Tornado_Jackson wrote:It's not illegal.
You are not paying for them.
There is no transaction of funds for an unlicensed product happening here.
This is what fans do. Spread concert bootlegs. Share music.
If you don't get them here, you can get them on SoulSeek, Kazaa, Morpheus, AudioGalaxy etc etc etc etc.
Tornado_Jackson wrote:UPDATE: I have now taken the links down. Email me if you want to hear them. Some over zealous Perrypeople have seemingly taken offense at my attempts of spreading free concert recordings to the fans.
Before she reports the links or in someway gets me or the server in trouble, I am taking them down.
Email me if u want the links of where to download the amazing Deen singing.
arden wrote:
you and Perryville should do whatever you feel is in your best interest.
arden wrote:"Swapping, trading, sharing rare music files is an integral part of being a melodic rock fan in this cyber age. "
It is still an illegal bootleg recording and that is why this very download you are advertising was shut down by the official site just a few days ago. The band makes no profit from bootlegs.
"A lot of fans want to hear these songs and want to hear them live."
Then they should go to the concerts and pay the price of admission.
"Nothing you say will stop me from partaking in it. In fact, as we speak I am uploading the 1998 Journey japan show to a fellow Journey fan."
It isn't me you will answer to.
"If Andrew or a representative from Perry's mangement wishes to reprimand me, then so be it."
I'm sure they will, and you and Perryville should do whatever you feel is in your best interest.
Monker wrote:Do you realize how absolutely GREEDY this sounds? There is no money being made or lost from this....except maybe the attorney fees Journey pays.
If Journey wants to go after those people selling $50 boots of concerts, or removing them from their webspace and forum, I'm all for that. But, this just borders on over-kill and is a bit ridiculous.
It really makes me wonder if the guys of South Park read these forums. If Journey spends THIS amount of time and effort worrying about people posting a song or two, when do they have time to worry about putting on their best show, or writing the best songs they can for their next album. That's what it is supposed to be about and why they are musiciians...not protecting their profit margins and bottom line.
It's all a bit silly...especialy when fans and moderators start fighting the battle for the band.arden wrote:"Swapping, trading, sharing rare music files is an integral part of being a melodic rock fan in this cyber age. "
It is still an illegal bootleg recording and that is why this very download you are advertising was shut down by the official site just a few days ago. The band makes no profit from bootlegs.
"A lot of fans want to hear these songs and want to hear them live."
Then they should go to the concerts and pay the price of admission.
"Nothing you say will stop me from partaking in it. In fact, as we speak I am uploading the 1998 Journey japan show to a fellow Journey fan."
It isn't me you will answer to.
"If Andrew or a representative from Perry's mangement wishes to reprimand me, then so be it."
I'm sure they will, and you and Perryville should do whatever you feel is in your best interest.
arden wrote:The bigger issue is the violation of legal agreements and the ramifications for all parties concerned, not whether anyone is making any money or not.
All parties are now making an informed decision, and, as I said before, if those decisions bring legal issues down on the band...or on Perryville...I can live with that.
arden wrote:" What makes your opinion more important then mine or anybody elses?"
In the end, it won't be my opinion...or yours...that matters.
don't folks know and respect copyright laws anymore?
http://www.riaa.com/issues/copyright/laws.asp
These laws are just that Laws The artists did not write these laws but they do support them. Are we a lawless society these days? Is morality out the window? Seems pretty cut and dry. No spin here, just the facts.
arden wrote:The biggest irony in the case of this particular bootleg is that the kid responsible for recording the bootleg and creating the file and the woman at Perryville hosting it on her server are the two complaining the loudest about bootlegs on ebay in this thread at BT.
http://www.journeymusic.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/022122.html
OldJourney wrote:arden wrote:The biggest irony in the case of this particular bootleg is that the kid responsible for recording the bootleg and creating the file and the woman at Perryville hosting it on her server are the two complaining the loudest about bootlegs on ebay in this thread at BT.
http://www.journeymusic.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/022122.html
You are correct arden. And whoa is me! Turns out the kid you refer to is a college student.Don't college students study anymore?
I agree ace. This is pure and simple......It's illegal.
Arrogance... is one step away from prison.
Monker wrote:OldJourney wrote:arden wrote:The biggest irony in the case of this particular bootleg is that the kid responsible for recording the bootleg and creating the file and the woman at Perryville hosting it on her server are the two complaining the loudest about bootlegs on ebay in this thread at BT.
http://www.journeymusic.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/022122.html
You are correct arden. And whoa is me! Turns out the kid you refer to is a college student.Don't college students study anymore?
I agree ace. This is pure and simple......It's illegal.
Arrogance... is one step away from prison.
What is arrogant is fans feeling the moral superiority to act in Journey's behalf and tell other fans to do such and such or face the consequences. What is arrogant is fans feeling they have more of a blessing from Journey because Journey has asked them to act in their behalf. What is arrogant is Journey and/or Steve Perry thinking they can tell others what to do in their own webspace.
ace wrote:Arrogant is thinking that Monker knows what Journey has or has not asked fans to do.
Ebay only shuts down auctions if the owner of the copyright has authorized the agent to do so in their name. Did Monker know that?
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