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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:01 am

Fact Finder wrote:So we have Greenspan and now Bloomberg saying the exact same thing a year apart along with scores of other sane people yet you still call me a liar or misinformed. Excuse me if I believe people smarter than you about what happened.


LMAO. Of all officials, Greenspan had the singular power to regulate and deflate the housing bubble before it wrecked the economy. Can you say C.Y.A.? As for Bloomberg, he's just another craven politician. Second-hand soundbytes are really not all that impressive.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:04 am

Fact Finder wrote:Official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=average-global-temperature-rise-creates-new-normal

Way to quote an outright lie! Good job, LieFinder.

This trend reaches back further than a couple of years. There have been exactly zero months, since February 1985, with average temperatures below those for the entire 20th century. (And those numbers are not as dramatic as they could be, because the last 15 years of the 20th century included in this period raised its average temperature, thereby lessening the century-long heat differential.) That streak—304 months and counting—was certainly not broken in June 2010, according to the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Last month saw average global surface temperatures 0.68 degree Celsius warmer than the 20th-century average of 15.5 degrees C for June—making it the warmest June at ground level since record-keeping began in 1880.

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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:02 am

If Cain was a Democrat you'd be calling for his head.

And keep on pushing for him to win the nomination...he will get DESROYED by Obama in the general election now that there are serious doubts about his character.

BTW...

All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880. 5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years. 6 Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.8.

http://icoads.noaa.gov/climar3/c3oral-pdfs/S5O2-Levitus.pdf

The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005.

Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades

http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html

The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/cei.html
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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:13 am

Seven Wishes wrote:If Cain was a Democrat you'd be calling for his head.


You only hate him because he's black. You racist scum!
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Postby Monker » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:15 am

Republicans are such idiots. The below is definite evidence of that.

Why even go through a nomination...just forfeit the election now and save the party the embarrassment.


Fact Finder wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Seven Wishes wrote:If Cain was a Democrat you'd be calling for his head.


You only hate him because he's black. You racist scum!



Lawyer for Cain’s accuser: On second thought, she’d rather not relive this publicly



Cain accuser attorney: Client sees 'no value' in revisiting issue


With No Specifics to the Accusations, Herman Cain Wins This Fight


Cain: 'High-tech lynching'...

May sue...


ABCWAPOST POLL: Cain bump despite allegations...


Cain hauls $1 million in donations amid controversy
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Postby Monker » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:53 pm

Fact Finder wrote:
Monker wrote:Republicans are such idiots. The below is definite evidence of that.

Why even go through a nomination...just forfeit the election now and save the party the embarrassment.


Fact Finder wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Seven Wishes wrote:If Cain was a Democrat you'd be calling for his head.


You only hate him because he's black. You racist scum!



Lawyer for Cain’s accuser: On second thought, she’d rather not relive this publicly



Cain accuser attorney: Client sees 'no value' in revisiting issue


With No Specifics to the Accusations, Herman Cain Wins This Fight


Cain: 'High-tech lynching'...

May sue...


ABCWAPOST POLL: Cain bump despite allegations...


Cain hauls $1 million in donations amid controversy



I thought the same thing in 1992 when Jennifer Flowers came out on Billy. At least she was proven true.


Even more evidence....geez, idiot. You honestly think your party can come into the general election and excuse sexual harassment by using your "but, Bill Clinton got away with it..." argument. A pathetic excuse for a pathetic candidate, of a group of pathetic candidates, from a pathetic party who only had to put up a viable alternative to Obama to win the election. You failed. None of these guys are electable. What did they do, save the best for 2016? it is simply ridiculous, a circus.

You have a candidate who now has a huge controversy around him. So, instead of wondering WTF, you all bump his numbers up even more and donate even more. Then, instead of letting it die, he's talking about suing HER.

What a bunch of fucking idiots. You have no clue any longer.
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Postby slucero » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:03 pm

still lots of time..... besides... at the rate the economy is going... it might be a better idea to elect "none of the above".. and leave the office vacant for a term... no POTUS, no government fucking things up..

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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:23 am

They "see through" it? "Allegations" of actual known, signed settlements by two women, first-hand eyewitness testimony from two separate people, and another two accusations...bringing the total to at least six, as far as we know. Give me a break. If you have your party's interests at heart, you would run like hell as far away from Cain as you could. Romney is the only GOP populist candidate, and the Republican Party's only shot at winning the Presidency in 2012.
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Postby Memorex » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:36 am

This Cain stuff is pretty lame. I understand much of his message appeals to conservatives, but he's never going to be president. Not enough real experience and I think we have seen where that has gotten us.

As far as allegations - when it comes to power and money and the spotlight, it's hard to separate fact from fiction.

Like, say, Vera Baker. Some pretty seedy stuff there surrounding her and Obama - but who's to say? I know Bush Sr had some things said that I think turned out false if I can remember. Of course there is the king of it all - JFK.
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Postby AR » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:46 am

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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:54 am

There's alot I like about Cain, and I'm not necessarily bothered about the so called scandal which hasn't been proved- (although I do think he and his team handled the response poorly, and if he gets the nomination this is nothing in comparision to some of the horrible things the Obama is going to throw at him- they better get a clue on how to fight).

& It s good to see a businessman in there and I think that there the 999 plan though inperfect offers some solid improvement over the status quo.

But .... I'm however becoming more skeptical on the issues though. I refuse to support/vote for Mitt Romney because he supported TARP/bailouts, won't criticize the Fed (even was a Fed governor), and hasn't outlined a plan to cut govt spending. Cain's exactly the same on these three issues, so why should I get enthusiastic about him? Furthermore, As a pro-life libertarian I thought all Cain'statements about abortion were just gibberish and lacking conviction- what came out of his mouth was just stupid. Im far from convinced.
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Postby RedWingFan » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:56 am

Seven Wishes wrote:If you have your party's interests at heart, you would run like hell as far away from Cain as you could. Romney is the only GOP populist candidate, and the Republican Party's only shot at winning the Presidency in 2012.

We know why you love whitey 7 Swastikas!!!!
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:45 am

Seven Wishes wrote: Romney is the only GOP populist candidate, and the Republican Party's only shot at winning the Presidency in 2012.


Romney is no populist. All photo-ops featuring politicians and tractor pulls, waving flags, and amber fields of grain ring phony - but never so much so as when Mittens is involved. The guy is fooling nobody. The base is about as excited for him as they were for Bob Dole.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:51 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:They "see through" it? "Allegations" of actual known, signed settlements by two women, first-hand eyewitness testimony from two separate people, and another two accusations...bringing the total to at least six, as far as we know. Give me a break. If you have your party's interests at heart, you would run like hell as far away from Cain as you could. Romney is the only GOP populist candidate, and the Republican Party's only shot at winning the Presidency in 2012.


Not settlements...there was no legal action taken...the women as I understand it resigned and were given severance packages. It may be semantics, but it makes a difference.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:13 pm

No President other than Hoover was President during a period when unemployment more than doubled. Welcome to the club, Dumbya!

In other news, Hermie Cain's "bid" is falling apart faster than a fake North Korean transformer toy.

http://news.yahoo.com/cains-favorability-drops-sex-accusations-poll-051227162.html

Among all registered voters, Cain's favorability declined 5 percentage points, to 32 percent from 37 percent.

Four in 10 poll respondents said the harassment issue had made them less favorable toward Cain. About one in three Republicans, or 35 percent, said the controversy had made them less favorable toward Cain.

The poll found that Romney, who is more a candidate of the Republican establishment, has a favorability among Republican voters of 63 percent, while rival Rick Perry, the Texas governor, is viewed favorably by 47 percent.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:57 am

It's getting worse and worse for the GOP now that a large majority of Americans associate Republicans with having corporate interests and the rich in their back pockets. Not only does the GOP trail significantly in actual and generic polling for the House and Senate, Obama now has a large margin over Romney and Squirmin' Herman.

In hypothetical general-election match-ups, Obama leads former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney 49 percent to 43 percent and he leads businessman Herman Cain by 15 points, 53 percent to 38 percent.

Fifty-two percent of respondents approve of his handling of foreign-policy and 71 percent support his decision to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq by this December.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:39 am

Riiight.

The GOP has been fighting increased regulation since Day One. They've been nothing but obstructionists, their only priority making sure Obama is a one-termer. People understand Republicans don't care for the plight of the average American, and it's reflected in the polls.
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Postby slucero » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:16 am

Wow.....

In the early 20th century, the Russian used to arrest people who took pictures of train stations. We used to think them insane (source: "The Russians" by Hendrick Smith). Now we see cops in armor surrounding tourists taking pictures of them. Are we now like the Russians?


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Busted! Two New Fed GPS Trackers Found on SUV
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/1 ... -two/all/1

As the Supreme Court gets ready to hear oral arguments in a case Tuesday that could determine if authorities can track U.S. citizens with GPS vehicle trackers without a warrant, a young man in California has come forward to Wired to reveal that he found not one but two different devices on his vehicle recently.
The 25-year-old resident of San Jose, California, says he found the first one about three weeks ago on his Volvo SUV while visiting his mother in Modesto, about 80 miles northeast of San Jose. After contacting Wired and allowing a photographer to snap pictures of the device, it was swapped out and replaced with a second tracking device. A witness also reported seeing a strange man looking beneath the vehicle of the young man’s girlfriend while her car was parked at work, suggesting that a tracking device may have been retrieved from her car.

Then things got really weird when police showed up during a Wired interview with the man.

The young man, who asked to be identified only as Greg, is one among an increasing number of U.S. citizens who are finding themselves tracked with the high-tech devices.

The Justice Department has said that law enforcement agents employ GPS as a crime-fighting tool with “great frequency,” and GPS retailers have told Wired that they’ve sold thousands of the devices to the feds.

But little is known about how or how often law enforcement agents use them. And without a clear ruling requiring agents to obtain a “probable cause” warrant to use the devices, it leaves citizens who may have only a distant connection to a crime or no connection at all vulnerable to the whimsy of agents who are fishing for a case.

The invasive technology, for example, allows police, the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration and other agencies to engage in covert round-the-clock surveillance over an extended period of time, collecting vast amounts of information about anyone who drives the vehicle that is being tracked.

“A person who knows all of another’s travels can deduce whether he is a weekly church goer, a heavy drinker, a regular at the gym, an unfaithful husband, an outpatient receiving medical treatment, an associate of particular individuals or political groups — and not just one such fact about a person, but all such facts,” wrote U.S. Appeals Court Judge Douglas Ginsburg in a recent ruling that the Supreme Court will be examining this week to determine if warrants should be required for use with trackers.

Greg says he discovered the first tracker on his vehicle after noticing what looked like a cell phone antenna inside a hole on his back bumper where a cable is stored for towing a trailer. The device, the size of a mobile phone, was not attached to a battery pack, suggesting the battery was embedded in its casing.


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The first GPS tracker found was slipped into a fabric sleeve, containing magnets, and placed on the underside of the vehicle in the wheel well of the spare tire.


A week later when he was back in San Jose, he checked the device, and it appeared to have been repositioned slightly on the vehicle to make it less visible. It was placed on the underside of the car in the wheel well that holds a spare tire.

Greg, a Hispanic American who lives in San Jose at the home of his girlfriend’s parents, contacted Wired after reading a story published last year about an Arab-American citizen named Yasir Afifi who found a tracking device on his car. Greg wanted to know what he should do with the device.

Afifi believed he was being tracked by authorities for six months before a mechanic discovered the device on his car when he took it into a garage for an oil change. He apparently came under surveillance after the FBI received a vague tip from someone who said Afifi might be a threat to national security. Afifi has filed a suit against the government, asserting that authorities violated his civil liberties by placing the device on his vehicle without a warrant and without suspicion of a crime. His attorney, Zahra Billoo, told Wired this week that she’s requested a stay in her client’s case, pending a ruling by the Supreme Court in the GPS tracking case now before it.

Greg’s surveillance appears to involve different circumstances. It most likely involves a criminal drug investigation centered around his cousin, a Mexican citizen who fled across the border to that country a year ago and may have been involved in the drug trade as a dealer.

“He took off. I think he was fleeing. I think he committed a crime,” Greg told Wired.com, asserting that he himself is not involved in drugs.

Greg says he bought the SUV from his cousin in June, paying cash for it to a family member. He examined the car at the time and found no tracking device on it. A month later, he drove his cousin’s wife to Tijuana. Greg says he remained in Mexico a couple of days before returning to the U.S.


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The first GPS tracker, out of its sleeve. Photo courtesy of Greg.

It’s possible the surveillance began shortly after his return, but Greg discovered the device only about three weeks ago during his visit to Modesto. The device was slipped into a sleeve that contained small magnets to affix it to the car.

On Tuesday, Nov. 1, Wired photographer Jon Snyder went to San Jose to photograph the device. The next day, two males and one female appeared suddenly at the business where Greg’s girlfriend works, driving a Crown Victoria with tinted windows. A witness reported to Greg that one of the men jumped out of the car, bent under the front of the girlfriend’s car for a few seconds, then jumped back into the Crown Victoria and drove off. Wired was unable to confirm the story.

The following day, Greg noticed that the GPS tracker on his own car had been replaced with a different tracker, this one encased in a clam shell cover attached to a large round magnet to hold the device to the car. The device was attached to a 3.6 VDC Lithium Polymer rechargeable battery.

There was no writing on the tracker to identify its maker, but a label on the battery indicated that it’s sold by a small firm in Farmingdale, New York, called Revanche. A notice on a government web site last June indicates that it was seeking 500 of the batteries and 250 battery chargers for the Drug Enforcement Administration. A separate notice on the same site in 2008 refers to a contract for what appears to be a similar Revanche battery. The notice indicates the batteries work with GPS devices made by Nextel and Sendum.

A spokeswoman with the DEA’s office in San Francisco, however, declined to say if the device on Greg’s vehicle was theirs.

“We cannot comment on our means or methods that we use, so I cannot provide you with any additional information,” said DEA spokeswoman Casey McEnry.


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Second GPS tracker with clam shell casing and Lithium Polymer battery.


The second device on Greg’s vehicle appears to be a Sendum PT200 GPS tracker with the factory battery swapped out and replaced with the Revanche battery. The Sendum GPS tracker is marketed to private investigators, law enforcement and transportation security managers and sells for about $430 without the battery. With the factory battery “it will last 7-15 days reporting every hour in a good cellular coverage zone,” according to marketing literature describing it, and it uses CDMA cellular communications and gpsOne location services to determine its location.

When this reporter drove down to meet Greg and photograph the second tracker with photographer Snyder, three police cars appeared at the location that had been pre-arranged with Greg, at various points driving directly behind me without making any verbal contact before leaving.

After moving the photo shoot to a Rotten Robbie gas station a mile away from the first location, another police car showed up. In this case, the officer entered the station smiling at me and turned his car around to face the direction of Greg’s car, a couple hundred yards away. He remained there while the device was photographed. A passenger in the police car, dressed in civilian clothes, stepped out of the vehicle to fill a gas container, then the two left shortly before the photo shoot was completed.

The Obama administration will be defending the warrantless use of such trackers in front of the Supreme Court on Tuesday morning. The administration, which is attempting to overturn a lower court ruling that threw out a drug dealer’s conviction over the warrantless use of a tracker, argues that citizens have no expectation of privacy when it comes to their movements in public so officers don’t need to get a warrant to use such devices.

It’s unclear if authorities obtained a warrant to track Greg’s vehicle. While Greg says he’s committed no crimes and has nothing to hide, the not-so-stealthy police maneuver at his girlfriend’s place of employment makes it look to others like she’s involved in something nefarious, he says. That concerns him.

It concerns attorney Billoo as well.

“For a lot of us, it’s like, Well I’m not selling cocaine, so let them put a tracking device on the car of [a suspect] who is selling cocaine,” Billoo says. “And I’m not a terrorist, so let them put the device on someone [suspected of being] a terrorist. But it shouldn’t be unchecked authority on the part of police officers. If law enforcement doesn’t care to have their authority checked, then we’re in a lot of trouble.”


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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:26 am

slucero wrote:Wow.....

In the early 20th century, the Russian used to arrest people who took pictures of train stations. We used to think them insane (source: "The Russians" by Hendrick Smith). Now we see cops in armor surrounding tourists taking pictures of them. Are we now like the Russians?


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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/1 ... -two/all/1

As the Supreme Court gets ready to hear oral arguments in a case Tuesday that could determine if authorities can track U.S. citizens with GPS vehicle trackers without a warrant, a young man in California has come forward to Wired to reveal that he found not one but two different devices on his vehicle recently.
The 25-year-old resident of San Jose, California, says he found the first one about three weeks ago on his Volvo SUV while visiting his mother in Modesto, about 80 miles northeast of San Jose. After contacting Wired and allowing a photographer to snap pictures of the device, it was swapped out and replaced with a second tracking device. A witness also reported seeing a strange man looking beneath the vehicle of the young man’s girlfriend while her car was parked at work, suggesting that a tracking device may have been retrieved from her car.

Then things got really weird when police showed up during a Wired interview with the man.

The young man, who asked to be identified only as Greg, is one among an increasing number of U.S. citizens who are finding themselves tracked with the high-tech devices.

The Justice Department has said that law enforcement agents employ GPS as a crime-fighting tool with “great frequency,” and GPS retailers have told Wired that they’ve sold thousands of the devices to the feds.

But little is known about how or how often law enforcement agents use them. And without a clear ruling requiring agents to obtain a “probable cause” warrant to use the devices, it leaves citizens who may have only a distant connection to a crime or no connection at all vulnerable to the whimsy of agents who are fishing for a case.

The invasive technology, for example, allows police, the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration and other agencies to engage in covert round-the-clock surveillance over an extended period of time, collecting vast amounts of information about anyone who drives the vehicle that is being tracked.

“A person who knows all of another’s travels can deduce whether he is a weekly church goer, a heavy drinker, a regular at the gym, an unfaithful husband, an outpatient receiving medical treatment, an associate of particular individuals or political groups — and not just one such fact about a person, but all such facts,” wrote U.S. Appeals Court Judge Douglas Ginsburg in a recent ruling that the Supreme Court will be examining this week to determine if warrants should be required for use with trackers.

Greg says he discovered the first tracker on his vehicle after noticing what looked like a cell phone antenna inside a hole on his back bumper where a cable is stored for towing a trailer. The device, the size of a mobile phone, was not attached to a battery pack, suggesting the battery was embedded in its casing.


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The first GPS tracker found was slipped into a fabric sleeve, containing magnets, and placed on the underside of the vehicle in the wheel well of the spare tire.


A week later when he was back in San Jose, he checked the device, and it appeared to have been repositioned slightly on the vehicle to make it less visible. It was placed on the underside of the car in the wheel well that holds a spare tire.

Greg, a Hispanic American who lives in San Jose at the home of his girlfriend’s parents, contacted Wired after reading a story published last year about an Arab-American citizen named Yasir Afifi who found a tracking device on his car. Greg wanted to know what he should do with the device.

Afifi believed he was being tracked by authorities for six months before a mechanic discovered the device on his car when he took it into a garage for an oil change. He apparently came under surveillance after the FBI received a vague tip from someone who said Afifi might be a threat to national security. Afifi has filed a suit against the government, asserting that authorities violated his civil liberties by placing the device on his vehicle without a warrant and without suspicion of a crime. His attorney, Zahra Billoo, told Wired this week that she’s requested a stay in her client’s case, pending a ruling by the Supreme Court in the GPS tracking case now before it.

Greg’s surveillance appears to involve different circumstances. It most likely involves a criminal drug investigation centered around his cousin, a Mexican citizen who fled across the border to that country a year ago and may have been involved in the drug trade as a dealer.

“He took off. I think he was fleeing. I think he committed a crime,” Greg told Wired.com, asserting that he himself is not involved in drugs.

Greg says he bought the SUV from his cousin in June, paying cash for it to a family member. He examined the car at the time and found no tracking device on it. A month later, he drove his cousin’s wife to Tijuana. Greg says he remained in Mexico a couple of days before returning to the U.S.


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The first GPS tracker, out of its sleeve. Photo courtesy of Greg.

It’s possible the surveillance began shortly after his return, but Greg discovered the device only about three weeks ago during his visit to Modesto. The device was slipped into a sleeve that contained small magnets to affix it to the car.

On Tuesday, Nov. 1, Wired photographer Jon Snyder went to San Jose to photograph the device. The next day, two males and one female appeared suddenly at the business where Greg’s girlfriend works, driving a Crown Victoria with tinted windows. A witness reported to Greg that one of the men jumped out of the car, bent under the front of the girlfriend’s car for a few seconds, then jumped back into the Crown Victoria and drove off. Wired was unable to confirm the story.

The following day, Greg noticed that the GPS tracker on his own car had been replaced with a different tracker, this one encased in a clam shell cover attached to a large round magnet to hold the device to the car. The device was attached to a 3.6 VDC Lithium Polymer rechargeable battery.

There was no writing on the tracker to identify its maker, but a label on the battery indicated that it’s sold by a small firm in Farmingdale, New York, called Revanche. A notice on a government web site last June indicates that it was seeking 500 of the batteries and 250 battery chargers for the Drug Enforcement Administration. A separate notice on the same site in 2008 refers to a contract for what appears to be a similar Revanche battery. The notice indicates the batteries work with GPS devices made by Nextel and Sendum.

A spokeswoman with the DEA’s office in San Francisco, however, declined to say if the device on Greg’s vehicle was theirs.

“We cannot comment on our means or methods that we use, so I cannot provide you with any additional information,” said DEA spokeswoman Casey McEnry.


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Second GPS tracker with clam shell casing and Lithium Polymer battery.


The second device on Greg’s vehicle appears to be a Sendum PT200 GPS tracker with the factory battery swapped out and replaced with the Revanche battery. The Sendum GPS tracker is marketed to private investigators, law enforcement and transportation security managers and sells for about $430 without the battery. With the factory battery “it will last 7-15 days reporting every hour in a good cellular coverage zone,” according to marketing literature describing it, and it uses CDMA cellular communications and gpsOne location services to determine its location.

When this reporter drove down to meet Greg and photograph the second tracker with photographer Snyder, three police cars appeared at the location that had been pre-arranged with Greg, at various points driving directly behind me without making any verbal contact before leaving.

After moving the photo shoot to a Rotten Robbie gas station a mile away from the first location, another police car showed up. In this case, the officer entered the station smiling at me and turned his car around to face the direction of Greg’s car, a couple hundred yards away. He remained there while the device was photographed. A passenger in the police car, dressed in civilian clothes, stepped out of the vehicle to fill a gas container, then the two left shortly before the photo shoot was completed.

The Obama administration will be defending the warrantless use of such trackers in front of the Supreme Court on Tuesday morning. The administration, which is attempting to overturn a lower court ruling that threw out a drug dealer’s conviction over the warrantless use of a tracker, argues that citizens have no expectation of privacy when it comes to their movements in public so officers don’t need to get a warrant to use such devices.

It’s unclear if authorities obtained a warrant to track Greg’s vehicle. While Greg says he’s committed no crimes and has nothing to hide, the not-so-stealthy police maneuver at his girlfriend’s place of employment makes it look to others like she’s involved in something nefarious, he says. That concerns him.

It concerns attorney Billoo as well.

“For a lot of us, it’s like, Well I’m not selling cocaine, so let them put a tracking device on the car of [a suspect] who is selling cocaine,” Billoo says. “And I’m not a terrorist, so let them put the device on someone [suspected of being] a terrorist. But it shouldn’t be unchecked authority on the part of police officers. If law enforcement doesn’t care to have their authority checked, then we’re in a lot of trouble.”



<sarcasm>Oh but you can trust the government as long as you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide. </sarcasm>
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Postby slucero » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:05 am

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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:13 pm

Very disturbing article. Bloody hell.

So you have the media vultures yapping and flapping about Herman Cain's penis 24 hours a day.

Meanwhile, Israel is about to start World War III with Iran, which is "allegedly" close to having short- and medium- range nuclear capabilities.

Where are the priorities? Right now, I couldn't give two shits about Squirmin' Herman.

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Postby S2M » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:47 pm

I've never seen Herman Cain and Leon Phelps in the same room together....

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Postby artist4perry » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:54 am

RedWingFan wrote:
Seven Wishes wrote:If Cain was a Democrat you'd be calling for his head.


You only hate him because he's black. You racist scum!


Man this brings me back to the last election! :shock: :wink: :lol:

Now don't get me wrong I am not that impressed with the man for Presidency. Clinton was well known for his affairs in Arkansas much less the White house. I remember a few liberals saying that what they do behind closed doors was their business. :wink: :lol:

So which is it? I say we let them settle the issue before we jump to conclusions on either side of the matter.

The way I look at it, I am amazed about the timing of the accusations, not to mention the lawyer of the one is a scummy blood sucking politicizer.

Why did these women come out against him when he started his campaign? Why all the indignation just now? Stuff like that makes me smell a rat. :?
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:30 pm

Right. There are two massive settlements on the books, two additional women who have already come forward, as well as at least two other witnesses for two other women, bringing the "alleged" total to six. Quite a conspiracy, that. Thankfully, the Democrats had an '84 DeLorean that topped out at 88 MPH, and were able to go back in time to stage the two known (likely as well as four other) cases. You DO know his campaign in 2004 directly acknowledged these harassments before the it officially kicked off, right? I'm pretty sure the two women who were given $50,000 settlements were indignant at the time of the offenses. It's shocking that a woman would rush to the defense of a man whose guilt is so obvious...perhaps not as shocking when you realize she's the same woman who was adamant that a Democrat be removed from office for CONSENSUAL sex. Give me a break!

What a ridiculous notion. Where there's smoke, there's fire. For God's sake, America elected a black man in 2008. African Americans didn't even have the RIGHT to vote until the Kennedy Administration. It's laughable that Cain believes there's a media conspiracy to prevent a "businessman" from becoming President. Besides - any Republican with an ounce of common sense would be throwing their weight into some tangible solidarity for mega-businessman Mitt Romney, the only electable candidate for the right in 2012.

It's not looking good for the GOP. Obama beats every Republican candidate in a hypothetical poll. Similarly, Democrats hold a 10-15 point lead in generic polling for the House and the Senate for 2012. The Tea Party, which itself is supported by less than 25% of the population, mandated the GOP's doctrine for the past year, and the results have been devastating. The religious right's "Personhood" initiative failed in the most fundamentalist state in the Union, Mississippi, by a notable margin. Ohio voters overwhelmingly overturned the Republican governor's attempt to dismantle state unions. An attempt by the far right to recall two Democratic State Senators in Iowa failed miserably. And, for the first time in the history of the United States, a sitting State Senate President (Russell Pierce, in Arizona), was recalled while in office. More? How about same-day voter registration passing overwhelmingly in Maine. Don't forget that Virginia now has an openly gay State Senator, too.

No, it's not a good time to be a Republican. The GOP fumbled the game-winning touchdown on the 1 yard line, and they're watching the Democrats take the ball and race across the opposite goal line. If I were conservative, I would be FURIOUS with my party's leaders for allowing it to be hijacked by largely misinformed and uneducated, white, fat, middle-aged bald men dressing up in Victorian garb and incoherently mumbling about non-existent conspiracies and pervasively diffused, but ultimately thoroughly debunked factoids.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:44 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Right. There are two massive settlements on the books, two additional women who have already come forward, as well as at least two other witnesses for two other women, bringing the "alleged" total to six. Quite a conspiracy, that. Thankfully, the Democrats had an '84 DeLorean that topped out at 88 MPH, and were able to go back in time to stage the two known (likely as well as four other) cases. You DO know his campaign in 2004 directly acknowledged these harassments before the it officially kicked off, right?

What a ridiculous notion. Where there's smoke, there's fire. For God's sake, America elected a black man in 2008. African Americans didn't even have the RIGHT to vote until the Kennedy Administration. It's laughable that Cain believes there's a media conspiracy to prevent a "businessman" from becoming President. Besides - any Republican with an ounce of common sense would be throwing their weight into some tangible solidarity for mega-businessman Mitt Romney, the only electable candidate for the right in 2012.

It's not looking good for the GOP. Obama beats every Republican candidate in a hypothetical poll. Similarly, Democrats hold a 10-15 point lead in generic polling for the House and the Senate for 2012. The Tea Party, which itself is supported by less than 25% of the population, mandated the GOP's doctrine for the past year, and the results have been devastating. The religious right's "Personhood" initiative failed in the most fundamentalist state in the Union, Mississippi, by a notable margin. Ohio voters overwhelmingly overturned the Republican governor's attempt to dismantle state unions. An attempt by the far right to recall two Democratic State Senators in Iowa failed miserably. And, for the first time in the history of the United States, a sitting State Senate President (Russell Pierce, in Arizona), was recalled while in office.

No, it's not a good time to be a Republican. The GOP fumbled the game-winning touchdown on the 1 yard line, and they're watching the Democrats take the ball and race across the opposite goal line. If I were conservative, I would be FURIOUS with my party's leaders for allowing it to be hijacked by largely misinformed and uneducated, white, fat, middle-aged bald men dressing up in Victorian garb and incoherently mumbling about non-existent conspiracies and pervasively diffused, but ultimately thoroughly debunked factoids.


Very entertaining writing...almost all of it wrong...African American's couldn't vote until Kennedy huh??? You failed history didn't you?

You are seriously trying to predict and election 1 year out??? 2 months ago and Obama was getting beating handily by "Generic Republican"

Really dude, get Rachel Madows ponderous clit out of your mouth, and wake up...it really doesn't matter WHO wins...we are fucked.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:59 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:Very entertaining writing...almost all of it wrong...African American's couldn't vote until Kennedy huh??? You failed history didn't you?

You are seriously trying to predict and election 1 year out??? 2 months ago and Obama was getting beating handily by "Generic Republican"

Really dude, get Rachel Madows ponderous clit out of your mouth, and wake up...it really doesn't matter WHO wins...we are fucked.


I am FULLY aware that the Civil Rights Act passed a few months after Kennedy's death. It was his initiative, however, and one of his most passionate pursuits (this side of hot blondes). The votes were already locked up in November of 1963. Don't try the bait and switch bullshit with me, Stu. Besides, you and the other dittoheads have been alternately getting on your soap boxes and making prognostications since 2009. And please, enlighten me to how "almost all of [my post] was wrong"! Please don't hesitate to use actual facts, for once, OK?

Now, I gotta tell you...if Maddow had long hair, I would probably go down on her until I had lockjaw. She's not nearly as hot as some of those mega-babes over on Fox, but for dyke Democrat, she's alright.
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Postby artist4perry » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:22 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Right. There are two massive settlements on the books, two additional women who have already come forward, as well as at least two other witnesses for two other women, bringing the "alleged" total to six. Quite a conspiracy, that. Thankfully, the Democrats had an '84 DeLorean that topped out at 88 MPH, and were able to go back in time to stage the two known (likely as well as four other) cases. You DO know his campaign in 2004 directly acknowledged these harassments before the it officially kicked off, right? I'm pretty sure the two women who were given $50,000 settlements were indignant at the time of the offenses. It's shocking that a woman would rush to the defense of a man whose guilt is so obvious...perhaps not as shocking when you realize she's the same woman who was adamant that a Democrat be removed from office for CONSENSUAL sex. Give me a break!

What a ridiculous notion. Where there's smoke, there's fire. For God's sake, America elected a black man in 2008. African Americans didn't even have the RIGHT to vote until the Kennedy Administration. It's laughable that Cain believes there's a media conspiracy to prevent a "businessman" from becoming President. Besides - any Republican with an ounce of common sense would be throwing their weight into some tangible solidarity for mega-businessman Mitt Romney, the only electable candidate for the right in 2012.

It's not looking good for the GOP. Obama beats every Republican candidate in a hypothetical poll. Similarly, Democrats hold a 10-15 point lead in generic polling for the House and the Senate for 2012. The Tea Party, which itself is supported by less than 25% of the population, mandated the GOP's doctrine for the past year, and the results have been devastating. The religious right's "Personhood" initiative failed in the most fundamentalist state in the Union, Mississippi, by a notable margin. Ohio voters overwhelmingly overturned the Republican governor's attempt to dismantle state unions. An attempt by the far right to recall two Democratic State Senators in Iowa failed miserably. And, for the first time in the history of the United States, a sitting State Senate President (Russell Pierce, in Arizona), was recalled while in office. More? How about same-day voter registration passing overwhelmingly in Maine. Don't forget that Virginia now has an openly gay State Senator, too.

No, it's not a good time to be a Republican. The GOP fumbled the game-winning touchdown on the 1 yard line, and they're watching the Democrats take the ball and race across the opposite goal line. If I were conservative, I would be FURIOUS with my party's leaders for allowing it to be hijacked by largely misinformed and uneducated, white, fat, middle-aged bald men dressing up in Victorian garb and incoherently mumbling about non-existent conspiracies and pervasively diffused, but ultimately thoroughly debunked factoids.


O.K. First off Princess Liberality don't get your panties in a bunch. :wink: :lol: Clinton had quite a few accusations of unwanted advances in Arkansas as Governor and you tout his greatness quite often. I am not saying the man is guilty or innocent, I am saying would you like it if your accused, and trust me they can get women out of the woodwork if paid enough dough to do so, and you are considered guilty before all the facts are in? Now as I said, if he is guilty then let that show. I am not voting for the man so cool your jets. I don't agree with all of his ideas, and I am on the fence with who is running right now. I just know Obama is not the golden boy he was proclaimed to be. I know you cannot borrow and spend your way out of a financial mess. That seems to be his strategy and it is bankrupting this country.

Seriously what does a Gay Senator have to do with Herman Cain's accusers? That made me laugh, what a ADD addition to your rant! LOL There have probably been quite a few gay Senators all through out history on both sides of the parties, and who cares? I don't vote only for a party. I have voted both ways in my lifetime and unlike many here I vote according to who I think will do the least amount of damage. Everyone should. Screw the party lines.

Here is a little tidbit about your precious party, did you realize during the day the some Democrats were pro-slavery? They changed their minds when they decided they could get more votes by changing their tunes. No party is above shame.

Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the American South. In the 19th century, they were the definitive pro-slavery wing of the party, opposed to both the anti-slavery Republicans (GOP) and the more liberal Northern Democrats.

I refuse to ever vote for a Southern Democrat to this day.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:47 pm

artist4perry wrote:I am saying would you like it if your accused, and trust me they can get women out of the woodwork if paid enough dough to do so, and you are considered guilty before all the facts are in? Now as I said, if he is guilty then let that show.

REALLY? Six different women! Wait until they find out who conceived and actualized THIS conspiracy!

artist4perry wrote:I just know Obama is not the golden boy he was proclaimed to be. I know you cannot borrow and spend your way out of a financial mess. That seems to be his strategy and it is bankrupting this country.

Since 90% of the deficit is attribuatable to Bush and his policies, and most economists believe the ONLY way out of a recession is for the government to spend money on job creation, I'm not giving you this bogey. You're just dead wrong on this one.

artist4perry wrote:Seriously what does a Gay Senator have to do with Herman Cain's accusers? That made me laugh, what a ADD addition to your rant! LOL There have probably been quite a few gay Senators all through out history on both sides of the parties, and who cares? I don't vote only for a party. I have voted both ways in my lifetime and unlike many here I vote according to who I think will do the least amount of damage. Everyone should. Screw the party lines.

If you can't discern the difference between the part of my post that dealt with Cain versus the part that dealt with the GOP as a whole, it's no wonder you vote Republican. The fact is, the tide is turning nationally, and your party is in trouble. And seriously, if you want anyone to believe you've ONCE voted for a Democrat, you'll need to show ONE OUNCE of moderism on ANY issues.

artist4perry wrote:Here is a little tidbit about your precious party, did you realize during the day the some Democrats were pro-slavery? They changed their minds when they decided they could get more votes by changing their tunes. No party is above shame.

You do realize we're in the year 2011, and not 1842, right? Germans once supported the Nazi party, too. Times have changed.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:57 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:Very entertaining writing...almost all of it wrong...African American's couldn't vote until Kennedy huh??? You failed history didn't you?

You are seriously trying to predict and election 1 year out??? 2 months ago and Obama was getting beating handily by "Generic Republican"

Really dude, get Rachel Madows ponderous clit out of your mouth, and wake up...it really doesn't matter WHO wins...we are fucked.


I am FULLY aware that the Civil Rights Act passed a few months after Kennedy's death. It was his initiative, however, and one of his most passionate pursuits (this side of hot blondes). The votes were already locked up in November of 1963. Don't try the bait and switch bullshit with me, Stu. Besides, you and the other dittoheads have been alternately getting on your soap boxes and making prognostications since 2009. And please, enlighten me to how "almost all of [my post] was wrong"! Please don't hesitate to use actual facts, for once, OK?

Now, I gotta tell you...if Maddow had long hair, I would probably go down on her until I had lockjaw. She's not nearly as hot as some of those mega-babes over on Fox, but for dyke Democrat, she's alright.


African Americans have had the right to vote since they were given citizenship after the civil war...now the Jim Crow laws prevented them, in some places, from voting notably in the south, and done by the southern Democrats.

I think Obama is a failure of a President, every bit as bad in his own way as Bush ever was...and Dittohead?? I can't STAND Rush Limbaugh.

Ok...where you are wrong...there were no "settlements" the women left, and were given standard severance packages. And as SOON as Allred is involved...you know its a put up. NO PROOF...its is their word against his...last I checked "innocent until proven guilty" is still the law of the land...which all begs the question why didn't any of them sue??? Probably because they knew they couldn't win. Not that I care...I don't support Cain...but at least evidence some FAIRNESS and quick jacking off to Olbermann as he cackles in glee at someones reputation being ruined via innuendo.

Voting...wrong wrong and wrong. Go back and read some history.

Where else...I don't think Obama beats anyone, I wouldnt be surprised if he gets primaried by his own party...who is equal disgusted with him.

You really want same day voter registration??? Seriously?? It doesn't bother you on iota that with no check of citizenship a person can go vote??? The most SACRED institution in our country, the one that allows us to elect people to represent us is going to be subverted in a minute. Again you don't have a problem with it???

As for the gay anything...I don't care...Good for them getting elected...it simply doesn't matter, at least not to me. Small L libertarian...less government in ALL aspects of our lives is what I want.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:58 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:
artist4perry wrote:I am saying would you like it if your accused, and trust me they can get women out of the woodwork if paid enough dough to do so, and you are considered guilty before all the facts are in? Now as I said, if he is guilty then let that show.

REALLY? Six different women! Wait until they find out who conceived and actualized THIS conspiracy!

artist4perry wrote:I just know Obama is not the golden boy he was proclaimed to be. I know you cannot borrow and spend your way out of a financial mess. That seems to be his strategy and it is bankrupting this country.

Since 90% of the deficit is attribuatable to Bush and his policies, and most economists believe the ONLY way out of a recession is for the government to spend money on job creation, I'm not giving you this bogey. You're just dead wrong on this one.

artist4perry wrote:Seriously what does a Gay Senator have to do with Herman Cain's accusers? That made me laugh, what a ADD addition to your rant! LOL There have probably been quite a few gay Senators all through out history on both sides of the parties, and who cares? I don't vote only for a party. I have voted both ways in my lifetime and unlike many here I vote according to who I think will do the least amount of damage. Everyone should. Screw the party lines.

If you can't discern the difference between the part of my post that dealt with Cain versus the part that dealt with the GOP as a whole, it's no wonder you vote Republican. The fact is, the tide is turning nationally, and your party is in trouble. And seriously, if you want anyone to believe you've ONCE voted for a Democrat, you'll need to show ONE OUNCE of moderism on ANY issues.

artist4perry wrote:Here is a little tidbit about your precious party, did you realize during the day the some Democrats were pro-slavery? They changed their minds when they decided they could get more votes by changing their tunes. No party is above shame.

You do realize we're in the year 2011, and not 1842, right? Germans once supported the Nazi party, too. Times have changed.



Oh yes...still on the Bush thing...you are REALLY wrong...90% huh?? ROFLMAO!!! Obama and the Democrats in congress, prior to 2010, spent more money as a % of GDP in TWO YEARS, than Bush spent in 8...that's a fact...Irrefutable as you would put it.
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