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Postby Memorex » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:09 am

Rick wrote:http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?

It’s enough to make even the most ardent Obama cynic scratch his head in confusion.

Amidst all the cries of Barack Obama being the most prolific big government spender the nation has ever suffered, Marketwatch is reporting that our president has actually been tighter with a buck than any United States president since Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Who knew?

Check out the chart –

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So, how have the Republicans managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative?

It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.

The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.

Accordingly, the first budget that can be blamed on our current president began in 2010 with the budgets running through and including including fiscal year 2013 standing as charges on the Obama account, even if a President Willard M. Romney takes over the office on January 20, 2013.

So, how do the actual Obama annual budgets look?

Courtesy of Marketwatch-

    In fiscal 2010 (the first Obama budget) spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.
    In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.
    In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.
    Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

No doubt, many will wish to give the credit to the efforts of the GOP controlled House of Representatives. That’s fine if that’s what works for you.

However, you don’t get to have it both ways. Credit whom you will, but if you are truly interested in a fair analysis of the Obama years to date—at least when it comes to spending—you’re going to have to acknowledge that under the Obama watch, even President Reagan would have to give our current president a thumbs up when it comes to his record for stretching a dollar.


This analysis has been debunked. First off, if you come in and add nearly a trillion of stimulus to a previous budget, well that part is yours. Second, if you want to count the stimulus as the previous guy that's fine, but when you increase spending over that, even if it's only a small percent, that's huge. The graph shows increase in spending, not how much was spent.

Not to mention, Obama care affects many budgets in the future while collecting money for it now.
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Postby Behshad » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:26 pm

You're really running out of material. How are you gonna last the next two months , FakeFinder ?!
And then you're really gonna need some help to copy and paste more crap for another four years. :lol: All this stress can't be good for you.
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Postby slucero » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:45 pm

Behshad wrote:You're really running out of material. How are you gonna last the next two months , FakeFinder ?!
And then you're really gonna need some help to copy and paste more crap for another four years. :lol: All this stress can't be good for you.


Sort of like your auto company profits....

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Postby conversationpc » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:11 am

Memorex wrote:This analysis has been debunked. First off, if you come in and add nearly a trillion of stimulus to a previous budget, well that part is yours. Second, if you want to count the stimulus as the previous guy that's fine, but when you increase spending over that, even if it's only a small percent, that's huge. The graph shows increase in spending, not how much was spent.

Not to mention, Obama care affects many budgets in the future while collecting money for it now.


Thanks for saving me the time looking this up again. I've seen this posted on Facebook numerous times and knew it to be false when I laid eyes on it again here.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:13 am

Rick wrote:Yep. That whole ID card thing was to make it harder for poor people (Democrats) to vote.

They're that despicable.


Whoever floated this lie is the one who is despicable. In Indiana, and I've recently discovered other similar states, who've passed voter ID, it's been found that minority participation is actually UP. Regardless, there's really no excuse for any voting-age person is this country to not have the proper ID to cast a vote when it's needed for so many other things. Besides that, it's still possible for those folks without the ID to cast a provisional ballot without the ID.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/despite-vo ... rgi/nR2bx/

http://munews.missouri.edu/news-release ... ter-id.php

From the second linked article on Indiana's law...

"Previous studies have examined the effects of voter ID laws more generally, but none of these separately analyzes the effects of so called ‘mandatory photo ID’ on turnout in Indiana,” Milyo said. “I examined a variety of models on voter turnout. After controlling for several factors that influence county-wide turnout, there is no consistent or statistically significant evidence that the photo ID law depressed turnout in counties with greater percentages of minority, poor or elderly voters. Contrary to conventional wisdom, turnout in Democratic-leaning counties actually increased in the wake of the new photo ID requirements, all else constant"...

“Existing theory and empirical research suggest that the impact of photo ID on voter turnout should be negligible; overwrought claims to the contrary are simply not supported by the evidence,” he said. “If opponents of voter ID laws really want to remove barriers to voting, they should consider working to make it easier for people to keep their voter registration current, rather than working to undermine the enforcement of voter registration laws.”
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Postby Monker » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:38 am

That's interesting....you basically equate "poor people" to mean minorities. So, all poor people in this country are minorities. Yours is a very racist post, IMO.



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Rick wrote:Yep. That whole ID card thing was to make it harder for poor people (Democrats) to vote.

They're that despicable.


Whoever floated this lie is the one who is despicable. In Indiana, and I've recently discovered other similar states, who've passed voter ID, it's been found that minority participation is actually UP. Regardless, there's really no excuse for any voting-age person is this country to not have the proper ID to cast a vote when it's needed for so many other things. Besides that, it's still possible for those folks without the ID to cast a provisional ballot without the ID.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/despite-vo ... rgi/nR2bx/

http://munews.missouri.edu/news-release ... ter-id.php

From the second linked article on Indiana's law...

"Previous studies have examined the effects of voter ID laws more generally, but none of these separately analyzes the effects of so called ‘mandatory photo ID’ on turnout in Indiana,” Milyo said. “I examined a variety of models on voter turnout. After controlling for several factors that influence county-wide turnout, there is no consistent or statistically significant evidence that the photo ID law depressed turnout in counties with greater percentages of minority, poor or elderly voters. Contrary to conventional wisdom, turnout in Democratic-leaning counties actually increased in the wake of the new photo ID requirements, all else constant"...

“Existing theory and empirical research suggest that the impact of photo ID on voter turnout should be negligible; overwrought claims to the contrary are simply not supported by the evidence,” he said. “If opponents of voter ID laws really want to remove barriers to voting, they should consider working to make it easier for people to keep their voter registration current, rather than working to undermine the enforcement of voter registration laws.”
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:44 am

Monker wrote:That's interesting....you basically equate "poor people" to mean minorities. So, all poor people in this country are minorities. Yours is a very racist post, IMO.



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Rick wrote:Yep. That whole ID card thing was to make it harder for poor people (Democrats) to vote.

They're that despicable.


Whoever floated this lie is the one who is despicable. In Indiana, and I've recently discovered other similar states, who've passed voter ID, it's been found that minority participation is actually UP. Regardless, there's really no excuse for any voting-age person is this country to not have the proper ID to cast a vote when it's needed for so many other things. Besides that, it's still possible for those folks without the ID to cast a provisional ballot without the ID.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/despite-vo ... rgi/nR2bx/

http://munews.missouri.edu/news-release ... ter-id.php

From the second linked article on Indiana's law...

"Previous studies have examined the effects of voter ID laws more generally, but none of these separately analyzes the effects of so called ‘mandatory photo ID’ on turnout in Indiana,” Milyo said. “I examined a variety of models on voter turnout. After controlling for several factors that influence county-wide turnout, there is no consistent or statistically significant evidence that the photo ID law depressed turnout in counties with greater percentages of minority, poor or elderly voters. Contrary to conventional wisdom, turnout in Democratic-leaning counties actually increased in the wake of the new photo ID requirements, all else constant"...

“Existing theory and empirical research suggest that the impact of photo ID on voter turnout should be negligible; overwrought claims to the contrary are simply not supported by the evidence,” he said. “If opponents of voter ID laws really want to remove barriers to voting, they should consider working to make it easier for people to keep their voter registration current, rather than working to undermine the enforcement of voter registration laws.”


Gosh, imagine that...The race card. Who'd a thunk that, huh? :roll:

I wasn't responding just to Rick's post here but the arguments, in general, that voter ID laws are "racist" AND "anti-poor". To simply point out the opposite is only racist in a partisan hack's mind. Try putting more than a couple of brain cells together next time.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:02 am

Fact Finder wrote:http://www.demconvention.com/official-providers-distribution/

Authorized Pickup

All pickup persons must have a state-issued ID that matches the name submitted below.


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http://charlottein2012.com/security/

Pedestrians walking to their home or business that falls into a restricted area will be required to provide identification when the road is closed. Passenger (as opposed to commercial) vehicles attempting to enter streets with restricted vehicle access must go through a vehicle checkpoint.

What type of identification is required?

A standard issued government ID is requested.


Why, of course...A major political party being hypocritical. Imagine that! :lol:
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Postby Rick » Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:22 am

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Behshad wrote:You're really running out of material. How are you gonna last the next two months , FakeFinder ?!
And then you're really gonna need some help to copy and paste more crap for another four years. :lol: All this stress can't be good for you.



I'm never out of material...here's an oldie and a damned goodie for everyone..4 years ago.

Hello Children

Hey there children-

Yes, this is Dean, and yes Andrew, I hijacked her acct for ONE post and one only.

" Bring it Home"

Barack Obama is a good man, a smart man, and a very astute and political man. I don't see the impending victory as a win for me, or for Lula, or for Jana or 7 wishes. I see it as a win and victory for all of America and more importantly, the world. yes the world. Contrary to what others here have commented on, the world does indeed matter. The United States is a major player if not THE player in global politics, but it does have to dance with partners.

So many points to address and so many good people to talk to.

Here goes.

Wendy, ala Treetop. This woman has been nothing but gracious and golden to Lula, Wyatt Trevor and myself. Despite our differences in politics, and the fact Vancouver beat her Duckies last night, we love Wendy. A truly wholesome person, and this applies to your husband as well!

Stuart. Great guy, very well educated, wrong on almost everything. Hey buddy, was looking back in time tonight, and came across some early old school posts..you have email. I would go to war with this guy anytime, anywhere, anyhow.

I need to share a quick story with you all. I vividly recall arriving in Bakersfield, CA via bus, on my way to see my college attending kids in northern California. I was transferring to a train and remember talking to Stu about the election. At the time, McCain had the lead, and Bible Barbie had just been nominated for VP, and she brought the buzz, and a lot of hard ons too! me included!, thus preventing any Obama momentum coming out of the Denver rock star like convention. Stu was running his mouth, as I would have been too, about a Mac victory. I told Stuey, "ok dude, 3 dollars per electoral college vote difference." He agreed, and in two weeks, I was up 500+ dollars. I quickly wiped that wager clean as I am not about taking money from a good person like Stuart. He can buy shots all night if he wants, but to ask him for 3 dollars per ev? Stu cannot afford 630 bucks can he? Yes, I have BO taking ND, MT and Georgia. Don't freak out if Obama gets Louisiana either.

7 Wishes. Go apply for a job at EPA. They could use you and you could help them. You have been correct the entire time regarding Global Warming. Don't let the cut and paste Cons riddle you with clutter.

TNC- This guy is flat out amazing. he even dislikes me for my Dem roots and pizzaz, but NO ONE can disagree with this guys intellect. He is the only person on this board I want no part of.

Jana- I called BJG a "whore." It was me, but you showed true class in defending her. I shouldn't have pulled that shit. -1 for me.

Raiderfan/RedWingFan- I love your passion and disagree with your politics, but hey, that's ok, as we are all on the same team. Godspeed to your son. Prayers to you and your family, Scott.

Fact Finder- Fuck off cocksucker! haha, LOL j/k. Again, a concerned, involved citizen who disagrees with me, but I am unashamed to say you are a smart guy, or girl. Come to think of it, what the Hell are you? You never post a pic, or laugh at the sexist jokes.?

Dave PC- This guy, infuriates me to no end. Why? Because he makes articulte posts and is a helluve nice guy. Go fuck yourself:)

Now, my address to you all-----

Folks, put down the remote. Stop thinking ACORN is siphoning off votes from Mac, and putting fakes into BO's pile. Turn off Matthews. Blitzer, and Hume. Just watch America show the world(hopefully), what freedom is all about. Tuesday will usher into power a new leader. NO MATTER who it is, I will fully support him and cheer him on. That's what we do here in the USA. I have NO doubt FF, RWF or Stu would root against Barack Obama, and Lula, 7, and the Cause would root against Mac. What we are all rooting for is for America to reclaim it's place on the world's stage as the headliner, the fucking show closer. The USA is not some Euro band opening for a Swede act, ok? One thing I have seen here, is BOTH sides cannot wait for these retarded fuckholes to leave office. Stu is on record as saying such. DavePC, RWF and FF aren't hardened Shrub backers. If Obama is a horrible president, I will be the first to hack back into Lula's acct and state on record, he sucks big black horse cock. However, like I did for Bush 43, I gave him a chance. I ask you, who's candidate may lose, and lose big Tuesday, that you back the new leader, regardless of party affiliation. I can tell you, that at least Lula and I sure as Hell won't rub it into your faces shall BO win. Been on the other side of that, and to tell you truth, she is still worried about the outcome. Anyway, I hope you get what I am saying here. Unity. Unity. Unity.

My dream is a United States that is truly United. And oh yeah, Bruce Springsteen is in the Cabinet, somehow.


PPS- How many of you fuckers aren't going to comment either good or bad about me, when Bruce plays the Super Bowl in Tampa on the biggest stage in TV? hahaha

Love all you guys and girls.

Be good.



Thanks for posting that. Great reading that again. He sure had a way with words.
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Postby Monker » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:40 pm

conversationpc wrote:
Monker wrote:That's interesting....you basically equate "poor people" to mean minorities. So, all poor people in this country are minorities. Yours is a very racist post, IMO.



conversationpc wrote:
Rick wrote:Yep. That whole ID card thing was to make it harder for poor people (Democrats) to vote.

They're that despicable.


Whoever floated this lie is the one who is despicable. In Indiana, and I've recently discovered other similar states, who've passed voter ID, it's been found that minority participation is actually UP. Regardless, there's really no excuse for any voting-age person is this country to not have the proper ID to cast a vote when it's needed for so many other things. Besides that, it's still possible for those folks without the ID to cast a provisional ballot without the ID.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/despite-vo ... rgi/nR2bx/

http://munews.missouri.edu/news-release ... ter-id.php

From the second linked article on Indiana's law...

"Previous studies have examined the effects of voter ID laws more generally, but none of these separately analyzes the effects of so called ‘mandatory photo ID’ on turnout in Indiana,” Milyo said. “I examined a variety of models on voter turnout. After controlling for several factors that influence county-wide turnout, there is no consistent or statistically significant evidence that the photo ID law depressed turnout in counties with greater percentages of minority, poor or elderly voters. Contrary to conventional wisdom, turnout in Democratic-leaning counties actually increased in the wake of the new photo ID requirements, all else constant"...

“Existing theory and empirical research suggest that the impact of photo ID on voter turnout should be negligible; overwrought claims to the contrary are simply not supported by the evidence,” he said. “If opponents of voter ID laws really want to remove barriers to voting, they should consider working to make it easier for people to keep their voter registration current, rather than working to undermine the enforcement of voter registration laws.”


Gosh, imagine that...The race card. Who'd a thunk that, huh? :roll:

I wasn't responding just to Rick's post here but the arguments, in general, that voter ID laws are "racist" AND "anti-poor". To simply point out the opposite is only racist in a partisan hack's mind. Try putting more than a couple of brain cells together next time.


Nobody mentioned minorities in these posts. In fact, the ONLY arguments I have seen regarding the recent surge in Republican interest in reigning in the non-existent voter fraud problem is that it makes it harder for the poor to vote, which affects Democrats almost exclusively...just as Rick said.

You ARE saying that all poor people are minorities. THAT is racist. Fact...not a 'card'.

Another fact, you said that there is no excuse for somebody to not have a photo ID. Where I live, there are only two places in the county to get a photo ID. A poor person does not have easy transportation to get to the DOT stations to get the ID...THAT is also a fact.

These new laws are nothing but politically motivated by Republicans to suppress the Democrats turnout. I mean, come on, use common sense. These are coming in multiple states all in an election year where the Republicans are desperate to get into the White House. If you believe otherwise, you are in denial.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:43 am

Monker wrote:Nobody mentioned minorities in these posts. In fact, the ONLY arguments I have seen regarding the recent surge in Republican interest in reigning in the non-existent voter fraud problem is that it makes it harder for the poor to vote, which affects Democrats almost exclusively...just as Rick said.

You ARE saying that all poor people are minorities. THAT is racist. Fact...not a 'card'.


Listen, moron. Did I ever say I saw that someone in this thread posted that argument here? Nope. Pay attention for once! THIS is what I actually said...

I wasn't responding just to Rick's post here but the arguments, in general, that voter ID laws are "racist" AND "anti-poor".[/b]


I said that I've seen that argument used elsewhere before. Just do a search using the terms "voter ID racist" and you'll come up with links like the article below that say that it's used to suppress the minority vote.

http://sojo.net/magazine/2012/04/are-vo ... aws-racist

It might not be pure coincidence that the groups most affected by voter ID laws and similar restrictions tend to vote Democrat and the backers of such laws are mostly Republicans. For people of faith, though, this is not a partisan issue, but rather a simple matter of fairness and justice. Who gets included in our democratic processes says everything about who we are as a people, and plays an important role in determining the direction of our public policies.

The right to vote shouldn’t be taken for granted, and expansion of that right to include people at the margins of society has never come without a struggle. It took nearly a century for this country to enshrine African Americans’ right to vote in the Constitution, and another century to back that up with laws such as the Voting Rights Act. Now is not the time to start stripping away those rights to counter an imaginary threat.


Put your race card back in your pocket where it belongs. I'm not making it up. But I suppose it's racist of me to even respond to that argument, huh? :lol:

Another fact, you said that there is no excuse for somebody to not have a photo ID. Where I live, there are only two places in the county to get a photo ID. A poor person does not have easy transportation to get to the DOT stations to get the ID...THAT is also a fact.


You're telling me someone of voting age who wants to exercise their important right to vote, in the years or months leading up to the vote that they knew was going to take place, could not find a ride or somehow manage to get something done to get some kind of valid ID to vote? Really?

These new laws are nothing but politically motivated by Republicans to suppress the Democrats turnout. I mean, come on, use common sense. These are coming in multiple states all in an election year where the Republicans are desperate to get into the White House. If you believe otherwise, you are in denial


Give me a break. Most of these states have had something in the works for several years. Voter ID laws have been ALREADY on the books in Indiana since like 2006. YOU are the one in denial.
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Postby Memorex » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:24 am

Nobody has put the two words "poor" and "minority" together more than Democrats and I've always felt they should try and change that. I think it does damage.

I think it comes off like this. GOP doesn't care what you are, you're on your own except they are more charitable with their own money. Dems want everyone to think that minorities are inherently poor and need help. But they want that to be institutionalized help rather than private. I think we are best served somewhere in the middle.
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Postby Memorex » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:28 am

The government belongs to us. Most people believe they belong to God.

Republicans believe people belong to God, except themselves. They belong to big oil. Ha ha ha ha.
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Postby Monker » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:29 am

Funny, you post stuff like this but what I read is the polls have it around dead even...Coming out of their convention, that is bad news for Republicans. They are getting virtually no 'bounce' at all. In fact, what I just read said all of the negativity towards Obama is a bit of a turn off towards Republicans...which is a bit of a surprise to me. So, keep up the negativity and hatred...it may just backfire.

Fact Finder wrote:Dems Drop 'God' From Party Platform...

Pro-Israel Language Removed...

Endorse taxpayer-funded abortions...

DNC Video: 'The Government Is The Only Thing We All Belong To'...

ABCNEWSWASHPOST POLL: Obama personal popularity fading...

Women Turning...

Romney favorability tops for first time...

DEBT TOPS $16T...

Debt Now $136,249 Per Household...

UPDATE: Obama gives himself an 'incomplete' grade...

POLL: Just 40% say he deserves second term...
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Postby Behshad » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:13 am

" If Mitt Romney was Santa Clause, he'd fire the reindeers and outsource the elves ". :lol: Tedd Strickland
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Postby scarygirl » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:18 am

Behshad wrote:" If Mitt Romney was Santa Clause, he'd fire the reindeers and outsource the elves ". :lol: Tedd Strickland


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Postby Monker » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:07 pm

Behshad wrote:" If Mitt Romney was Santa Clause, he'd fire the reindeers and outsource the elves ". :lol: Tedd Strickland


And, make Rudolph ride on the roof of the sleigh.
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Postby slucero » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:35 pm

Monker wrote:
Behshad wrote:" If Mitt Romney was Santa Clause, he'd fire the reindeers and outsource the elves ". :lol: Tedd Strickland


And, make Rudolph ride on the roof of the sleigh.



If Obama was Santa Claus he'd look at the presents in the workshop and tell the elves, "you didn't build those", he'd tell Santa that his naughty or nice list was discriminatory, and he'd move the North Pole to Chicago and force the reindeer and elves to form a union.

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Postby Monker » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:50 pm

slucero wrote:
Monker wrote:
Behshad wrote:" If Mitt Romney was Santa Clause, he'd fire the reindeers and outsource the elves ". :lol: Tedd Strickland


And, make Rudolph ride on the roof of the sleigh.



If Obama was Santa Claus he'd look at the presents in the workshop and tell the elves, "you didn't build those", he'd tell Santa that his naughty or nice list was discriminatory, and he'd move the North Pole to Chicago and force the reindeer and elves to form a union.


So, if Obama was Santa Clause, he would tell Santa...

You've been talking to too many empty chairs.
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Postby Memorex » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:13 pm

I'm traveling and did not get to see tonight's convention and i can't watch tomorrow either. How was it?
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Monker wrote:
slucero wrote:
Monker wrote:
Behshad wrote:" If Mitt Romney was Santa Clause, he'd fire the reindeers and outsource the elves ". :lol: Tedd Strickland


And, make Rudolph ride on the roof of the sleigh.



If Obama was Santa Claus he'd look at the presents in the workshop and tell the elves, "you didn't build those", he'd tell Santa that his naughty or nice list was discriminatory, and he'd move the North Pole to Chicago and force the reindeer and elves to form a union.


So, if Obama was Santa Clause, he would tell Santa...

You've been talking to too many empty chairs.



And you've been smoking too much pole...

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Postby Monker » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:19 am

They should absolutely boo. The Democratic party are basicaly being pussies and bending to critique over something nobody should be focused on...and giving it attention it doesn't deserve.

Fact Finder wrote:Hoo boy....this will be all over the news very soon..


FreeBeacon Watch: Democrats Boo Inclusion of God, Jerusalem bit.ly/Tjw4wV4 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


FreeBeacon BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: GOD WINS freebeacon.com #DNC20128 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


FreeBeacon God Wins bit.ly/TjujQg12 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


jonward11 wow RT @ByronTau: Talk about bad optics. RT @Timodc: Widespread boos for Jerusalem and God in the convention hall 16 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
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Postby Monker » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:25 am

Fact Finder wrote:Here we go again....


Dick Harpootlian, an outspoken leader of the South Carolina Democratic Party, made waves when he invoked the Nazis to describe Republican Gov. Nikki Haley’s appearance yesterday at a RNC press conference.

“She was down in the bunker a la Eva Braun,” Harpootlian told South Carolina delegates at the Democratic National Convention.

It was the third time Democrats have compared Republicans to Hitler’s murderous regime since the convention opened on Monday. Leading delegates from California and Kansas each likened Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan to top Nazis Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebbels.



You guys need a new act. :roll:


For as many times as Republicans have equated Obama to Hitler, I find it incredibly hypocritical for ANY Republican to complain when Democrats do simular things. They are both wrong and it is sad that you do not critique ALL sides for doing it.
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Postby Memorex » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:26 am

Monker wrote:They should absolutely boo. The Democratic party are basicaly being pussies and bending to critique over something nobody should be focused on...and giving it attention it doesn't deserve.

Fact Finder wrote:Hoo boy....this will be all over the news very soon..


FreeBeacon Watch: Democrats Boo Inclusion of God, Jerusalem bit.ly/Tjw4wV4 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


FreeBeacon BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: GOD WINS freebeacon.com #DNC20128 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


FreeBeacon God Wins bit.ly/TjujQg12 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


jonward11 wow RT @ByronTau: Talk about bad optics. RT @Timodc: Widespread boos for Jerusalem and God in the convention hall 16 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


You are advocating God be boo'd? Even if you don't believe in God, shouldn't people's right to have faith be respected?
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Postby Rick » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:35 am

Memorex wrote:
Monker wrote:They should absolutely boo. The Democratic party are basicaly being pussies and bending to critique over something nobody should be focused on...and giving it attention it doesn't deserve.

Fact Finder wrote:Hoo boy....this will be all over the news very soon..


FreeBeacon Watch: Democrats Boo Inclusion of God, Jerusalem bit.ly/Tjw4wV4 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


FreeBeacon BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: GOD WINS freebeacon.com #DNC20128 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


FreeBeacon God Wins bit.ly/TjujQg12 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


jonward11 wow RT @ByronTau: Talk about bad optics. RT @Timodc: Widespread boos for Jerusalem and God in the convention hall 16 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


You are advocating God be boo'd? Even if you don't believe in God, shouldn't people's right to have faith be respected?


What I find kind of amusing is that FF doesn't give the Dem's credit for putting those items back in, but elects to bash the people that booed it. And if the reputation of the media holds true, it was probably just a few that booed, but we all know how they like to create drama for ratings sake. I can't imagine anyone booing that, and I'm not even religious.
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Postby Memorex » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:41 am

Agreed
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:12 am

Rick wrote:What I find kind of amusing is that FF doesn't give the Dem's credit for putting those items back in, but elects to bash the people that booed it. And if the reputation of the media holds true, it was probably just a few that booed, but we all know how they like to create drama for ratings sake. I can't imagine anyone booing that, and I'm not even religious.


I was ready to cut them some slack until I saw the video. Those folks booed because they knew it was not a 2/3 majority voting for it, yet they rammed it through anyway despite the wishes of their own delegates. The guy onstage heading the vote was obviously flustered. Pitiful.

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Postby conversationpc » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:26 am

Fact Finder wrote:It took 3 votes, and the "no's" won and they passed it anyway.


I think it sounded like the yea's had a slight advantage but it was certainly nowhere near the 2/3 majority the motion needed to be carried.
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Postby Rick » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:38 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Rick wrote:
Memorex wrote:
Monker wrote:They should absolutely boo. The Democratic party are basicaly being pussies and bending to critique over something nobody should be focused on...and giving it attention it doesn't deserve.

Fact Finder wrote:Hoo boy....this will be all over the news very soon..


FreeBeacon Watch: Democrats Boo Inclusion of God, Jerusalem bit.ly/Tjw4wV4 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


FreeBeacon BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: GOD WINS freebeacon.com #DNC20128 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


FreeBeacon God Wins bit.ly/TjujQg12 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


jonward11 wow RT @ByronTau: Talk about bad optics. RT @Timodc: Widespread boos for Jerusalem and God in the convention hall 16 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


You are advocating God be boo'd? Even if you don't believe in God, shouldn't people's right to have faith be respected?


What I find kind of amusing is that FF doesn't give the Dem's credit for putting those items back in, but elects to bash the people that booed it. And if the reputation of the media holds true, it was probably just a few that booed, but we all know how they like to create drama for ratings sake. I can't imagine anyone booing that, and I'm not even religious.



Rick, I just reported the news. Yesterday when I posted 7 or 8 headlines without any commentary from me, Monker said I had negativity and hatred. I posted the news headlines for crying out loud. I don't make this shit up.

2 of yesterdays headlines were about the Dems taking Jerusalam and God out of their Party platform. FLIP!

Today, after much wailing and gnashing of teeth they begrudgingly put them back in. FLOP!

The video has been all over the news tonight and I suggest you watch it and see what really happened. You decide.

It took 3 votes, and the "no's" won and they passed it anyway. This is so embarrassing to the Dem Party that you can't believe.

They Boo'd God. :shock:

Love it or hate it, that's what happened.


They Booed God? Who? Some fringe group in one corner?

The flip flop argument doesn't even deserve to be made, FF. Shall I spend my time finding things the Republicans has flip flopped on during an election?

Not sure why it matters to you anyway, you can't even spell Jerusalem, for God's sake. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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