The_Noble_Cause wrote:Both Arnel and Smitty should run as far away from this burning dumpster fire as fast as they can.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Both Arnel and Smitty should run as far away from this burning dumpster fire as fast as they can.
tj wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:Both Arnel and Smitty should run as far away from this burning dumpster fire as fast as they can.
If Arnel is still the humble guy he was when he started this, then not making the same cash as he is now shouldn't be a problem. He is a national hero in the Philippines and can make a really good living there singing whatever he wants for the rest of his life.
If he goes, Neal has a much bigger problem. A 4th Post-Perry singer for Journey isn't going to bring in a lot of fans, IMO. Going to YouTube to find another will be like the INXS thing years ago where they tried to get a new lead singer on a reality show. No matter who is chosen, the Arnel type story is a once in a lifetime thing.
tater1977 wrote:Broadway Boys w/ Mr. Arnel Pineda | August 12, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fgMw8w4VS8
Archetype wrote:Arnel could live comfortably for the rest of his life doing stuff like this.
Archetype wrote:Neal is really being a dick about Arnel visiting the White House. Senseless since Arnel even stated that he's apolitical and just saw it as a great opportunity to immerse himself in American history and culture. I hope he does walk away from Journey if Neal doesn't get pushed out.
Pacfanweb wrote:Archetype wrote:Neal is really being a dick about Arnel visiting the White House. Senseless since Arnel even stated that he's apolitical and just saw it as a great opportunity to immerse himself in American history and culture. I hope he does walk away from Journey if Neal doesn't get pushed out.
I also wonder if it's his wife more than Neal.
That's why I hate when bands/band members, actors or other celebs get political. Most of them are idiots outside of their craft. Typically little to no education, they hit it big, then when they grow up a bit they start wanting to be taken more seriously for things other than what they actually got famous for.
Keep it to yourself, and STFU.
I do wonder if Obama was still President, if the Schons would be making such a fuss about it, though. I'd be willing to put significant money on "no". And that makes what Neal (really his wife) is doing about as bad as what he's mad about.
Pacfanweb wrote:Archetype wrote:Neal is really being a dick about Arnel visiting the White House. Senseless since Arnel even stated that he's apolitical and just saw it as a great opportunity to immerse himself in American history and culture. I hope he does walk away from Journey if Neal doesn't get pushed out.
I also wonder if it's his wife more than Neal.
That's why I hate when bands/band members, actors or other celebs get political. Most of them are idiots outside of their craft. Typically little to no education, they hit it big, then when they grow up a bit they start wanting to be taken more seriously for things other than what they actually got famous for.
Keep it to yourself, and STFU.
I do wonder if Obama was still President, if the Schons would be making such a fuss about it, though. I'd be willing to put significant money on "no". And that makes what Neal (really his wife) is doing about as bad as what he's mad about.
slucero wrote:..maybe Arnel should do a covers album of the soings he used to cover before Journey...
JBlake wrote:slucero wrote:..maybe Arnel should do a covers album of the soings he used to cover before Journey...
But in order to do that, wouldn't he have to get authorization from those who own the rights to those songs first? I'm not sure he could do that for too many of the songs he and the Zoo did. And the ones that he could get, how much in royalties would they ask for, now that AP is where he is now in the music world?
slucero wrote:JBlake wrote:slucero wrote:..maybe Arnel should do a covers album of the soings he used to cover before Journey...
But in order to do that, wouldn't he have to get authorization from those who own the rights to those songs first? I'm not sure he could do that for too many of the songs he and the Zoo did. And the ones that he could get, how much in royalties would they ask for, now that AP is where he is now in the music world?
Covering a song is a fixed fee, the price is the same to Arnel or you.
To record a cover song in the U.S. to be sold in the U.S., locate the publisher, serve them with proper notice and obtain permission, and pay the statutory royalty rate.
JourneyHard wrote:I still think it's Neal's wife putting up a stink about Arnel visiting white house. She cannot put her political views under a rug for even one second.
WalrusOct9 wrote:JourneyHard wrote:I still think it's Neal's wife putting up a stink about Arnel visiting white house. She cannot put her political views under a rug for even one second.
Neal isn't the band member with a wife who literally works for the white house.
WalrusOct9 wrote:JourneyHard wrote:I still think it's Neal's wife putting up a stink about Arnel visiting white house. She cannot put her political views under a rug for even one second.
Neal isn't the band member with a wife who literally works for the white house.
JBlake wrote:I'm surprised. I would have thought that the owner of the rights to the songs could charge whatever they wished.
In regards to the idea of them doing a cover album, I don't really think that would do too well. If anything, he could regroup with the old band members if possible along with maybe a few new members and do an all original album. Maybe throw in one or two covers that have been changed up a little. But I think the focus should be original music.
Also according to this thread, So Neal is upset at AP for going to the WH? Is Neal also having issues with other members of the band? If so, that doesn't seem good.
slucero wrote:JBlake wrote:I'm surprised. I would have thought that the owner of the rights to the songs could charge whatever they wished.
In regards to the idea of them doing a cover album, I don't really think that would do too well. If anything, he could regroup with the old band members if possible along with maybe a few new members and do an all original album. Maybe throw in one or two covers that have been changed up a little. But I think the focus should be original music.
Also according to this thread, So Neal is upset at AP for going to the WH? Is Neal also having issues with other members of the band? If so, that doesn't seem good.
the truth for Arnel is that outside of Journey he'll likely not have much of a career...
tj wrote:slucero wrote:JBlake wrote:I'm surprised. I would have thought that the owner of the rights to the songs could charge whatever they wished.
In regards to the idea of them doing a cover album, I don't really think that would do too well. If anything, he could regroup with the old band members if possible along with maybe a few new members and do an all original album. Maybe throw in one or two covers that have been changed up a little. But I think the focus should be original music.
Also according to this thread, So Neal is upset at AP for going to the WH? Is Neal also having issues with other members of the band? If so, that doesn't seem good.
the truth for Arnel is that outside of Journey he'll likely not have much of a career...
Perhaps not in the US, but in the Philippines, he is set for life. The only other famous Filipinos are Imelda Marcos and ...
slucero wrote:tj wrote:
whilst I agree.. There's a difference between having a career and being set for life..
Anyone who has followed Arnel would know his 10 years in Journey have made him a wealthy man in the PI. That isn't news... That also has nothing to do with having a career...
Cain doesn't want to make new music because he sees no return from it.. thinks its a money losing proposition. For Arnel this is worse.. becasue no one outside of a few US and overseas Phillipino fans will offset the cost of new music from Arnel by even buying it. If Journey can't make money from new music (with Arnel as the singer) then his chances of doing so with his own music are nil.
This 9 city tour is in the USA... so I'd bet this is also a test to see if Arnel can get any possible traction, at all, as a solo artist in the USA. His association with Journey is his only claim to fame, and if Journey can't even leveraged their own name for themselves with new music.. it's isn't logical to assume Arnel can.
Arnel isn't ever going back to the PI and doing covers in bars again, but in the US it's unlikely that he'll be selling out venues as a solo act either.... unless its in a his own band, doing Journey covers... and why do that for less money, when you can do that for a lot more, in the original band?
JBlake wrote:slucero wrote:tj wrote:
whilst I agree.. There's a difference between having a career and being set for life..
Anyone who has followed Arnel would know his 10 years in Journey have made him a wealthy man in the PI. That isn't news... That also has nothing to do with having a career...
Cain doesn't want to make new music because he sees no return from it.. thinks its a money losing proposition. For Arnel this is worse.. becasue no one outside of a few US and overseas Phillipino fans will offset the cost of new music from Arnel by even buying it. If Journey can't make money from new music (with Arnel as the singer) then his chances of doing so with his own music are nil.
This 9 city tour is in the USA... so I'd bet this is also a test to see if Arnel can get any possible traction, at all, as a solo artist in the USA. His association with Journey is his only claim to fame, and if Journey can't even leveraged their own name for themselves with new music.. it's isn't logical to assume Arnel can.
Arnel isn't ever going back to the PI and doing covers in bars again, but in the US it's unlikely that he'll be selling out venues as a solo act either.... unless its in a his own band, doing Journey covers... and why do that for less money, when you can do that for a lot more, in the original band?
You're probably right about most of all that. One thing I would question though is (in bold), if he's doing a tour coming up soon which is going to be covers, I would speculate that he will continue to do covers in the Philippines for some time to come. He may very well do originals as well. But I think from his history, he is very happy to do covers and has been doing a very good job with them in the Philippines. I would even go as far to speculate that he loves singing so much and it's been everything in his entire life, he'd probably have some type of televised show where he sings originals and covers alike. Sort of like a variety show. I could totally see that happening, and in the Philippines that would most likely be a huge success for some time to come.
carleysdad wrote:I've heard some clips from Arnel's solo album and it is horrible. The vocals themselves are okay, but the songwriting, lyrics, and backing tracks are about as bad as it gets.
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