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Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:24 am
by scarab
Been listening to a lot of the Rolie era of Journey lately and this song has renewed my love for the schon/perry collaboration, with Rolie, Smith, and Valory, how this this did not become a charted single is beyond me. Even better live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPOnHh8yOsg

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:22 pm
by bellairepark73
scarab wrote:Been listening to a lot of the Rolie era of Journey lately and this song has renewed my love for the schon/perry collaboration, with Rolie, Smith, and Valory, how this this did not become a charted single is beyond me. Even better live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPOnHh8yOsg


Absolutely. I have real respect for this era.

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:18 am
by taysam
scarab wrote:Been listening to a lot of the Rolie era of Journey lately and this song has renewed my love for the schon/perry collaboration, with Rolie, Smith, and Valory, how this this did not become a charted single is beyond me. Even better live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPOnHh8yOsg


Go on Spotify or search for the "Journey - Legends Live in Concert, Volume 39.

The music through Departure was the reason I became a fan! The times that Jon tries to do any of the songs Rolie took lead on make me cringe!

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:12 am
by HydraRed
I've got about 50 bootleg shows, and the Rolie era shows are what I listen to the most. Great song selection, especially around the Evolution era.

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:12 pm
by MysteryMountain
Very few bigger fans than me for the Rolie era, more so the very beginning, but I digress. As for Too Late, maybe because it's like 2 minutes long? :lol: Great tune, but very short in terms of a single, but still a great song.

"Studio Version" canned video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy6fEQ55qUs

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:12 pm
by Aaron
It's WAY better than the post Rolie era.

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:55 am
by Onestepper
MysteryMountain wrote:Very few bigger fans than me for the Rolie era, more so the very beginning, but I digress. As for Too Late, maybe because it's like 2 minutes long? :lol: Great tune, but very short in terms of a single, but still a great song.

"Studio Version" canned video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy6fEQ55qUs


Perry's stage presence during those days always makes me chuckle a bit. He looks like a model posing for some glamour magazine.

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:26 am
by scarab
same (tv) show? anyone know where?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQeg9T-wzik

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:44 am
by perryfan61
scarab wrote:same (tv) show? anyone know where?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQeg9T-wzik



One comment said that it was from the Midnight 79 show.....?

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:42 am
by scarab
perryfan61 wrote:
scarab wrote:same (tv) show? anyone know where?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQeg9T-wzik



One comment said that it was from the Midnight 79 show.....?


maybe the did another one, but in this 79 special they did LTS/COTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUYsy2MD54

Perry with a more repectable outfit, :lol:

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:14 am
by Greg
Loved "Too Late". A lot of good songs back in that area. Natural Thing, Little Girl, Lights, Anyway You Want It, etc....

On a side note, I absolutely love The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) from Captured. Is this the first song with Cain in the band, or did Rolie play on this tune? I still associate it with the Rolie era even though it may not have necessarily been him on the song playing.

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:07 am
by perryfan61
Greg wrote:Loved "Too Late". A lot of good songs back in that area. Natural Thing, Little Girl, Lights, Anyway You Want It, etc....

On a side note, I absolutely love The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) from Captured. Is this the first song with Cain in the band, or did Rolie play on this tune? I still associate it with the Rolie era even though it may not have necessarily been him on the song playing.


Gregg is named in the credits for this song, so he was still around when it came out.

Stevie "Keys"Roseman is listed as an additional musician for this song, on acoustic piano and keyboards.

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:16 am
by Memorex
perryfan61 wrote:
Greg wrote:Loved "Too Late". A lot of good songs back in that area. Natural Thing, Little Girl, Lights, Anyway You Want It, etc....

On a side note, I absolutely love The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) from Captured. Is this the first song with Cain in the band, or did Rolie play on this tune? I still associate it with the Rolie era even though it may not have necessarily been him on the song playing.


Gregg is named in the credits for this song, so he was still around when it came out.

On the Party's Over? I don't think so. Perry as sole writer. Roseman on keyboards. I read it was written during soundchecks, so I Imagine Rolie was involved somehow. But I don't think in the recording of it. Nor was it Cain. I think it was right there in between. Neal recently said it was Perry on bass as well, not Ross I believe.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_%22Keys%22_Roseman

In between the departure of original keyboardist Gregg Rolie from Santana and the arrival of Jonathan Cain from The Babys he was invited to play keyboards on the track "The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love)" on the 1981 live Journey release Captured.[1] This same track appears on the package set TimeĀ³ and the 2001 compilation The Essential Journey.

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:24 am
by perryfan61
Memorex wrote:
perryfan61 wrote:
Greg wrote:Loved "Too Late". A lot of good songs back in that area. Natural Thing, Little Girl, Lights, Anyway You Want It, etc....

On a side note, I absolutely love The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) from Captured. Is this the first song with Cain in the band, or did Rolie play on this tune? I still associate it with the Rolie era even though it may not have necessarily been him on the song playing.


Gregg is named in the credits for this song, so he was still around when it came out.

On the Party's Over? I don't think so. Perry as sole writer. Roseman on keyboards. I read it was written during soundchecks, so I Imagine Rolie was involved somehow. But I don't think in the recording of it. Nor was it Cain. I think it was right there in between. Neal recently said it was Perry on bass as well, not Ross I believe.


I meant Rollie was named as being with the band, not that he helped write the song. Sorry for the misunderstanding :cry:

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:44 pm
by bellairepark73
Memorex wrote:
perryfan61 wrote:
Greg wrote:Loved "Too Late". A lot of good songs back in that area. Natural Thing, Little Girl, Lights, Anyway You Want It, etc....

On a side note, I absolutely love The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) from Captured. Is this the first song with Cain in the band, or did Rolie play on this tune? I still associate it with the Rolie era even though it may not have necessarily been him on the song playing.


Gregg is named in the credits for this song, so he was still around when it came out.

On the Party's Over? I don't think so. Perry as sole writer. Roseman on keyboards. I read it was written during soundchecks, so I Imagine Rolie was involved somehow. But I don't think in the recording of it. Nor was it Cain. I think it was right there in between. Neal recently said it was Perry on bass as well, not Ross I believe.


From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_%22Keys%22_Roseman

In between the departure of original keyboardist Gregg Rolie from Santana and the arrival of Jonathan Cain from The Babys he was invited to play keyboards on the track "The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love)" on the 1981 live Journey release Captured.[1] This same track appears on the package set TimeĀ³ and the 2001 compilation The Essential Journey.


Precisely...Neal responded in a tweet that Perry wrote it via bass. I assumed Ross recorded it in the studio but it could have been Perry since he does play bass. Maybe someone can ask him again just to clarify?

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:12 am
by Greg
Thanks guys! I probably knew this since I had owned the Times 3 boxset. I was just thinking about Rolie era music, and remembered that this song sounded more closely related to something you'd hear from the Cain era. It's an awesome song and one of my favorites from early Journey.

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:15 am
by tj
Onestepper wrote:
MysteryMountain wrote:Very few bigger fans than me for the Rolie era, more so the very beginning, but I digress. As for Too Late, maybe because it's like 2 minutes long? :lol: Great tune, but very short in terms of a single, but still a great song.

"Studio Version" canned video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy6fEQ55qUs


Perry's stage presence during those days always makes me chuckle a bit. He looks like a model posing for some glamour magazine.


I never have been a fan of Perry's stage persona, particularly the pre-Escape years. It always seemed too contrived. I did like the video for Strung Out.

Re: Gregg Rolie era

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:03 am
by MysteryMountain
tj wrote:
Onestepper wrote:
MysteryMountain wrote:Very few bigger fans than me for the Rolie era, more so the very beginning, but I digress. As for Too Late, maybe because it's like 2 minutes long? :lol: Great tune, but very short in terms of a single, but still a great song.

"Studio Version" canned video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy6fEQ55qUs


Perry's stage presence during those days always makes me chuckle a bit. He looks like a model posing for some glamour magazine.


I never have been a fan of Perry's stage persona, particularly the pre-Escape years. It always seemed too contrived. I did like the video for Strung Out.


Probably why he started playing a cowbell, thus ruining NEXT