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15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby tater1977 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:17 am

15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red 13′

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Journey's 2001 album Arrival became a victim of the then-new file sharing frenzy, and they suddenly found themselves without a label. That provided the perfect opening to try something different.

"Arrival was our last issue for the CBS/Sony contract," long-time bassist Ross Valory told the Toledo Blade in 2004, "and unfortunately, it was completed in August 2000 and within a week it ended up on Napster – seven months before its release date! It's hard to say whether it was because of Napster or whether people were not interested in the new music. No one will ever know."

Co-founding guitarist Neal Schon was certain, however, that he wasn't going to accept a low-ball follow-up offer from his long-time label. Instead, Journey issued Red 13, an independent EP created just for their fans, on Nov. 26, 2002.

“We had just decided not to re-sign with Sony, because they brought us a ridiculous deal," Schon told the now-defunct Urban Tulsa Weekly in 2009. "It was terrible. So, we made that record up on the spot, and it was really an experiment to see how you can market yourself."

The EP also helped solidify Steve Augeri's place in the band. The singer, who succeeded Steve Perry in 1998, co-wrote all four songs with Schon and Jonathan Cain. Additional contributions came from Gary Cirimelli, Andre Pessis, Taylor Rhodes and Geoff Tate of Queensryche fame. Much of it – in particular, the expansive opening title song – harkened back to their more adventurous early days. They only slowed down for one ballad.

"It's very energetic, really pretty rocking new stuff," Schon told the Honolulu Star-Bulletin in 2002. "Not quite as poppy, it's more along the lines of when we were being a bit more experimental with the rock stuff on the Frontiers record. It's kind of cool now that we're not signed with Sony anymore [because] we're in control of our own destiny, and I really love the feeling of that right now."

As much as their decades-long association had bolstered Journey, Schon had begun to feel constrained by Columbia's expectations. "There was no one from the major label breathing down our necks, saying what we should be playing and not playing," Schon told the Toledo Blade in 2002. "We sound dignified again. Red 13 really showcases us again instrumentally as well as vocally. ... This is probably one of the most creative things we've done in a while."

"The Time" was a churning, atmospheric rocker, while "I Can Breathe" built into a soaring plateau. "Walking Away From the Edge," the ballad co-written with Tate, was a hold over from the Arrival sessions. In fact, it featured one of Augeri's first vocals with his new band.

"That was absolutely amazing – just amazing," Augeri told Melodic Rock in 2003. "The week that I went out to audition, we recorded four Journey songs and we recorded about four new songs. And one of them was a song they had written with Geoff." Augeri described "Walking Away From the Edge" as "spectacular, stellar ... just brilliant. And it didn't make the record and I swore it would. It had a great ethereal, great moody vibe to it. It was very Pink Floyd-ish. It had that dark thing going on."

They might not have been able to take this expansive tack without that earlier moment of misfortune, Schon admitted.

"I was not thinking of the normal way when we go into the studio and think OK, we need hooks, we need to come up with a good chorus here, we need to come up with this and that – and all of the elements you want to bring in to be heard massively all over the radio," he told the Cleveland Plain-Dealer in 2003. "I was not even thinking about getting on the radio. I was thinking about our live shows, which seem to be the most important area for us anymore, and these are songs that serve that."

Journey initially sold Red 13 through their website, but as interest built they eventually got the EP onto stores shelves in time for the holiday season. "I think we've gotten great feedback for what type of EP it is," Schon told Melodic Rock in 2003. "It was never meant to be a commercial item, just some cool new tunes to add to the live show – and they've been going over great. When we put this out, we didn't intend for it to be sold in stores. We were just going to sell it on our website and at our shows exclusively."

Meanwhile, Schon continued to blame the Arrival leak on Columbia's parent company Sony. He said an employee in Europe gave an early test pressing to a friend, who then uploaded the album to the internet. More recently, he'd also come to believe that the label was more interested in promoting Journey's incredibly popular catalog items.

"I'm not so sure they wanted [Arrival] to do well," Schon told the Plain-Dealer. "Our catalog and greatest hits package have been big sellers for those guys forever. I think they didn't want to confuse the issue with new [music]. So, when they came back to us and offered us a minuscule amount of money to do another record, I looked at the rest of the guys, and we all said: 'What for?' We decided to go our own way."

Journey didn't issue another full-length album until 2005's Generations, and when it also struggled commercially, they switched frontman again. Journey finally returned to the Billboard Top 5 with 2008's platinum-selling Revelation, the first album with singer Arnel Pineda. By then, they'd signed to the Italy-based Frontiers label.
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:21 pm

Journey didn't issue another full-length album until 2005's Generations, and when it also struggled commercially, they switched frontman again. Journey finally returned to the Billboard Top 5 with 2008's platinum-selling Revelation, the first album with singer Arnel Pineda. By then, they'd signed to the Italy-based Frontiers label.


Not accurate. In the US, as with Red 13, Revelation had no label. Walmart carried it tho.

I like Red 13, but it's only 2 new songs (State of Grace and The Time). The other 2 were recorded previously and never released. "I Can Breathe" would have been a great upbeat ending track on Arrival.
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby scarab » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:51 am

less melodic but still very good.
still wonder why WAFTE originally did not give Tate a songwriting credit.
I think originally the took Perry's away on generations too.
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby FamilyMan » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:15 am

Never quite understood the rationale for this EP - and this article doesn't make it any clearer. In the embers of the Arrival disaster, the band should have rose from the ashes and come out swinging with a full album of fresh material, not Arrival rejects or demos from Augeri's audition. But as we all know by now, the post-Perry Journey suffered (and still does to this day) from a dearth of harmonious songwriting.
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby tj » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:29 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Journey didn't issue another full-length album until 2005's Generations, and when it also struggled commercially, they switched frontman again. Journey finally returned to the Billboard Top 5 with 2008's platinum-selling Revelation, the first album with singer Arnel Pineda. By then, they'd signed to the Italy-based Frontiers label.


Not accurate. In the US, as with Red 13, Revelation had no label. Walmart carried it tho.

I like Red 13, but it's only 2 new songs (State of Grace and The Time). The other 2 were recorded previously and never released. "I Can Breathe" would have been a great upbeat ending track on Arrival.


It's certainly misleading. They had signed to Frontiers for Generations by the time Revelation came out. But they had also moved on from Frontiers by the time Revelation came out.

Hard to believe it's been almost 10 years since Revelation.
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby tj » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:32 pm

FamilyMan wrote:Never quite understood the rationale for this EP - and this article doesn't make it any clearer. In the embers of the Arrival disaster, the band should have rose from the ashes and come out swinging with a full album of fresh material, not Arrival rejects or demos from Augeri's audition. But as we all know by now, the post-Perry Journey suffered (and still does to this day) from a dearth of harmonious songwriting.


Seems that they have suffered from a dearth of harmony in general from about 1984 to this day , regardless of the members.
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby youkeepmewaiting » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:21 am

tj wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Journey didn't issue another full-length album until 2005's Generations, and when it also struggled commercially, they switched frontman again. Journey finally returned to the Billboard Top 5 with 2008's platinum-selling Revelation, the first album with singer Arnel Pineda. By then, they'd signed to the Italy-based Frontiers label.


Not accurate. In the US, as with Red 13, Revelation had no label. Walmart carried it tho.

I like Red 13, but it's only 2 new songs (State of Grace and The Time). The other 2 were recorded previously and never released. "I Can Breathe" would have been a great upbeat ending track on Arrival.


It's certainly misleading. They had signed to Frontiers for Generations by the time Revelation came out. But they had also moved on from Frontiers by the time Revelation came out.

Hard to believe it's been almost 10 years since Revelation.


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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby palabrajot » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:34 am

Mentioning Napster and the like as a reason for poor sales is a common argument, but I'm not so sure that's the case. I was one of the guilty ones who could not WAIT to hear what Journey had up their sleeves with Arrival, so I downloaded it as soon as it was available. And I listened to it non-stop. And when the album came out I bought it. Better quality, liner notes, etc... And I bought the import. And since then I have replaced it twice.
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby scarab » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:11 am

the crazy thing they released in Japan like 4 months before it was in the US. Bought the import and it was good, but the ballads sucked (except for kiss me softly) and Im not that way is one of the most odd Journey songs. Best thing of the Napster leak is we got the great World gone Wild and the good bluesy Nothin comes close with red leather pants! :lol:
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby JourneyHard » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:17 am

Maybe Neal should get Steve Perry and Gregg Rolie and do a new Journey mini-album with five songs on it. It won't happen, but it is a nice idea. I can dream. Can't I?
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby Abitaman » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:47 am

It took me a while to really get into this cd. It was the production that got me, just didn't sound clean. A couple years back I got a new music program that reads how a song is produced and you can apply that to any other song. So I went in had it learn the production of songs off Escape, Frontiers and ROR. I ended up using Escape on Red 13. I have listened to it more than ever since doing that. Styx' Cornerstone production sounds pretty good on it too.
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby Abitaman » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:47 am

It took me a while to really get into this cd. It was the production that got me, just didn't sound clean. A couple years back I got a new music program that reads how a song is produced and you can apply that to any other song. So I went in had it learn the production of songs off Escape, Frontiers and ROR. I ended up using Escape on Red 13. I have listened to it more than ever since doing that. Styx' Cornerstone production sounds pretty good on it too.
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Re: 15 Years Ago: Journey Strike Out on Their Own With 'Red

Postby WalrusOct9 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:20 am

Arrival wasn't leaked from the inside...it was leaked because the label decided to release it in Japan months ahead of anywhere else, presumably because they had no idea that Japan had the internet?
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