to buy his solo stuff...


Since marrying Michaela (sp?), Neal's antics haven't really been publicity in search of sales. Just publicity for the sake of publicity.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:28 am
by tj
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
slucero wrote:Journey fans don't even buy Journey albums anymore...

Neals solo stuff that got bought had radio hits.. like "No More Lies" from Schon-Hammer, and that was 1982

Unless he's gonna make a album of sing-along songs....Pretty sure Neal is not expecting 20-something, Dirty Dozen, lay-Journey fans to buy his solo stuff...


Since marrying Michaela (sp?), Neal's antics haven't really been publicity in search of sales. Just publicity for the sake of publicity.


That seems to be her MO. Sort of Khardashianesque.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:22 am
by FamilyMan
tj wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
slucero wrote:Journey fans don't even buy Journey albums anymore...

Neals solo stuff that got bought had radio hits.. like "No More Lies" from Schon-Hammer, and that was 1982

Unless he's gonna make a album of sing-along songs....Pretty sure Neal is not expecting 20-something, Dirty Dozen, lay-Journey fans to buy his solo stuff...


Since marrying Michaela (sp?), Neal's antics haven't really been publicity in search of sales. Just publicity for the sake of publicity.


That seems to be her MO. Sort of Khardashianesque.


I can assure you the band's publicist and management are not in favor of this.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:05 am
by The_Noble_Cause
FamilyMan wrote:I can assure you the band's publicist and management are not in favor of this.


So why did they allow an official music video promoting Eclipse featuring Neal and Michaela frolicking on the beach? It was pure reality TV-type smut.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:25 am
by scarab
I love Resonate, best Journey Rocker since Sep Ways, but even after the horrid video with neal and his wife rolling around on the beach still makes me wanna hurl. Ok Sep Ways video was bad as well, but in a campy way.
It sucks I cannot listen to Resonate without picturing the video.

for those that wanna hurl: :lol:

better than ipecac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30kTck4hCLI

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:28 am
by bellairepark73
Art Vandelay wrote:Everyone's happy, and the audience gets what they want, when they want. And we'll see them all together again at the 50th anniversary reunion tour.


Are you serious? Are my calculations off or would someone be dead or in a retirement home? Like Gregg or Steve? He really wouldn't show up then. :lol:

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:38 am
by Art Vandelay
bellairepark73 wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Everyone's happy, and the audience gets what they want, when they want. And we'll see them all together again at the 50th anniversary reunion tour.


Are you serious? Are my calculations off or would someone be dead or in a retirement home? Like Gregg or Steve? He really wouldn't show up then. :lol:


Yeah...I was just bringing the Beach Boys comparison full circle. Pardon my sense of humor.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:04 am
by FamilyMan
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:I can assure you the band's publicist and management are not in favor of this.


So why did they allow an official music video promoting Eclipse featuring Neal and Michaela frolicking on the beach? It was pure reality TV-type smut.


I was referring only to the latest war of words.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:54 am
by tj
FamilyMan wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:I can assure you the band's publicist and management are not in favor of this.


So why did they allow an official music video promoting Eclipse featuring Neal and Michaela frolicking on the beach? It was pure reality TV-type smut.


I was referring only to the latest war of words.


I don't see how anyone thinks either the video or the latest are the best way to help the band.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:11 pm
by koberry
What an amazing song and performance. The beach scenes with Michaele seared my retinas ahead of this week's ECL1P53

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:41 pm
by The_Noble_Cause
tj wrote:I don't see how anyone thinks either the video or the latest are the best way to help the band.


I don't really think Management cares about this band at all. When the SA lineup appeared on the reality show Blind Date, the show pretty much made fun of the band. Management should have had control over the final edit.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:29 pm
by Jana
scarab wrote:I love Resonate, best Journey Rocker since Sep Ways, but even after the horrid video with neal and his wife rolling around on the beach still makes me wanna hurl. Ok Sep Ways video was bad as well, but in a campy way.
It sucks I cannot listen to Resonate without picturing the video.

for those that wanna hurl: :lol:

better than ipecac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30kTck4hCLI


You'd have to pay me a million dollars to watch that. The first viewing when it came out was painful enough.

Re: Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:42 am
by JourneyHard
The Little Caesars Arena opens up soon in Detroit. Little Caesars is famous for Pizza! Pizza! which meant you got two pizzas for one low price. Maybe the Little Caesars Arena can host Journey! Journey! which would be Jon's Journey and Neal's JRNY on the same bill. Oh sorry :D