President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Biden was Obama's "Ryan".....

I don't think so. Ryan has buzz in conservative circles and a reputation for being a GOP young gun unafraid to make tough fiscal decisions (even when the math doesn't add up). Biden was more like Cheney. An old Washington leftover, and staple on Sunday morning roundtable talk shows. The only buzz he had was for loving to hear himself talk. For the Obama campaign, picking Biden didn't energize anybody. It was a net nothing.

[slucero]

Biden was Obama's "Ryan".....

I don't think so. Ryan has buzz in conservative circles and a reputation for being a GOP young gun unafraid to make tough fiscal decisions (even when the math doesn't add up). Biden was more like Cheney. An old Washington leftover, and staple on Sunday morning roundtable talk shows. The only buzz he had was for loving to hear himself talk. For the Obama campaign, picking Biden didn't energize anybody. It was a net nothing.

right.. and Romney isn't (hasn't) energized the the Republican party either... the addition of Ryan does that. Ryan is a perceived fiscal hawk, equally conservative and younger than Romney.


Romney is to Biden, as Obama is to Ryan.

[slucero]

lol

[Behshad]

He did it again....keep 'em coming Barry...

"Too many folks still don't have a sense that tomorrow will be better than today. And so, the question in this election is which way do we go?" President Obama asked at a fundraiser in Chicago on Sunday. "Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared?" Obama asked. "Or do we go backward to the same policies that got us in the mess in the first place?" "I believe we have to go forward," Obama said. "I believe we have to keep working to create an America where no matter who you are, no matter what you look like, no matter where you come from, no matter what your last name is, no matter who you love, you can make it here if you try. That's what's at stake in November. That's what is why I am running for a second term as president of the United States of America."

Dude, even if you dont agree with that, surely you must realize that there are more voters out there that are on poverty/middle class level than the top rich level. So that line you highlighted actually buys him more votes than you think.

[Behshad]

He did it again....keep 'em coming Barry...

"Too many folks still don't have a sense that tomorrow will be better than today. And so, the question in this election is which way do we go?" President Obama asked at a fundraiser in Chicago on Sunday. "Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared?" Obama asked. "Or do we go backward to the same policies that got us in the mess in the first place?" "I believe we have to go forward," Obama said. "I believe we have to keep working to create an America where no matter who you are, no matter what you look like, no matter where you come from, no matter what your last name is, no matter who you love, you can make it here if you try. That's what's at stake in November. That's what is why I am running for a second term as president of the United States of America."

Dude, even if you dont agree with that, surely you must realize that there are more voters out there that are on poverty/middle class level than the top rich level. So that line you highlighted actually buys him more votes than you think.

Damn, you admitted it. I am shocked.

So you are on board with taking from the top level and making them share whatever they have with O being the arbitrator of who gets what. Gotchya..it's rare that a lib will admit this, so it's good to get it out there for real.

First of I admitted to nothing. I pointed it out to you that what YOU personally see as something negative, many voters out there see as something good for them. In case you havent noticed , this country is full of free-loaders , many of them will vote
I personally dont believe with the rich SHARING their wealth with middle and lower class. However I do think that the rich should pay the same tax (%) as you and I, regardless of how much they make. Unfortunately many of them dont, using the loopholes and getting away with it. Our Economy is hurting as much because of that as the lazybones who get on welfare instead of getting a job. Capice ?

[The Sushi Hunter]

First of I admitted to nothing. I pointed it out to you that what YOU personally see as something negative, many voters out there see as something good for them. In case you havent noticed , this country is full of free-loaders , many of them will vote
I personally dont believe with the rich SHARING their wealth with middle and lower class. However I do think that the rich should pay the same tax (%) as you and I, regardless of how much they make. Unfortunately many of them dont, using the loopholes and getting away with it. Our Economy is hurting as much because of that as the lazybones who get on welfare instead of getting a job. Capice ?

Too bad noBOzo 2012 or any other Democrat that I know of has admitted to that as being even one of the reasons. If they have, please tell me when and where that was, in case I missed it.

[Behshad]

First of I admitted to nothing. I pointed it out to you that what YOU personally see as something negative, many voters out there see as something good for them. In case you havent noticed , this country is full of free-loaders , many of them will vote
I personally dont believe with the rich SHARING their wealth with middle and lower class. However I do think that the rich should pay the same tax (%) as you and I, regardless of how much they make. Unfortunately many of them dont, using the loopholes and getting away with it. Our Economy is hurting as much because of that as the lazybones who get on welfare instead of getting a job. Capice ?

Too bad noBOzo 2012 or any other Democrat that I know of has admitted to that as being even one of the reasons. If they have, please tell me when and where that was, in case I missed it.

B was damn near sounding like a Romney voter with that response, I'm getting out of his way.

I would never vote for someone who cheated on taxes, shipped jobs overseas and wants to give the rich a tax break! Giving a tax break to the rich is as bad if not worse as allowing free-loaders take advantage of the welfare system

What is there to admit to Sushi ? Are you suggesting that with Romney in office they (free-loaders) will get a job !? Are you suggesting that there were no free-loaders prior to Obama's term? Romney will not take anything away from the free-loaders. All he will do is make you and I pay higher tax to make up for the tax break for the rich, so the welfare people dont get as much from the rich but more from you and I

[Behshad]

Ahem, show us where Mitt cheated on his taxes.

Ahem, show me his tax records and I will show you

[Behshad]

Ahem, show us where Mitt cheated on his taxes.

Ahem, show me his tax records and I will show you

Awe how cute. Whats next? he didnt ship jobs overseas ?
Of course you have nothing to come up with when it comes to Mitty's taxes , but its your lucky day , stinky :

Romney's 2010 tax return, when combined with his FEC disclosure, reveals red flags that raise serious tax compliance questions with respect to his possible tax minimization strategies in earlier years. The release in October of his 2011 return will at best act as a distraction from these questions.

So, what are the issues?

The first is Romney's Swiss bank account.
Most presidential candidates don't think it appropriate to bet that the U.S. dollar will lose value by speculating in Swiss Francs, which is basically the rationale offered by the trustee of Romney's "blind" trust for opening this account. What's more, if you really want just to speculate on foreign currencies, you don't need a Swiss bank account to do so.The Swiss bank account raises tax compliance questions, too.

The account seems to have been closed early in 2010, but was the income in fact reported on earlier tax returns? Did the Romneys timely file the required disclosure forms to the Treasury Department (so-called FBAR reports)?

The IRS announced in 2009 a partial tax amnesty for unreported foreign bank accounts, in light of the Justice Department's criminal investigations involving several Swiss banks. To date, some 34,500 Americans have taken advantage of such amnesty programs. Did the Romneys avail themselves of any of these amnesty programs? One hopes that such a suggestion is preposterous, but that is what disclosure is for -- to replace speculation with truth-telling to the American people.



Second, Romney's $100 million IRA is remarkable in its size.
Even under the most generous assumptions, Romney would have been restricted to annual contributions of $30,000 while he worked at Bain. How does this grow to $100 million?

One possibility is that a truly mighty oak sprang up virtually overnight from relatively tiny annual acorns because of the unprecedented prescience of every one of Romney's investment choices.

Another, which on its face is quite plausible, is that Romney stuffed far more into his retirement plans each year than the maximum allowed by law by claiming that the stock of the Bain company deals that the retirement plan acquired had only a nominal value. He presumably would have done so by relying on a special IRS "safe harbor" rule relating to the taxation of a service partner's receipt of such interests, but that rule emphatically does not apply to an interest when sold to a retirement plan, which is supposed to be measured by its true fair market value.



Third, the vast amounts in Romney's family trusts raise a parallel question:

Did Romney report and pay gift tax on the funding of these trusts or did he claim similarly unreasonable valuations, which likewise would have exposed him to serious penalties if all the facts were known?

Fourth, the complexity of Romney's one publicly released tax return, with all its foreign accounts, trusts, corporations and partnerships, leaves even experts (including us) scratching their heads. Disclosure of multiple years' tax returns is part of the answer here, but in this case it isn't sufficient. Romney's financial affairs are so arcane, so opaque and so tied up in his continuing income from Bain Capital that more is needed, including an explanation of the $100 million IRA.

Finally, there's the puzzle of the Romneys' extraordinarily low effective tax rate.

For 2010, the Romneys enjoyed a federal tax rate of only 13.9% on their adjusted gross income of roughly $22 million, which gave them a lower federal tax burden (including payroll, income and excise taxes) than the average American wage-earning family in the $40,000 to $50,000 range. The principal reason for this munificently low tax rate is that much of Romney's income, even today, comes from "carried interest," which is just the jargon used by the private equity industry for compensation received for managing other people's money.

The vast majority of tax scholars and policy experts agree that awarding a super-low tax rate to this one form of labor income is completely unjustified as a policy matter. Romney has not explained how, as president, he can bring objectivity to bear on this tax loophole that is estimated as costing all of us billions of dollars every year.

[The Sushi Hunter]

What is there to admit to Sushi?

Just what I asked in my previous post, which is:

First of I admitted to nothing. I pointed it out to you that what YOU personally see as something negative, many voters out there see as something good for them. In case you havent noticed , this country is full of free-loaders , many of them will vote
I personally dont believe with the rich SHARING their wealth with middle and lower class. However I do think that the rich should pay the same tax (%) as you and I, regardless of how much they make. Unfortunately many of them dont, using the loopholes and getting away with it. Our Economy is hurting as much because of that as the lazybones who get on welfare instead of getting a job. Capice ?

Too bad noBOzos 2012 or any other Democrat that I know of has admitted to that as being even one of the reasons. If they have, please tell me when and where that was, in case I missed it.

[Behshad]

What is there to admit to Sushi?

Just what I asked in my previous post.

OK then and I answered

[The Sushi Hunter]

What is there to admit to Sushi?

Just what I asked in my previous post.

OK then and I answered

Well you're the only "so called" dem who's even mentioned about lazy people getting on welfare and not getting a job as being at least a partial reason for the financial situation we've got in America now.

It must be completely taboo for dems to even think let alone say this is a reason for the problems.

[Behshad]

What is there to admit to Sushi?

Just what I asked in my previous post.

OK then and I answered

Well you're the only "so called" dem who's even mentioned about lazy people not wanting to work being at least a partial reason for the financial situation we've got in America now.

Im not a democrat. The lazy people not wanting to work are a huge part of our problems no doubt, but mentioning lazy people wont help the matter one bit . The problem we have is much bigger than just democrats mentioning it or admit to it. Hell if democrats were smart they would use that (lazy people not wanting to work) in their defense for the high unemployment rate.

[The Sushi Hunter]

What is there to admit to Sushi?

Just what I asked in my previous post.

OK then and I answered

Well you're the only "so called" dem who's even mentioned about lazy people not wanting to work being at least a partial reason for the financial situation we've got in America now.

Im not a democrat. :P The lazy people not wanting to work are a huge part of our problems no doubt, but mentioning lazy people wont help the matter one bit . The problem we have is much bigger than just democrats mentioning it or admit to it. Hell if democrats were smart they would use that (lazy people not wanting to work) in their defense for the high unemployment rate.

Well you should be, the way you rationalize is right up their alley. And is that why Dems don't mention lazy people, they think something miraculous will take place like God automatically unfucking them someday?

[Behshad]

What is there to admit to Sushi?

Just what I asked in my previous post.

OK then and I answered

Well you're the only "so called" dem who's even mentioned about lazy people not wanting to work being at least a partial reason for the financial situation we've got in America now.

Im not a democrat. :P The lazy people not wanting to work are a huge part of our problems no doubt, but mentioning lazy people wont help the matter one bit . The problem we have is much bigger than just democrats mentioning it or admit to it. Hell if democrats were smart they would use that (lazy people not wanting to work) in their defense for the high unemployment rate.

Well you should be, he way you rationalize is right up their alley. And is that why Dems don't mention lazy people, they think something like God will just unfuck them automatically someday?

You think MENTIONING them will make the problem go away ?

Do you think Romney would eliminiate them? No! There will still be lazy people on welfare if Romney gets in office!

[The Sushi Hunter]

You think MENTIONING them will make the problem go away ?

Do you think Romney would eliminiate them? No! There will still be lazy people on welfare if Romney gets in office!

Yeah, no one better mention it to them because if we did, there may be at least a few that may actually rethink what they are not doing and end up going out and getting a job instead. NoBOzos 2012 isn't mentioning it either, but he's sure making it even easier not to work anymore but still get money since he changed up the Welfare to Work law.

Seriously, not mentioning it only makes them feel that it must be exceptable behavior, after all, no one's mentioning otherwise. Cutting the funding and stiffening the requirements will help get people to rethink what they are not doing also. I've never been on welfare, my family has never been on welfare. I was almost homeless twice in my life, but I busted my ass to keep from going under. I'm not special, if I can do it, so can millions who are on government assist.

[slucero]

if both of you guys think either:

• a Republican led government OR
• a Democrat led government

are gonna turn off anything that addicts people to government, when BOTH parties have had ample opportunity to do so in the last 40 years..



yer nuts... (it's all lip service)

[No Surprize]

You think MENTIONING them will make the problem go away ?

Do you think Romney would eliminiate them? No! There will still be lazy people on welfare if Romney gets in office!




No shit! This has been escalating the last 25 years and now has come to fruition. Laziness is passed on from AR to Ar's. Just kidding Ed. People not wanting to work if you handed them a job with a silver spoon. Immigrants are killing us. Coming into this country, many illegally, having kid after kid after kid, getting free medical care (payed for by us), and sucking the life and soul out of SS. EVERYONE should have to pay their fair share. If you get welfare, you should have to document what the money is spent on, actively looking for work, and having to PAY BACK a portion on the welfare you were given during the year. Republicans are ALWAYS looking out for the RICH, ALWAYS. Let's give this corporation a break, they employ a lot of people. So fucking what. What about giving that small business owner the SAME kind of tax breaks, huh republicans? I didn't think so. The middle class has to bust their nuts to make a buck and the repub's love it! Let's give all the OIL companies tax breaks, they donate millions to our campaign. Fuck a republican with a tea bagger.

[The Sushi Hunter]

There isn't another country on this planet that gives immigrants, both legal and illegal, more benefits then America does. Its not rocket science figuring out the reasons why people come to America.

Another reason people come to America which isn't really talked about as much in America as it is outside of America is, if you want to commit crimes, come to America because we have by far the most lavish prison systems on the planet. Even if you do a crime that is punishable by death, that means you can live in the lavish prison system and most likely just die of old age before ever being executed.

The death sentence in Japan is very cool. If someone's condemed to death, the Japanese don't tell you when that date will be. One mement they just come to your holding cell and escort you out of the cell and to the place where they take care of business.

As of late March 2012, there were 135 people awaiting execution in Japan.

[Behshad]

if both of you guys think either:

• a Republican led government OR
• a Democrat led government

are gonna turn off anything that addicts people to government, when BOTH parties have had ample opportunity to do so in the last 40 years..



yer nuts... (it's all lip service)

BINGO !

I dont think either of them can eliminiate the welfare system nor the lazy people mis-using it.
I also dont think that either of the parties can come up with a solution where the majority , THE MIDDLE CLASS , will benefit from any of their proggrams.

I do however think that with Obama, we have less to worry about. We wont have to worry about huge tax breaks for the rich. We wont have to worry about another war.
Im not rich so If Romney gets in office, I will get screwed cause people in middle class like me have to make up for the huge tax breaks the rich get.
Both sides do provide us with some lip service as you mentioned above, but in the end we all choose what we think is best for us and our family.

[The Sushi Hunter]

It all boils down to the "don't haves" are pissed at the "do-haves" because the "do-haves" have more then the "don't haves". It's just easier for some people to blame others and live in constant denial then to straighten up and work for something on their own.

[Behshad]

There isn't another country on this planet that gives immigrants, both legal and illegal, more benefits then America does. Its not rocket science figuring out the reasons why people come to America.

Another reason people come to America which isn't really talked about as much in America as it is outside of America is, if you want to commit crimes, come to America because we have by far the most lavish prison systems on the planet. Even if you do a crime that is punishable by death, that means you can live in the lavish prison system and most likely just die of old age before ever being executed.

The death sentence in Japan is very cool. If someone's condemed to death, the Japanese don't tell you when that date will be. One mement they just come to your holding cell and escort you out of the cell and to the place where they take care of business.

As of late March 2012, there were 135 people awaiting execution in Japan.

You got it all wrong.

Look at Scandinavian countries. They have the most giving immigiration and welfare system. You think its bad here, its 10 times worse there when it comes to providing for those who are LAZY.
Also when it comes to crime, they have no death penalty. hell they dont even have an actual life time punishment.
Our problems isnt immigrants. Our problem is ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, but thats not the only people who hurt this country. We have plenty American citizens who are too lazy to work and contribute to the society. Not all immigrants are bad for this country, just the same as not all americans are good for this country.

[The Sushi Hunter]

if both of you guys think either:

• a Republican led government OR
• a Democrat led government

are gonna turn off anything that addicts people to government, when BOTH parties have had ample opportunity to do so in the last 40 years..



yer nuts... (it's all lip service)

BINGO !

I dont think either of them can eliminiate the welfare system nor the lazy people mis-using it.
I also dont think that either of the parties can come up with a solution where the majority , THE MIDDLE CLASS , will benefit from any of their proggrams.

I do however think that with Obama, we have less to worry about. We wont have to worry about huge tax breaks for the rich. We wont have to worry about another war.
Im not rich so If Romney gets in office, I will get screwed cause people in middle class like me have to make up for the huge tax breaks the rich get.
Both sides do provide us with some lip service as you mentioned above, but in the end we all choose what we think is best for us and our family.

NoBOzos 2012 did change up the Welfare to Work Law. So I guess he's doing his part to help a specific group not pull their own weight.

[Behshad]

It all boils down to the "don't haves" are pissed at the "do-haves" because the "do-haves" have more then the "don't haves". It's just easier for some people to blame others and live in constant denial then to straighten up and work for something on their own.

The dont-haves have no right to be pissed at the do-haves. but at the same token, the do-haves can not get away with not paying taxes the same way the middle class does. I dont think the do-haves owe anything to the dont-haves. but without the middle class neither the do-haves & dont-haves would exist!

[The Sushi Hunter]

The wealthy do pay taxes.

[Behshad]

The wealthy do pay taxes.

Not all of them !! there are loopholes for them that makes it easy for them to get away with it. Specially wealthy business owners who can run personal stuff under business to avoid SALES tax, but also all the write offs they rack up at end of year to get away with paynig taxes.
Now with that said, not ALL wealthy people are crooks , but there are plenty of them out there. Just the same way that not every single person on welfare system is a crook, but plenty of them out there as well.
Neither of the 2 candidate will do a damn thing about either the wealthy or poor crooks. Thats our main problem. As the middle class we are doomed.

[The Sushi Hunter]

The wealthy do pay taxes.

Not all of them !! there are loopholes for them that makes it easy for them to get away with it. Specially wealthy business owners who can run personal stuff under business to avoid SALES tax, but also all the write offs they rack up at end of year to get away with paynig taxes.
Now with that said, not ALL wealthy people are crooks , but there are plenty of them out there. Just the same way that not every single person on welfare system is a crook, but plenty of them out there as well.
Neither of the 2 candidate will do a damn thing about either the wealthy or poor crooks. Thats our main problem. As the middle class we are doomed.

Yeah and there are loopholes that the not rich use as well.

[Behshad]

The wealthy do pay taxes.

Not all of them !! there are loopholes for them that makes it easy for them to get away with it. Specially wealthy business owners who can run personal stuff under business to avoid SALES tax, but also all the write offs they rack up at end of year to get away with paynig taxes.
Now with that said, not ALL wealthy people are crooks , but there are plenty of them out there. Just the same way that not every single person on welfare system is a crook, but plenty of them out there as well.
Neither of the 2 candidate will do a damn thing about either the wealthy or poor crooks. Thats our main problem. As the middle class we are doomed.

Yeah and there are loopholes that the not rich use as well.

Exactly ! Thats what I just said, both the poor and rich crooks get away with it and Romney/Obama wont be able to do a damn thing about it.
I just can not justify paying MORE in taxes to provide for the people on welfare, only because Mitt thinks the rich need a bigger tax break. I would totally vote for him if I was making the kinda money he makes!

[The Sushi Hunter]

The wealthy do pay taxes.

Not all of them !! there are loopholes for them that makes it easy for them to get away with it. Specially wealthy business owners who can run personal stuff under business to avoid SALES tax, but also all the write offs they rack up at end of year to get away with paynig taxes.
Now with that said, not ALL wealthy people are crooks , but there are plenty of them out there. Just the same way that not every single person on welfare system is a crook, but plenty of them out there as well.
Neither of the 2 candidate will do a damn thing about either the wealthy or poor crooks. Thats our main problem. As the middle class we are doomed.

Yeah and there are loopholes that the not rich use as well.

Exactly ! Thats what I just said, both the poor and rich crooks get away with it and Romney/Obama wont be able to do a damn thing about it.
I just can not justify paying MORE in taxes to provide for the people on welfare, only because Mitt thinks the rich need a bigger tax break. I would totally vote for him if I was making the kinda money he makes!

Well I don't make the kind of money he makes but I'm not letting that stop me from voting for anyone but noBOzos 2012.

There used to be a time when the voters would vote for the person who had shown that they can run a successful business. That's a thing of the past now as is to lead by example. What business was BO successful in owning or operating before becoming Prez? None and it obviously shows.

[Behshad]

The wealthy do pay taxes.

Not all of them !! there are loopholes for them that makes it easy for them to get away with it. Specially wealthy business owners who can run personal stuff under business to avoid SALES tax, but also all the write offs they rack up at end of year to get away with paynig taxes.
Now with that said, not ALL wealthy people are crooks , but there are plenty of them out there. Just the same way that not every single person on welfare system is a crook, but plenty of them out there as well.
Neither of the 2 candidate will do a damn thing about either the wealthy or poor crooks. Thats our main problem. As the middle class we are doomed.

Yeah and there are loopholes that the not rich use as well.

Exactly ! Thats what I just said, both the poor and rich crooks get away with it and Romney/Obama wont be able to do a damn thing about it.
I just can not justify paying MORE in taxes to provide for the people on welfare, only because Mitt thinks the rich need a bigger tax break. I would totally vote for him if I was making the kinda money he makes!

Well I don't make the kind of money he makes but I'm not letting that stop me from voting for anyone but noBOzos 2012.

There used to be a time when the voters would vote for the person who had shown that they can run a successful business. That's a thing of the past now as is to lead by example. What business was BO successful in owning or operating before becoming Prez? None and it obviously shows.

What kind of business did Romney start from scratch? Anything and everything he has is from his wealthy parents Obama came from nothing, poverty and reached the highest level you can reach in this country! That should show you how successful Obama is!
Care to share what moves Obama has made that has changed your income and life in a negative way ? If Romney gets in office which he wont, I will ask you the same in couple years and lets see what answers you will have then