atthistime wrote:And THEY all understand his reasoning, right PF? And that's what important!
atthistime wrote:And THEY all understand his reasoning, right PF? And that's what important!
LAWoman wrote:Well I don't understand his reasoning because there isn't much of it in that quote. He seems totally conflicted about Journey even now.
If Perry can manage to be in the public eye to promote a movie even though he has been saying for years that he is such a private person, I'd think he could go to the WOF ceremony for 15 minutes just to acknowledge the fans and all the work people went to getting that star. It's not about standing next to the Journey boys. It's about standing up for the fans.
Monker wrote:atthistime wrote:And THEY all understand his reasoning, right PF? And that's what important!
How can you possibly understand his reasoning when HE doesn't even understand his reasoning and is unable to fully explain it? The reasoining is in YOUR head - not Steve Perry's.
The problem with Perry (and some Perry fans) is he thinks this is all about him, or Journey. It's not. It's about THE FANS DOING SOMETHING FOR THE BAND and to recognize its history. To shy away is NOT shying away from Neal or any other member of the band. It is to not recognize that the FANS are pushing this type of recognition with these type of events. This is thumbing his nose to Journey fans - not Journey itself.
It's a LONG history -going back to the Bammies following ROR. Perry not performing at the ROR Bammies, Perry not performing at the Herbie roast, Perry not adding vocals to the box set, Perry not doing any performances to promote TBF, Perry not showing up for the Bammies Hall of Fame (or whatever). This isn't something new as you Perry fans want to believe. It has nothing to do with Perry leaving Journey. It has to do with Perry leaving Journey fans - fans of the old and the new.
LAWoman wrote:If the people here who claim they totally understand Perry and they support him no matter what he does or says would just generalize that non-judgmental view to everyone, we wouldn't have any arguments. Apparently Perry can do and say no wrong because he helped make some songs several years ago. Even though the rest of the Journey boys were right there along with him, he is untouchable because of his artistry, yet the rest of the Journey boys are subject to constant criticism. Neal was right there with Perry on every song you love. If Perry says some nonsense or his actions totally snub everyone, he is "understood". Neal is the devil no matter what he says or does. Now why is that?
PROPERRY wrote:LAWoman wrote:If the people here who claim they totally understand Perry and they support him no matter what he does or says would just generalize that non-judgmental view to everyone, we wouldn't have any arguments. Apparently Perry can do and say no wrong because he helped make some songs several years ago. Even though the rest of the Journey boys were right there along with him, he is untouchable because of his artistry, yet the rest of the Journey boys are subject to constant criticism. Neal was right there with Perry on every song you love. If Perry says some nonsense or his actions totally snub everyone, he is "understood". Neal is the devil no matter what he says or does. Now why is that?
The critizim here was from Monker & ALL directed at Steve Perry. I only responded to his message. Furthermore I did not say anything negative about Neal OR the rest of the band members in my message.
Are you upset because I did not give Neal or the other band members credit for their contribution for the music they made together in Journey???
Gee you sure don't seem to have a problem with the fact that Steve Perry was the ONE being knocked here, NOT Neal, Jon, Ross, Steve Smith, Steve A., or Deen. Where is the non-judgemental view for Perry??? I saw nothing but judgement & bad mouthing in the post Monker wrote about Steve Perry.
I believe there was "another poster" on this thread ( written in green) that equally had negative things to say towards Perry. Again where is the non-judgemental view for Perry???
And then you say "Neal is the devil no matter what he says or does" and then ask "Now why is that?
I'll say it again, Neal's name was NEVER mentioned in my message, but Steve Perry WAS heavily bad mouthed.
Yet your focus is ALL on Neal & what unfair treatment you THINK he is getting, even though I said NOTHING BAD about Neal or the other band members in my message.
Lori
LAWoman wrote:PROPERRY wrote:LAWoman wrote:If the people here who claim they totally understand Perry and they support him no matter what he does or says would just generalize that non-judgmental view to everyone, we wouldn't have any arguments. Apparently Perry can do and say no wrong because he helped make some songs several years ago. Even though the rest of the Journey boys were right there along with him, he is untouchable because of his artistry, yet the rest of the Journey boys are subject to constant criticism. Neal was right there with Perry on every song you love. If Perry says some nonsense or his actions totally snub everyone, he is "understood". Neal is the devil no matter what he says or does. Now why is that?
The critizim here was from Monker & ALL directed at Steve Perry. I only responded to his message. Furthermore I did not say anything negative about Neal OR the rest of the band members in my message.
Are you upset because I did not give Neal or the other band members credit for their contribution for the music they made together in Journey???
Gee you sure don't seem to have a problem with the fact that Steve Perry was the ONE being knocked here, NOT Neal, Jon, Ross, Steve Smith, Steve A., or Deen. Where is the non-judgemental view for Perry??? I saw nothing but judgement & bad mouthing in the post Monker wrote about Steve Perry.
I believe there was "another poster" on this thread ( written in green) that equally had negative things to say towards Perry. Again where is the non-judgemental view for Perry???
And then you say "Neal is the devil no matter what he says or does" and then ask "Now why is that?
I'll say it again, Neal's name was NEVER mentioned in my message, but Steve Perry WAS heavily bad mouthed.
Yet your focus is ALL on Neal & what unfair treatment you THINK he is getting, even though I said NOTHING BAD about Neal or the other band members in my message.
Lori
I'm not talking about this thread in particular. I am talking about ALL the threads that are always going on here. It's always the same peole who claim they totally understand Perry, no matter what Perry says or does. And whatever he wants or thinks or may do or not do, it is totally ok with them--they understand his deepest thoughts and motivations because he has touched them musically. Yet that same group will rake Neal (who helped write and plays on those very same songs that touch them so deeply) over the coals no matter what he says or does. Hence my comment. If the shoe fits, wear it, if not, then don't get defensive because I'm not talking to you. It's just one more inconsistent and illogical thing that goes on here all the time.
Marabelle wrote:I am a Perry fan. I am a Journey fan. I am a Journey fan with or without Steve. Has SP made mistakes? Yes, more times than I can count on my hand. He's human and we all make mistakes. He's a singer he's never claimed to be the most diplomatic person in the world and he may not be the cooperative person on the planet. He has flaws and he is the first to admit them however not to all of our satisfaction. Naysayers and pundits can vicariously discuss their reasoning and interpret his behavior and history of not being involved infinitum and the supporters and so called Perryheads will spin it the way they want. Whatever happens, it is his choice. Untouchable? I think that is an ignorant statement. He is understood? May be his decision is accepted cause that's his choice. You cannot understand unless it is explained to you and you have an opportunity to ask for clarification. I've never claimed Neal is the devil. The wise person would say there are always two sides to the story and then there is the truth. If you narrowly define a situation by reading these forums and then drawing conclusion; then I think you are conflicted because you can't come to a conclusion without knowing the parameters of the argument and on the internet it's only a subjective and baised interpretation.
LAWoman wrote:Marabelle wrote:I am a Perry fan. I am a Journey fan. I am a Journey fan with or without Steve. Has SP made mistakes? Yes, more times than I can count on my hand. He's human and we all make mistakes. He's a singer he's never claimed to be the most diplomatic person in the world and he may not be the cooperative person on the planet. He has flaws and he is the first to admit them however not to all of our satisfaction. Naysayers and pundits can vicariously discuss their reasoning and interpret his behavior and history of not being involved infinitum and the supporters and so called Perryheads will spin it the way they want. Whatever happens, it is his choice. Untouchable? I think that is an ignorant statement. He is understood? May be his decision is accepted cause that's his choice. You cannot understand unless it is explained to you and you have an opportunity to ask for clarification. I've never claimed Neal is the devil. The wise person would say there are always two sides to the story and then there is the truth. If you narrowly define a situation by reading these forums and then drawing conclusion; then I think you are conflicted because you can't come to a conclusion without knowing the parameters of the argument and on the internet it's only a subjective and baised interpretation.
"Conflicted because you can't come to a conclusion without knowing the parameters of the argument and on the internet it's only a subjective and biased interpretation"?? I am commenting on what is going on here on the internet and so are you, so what does that even mean? If a wise person believes there are two sides of the story and then there is the "truth", then who is this objective observer who can provide the "truth" for us? By that logic isn't everything "a biased interpretation"? Reality doesn't exist without someone to perceive it afterall, but you are getting very into the nature of reality based on quantum physics all of a sudden just in relation to a comment about Perry's words and the reaction of some fans to it. Sorry, it's a rock & roll band and it isn't that deep.
Perry could say he hates all his fans and everything he ever did musically and he just wants to be left alone and there would be the Perryheads who claim they totally understand where he is coming from. Neal could say he just wants to rock and there would be those who claim that is a sideways slam of his time with Perry. So that's my observation based on the years of comments I've read on this topic. Just my opinion so if you don't like it, you are free to have your own reality.
atthistime wrote:The reality is that Perry has never stated that he hates his fans, but Neal has "slammed" his time with Perry.
Does this answer the question of ......"To go or not to go?"
RubyTequila wrote:umm perryfaithful...arent you a Perryhead?..is the term Perryhead insulting or something?..like Dickhead or Shithead?
LAWoman wrote:
As for Neal slamming his time with Perry, well, he has shown for years his respect for the music that came out of the Perry years because he still plays it.
atthistime wrote:In my opinion, your whole post is hogwash, Barb. Sorry but you are simply in denial. Neal plays Journey because it's all anyone will ever recognize him for even tho it's a far cry from his Classic Journey days, imo.
perryfaithful wrote:RubyTequila wrote:umm perryfaithful...arent you a Perryhead?..is the term Perryhead insulting or something?..like Dickhead or Shithead?
I am a fan of Steve Perry! You would be the insult????
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