President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Monker]

Now, think of the most conservative presidential republican you can think of in the past 30 years? Reagan. He cleaned up big time, in one of the most historic landslides....

Reagan was against Carter and had a LOT of things going for him...especially a crappy economy. He then went against Mondale who tried to go old school Democrat. At that point in time, Democrats had to reinvent themselves...they were spending too much time looking back to JFK for political inspirations. It was not until Clinton that this changed.

Most Republicans are now doing the same thing with Reagan. Get over it...the party needs to do more then look for a Reagan clone. You will not win until that happens.

[RedWingFan]

Now, think of the most conservative presidential republican you can think of in the past 30 years? Reagan. He cleaned up big time, in one of the most historic landslides....

Reagan was against Carter and had a LOT of things going for him...especially a crappy economy. He then went against Mondale who tried to go old school Democrat. At that point in time, Democrats had to reinvent themselves...they were spending too much time looking back to JFK for political inspirations. It was not until Clinton that this changed.

Most Republicans are now doing the same thing with Reagan. Get over it...the party needs to do more then look for a Reagan clone. You will not win until that happens.

And why should we listen to someone who can't learn the difference between "then" and "than", or "moot" and "mute"?

[hoagiepete]

Someone please tell me how the net worth of Congressmen triple, quadruple or even more during their years in Congress on their salary?

I've brought this up before, but just can't let it rest. Where is 60 Frickin' Minutes when you need them?

[Seven Wishes2]

Don't blame ME...I voted for Kodos!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk12ALX9fz8&feature=related

[Seven Wishes2]

It doesn't matter WHO you vote for...either way, your planet is DOOMED!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfvvYuO6zHM

[slucero]

Someone please tell me how the net worth of Congressmen triple, quadruple or even more during their years in Congress on their salary?

I've brought this up before, but just can't let it rest. Where is 60 Frickin' Minutes when you need them?

'Nov. 14, 2011
60 Minutes' Blows The Lid Off Congressional Insider Trading

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95uC_wzUX4

[Monker]

Now, think of the most conservative presidential republican you can think of in the past 30 years? Reagan. He cleaned up big time, in one of the most historic landslides....

Reagan was against Carter and had a LOT of things going for him...especially a crappy economy. He then went against Mondale who tried to go old school Democrat. At that point in time, Democrats had to reinvent themselves...they were spending too much time looking back to JFK for political inspirations. It was not until Clinton that this changed.

Most Republicans are now doing the same thing with Reagan. Get over it...the party needs to do more then look for a Reagan clone. You will not win until that happens.

And why should we listen to someone who can't learn the difference between "then" and "than", or "moot" and "mute"?

Doesn't matter if you listen to me or not.

I'm not the member of your party, or the other, and definitely have no interest in caucusing for a party who can't get their heads out the 198x.

Get your shit together and then ask for my vote.

[RedWingFan]

Yeah, I'll be standing in line behind Glen Beck and Ann Coulter to vote for this nutjob!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12 ... -the-jews/

[slucero]

Yeah, I'll be standing in line behind Glen Beck and Ann Coulter to vote for this nutjob!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12 ... -the-jews/

'bout time you came around....

[conversationpc]

Yeah, I'll be standing in line behind Glen Beck and Ann Coulter to vote for this nutjob!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12 ... -the-jews/

Glenn Beck hasn't said he would vote for Paul. He was behind Bachman but now Santorum since she's out.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Yeah, I'll be standing in line behind Glen Beck and Ann Coulter to vote for this nutjob!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12 ... -the-jews/

Glenn Beck hasn't said he would vote for Paul. He was behind Bachman but now Santorum since she's out.

Whilsed on the subject of Sanatorum, what dummies in Iowa didn't do their research on this guy. And what is Glenn Beck thinking in supporting him?

He enthusiastically voted for Bush's no child left behind - the federal standards behind that have threatened the freedom of Christian (and non christian) homeschoolers - that group of people that he claims to support.

He stabbed a small government conservative Pat Toomey in the back to help out the lefty Arlen specter.

He enthusiastically supported the Bush medicaid expansion and all of his deficit spending all of his tarp money.

He supported the Patriot Act, nad the would have supported the new horrible provisions of the Defense Authorization Act.

Basically the guy is GW Bush a big government conservative who things its ok to ram big govt down peoples throuats. Elect him and your liberties will continue to get chiped away, and everyone will be saying its ok, a Republican wouldnt do that stuff .

Fuck, At least Bush didn't run around wearing a fucking nerdy sweater.

[conversationpc]

Yeah, I'll be standing in line behind Glen Beck and Ann Coulter to vote for this nutjob!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12 ... -the-jews/

Glenn Beck hasn't said he would vote for Paul. He was behind Bachman but now Santorum since she's out.

Whilsed on the subject of Sanatorum, what dummies in Iowa didn't do their research on this guy. And what is Glenn Beck thinking in supporting him?

He enthusiastically voted for Bush's no child left behind - the federal standards behind that have threatened the freedom of Christian (and non christian) homeschoolers - that group of people that he claims to support.

He stabbed a small government conservative Pat Toomey in the back to help out the lefty Arlen specter.

He enthusiastically supported the Bush medicaid expansion and all of his deficit spending all of his tarp money.

He supported the Patriot Act, nad the would have supported the new horrible provisions of the Defense Authorization Act.

Basically the guy is GW Bush a big government conservative who things its ok to ram big govt down peoples throuats. Elect him and your liberties will continue to get chiped away, and everyone will be saying its ok, a Republican wouldnt do that stuff .

Fuck, At least Bush didn't run around wearing a fucking nerdy sweater.

Don't ask me. I'm not a Santorum supporter.

[JrnyScarab]

Fact Finder must be slippin'. Figured he would be all over this:

"David Welden, a citizen of Georgia, filed a complaint under Georgia law challenging the qualifications of Obama to appear on the GA ballot for the office of President. He then contacted Liberty Legal Foundation and requested our assistance. We have been representing him in this action since December. Liberty Legal Foundation filed an opposition to Obama’s motion to dismiss. The Georgia court agreed with our reasoning. On January 3, 2012 Judge Malihi denied Obama’s motion. The court’s short opinion also clearly stated that Georgia law allows Mr. Weldon to challenge candidate Obama’s Constitutional qualifications to hold the office of President. This ruling ensures that the Georgia court will be the first court to address the substantive Constitutional issue of eligibility. All other courts that have heard challenges to Obama’s Constitutional qualifications to hold office have refused to address the substantive issue and have dismissed on procedural grounds."

[Monker]

Yeah, I'll be standing in line behind Glen Beck and Ann Coulter to vote for this nutjob!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12 ... -the-jews/

Glenn Beck hasn't said he would vote for Paul. He was behind Bachman but now Santorum since she's out.

Whilsed on the subject of Sanatorum, what dummies in Iowa didn't do their research on this guy. And what is Glenn Beck thinking in supporting him?

He enthusiastically voted for Bush's no child left behind - the federal standards behind that have threatened the freedom of Christian (and non christian) homeschoolers - that group of people that he claims to support.

He stabbed a small government conservative Pat Toomey in the back to help out the lefty Arlen specter.

He enthusiastically supported the Bush medicaid expansion and all of his deficit spending all of his tarp money.

He supported the Patriot Act, nad the would have supported the new horrible provisions of the Defense Authorization Act.

Basically the guy is GW Bush a big government conservative who things its ok to ram big govt down peoples throuats. Elect him and your liberties will continue to get chiped away, and everyone will be saying its ok, a Republican wouldnt do that stuff .

Fuck, At least Bush didn't run around wearing a fucking nerdy sweater.

It makes no difference, they all suck and a major complaint can be made against all of them. Republicans failed to present a single candidate who could excite the masses. The result is a rotation of front runners who are almost, but not quite, completely unlike Mitt Romney...who no selfish, arrogant, "Reagan conservative", Republican wants to support.

There is just no contest here and Obama will see another four years in office...the Republican party is basically handing it to him.

[RedWingFan]

http://jenkuznicki.com/2012/01/according-to-ron-paul/

According to Ron Paul

by Jen Kuznickion January 8, 2012
....

According to Ron Paul, in order to stop terrible oppressors like China from killing 100 million more of their own people, we need to play ping pong.

According to Ron Paul, if you intend to save the country and be credited with bringing it back to a Constitutional Republic, vote for only a few appropriation bills in 24 years, and earmark every nickel for the 14th District of Texas, that way, you are not spending money on frivolous things like the rest of the country.

According to Ron Paul, one must agree with the decision of Roe v. Wade because of the Constitutional right to privacy in the 4th amendment, but constantly proclaim you are pro-life.

According to Ron Paul, a “little bit of a difference” in foreign policy is stopping military support of Israel, since they are an illegitimate country in the first place, and that Israel is holding the Hamas-controlled Gaza strip as Hilter held the Jews in a concentration camp. Incidentally, Paul called Israel a “national socialist state” in his newsletters that he signed in 1987.

According to Ron Paul, not ruling out going third party is simply a reserve of judgement, since he is not sure yet how the primary race will pan out.

According to Ron Paul, Hamas is legitimate, and the Palestinians got ripped off, and cannot be the aggressors in the Middle East because they don’t have the power, and that US support for Israel is blind.

According to Ron Paul, the war on drugs must end with the legalization of all vice laws, because vice laws take away individual freedom to do what you wish, harming no one but yourself and your property. Not once has he suggested how to deal with the domestic violence and death associated with someone supposedly just harming himself.

Sewn up in a package as the potential leader of our nation, Ron Paul offers appeasement, self-absorption, incorrect and convenient reading of the Constitution, anti-Semitism, the idea that if he’s not the nominee, America deserves another 4 years of Obama, and absolute blindness of the people hurt by rampant drug use.

Given that package, Ron Paul is not really that much different than President Obama.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

My support is behind the official liberartian in the presidental race (Govenor Johnson) but I have to say, this is just a nonsensical hit piece devoid of any facts or sound argument.

http://jenkuznicki.com/2012/01/according-to-ron-paul/

According to Ron Paul

by Jen Kuznickion January 8, 2012

....

According to Ron Paul, in order to stop terrible oppressors like China from killing 100 million more of their own people, we need to play ping pong.

So what she trying to argue? Cute little snide commet with nothing behind it. That the promulgation of economic liberty and the openess that trade brings can't breed political liberty and openess? Libertarians simply say you cant effectively promote liberty by force.

According to Ron Paul, if you intend to save the country and be credited with bringing it back to a Constitutional Republic, vote for only a few appropriation bills in 24 years, and earmark every nickel for the 14th District of Texas, that way, you are not spending money on frivolous things like the rest of the country.

The fact simple fact is that EVERY penny of the budget ought to be earmarked. 100%. An earmark is simply saying what you are going to spend dollar x on and when you are going to spend dollar x. We wouldnt be in a mess if 100% if the US budget was carefully eamarked instead of just dumped into a general budget

According to Ron Paul, one must agree with the decision of Roe v. Wade because of the Constitutional right to privacy in the 4th amendment, but constantly proclaim you are pro-life.

Author might want to check her facts. Factually wrong, Ron Paul is a pro-life libertarian who believes that an individual's rights/their self ownership begins at conception. As such he has even supported some federal protection of the unborn, (unusual for him). Paul hasn't made a fourth admendment argument on abortion. He has incidentally made a 4th admendement argument against the Patriot Act.

According to Ron Paul, a “little bit of a difference” in foreign policy is stopping military support of Israel, since they are an illegitimate country in the first place, and that Israel is holding the Hamas-controlled Gaza strip as Hilter held the Jews in a concentration camp. Incidentally, Paul called Israel a “national socialist state” in his newsletters that he signed in 1987.

Im only in partial agreement with Paul's foreing policy, but to be fair Paul has said Israel also has the right to defend themselves. Also note he is no antisemite. He is an ardent supporter of the austrian school of economics. Every single leader/ founder of the school of which was a Jew (many of them having fled Vienna to the US

According to Ron Paul, not ruling out going third party is simply a reserve of judgement, since he is not sure yet how the primary race will pan out.

So what , I wont trade away my right to vote for a third party even though I think a second Obama term would be a disaster. Why because liberty is what made America great, not, the Republican party, not conservativism, and any candidate or party that wont make a commitment doesn't deserve your unbended absolute commitemnt because in the end of the day that party wont be any better for the country than Obama. Good on Ron Paul for this, Im glad the folks in Philadelphia in 1776 didn't decide to just work within the system so they could build consensus amongst the 66% percent of Philadelphia residents who supported the British.

According to Ron Paul, Hamas is legitimate, and the Palestinians got ripped off, and cannot be the aggressors in the Middle East because they don’t have the power, and that US support for Israel is blind.

see my comments above, bear in mind the focus of US policy ought to be for the legitimate defense and ultimate good of the US

According to Ron Paul, the war on drugs must end with the legalization of all vice laws, because vice laws take away individual freedom to do what you wish, harming no one but yourself and your property. Not once has he suggested how to deal with the domestic violence and death associated with someone supposedly just harming himself.

so the status quo is working? By the way RP stands for removing FEDERAL drug laws. )after all ther are no federal murder laws States would be able to outlaw drugs and thy would the same way they outlaw murder

Sewn up in a package as the potential leader of our nation, Ron Paul offers appeasement, self-absorption, incorrect and convenient reading of the Constitution, anti-Semitism, the idea that if he’s not the nominee, America deserves another 4 years of Obama, and absolute blindness of the people hurt by rampant drug use.

Given that package, Ron Paul is not really that much different than President Obama.

Nonsense. In fact Ron Paul's support among conservatives is becuase they are waking up and realising a contradiction:

People are starting to see that being against big government on the domestic front and then supporting big government when it wants to build a military industrial complex that is supported by runaway spending, forced taxation, and engages in misguided Wilsonian foreign policy that does nothing for the advance of liberty is a contradiction Furthermore Folks are realising that big government conservativism actually is a contradiction that actually is destroying the liberties of conservatives and their families. Furthermore they realise that only a return to liberty is what is going to fix the mess we've got into.

Im sure many more conservatives will follow when they start to wake up to these contradictions. I sure did. RWF, The rest of you are just four to five years behind us. When you want to wake up to it, we promise we won't rub your noses in it and say I told you so.

[Monker]

Too true:

http://mobile.theonion.com/articles/600 ... obile=true

DES MOINES, IA—With a majority of precincts reporting, sources have confirmed a 600-pound recreation of a dairy cow sculpted entirely from freshly churned butter has won the 2012 Iowa Caucus. A staple at the Iowa State Fair and part of a tradition dating back to 1911, the 5-and-a-half-foot-tall, non-homogenized-milk-fat sculpture of a grazing bovine received 64 percent of the vote, easily defeating opponents Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, and Ron Paul. "For one thing, I’m more familiar and comfortable with the butter cow," said Iowa voter Horace Wright, who cited the creamy sculpture’s even demeanor, its pro-agriculture agenda, and the fact that it’s not Mitt Romney as his primary reasons for voting for it. "And second, looking at the rest of the field, I think at this point the butter cow is the Republican Party’s best shot at beating Obama in November." Exit polls revealed many caucus attendees considered Jon Huntsman, but ultimately concluded they didn’t want to waste their votes.

[Monker]

Im sure many more conservatives will follow when they start to wake up to these contradictions. I sure did. RWF, The rest of you are just four to five years behind us. When you want to wake up to it, we promise we won't rub your noses in it and say I told you so.

OH, please. Late? I've felt this way for at least 20yrs. How can a 'conservative' support amending the Constitution every time they courts do not go their way, for flag burning, abortion, etc. That's not being conservative, that's being a whiney baby. The same for going to war over everything. Going to war and spending billions is NOT conservative. Neither is making laws to control moral behavior.

None of that is conservative but Republicans will never see it that way...because of the $'s they get to buy their votes, and even those at the grass roots of their electorate.

That is why I say the party has a REAL issue of being out of touch. They want a Ronald Reagan...but Reagan would never be able to win a nomination today. He'd be called a rhino, a liberal, and all kinds of other crap from those in control. The Reagan coalition was formed because of his appeal to conservative DEMOCRATS and Independents...that type of appeal is now ridiculed by the party. They will continue to nominate people WAY too far to the right (like Santorum) who can't be elected...or they will nominate a moderate who loses their base.

Republicans are screwed...and until they change their ways, that is where they will stay.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Some good news for once. What if Every Senator and Congressman did this every year. 500,000 x 535 = 267,500,000 per year!

If everyone in Congress did that we wouldn't hate their sorry asses so much. Rand Paul for President - 2016!


Rand Paul returns $500K in office budget to Treasury

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By SCOTT WONG |
1/12/12 1:50 PM EST

Freshman Sen. Rand Paul is making good on his promise to cut federal spending. The Kentucky Republican and tea-party favorite said Thursday he’s returning $500,000 to the U.S. Treasury -- money from his operating budget that his office never spent.

The half million dollars represents about 16 percent of Paul’s annual budget, and he contends no senator has returned as much to taxpayers.

“I ran to stop the reckless spending. And I ran to end the damaging process of elected officials acting as errand boys, competing to see who could bring back the biggest check and the most amount of pork,” Paul said at a news conference in Louisville, where he presented taxpayers with a massive mock check for $500,000.

“I hope this sets an example for the rest of government – at all levels,” he added. “We can carry out our duties in a fiscally responsible way. Government can be both smart and efficient. We are proving that – and trying to convince the rest of Washington.”

Paul is the son of GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul and co-founded the Senate tea party caucus. As the younger Paul stumped for his father in Iowa and New Hampshire, there’s been plenty of speculation that Rand Paul could launch a presidential bid of his own in 2016.

Read more about: Rand Paul

[hoagiepete]

Newt's ex is trying to torpedo him (see ABC interview). Questions. Why now? Is she being bankrolled to come out with this by someone? Wonder if she was a model wife?

Politics is a sleezy business. Not saying he isn't a creep...he could be...but this kind of thing makes me sick.

By the way...what is happening in America...Mitt, Newt, Barrak... ??? Bring back a Bill or George.

Biden continues to be an idiot...telling a SF crowd..."The Giants are going to the superbowl! Where is Letterman, Maher, Comedy Central on this doof?

[Behshad]

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Newt's ex is trying to torpedo him (see ABC interview). Questions. Why now? Is she being bankrolled to come out with this by someone? Wonder if she was a model wife?

Politics is a sleezy business. Not saying he isn't a creep...he could be...but this kind of thing makes me sick.

By the way...what is happening in America...Mitt, Newt, Barrak... ??? Bring back a Bill or George.

Biden continues to be an idiot...telling a SF crowd..."The Giants are going to the superbowl! Where is Letterman, Maher, Comedy Central on this doof?

Reckon she is being funded by a group named ARFF. Association for the Revenge of Fugly Females. She'll be on billboards under a title the ugly empire strikes back. Holy smokes looking at her- ever her old pictures, shes a gal who never had it in the looks department. A one out of ten on a good day.

Now I see why he wanted a hotter wife - but thats no excuse for Newt. If you marry an ugly woman, you got to stick with it. Re Learn to masturbate, or slam a six pack of beer and three or four shots of jack before hitting bed and tell your self getting laid is getting laid it beats impotence. Thats what men of character do, they dont cheat, they suck it up.

[S2M]

All I need to know about politics I learned from MYSELF....

Politicians rarely get voted in due to reasons that actually matter. When someone likes a candidate because he is a god-faring man, or because he backs gay marriage, or some other, SORRY, trivial matter - they should have their voting rights revoked.

If people aren't voting: economy, jobs, or Iran - they should be bitch-slapped.

Conversely, when a politician loses an election due to some lame shit like 'speaking out against the vietnam war 40 FUCKING YEARS AGO!!!!!', or because they cheated on their wife - those people should be neutered.

The american people are TOO stupid to hold voting power.

[conversationpc]

:shock:

Whoever came up with that little definition is just as bad as they claim Santorum is.

[Memorex]

Notice to Produce:



Pursuant to OSAH Rule 616-1-2-.19, Defendant Barack Obama is hereby notified to be and appear before the Georgia Office of State Administrative Hearings, the Honorable Michael M. Malihi presiding, at the Fulton County Justice Center Building, 161 Pryor Street, Courtroom G-40, Atalanta, Georgia on January 26, 2012 at 9:00 a.m., and to bring with him into said Court the following items to be used as evidence by the Plaintiffs in the above-styled case:


(a) One (1) of the two (2) original certified copies of Defendant Barack Obama's ("long form") Certificate of Live Birth as referenced in the four (4) pages of Exhibit "A" attached;

(b) All medical, religious, administrative, or other records of or related to Defendant Barack Obama's birth;

(c) Any and all United States Passports, passport applications, and passport-related records for Defendant Barack Obama;

(d) Any and all passport, passport applications, and passport-related records for Defendant Barack Obama from any country, nation, or sovereignty;

(e) Any and all college and university admission information, both undergraduate and postgraduate, for Defendant Barack Obama, including, but not limited to, admission applications; letters of recommendation; school transcripts; financial aid applications; scholarship applications; and any and all correspondence awarding admission, financial aid, scholarships, or the like;

(f) Any and all applications and accompanying materials submitted by or for Defendant Barack Obama to the State Bar of Illinois, the State Supreme Court of Illinois, the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois, and any other similar entity regulating the admission to the practice of law;

(g) Any and all other documents, materials, and papers having any relation to the subject of the birthplace, citizenship, denizenship, and national origin of Defendant Barack Obama;

(h) Any and all other documents, materials, and papers having any relation to the subject of the birthplace, citizenship, denizenship, and national origin of Defendant's father, Barack Obama Sr.

(i) All correspondence between Defendant Barack Obama and any other person, firm, political party, or entity discussing Defendant's status vel non as a natural born Citizen pursuant to Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States Constitution.

Defendant will note that the preceding items are requested hereby, whether they pertain to Defendant under his name Barack Obama or any other name, including but not limited to Barack Hussein Obama II; Barry Soetoro; Barry Soebarkah; Barry Obama, or the like.

For one reason or another, this will never happen.

[donnaplease]

You tell 'em, Chuck!!! I would LOVE to see Newt debate Obama... I think he'd wipe the floor with him.

[Seven Wishes2]

You tell 'em, Chuck!!! I would LOVE to see Newt debate Obama... I think he'd wipe the floor with him.

Keep telling yourself that. Gingrich is a programmed robot. He's very smart, but he loses his temper, and when he does, he goes way over the edge.

[AR]

You tell 'em, Chuck!!! I would LOVE to see Newt debate Obama... I think he'd wipe the floor with him.

Keep telling yourself that. Gingrich is a programmed robot. He's very smart, but he loses his temper, and when he does, he goes way over the edge.

He answered that first question about his ex in the debate to perfection.

Honestly, I think he is the most intelligent one of all of them - but not electable.

This 2 party system needs to be blown up. I refuse to subscribe to one ideology or the other.

[AR]

Yeah, I'll be standing in line behind Glen Beck and Ann Coulter to vote for this nutjob!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12 ... -the-jews/

'bout time you came around....

slucero's avatar and signature say it all about how I feel politically these days.

[donnaplease]

You tell 'em, Chuck!!! I would LOVE to see Newt debate Obama... I think he'd wipe the floor with him.

Keep telling yourself that. Gingrich is a programmed robot. He's very smart, but he loses his temper, and when he does, he goes way over the edge.

You're right, he does lose his temper. It was disappointing how he got off topic when he was spatting with Mitt in Iowa. He seems to have refocused now, for how long is anyone's guess. But he absolutely could slay Obama in a debate. If anyone is a robot it's BO, and his memory chip seems to be broken, he keeps repeating the same lame lines over and over... Dunno if it's gonna work this election cycle or not.