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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby verslibre » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:04 am

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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:16 am



They just had a 2 Billion dollar movie so it's smart to cool the jets a bit, build hype and come roaring at SDCC in 2019.

Meanwhile, nobody has a fucking clue what WB/DC is doing and remain radio silent with their future plans. They better come screaming at the top of their lungs in July.
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby verslibre » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:37 am

YoungJRNYfan wrote:


They just had a 2 Billion dollar movie so it's smart to cool the jets a bit, build hype and come roaring at SDCC in 2019.

Meanwhile, nobody has a fucking clue what WB/DC is doing and remain radio silent with their future plans. They better come screaming at the top of their lungs in July.


Time to own Hall H again. We need Matt and Ben to walk out together and go "Yo! We got this."
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby verslibre » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:10 am

Infinity War is still in the top five, and its current worldwide gross is $2,001,136,398.

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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby verslibre » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:18 am

Monker wrote:
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Monker wrote:After Avengers 4, IMO, I would like to see Marvel concentrate on the cosmic universe with Captain Marvel, GotG, Adam Warlock, etc...and start building up the X-Men and Fantastic 4 franchises into the MCU...along with Spiderman....with a new huge build up to a team up against Galactus.


I take it you're not aware of the bidding war that's about to erupt between Comcast and Disney? The FF and the mutants and their rogues might not be joining the MCU if Disney's offer is rejected.


Sure I do...but I also doubt very, very much that Disney/Marvel are going to let this slip through their fingers.


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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:52 pm

YoungJRNYfan wrote:The next laugh the MCU will get out of me would be if they crash the GotG and Star Lord's ship and actually film their slow and agonizing deaths in super slow motion. I'd laugh my ass off because they are absolutely terrible and unneeded. I can't believe that stupid shit gets a pass. Gunn is beginning to work on GotG Vol.3. I hope it tanks worse than Solo and the audience laughs at them and not with them because that's what something so stupidly absurd deserves.


Sorry, just isn't going to happen that way. GotG3 will be every bit of a hit as the first two. Gunn knows what he is doing and how to write those characters. People go into it knowing what to expect. The Pac-man thing was funny...especially after watching Pixels. It doesn't really matter...GotG has an established fanbase of hundreds of thousdands of people willing to buy a ticket, and sometimes multiple tickets. So, hate on it all you want....Guardians is not "Howard the Duck".

And, BTW, the Farscape/GotG comparison was all over the internet from the day of release. Gunn has acknowledged that scifi franchises he really paid attention to were ST:TNG and Farscape. He has never denied it or exploited it....just acknowledged that is what has influenced him. I have never read many arguments of him stealing or "ripping off" Farscape.

The comparison to Starbuck/Han is also very valid. True, they are not the same as archetype as Star-lord/Crichton...but the reaction is just as lame. Fox even sued Universal over BSG ...and this was one of the claims, that Starbuck and Han were essentially the same character. Universal's defense was that these are archetype characters that have their origin in Greek and Roman myth...and Lucas/Universal could not "own" such a character and Universal/Glenn A. Larson could not "steal" it.

The same is true about Crichton/Star-lord. Ever hear of Buck Rodgers? Arthur Dent? Dorothy Gale? A character being pulled out of their own place/time and being thrown into a completely unfamiliar "universe"...and making references to the old world...is not something Farscape "owns". As Crichton even said, "I'm not Kirk, Spock, Luke, Buck, Flash or Arthur frelling Dent! I'm Dorothy Gale from Kansas." You can add Star-lord to that list as well....and at the time, many compared Crichton to Alice in Wonderland, too. The point is - it's an archetype character...and you can't "steal" or "rip-off" an archetype.
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:13 pm

Monker wrote:And, BTW, the Farscape/GotG comparison was all over the internet from the day of release.


Link?
If these comparisons were all over the web, then surely you can provide an example, right?
GOTG was an obvious rip-off to ME from day one. Gunn acknowledged Farscape's inspiration only after the fact. Like I said, you can say "homage", I say "rip-off."

Monker wrote:He has never denied it or exploited it....just acknowledged that is what has influenced him. I have never read many arguments of him stealing or "ripping off" Farscape.


Don't care what you read. You are pretty uninformed on most subjects.

Monker wrote:The comparison to Starbuck/Han is also very valid. True, they are not the same as archetype as Star-lord/Crichton...but the reaction is just as lame. Fox even sued Universal over BSG ...and this was one of the claims, that Starbuck and Han were essentially the same character. Universal's defense was that these are archetype characters that have their origin in Greek and Roman myth...and Lucas/Universal could not "own" such a character and Universal/Glenn A. Larson could not "steal" it.


The Han Solo space cowboy archetype is soo broad that, of course, no company could lay claim to it.

Monker wrote:The same is true about Crichton/Star-lord. Ever hear of Buck Rodgers? Arthur Dent? Dorothy Gale? A character being pulled out of their own place/time and being thrown into a completely unfamiliar "universe"...and making references to the old world...is not something Farscape "owns". As Crichton even said, "I'm not Kirk, Spock, Luke, Buck, Flash or Arthur frelling Dent! I'm Dorothy Gale from Kansas." You can add Star-lord to that list as well....and at the time, many compared Crichton to Alice in Wonderland, too. The point is - it's an archetype character...and you can't "steal" or "rip-off" an archetype.


The "stranger in a strange land/fish out of water" archetype is not new. However, none of those characters spoke in a non-stop stream of pop cultural references. Gunn made Starlord into Crichton. That characterization of Starlord is not in the source comic material. There were other examples in the movie I noticed before I flushed it out of my mind. Really a cynical unfunny derivative piece of shit movie.
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:48 pm

Monker wrote:
YoungJRNYfan wrote:The next laugh the MCU will get out of me would be if they crash the GotG and Star Lord's ship and actually film their slow and agonizing deaths in super slow motion. I'd laugh my ass off because they are absolutely terrible and unneeded. I can't believe that stupid shit gets a pass. Gunn is beginning to work on GotG Vol.3. I hope it tanks worse than Solo and the audience laughs at them and not with them because that's what something so stupidly absurd deserves.


Sorry, just isn't going to happen that way. GotG3 will be every bit of a hit as the first two. Gunn knows what he is doing and how to write those characters. People go into it knowing what to expect. The Pac-man thing was funny...especially after watching Pixels. It doesn't really matter...GotG has an established fanbase of hundreds of thousdands of people willing to buy a ticket, and sometimes multiple tickets. So, hate on it all you want....Guardians is not "Howard the Duck".

And, BTW, the Farscape/GotG comparison was all over the internet from the day of release. Gunn has acknowledged that scifi franchises he really paid attention to were ST:TNG and Farscape. He has never denied it or exploited it....just acknowledged that is what has influenced him. I have never read many arguments of him stealing or "ripping off" Farscape.

The comparison to Starbuck/Han is also very valid. True, they are not the same as archetype as Star-lord/Crichton...but the reaction is just as lame. Fox even sued Universal over BSG ...and this was one of the claims, that Starbuck and Han were essentially the same character. Universal's defense was that these are archetype characters that have their origin in Greek and Roman myth...and Lucas/Universal could not "own" such a character and Universal/Glenn A. Larson could not "steal" it.

The same is true about Crichton/Star-lord. Ever hear of Buck Rodgers? Arthur Dent? Dorothy Gale? A character being pulled out of their own place/time and being thrown into a completely unfamiliar "universe"...and making references to the old world...is not something Farscape "owns". As Crichton even said, "I'm not Kirk, Spock, Luke, Buck, Flash or Arthur frelling Dent! I'm Dorothy Gale from Kansas." You can add Star-lord to that list as well....and at the time, many compared Crichton to Alice in Wonderland, too. The point is - it's an archetype character...and you can't "steal" or "rip-off" an archetype.


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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby Monker » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:51 am

You sound as ridiculous as, "Earthman, your Mickey Mouse is one big stupid dope!"

The bottom line is as I said, hundreds of thousands of people disagree with you and buy tickets anyway. The exact opposite of what you posted is probably what will happen, at least 5 GotG movies compared to your ONE BvS.

You are just pissed that it is yet another successful Marvel franchise and has successfully kicked off the Marvel cosmic universe. It happened, it continues to happen - and your "dopey" rants will never change it.
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:36 am

It's great that I hit a nerve and all but seriously, no matter how many families with droves of 9 year olds that make up the GoTG audience on discount Tuesday won't change the fact that their characters are...

..hot garbage. Watching them buffoon around in IW was an embarrassment and embarrassed many of my MCU buddies. Hot garbage. Sorry.
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby verslibre » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:59 am

YoungJRNYfan wrote:It's great that I hit a nerve and all but seriously, no matter how many families with droves of 9 year olds that make up the GoTG audience on discount Tuesday won't change the fact that their characters are...

..hot garbage. Watching them buffoon around in IW was an embarrassment and embarrassed many of my MCU buddies. Hot garbage. Sorry.


The Guardians' antics — mainly Star-Lord, Drax and Mantis — was cringetacular. Notice how much cooler Rocket [Raccoon] and NuGroot got when they bailed out with Thor on their voyage to Nidavellir.
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby verslibre » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:32 am

Monker wrote:Sorry, just isn't going to happen that way. GotG3 will be every bit of a hit as the first two. Gunn knows what he is doing and how to write those characters.


Gunn's just writing characters based on what he likes. The Guardians are essentially shadows of their initial incarnations; Rocket [Raccoon]'s the closest. Gunn wrote a script, and they (Feige) approved it. They're not going to change it now since general audiences don't know better, and ironically the comics "fans" who bitch about Goyer's and Snyder's take on Superman aren't bitching, either, which is a clear demonstration of bias.

Monker wrote:The same is true about Crichton/Star-lord. Ever hear of Buck Rodgers? Arthur Dent? Dorothy Gale? A character being pulled out of their own place/time and being thrown into a completely unfamiliar "universe"...and making references to the old world...is not something Farscape "owns". As Crichton even said, "I'm not Kirk, Spock, Luke, Buck, Flash or Arthur frelling Dent! I'm Dorothy Gale from Kansas." You can add Star-lord to that list as well....and at the time, many compared Crichton to Alice in Wonderland, too. The point is - it's an archetype character...and you can't "steal" or "rip-off" an archetype.


"Fish-out-of-water" is an archetype. Star-Lord's referencing turd blossoms, and dubstep (which didn't exist for more than a decade after his initial abduction from Earth), isn't.
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:35 am

verslibre wrote:Infinity War is still in the top five, and its current worldwide gross is $2,001,136,398.

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Bravo! Contrary to what RWFart thinks how I feel about Marvel, IW was outstanding (outside of the GoTG and maybe Hulk) where I've said plenty of times how well of an oiled machine they truly are. He's just too busy knocking DC, films he watches on his Kindle Fire, to realize it.
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby verslibre » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:40 am

YoungJRNYfan wrote:Bravo! Contrary to what RWFart thinks how I feel about Marvel, IW was outstanding (outside of the GoTG and maybe Hulk) where I've said plenty of times how well of an oiled machine they truly are. He's just too busy knocking DC, films he watches on his Kindle Fire, to realize it.


A lot of beef strokinoff being served in this thread, eh? :lol:
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:54 am

Iron Man was fantastic and still one of the best.
The Incredible Hulk was poop.
Iron Man 2 was shit.
Iron Man 3 was total shit.
TFA was okay; boring.
Thor was mediocre.
Thor:TDW was aids.
Winter Soldier could fit into the DCU. One of the best.
GoTG was forgotten entertainment.
Age of Ultron was a mess.
Homecoming..I don't remember anything here.
IW was fantastic and large in scale. Good build and payoff.


Didn't see the rest since films like Dr.Strange and Ant-Man are the same movie being made over and over with different characters. They're only there to be crammed into the next Avengers film. Though, I still want to see BP for sure.
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Re: Marvel Movie thread

Postby verslibre » Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:57 am

YoungJRNYfan wrote:Didn't see the rest since films like Dr.Strange and Ant-Man are the same movie being made over and over with different characters. They're only there to be crammed into the next Avengers film. Though, I still want to see BP for sure.


Doctor Strange could have been so much more. Bad villain, too. It was more disappointing because Derrickson's a director I like.

Ant-Man's a popcorn movie you can throw on while you play Scrabble with your dachshund.
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