President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[RossValoryRocks]

Obama is a HORRIBLE president and a disgrace to the office. I disagree with most of his politics, but I still want him to stand up and be a LEADER for our country and TRY to get things back on track. He is not interested in leading our country, he is only interested in his own re-election and hammering the republican party. It's disgusting. His taxpayer-funded campaign road trip through NC and VA today touting a bill that has NO chance is yet another example of how low he will go to try to fool us into thinking he cares about the American people. Get your fucking ass back to DC and try doing a little WORK for a change, maybe something will get done! Anybody that votes for this clown next year should go straight from the voting booth to the shrink, because they're in need of some really powerful meds!!!

Donna, I'm not a big fan, either, but the GOP has been more obstructionist the past two years than any party in history, by a long shot. He tried for too long to be the "moderate voice of reason" when in fact his policies ranged from conservative (maintaining the Bush tax cuts and the Patriot Act) to overtly leftist (the stimulus package). His right of center tacks alienated his base, and his liberal jibs drew the ire of the right.

He certainly works harder than Bush Sr. Not that it matters.

Now, collectively, almost than 4 in 5 people support the Wall Street protesters AND Obama's jobs bill. You're in a distinct minority. The jobs plan is structured around sound fiscal policy, and ideas the GOP has traditionally supported in times of economic stagnation. Your inability to see that proves your disdain for him (justified or not) outweighs your ability to grasp facts and reality.

4 out of 5 support Occupy Wall Street??? ROFLMAO!!!! Yeah...37% support them...that was the latest poll I saw...37% isn't 4 out of 5...it's 1 out of 3...and did you hear how they phrased the poll question on the jobs bill??? Totally misleading...you are too fucking gullible.

EDIT: I can predict your response to this, "Well it's more support than the Tea Party gets"...of course it is...the mainstream media has done nothing but paint the Tea Party in the least favorable light imaginable...but completely ignore the Occupy people and their support by the American Nazi Party, the American Communist Party and things being said like, "The zionist jews controlling the banks need to be run out of the country." Yeah great group of people there.

[Seven Wishes2]

http://swampland.time.com/full-results-of-oct-9-10-2011-time-poll/

For starters...

REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU USUALLY VOTE, OVERALL, WHICH PARTY – (THE DEMOCRATS) OR (THE REPUBLICANS) — DO YOU TRUST TO DO A BETTER JOB IN DEALING WITH THE MAIN PROBLEMS THE NATION FACES OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS?

DEMOCRATS 42%

REPUBLICANS 31%

Let's see...this is 54-23% IN FAVOR OF IT.

IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION?

VERY FAVORABLE 25%
SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE 29%

SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE 10%
VERY UNFAVORABLE 13%

[Seven Wishes2]

THE GAP BETWEEN RICH AND POOR IN THE UNITED STATES HAS GROWN TOO LARGE
BASE: FAMILIAR WITH PROTESTS

AGREE 79%

DISAGREE 17%


WOULD YOU FAVOR OR OPPOSE RAISING TAXES ON PEOPLE WITH ANNUAL INCOMES OF A MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE TO HELP CUT THE FEDERAL DEFICIT?

FAVOR 73%

OPPOSE 23%


IF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY AND THE CANDIDATES WERE (BARACK OBAMA, THE DEMOCRAT), AND (MITT ROMNEY, THE REPUBLICAN), AND YOU HAD TO CHOOSE, FOR WHOM WOULD YOU VOTE?

BASE: LIKELY VOTERS

BARACK OBAMA, THE DEMOCRAT 46%

MITT ROMNEY, THE REPUBLICAN 43%

[Seven Wishes2]

DO YOU LEAN MORE TOWARD (BARACK OBAMA, THE DEMOCRAT), OR MORE TOWARD (MITT ROMNEY, THE REPUBLICAN)?

BASE: UNDECIDED LIKELY VOTERS

LEAN MORE TOWARD BARACK OBAMA 33%

LEAN MORE TOWARD MITT ROMNEY 9%

OTHER/NEITHER 4%
UNDECIDED/DON’T KNOW/NO ANSWER 54%



IF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY AND THE CANDIDATES WERE (BARACK OBAMA, THE DEMOCRAT), AND (RICK PERRY, THE REPUBLICAN), AND YOU HAD TO CHOOSE, FOR WHOM WOULD YOU VOTE?

BASE: LIKELY VOTERS

BARACK OBAMA, THE DEMOCRAT 50%

RICK PERRY, THE REPUBLICAN 38%

[Seven Wishes2]

IF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY AND THE CANDIDATES WERE (BARACK OBAMA, THE DEMOCRAT), AND (HERMAN CAIN, THE REPUBLICAN), AND YOU HAD TO CHOOSE, FOR WHOM WOULD YOU VOTE?

BASE: LIKELY VOTERS

BARACK OBAMA,THE DEMOCRAT 49%

HERMAN CAIN,THE REPUBLICAN 37%


So, Stu...while I do like and respect you (and continue to be astonished we have more common ground than I ever would have thought), I think you've been reading too many rigged Faux "polls".

These numbers also support my assertion that Romney is the only true viable candidate to defeat Obama. Think about it - like Bachmann and Perry before him, Cain has reached the apex of his popularity. It's already trending downwards as people learn more about his "9-9-9" "plan". His star will fade away rather quickly, and, like it or not, Romney will be the only one left standing.

The GOP CANNOT win with Perry or Cain as their nominee.

[Seven Wishes2]

...to overtly leftist (the stimulus package).

Please. Anyone who thinks that McCain wouldn't have passed a similar package is a fool. It was basic econ, not left or right.

You know that and I know that, but THEY don't know that.

Anyway, without the stimulus and bailout packages, we'd all be selling apples, muff dives, and shoe shines for a dime each at the corner of JFK and MLK Boulevards.

[slucero]

...to overtly leftist (the stimulus package).

Please. Anyone who thinks that McCain wouldn't have passed a similar package is a fool. It was basic econ, not left or right.

You know that and I know that, but THEY don't know that.

Anyway, without the stimulus and bailout packages, we'd all be selling apples, muff dives, and shoe shines for a dime each at the corner of JFK and MLK Boulevards.

7, take some time and learn about sovereign debt... and you'll see that's the likely outcome regardless of the stimulus or bailouts... shoot me yer email via PM and I'll send you a great and short ebook (Boomerang by Michael Lewis) that illustrates it....

[Seven Wishes2]

Done, and done. In the end, I don't know jack about shit...so why not?

[RossValoryRocks]

IF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY AND THE CANDIDATES WERE (BARACK OBAMA, THE DEMOCRAT), AND (HERMAN CAIN, THE REPUBLICAN), AND YOU HAD TO CHOOSE, FOR WHOM WOULD YOU VOTE?

BASE: LIKELY VOTERS

BARACK OBAMA,THE DEMOCRAT 49%

HERMAN CAIN,THE REPUBLICAN 37%


So, Stu...while I do like and respect you (and continue to be astonished we have more common ground than I ever would have thought), I think you've been reading too many rigged Faux "polls".

These numbers also support my assertion that Romney is the only true viable candidate to defeat Obama. Think about it - like Bachmann and Perry before him, Cain has reached the apex of his popularity. It's already trending downwards as people learn more about his "9-9-9" "plan". His star will fade away rather quickly, and, like it or not, Romney will be the only one left standing.

The GOP CANNOT win with Perry or Cain as their nominee.

Yeah....1000 adults...from where???? There is more to the poll than just the questions (in this case they seem fair at least) where did they pull the 1000 adults from?? 1000 adults from Castro in San Fran is going to be HUGELY different than 1000 adults from Lubbock Texas. And Time??? Come on man...left leaning...and I don't listen to Fox nor read their polls.

Romney will be the GOP nominee...he has 80% of what I want in opposition to OweBama...I will take 80% all day.

EDIT: Oh yeah...here: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/ ... V120111012

38% view them favorably...

[Seven Wishes2]

Dude, there are still far more people who support the protests than oppose them no matter which way you slice it. You're just dealing with semantics.

Anyway, this is the world's most reliable polling service. No disputing that.

[RossValoryRocks]

Dude, there are still far more people who support the protests than oppose them no matter which way you slice it. You're just dealing with semantics.

Anyway, this is the world's most reliable polling service. No disputing that.

Time??? Reliable??? Unbiased??? Hardly...going to have to bring out the steroid comments again dude...'cause something is killing your brain cells...

And 24% oppose...that's not exactly far less than 38%...and the number is growing daily.

I will concede that the class warfare angle is working a bit for the President right now...regardless of the morality of stealing from one person to give it to another.

[Seven Wishes2]

I was referring to Reuters, not Time.

Anyway, I think most of the protesters are college students looking to get laid - to find their "special purpose".

[Monker]

IF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY AND THE CANDIDATES WERE (BARACK OBAMA, THE DEMOCRAT), AND (HERMAN CAIN, THE REPUBLICAN), AND YOU HAD TO CHOOSE, FOR WHOM WOULD YOU VOTE?

BASE: LIKELY VOTERS

BARACK OBAMA,THE DEMOCRAT 49%

HERMAN CAIN,THE REPUBLICAN 37%


So, Stu...while I do like and respect you (and continue to be astonished we have more common ground than I ever would have thought), I think you've been reading too many rigged Faux "polls".

These numbers also support my assertion that Romney is the only true viable candidate to defeat Obama. Think about it - like Bachmann and Perry before him, Cain has reached the apex of his popularity. It's already trending downwards as people learn more about his "9-9-9" "plan". His star will fade away rather quickly, and, like it or not, Romney will be the only one left standing.

The GOP CANNOT win with Perry or Cain as their nominee.

You're right. None of these guys are 'really' good enough...and Romney is becoming a "well, I guess, if we really have to". I just don't believe any of these guys can win the whole thing.

[RocknRoll]

I'm betting Cain will end up as the VP candidate. He's got a lot of ideas right now and will bring in a lot of votes!!

Anyone what to take the bet??

[Monker]

I'm betting Cain will end up as the VP candidate. He's got a lot of ideas right now and will bring in a lot of votes!!

Anyone what to take the bet??

They don't usually get VP's because of how well they have 'ideas'...but more how well they can talk the party line and back #1.

He doesn't really bring in a lot of votes...none of these guys really do. I'd say Rick Perry is more likely simply because he has more $'s to bring in...and a big important state they can't lose.

He does add color, which could make things interesting.

Whoever gets the nomination would be smarter to look outside of those running.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

I'm betting Cain will end up as the VP candidate. He's got a lot of ideas right now and will bring in a lot of votes!!

Anyone what to take the bet??

Yea I don't think he will . Yes he is got a lot of good ideas and people naturally like the guy. If he continues to do well , he might win the nomination himself . If he doesnt but makes it a close battle. whoever wins it will be worried about being upstaged by his popularity (all these guys got egos the size of Texas). If he stumbles badly over the next few months pf course he will be considered a liability. He's probably alot like Steve Forbes was years ago. a wothwhile candidate which gets alot of enthusiasm but doesnt make the ticket.

Thune, Christie, Rubio, Kasich, Cantor, Marsha Blackburn would be folks I'd stick money on if I were betting on VP.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The only thing the stimulus did was put us further in debt...debt we could not and cannot afford...

Battening down the hatches, hunkering down, and just hoping that the recession somehow ends also piles on endless debt. Even Milton Friedman believed in deficit spending/expanding the money supply in tough times.

[conversationpc]

The only thing the stimulus did was put us further in debt...debt we could not and cannot afford...

Battening down the hatches, hunkering down, and just hoping that the recession somehow ends also piles on endless debt. Even Milton Friedman believed in deficit spending/expanding the money supply in tough times.

That MAY have been all well and good back when we didn't have as much debt but we're already beginning to see the effects of massive debt and inflation and, in my opinion, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The only thing the stimulus did was put us further in debt...debt we could not and cannot afford...

Battening down the hatches, hunkering down, and just hoping that the recession somehow ends also piles on endless debt. Even Milton Friedman believed in deficit spending/expanding the money supply in tough times.

That MAY have been all well and good back when we didn't have as much debt but we're already beginning to see the effects of massive debt and inflation and, in my opinion, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Doomsayers (like the messianic shyster wannabe-prophet, Beck) have been screaming about high interest rates and inflation since Obama took office. So far, it's been overhyped. As long as unemployment stays high (ie. excess capacity in the economy) it won't be a foreseeable problem.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

The only thing the stimulus did was put us further in debt...debt we could not and cannot afford...

Battening down the hatches, hunkering down, and just hoping that the recession somehow ends also piles on endless debt. Even Milton Friedman believed in deficit spending/expanding the money supply in tough times.

Yes but Friedman is a member of the Montarist / Chicago School of Economics. The real consistent free market theorists- those from the Austrian school- all argue that Friedman was dead wrong - the only for an economy to repairt itself is to not interfere with the business cycle. Dong nothing doesn't pile on debt, it clears bad debt. Austrian economic thinkers predicted precisely the the events of 2008-2011 warning that TARP, QE1, QE2 and the stimulus would do no good whatsoever.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yes but Friedman is a member of the Montarist / Chicago School of Economics. The real consistent free market theorists- those from the Austrian school- all argue that Friedman was dead wrong - the only for an economy to repairt itself is to not interfere with the business cycle. Dong nothing doesn't pile on debt, it clears bad debt. Austrian economic thinkers predicted precisely the the events of 2008-2011 warning that TARP, QE1, QE2 and the stimulus would do no good whatsoever.

TARP stabilized the financial industry. That worked. The stimulus, (the portions that weren't tax cuts or offset by cuts at the state/local level), also did some good. Austrian economics is not a practical model. Prior to the creation of the Fed and Executive Order 6102 , the economy was still unstable, and still hit the skids and people still starved and died. What you're advocating is a recipe for mass civil unrest. The gov't became interventionist in the economy because they had to. They had to keep the barbarians off their front doorstep.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

. Austrian economics is not a practical model..

Really how so?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Austrian economics is not a practical model..

Really how so?

When was it last used as a governing economic model?

[conversationpc]

The only thing the stimulus did was put us further in debt...debt we could not and cannot afford...

Battening down the hatches, hunkering down, and just hoping that the recession somehow ends also piles on endless debt. Even Milton Friedman believed in deficit spending/expanding the money supply in tough times.

That MAY have been all well and good back when we didn't have as much debt but we're already beginning to see the effects of massive debt and inflation and, in my opinion, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Doomsayers (like the messianic shyster wannabe-prophet, Beck) have been screaming about high interest rates and inflation since Obama took office. So far, it's been overhyped. As long as unemployment stays high (ie. excess capacity in the economy) it won't be a foreseeable problem.

Overhyped? I don't know if you do much grocery shopping but prices for most goods have been going steadily up and they're likely to continue doing so.

[RossValoryRocks]

Austrian economics is not a practical model..

Really how so?

When was it last used as a governing economic model?

Seriously? Since when has a government using something made it practical? Better to say it isn't politically expedient for politicians who derive their power from subsets of the population who want the government to give them something.

[RedWingFan]

Wasn't it these people who called Bush a fear monger?


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bid ... 98267.html

Biden Continues to Warn of Rapes and Murders If Jobs Bill Isn't Passed
7:23 PM, Oct 18, 2011 • By DANIEL HALPER

Last week, Vice President Joe Biden warned that more people would likely be raped and murdered if President Obama's jobs bill is not passed. "In 2008, when Flint had 265 sworn officers on their police force, there were 35 murders and 91 rapes in this city," Biden said at an event in Flint, Michigan. "In 2010, when Flint had only 144 police officers, the murder rate climbed to 65 and rapes--just to pick two categories--climbed to 229. In 2011, you now only have 125 shields. God only knows what the numbers will be this year for Flint if we don't rectify it."

Today, Biden reiterated his warning at an event in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.“The other thing I’ve heard from my friends who oppose this – this whole jobs bill and this – that this is just temporary," Biden said. "Well let me tell you, it’s not temporary when that 911 call comes in and a woman’s being raped if a cop shows up in time to prevent the rape, it’s not temporary to that woman. It’s not temporary to the guy whose store is being held up and a gun is being pointed to his head. If a cop shows up and he’s not killed, that’s not temporary to that store owner. Give me a break, temporary! I wish these guys that thought it was temporary, I wish they had some notion what it’s like to be on the other side of a gun or a 200 pound man standing over you telling you to submit. Folks, it matters. It matters!”

[Seven Wishes2]

Joe Biden is a world-class idiot.

If Obama had any sense, he would dump that senile old curmugeon and beg Hillary to be his VP candidate in '12.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Austrian economics is not a practical model..

Really how so?

When was it last used as a governing economic model?

Austrian economics says the only governing model is the market- you dont "use it as a model" . It is a theory that states that what is important in an economy and what makes the market is the subjective choices that individuals and firms make, and they add up to create the dynamic of the economy and the business cycle. Thus microeconomic laws are what is important. In so much as modern macroeconomic theory tries to ignore the facts of micro economics and start from the top down Austrian economics tends to reject alot of it. In so much that the activities of individuals and firms make up the ecomomy I would say that Austrian economic models have been used ever since the days of the agora in Athens and furher back to when the Mesopotanians started to trade.

[Seven Wishes2]

It's rather absurd to compare the economy of a tiny, somewhat isolated European country to ours.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

It's rather absurd to compare the economy of a tiny, somewhat isolated European country to ours.

Austrian economics has nothing to do with Austria or the Austrian economy, its a school of thought, many of the philosophers and economists who adhered to it happened to have an association with Vienna or were of austrian decent (many of whom ended up in UK and US eventually)