President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Behshad]

I think anyone going by articles in Washington Times is the StoOpid one !

according to the latest analysis Tuesday by the Congressional Budget Office

CBO looked at 2007 through 2009

CBO said

CBO, the nonpartisan agency that serves as Congress’ official scorekeeper

CBO included

CBO = Government, the same government you dont trust any other time , but now they're yoursource of trustworthy info ?

[Memorex]

If 50% of Americans pay 0 income tax, and that's the lowest income levels, then who the hell is paying all the taxes?

Many corporations pay 0 (see General Electric). But for the most part, a wealthy person pays mucho grande.

[Behshad]

If 50% of Americans pay 0 income tax, and that's the lowest income levels, then who the hell is paying all the taxes?

Many corporations pay 0 (see General Electric). But for the most part, a wealthy person pays mucho grande.

The so called rich pay them all. B knows this, but he can't bring himself to come out and say it for some reason. I guess it doesn't help his liberal agenda. If the rich write it all off and pay zero as B suggest, then why does Obama and the Dems want to raise taxes on them in the first place, they'll just find another loophole, right B?

I dont agree with RAISING taxes on the rich. I think they need to follow through and make sure that EVERYBODY PAYS their taxes.

[Behshad]

If 50% of Americans pay 0 income tax, and that's the lowest income levels, then who the hell is paying all the taxes?

Many corporations pay 0 (see General Electric). But for the most part, a wealthy person pays mucho grande.

The so called rich pay them all. B knows this, but he can't bring himself to come out and say it for some reason. I guess it doesn't help his liberal agenda. If the rich write it all off and pay zero as B suggest, then why does Obama and the Dems want to raise taxes on them in the first place, they'll just find another loophole, right B?

I dont agree with RAISING taxes on the rich. I think they need to follow through and make sure that EVERYBODY PAYS their taxes.

Well that's not gonna happen with liberals in charge. They want as many on the gov teat as humanly possible. That's how they get their votes.

Are you suggesting that with Romney in office we will actually block the loopholes and make sure that EVERYONE contributes?

[Behshad]

If 50% of Americans pay 0 income tax, and that's the lowest income levels, then who the hell is paying all the taxes?

Many corporations pay 0 (see General Electric). But for the most part, a wealthy person pays mucho grande.

The so called rich pay them all. B knows this, but he can't bring himself to come out and say it for some reason. I guess it doesn't help his liberal agenda. If the rich write it all off and pay zero as B suggest, then why does Obama and the Dems want to raise taxes on them in the first place, they'll just find another loophole, right B?

I dont agree with RAISING taxes on the rich. I think they need to follow through and make sure that EVERYBODY PAYS their taxes.

Well that's not gonna happen with liberals in charge. They want as many on the gov teat as humanly possible. That's how they get their votes.

Are you suggesting that with Romney in office we will actually block the loopholes and make sure that EVERYONE contributes?

No, but now I am suggesting that you are twisting words just like my wife does. You know what I meant honey.

Your words are twisted before you even speak/type type them , due to the twisted source they come from.

[Behshad]

B, when the facts are on your side, argue the facts. When the law is on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, bang the table.


Quit banging the table and twisting things around and please try to stay on topic. All of your BS is just that, BS.

I am staying on topic, youre the one who is baning your head on the table!

I asked you a plain and simple question that you couldnt answer. You ASSUMED that I wanted higher taxes for rich people, which is not true.
I have the facts : People find loopholes to avoid paying taxes, that needs to be stopped. No taxes should be raised on rich (or poor), but we need to make sure that we all contribute and pay. Or if they can get away with not paying, then take it all away so NO ONE pays any taxes. Simple enough for you ?

[slucero]

So the real solution is to eliminate loopholes by eliminating them... and instead simply tax consumption. We can then move the economy AWAY from its dependance on consumers, and our culture of consumption in excess, instead incent frugality (there's a forgotten character trait...), and reward those who SAVE... which is a foundation block of healthy, robust economies..

[Behshad]

B, when the facts are on your side, argue the facts. When the law is on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, bang the table.


Quit banging the table and twisting things around and please try to stay on topic. All of your BS is just that, BS.

I am staying on topic, youre the one who is baning your head on the table!

I asked you a plain and simple question that you couldnt answer. You ASSUMED that I wanted higher taxes for rich people, which is not true.
I have the facts : People find loopholes to avoid paying taxes, that needs to be stopped. No taxes should be raised on rich (or poor), but we need to make sure that we all contribute and pay. Or if they can get away with not paying, then take it all away so NO ONE pays any taxes. Simple enough for you ?

But we're not all contributing and paying dumbass, close to 50% of Americas pay no Income Tax. 100% of our budget comes from 50% of the people with the top earners paying over 90% of all taxes collected. Now if you want to agree with me that the 50% who don't pay should pay something then we agree, but we both know that ain't gonna happen. The moochers are gonna mooch. Your assertion that the rich all write it all off and pay zero tax is absurd and no one here, except maybe Monker believes that. It ain't true no matter how bad you want to believe it.

First of, youre the fucking dumbass. Second of all when I say we ALL need to pay in I include everyone that is not paying rich or poor. And a lot of rich people DO not pay any PERSONAL income tax cause theyre running everything under business name and that way they get away with it. You will never understand this, cause you are and will always be a dumbass.

[Behshad]

B, when the facts are on your side, argue the facts. When the law is on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, bang the table.


Quit banging the table and twisting things around and please try to stay on topic. All of your BS is just that, BS.

I am staying on topic, youre the one who is baning your head on the table!

I asked you a plain and simple question that you couldnt answer. You ASSUMED that I wanted higher taxes for rich people, which is not true.
I have the facts : People find loopholes to avoid paying taxes, that needs to be stopped. No taxes should be raised on rich (or poor), but we need to make sure that we all contribute and pay. Or if they can get away with not paying, then take it all away so NO ONE pays any taxes. Simple enough for you ?

But we're not all contributing and paying dumbass, close to 50% of Americas pay no Income Tax. 100% of our budget comes from 50% of the people with the top earners paying over 90% of all taxes collected. Now if you want to agree with me that the 50% who don't pay should pay something then we agree, but we both know that ain't gonna happen. The moochers are gonna mooch. Your assertion that the rich all write it all off and pay zero tax is absurd and no one here, except maybe Monker believes that. It ain't true no matter how bad you want to believe it.

First of, youre the fucking dumbass. Second of all when I say we ALL need to pay in I include everyone that is not paying rich or poor. And a lot of rich people DO not pay any PERSONAL income tax cause theyre running everything under business name and that way they get away with it. You will never understand this, cause you are and will always be a dumbass.

And those businesses pay taxes, lots of them. If the owners take a salary they get taxed like everyone else. If an owner doesn't need a salary good for him, but the profits from that business are taxed. You act like every rich person out there doesn't pay one dime in tax and that is just not true. There may be some who can use loopholes and get off scott free but there ain't many. The bigger problem here is the 50% who pay nothing at all and get everything handed to them on a EBT Card, funded by the people who do pay taxes, including the rich.

Theyre both part of the problem in 2 different ways.
Just because the Rich mans business pays taxes, doesnt mean he should get away with it. He has to pay his personal tax just the same way that you and I do.
and I dont think ALL rich people do that. There are many rich and honest people that DO pay their taxes. But you expect the poor to pay taxes, but if theyre living off of you and I , how can they pay taxes ?

[Monker]

If 50% of Americans pay 0 income tax, and that's the lowest income levels, then who the hell is paying all the taxes?

Many corporations pay 0 (see General Electric). But for the most part, a wealthy person pays mucho grande.

Not if they are smart and invest their money and take most of their income from capital gains. If they do this, and MANY do, then they pay a lower effective tax rate then the middle class.

In fact, there is no reason a 'rich' person has an effective tax rate of more then 20% or so.

THAT is wrong and should be stopped.

When most of the wealth of the nation is stuck in then top 3% or so of the country, OF COURSE they are going to pay most of the taxes, if you count dollars. The truth is the rich pay a less effective tax rate then at any time in our nations history...and they still pay more, much more, $'s then the middle class. This SHOULD signal the HUGE income gap that exists in this country...that the middle class is becoming so poor that they can NOT be counted on to fund our government spending, and are struggling to drive our economy. Instead, it's just an out of context statistic to use to show that the rich pay too much taxes already. Lame.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

So the real solution is to eliminate loopholes by eliminating them... and instead simply tax consumption. We can then move the economy AWAY from its dependance on consumers, and our culture of consumption in excess, instead incent frugality (there's a forgotten character trait...), and reward those who SAVE... which is a foundation block of healthy, robust economies..

100% agree - where taxes are necessary they should be consumption taxes. Not only for the reasons you site, but most people would end up paying less in tax overall.

And it provides people a little bit more of a choice of what level of taxation they want to consent to (if I don't want to pay taxes to the state, I can live like hermit, have a few chickens and a vegetable plot, and minimize the amount of cash I send to the state through consumption taxes)


By the way for the record , there is one presidential candidate smart enough to support this idea..........

[The Sushi Hunter]

One of the problems is, and this is a root cause issue, America allows pretty much anybody to vote. People are voting that have no education, no understanding of economics, etc. It's like bringing someone into a shop who has never worked on a car before and having them vote on how a mechanic should work on a car's engine.

The country would be in a much better situation if eliminated from the voting pool were the people who don't work, don't pay taxes, on government assistance, use drugs, etc. This "no vote" llist would not include retirees who paid taxes their entire working lifes but are on social security now. Too many ignorant and or people with destructive agenda's have been voting in this country and that shit needs to stop. That's the root cause of why America is so fucked up right now.

[hoagiepete]

One of the problems is, and this is a root cause issue, America allows pretty much anybody to vote. People are voting that have no education, no understanding of economics, etc. It's like bringing someone into a shop who has never worked on a car before and having them vote on how a mechanic should work on a car's engine.

The country would be in a much better situation if eliminated from the voting pool were the people who don't work, don't pay taxes, on government assistance, use drugs, etc. This "no vote" llist would not include retirees who paid taxes their entire working lifes but are on social security now. Too many ignorant and or people with destructive agenda's have been voting in this country and that shit needs to stop. That's the root cause of why America is so fucked up right now.

Uneducated votes is a problem. Disallowing their vote is a bit extreme.

The biggest problem is getting qualified people to run for office. Anyone truly successful in the private sector have no desire to subject themselves to what those in public office have to deal with. Therefore, we get a bunch of clueless voters voting on clueless politicians.

[slucero]

One of the problems is, and this is a root cause issue, America allows pretty much anybody to vote. People are voting that have no education, no understanding of economics, etc. It's like bringing someone into a shop who has never worked on a car before and having them vote on how a mechanic should work on a car's engine.

The country would be in a much better situation if eliminated from the voting pool were the people who don't work, don't pay taxes, on government assistance, use drugs, etc. This "no vote" llist would not include retirees who paid taxes their entire working lifes but are on social security now. Too many ignorant and or people with destructive agenda's have been voting in this country and that shit needs to stop. That's the root cause of why America is so fucked up right now.

You should learn a little bit about American voting history before you make such suggestions..


Currently:

• Eligibility to vote in the U.S. is determined by both Federal and state law.
• The Constitution leaves the determination of voting qualifications to the individual states.

So the States have always had the right to qualify voters.. the Constitution however, prohibits States from denying the right to vote via certain forms of legal discrimination in establishing qualifications.


Your solution, would simply create a "privileged class" of voters and serve only to further divide an already divided populace. It is also entirely contrary to the intentions of the founding of this country as a Republic. It is also why Congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965.


A better solution would be the reintroduction of Civics & Government into the education system, and making it a required, and long term series of coursework that would follow students all the way though high school. Creating a literate citizen that is well educated on how the government runs, and how they have a DUTY to vote would go much further towards solving a "root cause" of what ails this country, instead than DENYING voting rights to a group... The very reason we have public school education in America is because in the early days of the country, our leaders thought we had to teach our young generation about citizenship. This used to be mandatory (I remember having the classes) back in the 70's, but even then they were only a semester or two. Over time Civics & Government education has fallen by the wayside due to budget cuts and curriculum changes. So much so that:

• The National Assessment of Educational Progress reported that students perform worse in civics and U.S. history than in any other subject.
• In over half the states in the union, civics education is not required.

Former Supreme Court justice Sandra Day O’Connor has championed this cause for a long time.. this site is the result: http://www.icivics.org/

[The Sushi Hunter]

One of the problems is, and this is a root cause issue, America allows pretty much anybody to vote. People are voting that have no education, no understanding of economics, etc. It's like bringing someone into a shop who has never worked on a car before and having them vote on how a mechanic should work on a car's engine.

The country would be in a much better situation if eliminated from the voting pool were the people who don't work, don't pay taxes, on government assistance, use drugs, etc. This "no vote" llist would not include retirees who paid taxes their entire working lifes but are on social security now. Too many ignorant and or people with destructive agenda's have been voting in this country and that shit needs to stop. That's the root cause of why America is so fucked up right now.

Uneducated votes is a problem. Disallowing their vote is a bit extreme.

The biggest problem is getting qualified people to run for office. Anyone truly successful in the private sector have no desire to subject themselves to what those in public office have to deal with. Therefore, we get a bunch of clueless voters voting on clueless politicians.

Exactly. I didn't start voting until I could see past the end of my penus, and at 18 years old, that's as far as I could see.

Kids these days right out of highschool are voting but have not a god damn clue on how things really work, and that's why Obama specifically targeted that age group during the 2009 election. Easy prey, easy votes. Then you got a bunch of fuckups who had all the opportunities for success like the rest of us but choose to fuck their lives all away. And now after they are tired of sleeping in the bed that they made for themselves, they vote on stupid shit if it means they get more handouts from the tax payers.

[Ehwmatt]

One of the problems is, and this is a root cause issue, America allows pretty much anybody to vote. People are voting that have no education, no understanding of economics, etc. It's like bringing someone into a shop who has never worked on a car before and having them vote on how a mechanic should work on a car's engine.

The country would be in a much better situation if eliminated from the voting pool were the people who don't work, don't pay taxes, on government assistance, use drugs, etc. This "no vote" llist would not include retirees who paid taxes their entire working lifes but are on social security now. Too many ignorant and or people with destructive agenda's have been voting in this country and that shit needs to stop. That's the root cause of why America is so fucked up right now.

You should learn a little bit about American voting history before you make such suggestions..


Currently:

• Eligibility to vote in the U.S. is determined by both Federal and state law.
• The Constitution leaves the determination of voting qualifications to the individual states.

So the States have always had the right to qualify voters.. the Constitution however, prohibits States from denying the right to vote via certain forms of legal discrimination in establishing qualifications.


Your solution, would simply create a "privileged class" of voters and serve only to further divide an already divided populace. It is also entirely contrary to the intentions of the founding of this country as a Republic. It is also why Congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965.


A better solution would be the reintroduction of Civics & Government into the education system, and making it a required, and long term series of coursework that would follow students all the way though high school. Creating a literate citizen that is well educated on how the government runs, and how they have a DUTY to vote would go much further towards solving a "root cause" of what ails this country, instead than DENYING voting rights to a group... The very reason we have public school education in America is because in the early days of the country, our leaders thought we had to teach our young generation about citizenship. This used to be mandatory (I remember having the classes) back in the 70's, but even then they were only a semester or two. Over time Civics & Government education has fallen by the wayside due to budget cuts and curriculum changes. So much so that:

• The National Assessment of Educational Progress reported that students perform worse in civics and U.S. history than in any other subject.
• In over half the states in the union, civics education is not required.

Former Supreme Court justice Sandra Day O’Connor has championed this cause for a long time.. this site is the result: http://www.icivics.org/

Civic education is noble and all, but I really believe we're past that point. We've simply reached a point where our melting pot has overflown and is melting the fabric of this country. The basic ideological creeds that dominate the political spectrum are polarizing, and there's very little common ground thematically between the two ideologies. Civic education can't save us any more than great communication and sex could save a marriage where the 2 partners have absolutely nothing in common personally.

[slucero]

Civic education is noble and all, but I really believe we're past that point. We've simply reached a point where our melting pot has overflown and is melting the fabric of this country. The basic ideological creeds that dominate the political spectrum are polarizing, and there's very little common ground thematically between the two ideologies. Civic education can't save us any more than great communication and sex could save a marriage where the 2 partners have absolutely nothing in common personally.

I disagree... it's been 30 years since Civics & Government was a curriculum staple... If it was re-instituted in force, it would only take one K-12 generation for the change to occur in the student population, and maybe 2 generations for the general society...

Everything you cite: ideology creeds, thematic common ground... are all symptomatic of a lack of literacy regarding just what that "melting pot" is (or used to) symbolize..

Nationalism does not just happen.. it must be reinforced.

I remember in college my American History teacher stopping class, single out a group of Vietnamese students for their dis-interest, then proceed to lecture them directly about why they should care about this stuff. That professor was a Chinese born, nationalized US citizen with a doctorate in American History.

The fabric if this country IS the melting pot.. the problem is that one of the necessary ingredients (Civics and Government) is no longer added...

Denying voting rights is not the answer either...

[Monker]

Monker quote:

Not if they are smart and invest their money and take most of their income from capital gains.

Before they could afford to invest, what rate did they pay to accumulate cash for the investment?

A penny....because you can invest that in your savings.

And, the interest should be taxed exactly the same for investing in a bank or investing in a corporate stock.

[Monker]

This is MARGINAL tax rates. This does NOT account for capital gains taxes or deductions and loophole. You are pretty naive if you believe the 'rich' are paying that rate on all of their income. If you start looking into it, you will find the top effective tax rate is around 21%...with over 40% of the income coming from capital gains.

Let us examine this tax thingy for a second.

2012 Tax Rates

Single Filing Status

[Tax Rate Schedule X, Internal Revenue Code section 1(c)]

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,700, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,700 to $35,350,
•25% on taxable income over $35,350 to $85,650,
•28% on taxable income over $85,650 to $178,650,
•33% on taxable income over $178,650 to $388,350,
•35% on taxable income over $388,350.

Married Filing Jointly or Qualifying Widow(er) Filing Status

[Tax Rate Schedule Y-1, Internal Revenue Code section 1(a)]

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $17,400, plus
•15% on taxable income over $17,400 to $70,700,
•25% on taxable income over $70,700 to $142,700,
•28% on taxable income over $142,700 to $217,450
•33% on taxable income over $217,450 to $388,350,
•35% on taxable income over $388,350.

Married Filing Separately Filing Status

[Tax Rate Schedule Y-2, Internal Revenue Code section 1(d)]

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,700,
•15% on taxable income over $8,700 to $35,350,
•25% on taxable income over $35,350 to $71,350,
•28% on taxable income over $71,350 to $108,725,
•33% on taxable income over $108,725 to $194,175,
•35% on taxable income over $194,175.

Head of Household Filing Status

[Tax Rate Schedule Z, Internal Revenue Code section 1(b)]

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $12,400,
•15% on taxable income over $12,400 to $47,350,
•25% on taxable income over $47,350 to $122,300,
•28% on taxable income over $122,300 to $198,050,
•33% on taxable income over $198,050 to $388,350,
•35% on taxable income over $388,350.



How Marginal Tax Rates are Used

Individuals can use the tax rate schedules in a number of ways to help plan their finances. You can use these tax rates to figure out how much tax you will pay on extra income you earn. For a taxpayer in the 25% tax bracket, extra income will be taxed at that rate until the taxpayer reaches the next tax bracket.

Alternatively, you can use these tax rates to figure out how much tax you will save by increasing your deductions. A taxpayer in the 28% tax bracket, for example, will save 28 cents in federal tax for every dollar spent on a tax-deductible expense, such as mortgage interest or charity.

Be aware that marginal tax rates interact with other tax rates, including the alternative minimum tax, Social Security tax, and Medicare tax rates. In particular, the alternative minimum tax can push income into a higher tax rate or eliminate the tax savings of deductions.

Source: the official tax brackets for 2012 were published by the Internal Revenue Service in Revenue Procedure 2011-52 (21 pages, pdf).

_________________________________________________________________________________________________


So right off the bat we see how the lower incomes get off without being taxed as much as the rich. When you figure in the standard deduction ($5,950) and exemption ($3,800), a single person earns the first $9,750 tax free to begin with. A married couple with one kid can earn the first $23,300 tax free, two kids and it's $27,100 in income, tax free. Then, these same people with kids, making $15 or $20K a year can get a refundable EITC $3000 or $4000 tax refund, all the while qualifying for an EBT card and other assistance programs.

It's safe to say that income taxes per se, don't really add up too much for those under the $30K mark if married w/kids or if you're single and make $10 grand or more. There are millions in these two categories.

[The Sushi Hunter]

In my dealings I notice that a lot of democrats are jumping that sinking ship. But will it be enough in November?

[Monker]

Be aware that marginal tax rates interact with other tax rates, including the alternative minimum tax, Social Security tax, and Medicare tax rates. In particular, the alternative minimum tax can push income into a higher tax rate or eliminate the tax savings of deductions.

And, the effective tax rate is what people are ACTUALLY taxed at...which is why you do not want to accept it as reality.

When as much as 50% of a person's income is taxed at 15%, you are simply an idiot if you think they are being taxed at 30% or more.

The marginal tax rate is a useless number. In the 1950's, the marginal tax rate was over 90%...but, again, you are an idiot if you think that is what was actually being paid by the rich. The top 5% find ways around paying the marginal rate. Any rich person who is paying the full rate is a complete idiot with his money, or is using an idiot for a tax attorney.

[Monker]

Be aware that marginal tax rates interact with other tax rates, including the alternative minimum tax, Social Security tax, and Medicare tax rates. In particular, the alternative minimum tax can push income into a higher tax rate or eliminate the tax savings of deductions.

And, the effective tax rate is what people are ACTUALLY taxed at...which is why you do not want to accept it as reality.

When as much as 50% of a person's income is taxed at 15%, you are simply an idiot if you think they are being taxed at 30% or more.

The marginal tax rate is a useless number. In the 1950's, the marginal tax rate was over 90%...but, again, you are an idiot if you think that is what was actually being paid by the rich. The top 5% find ways around paying the marginal rate. Any rich person who is paying the full rate is a complete idiot with his money, or is using an idiot for a tax attorney.

Which is one reason why Congress came up with the dreadful alternative minimum tax. A tax that has now creeped into the lives of millions taxpayers.

So, you are making an argument that the rich pay their fair share by using marginal tax rates, which you now admit are not a fair representation of what rate is truly paid. Nice that you try so hard to misrepresent the facts.

[tater1977]

[The Sushi Hunter]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... uild-that/

[Behshad]

Thank you for the TV commercial idea Barry,

Love,
Mitt


If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

- Barack Obama July 14, 2012

Surprise Surprise, the villiage idiot has to twist everything. It's very simple and every business owner knows that the most important part of a business is the clients.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/did-obama-say-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that/

Obama's statement is based on a philosphical argument that he stole from Elizabeth Warren who stole it from others before her . Its a piss poor argument that has been proven to be logically untrue numerous times. To save my fingers ....

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/elizabet ... -the-rich/

[Behshad]

Thank you for the TV commercial idea Barry,

Love,
Mitt


If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

- Barack Obama July 14, 2012

Surprise Surprise, the villiage idiot has to twist everything. It's very simple and every business owner knows that the most important part of a business is the clients.

Didn't twist a thing, that's exactly what your idiot said verbatim. I thank him for saying what some of us have long believed.

Youre the idiot for not understanding the point, even after it was explained to you

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Thank you for the TV commercial idea Barry,

Love,
Mitt


If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

- Barack Obama July 14, 2012

Surprise Surprise, the villiage idiot has to twist everything. It's very simple and every business owner knows that the most important part of a business is the clients.

Obama wasn't referring to clients in his speech

[Behshad]

Thank you for the TV commercial idea Barry,

Love,
Mitt


If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

- Barack Obama July 14, 2012

Surprise Surprise, the villiage idiot has to twist everything. It's very simple and every business owner knows that the most important part of a business is the clients.

Didn't twist a thing, that's exactly what your idiot said verbatim. I thank him for saying what some of us have long believed.

Youre the idiot for not understanding the point, even after it was explained to you

Believe me, I got his point, and you are the last person who need explain anything to me. Enjoy the next 5 or so months of your zero hero bro.

You still think that Romney has a chance ?

[Behshad]

Thank you for the TV commercial idea Barry,

Love,
Mitt


If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

- Barack Obama July 14, 2012

Surprise Surprise, the villiage idiot has to twist everything. It's very simple and every business owner knows that the most important part of a business is the clients.

Obama wasn't referring to clients in his speech

Enlighten us , kindly !


A business isnt a business without help from others , other than who founded it. Others involved most importantly the clients, but also of course the workers and anyone involved in getting that business to where it went from Start (bottom) to TOP.