President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Behshad]

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[The Sushi Hunter]

Welcome back Behshad. Now I know where you've been all this time, busy making senseless captions on photoshop that have absolutely nothing to do with the ball that was just dropped in your court last Friday (the release of official tax and charity documents spanning over a nearly 20 year timeframe).

Of course a baby doesn't pay taxes, it's not earning any money. If it did for whatever reason like if it's picture is featured on a babyfood label or something similar, the parents would be compensated using their SSN and have to pay taxes.

[The Sushi Hunter]

If noBOzo 2012 wins this election, we're all getting one of these stickers.

[Behshad]

Welcome back Behshad. Now I know where you've been all this time, busy making senseless captions on photoshop that have absolutely nothing to do with the ball that was just dropped in your court (the release of tax and charity documents spanning over a nearly 20 year timeframe).

Of course a baby doesn't pay taxes, it's not earning any money. If it did for whatever reason like if it's picture is featured on a babyfood label, the parents would be compensated and have to pay taxes, using their ssn.

Was busy spending time with family on a long weekend off
Nothing dropped in my court. He did what he had to do and still paying less tax (percentage) than average middle class
His release of taxes this late in the game, is sign of desparation, nothing less, nothing more.
BTW, I have never used photohop in my life. Those pics are circulating everywhere

[The Sushi Hunter]

Was busy spending time with family on a long weekend off
Nothing dropped in my court. He did what he had to do and still paying less tax (percentage) than average middle class
His release of taxes this late in the game, is sign of desparation, nothing less, nothing more. BTW, I have never used photohop in my life. Those pics are circulating everywhere

Me too. Actually I spent way more over the weekend on the family things than I would have liked to. But that's another story.

So in regards to the tax documents, is that the best you can do?

[Behshad]

Was busy spending time with family on a long weekend off
Nothing dropped in my court. He did what he had to do and still paying less tax (percentage) than average middle class
His release of taxes this late in the game, is sign of desparation, nothing less, nothing more. BTW, I have never used photohop in my life. Those pics are circulating everywhere

Me too. Actually I spent way more over the weekend on the family things than I would have liked to. But that's another story.

So in regards to the tax documents, is that the best you can do?

You want me to cheer that he paid taxes like any other citizen although he used loopholes ? (such as registering his yacht outside US to avoid taxes, Swiss banks accounts)

[Memorex]

He filed taxes like every other American. I'd consider him an idiot if he didn't make all the right INTELLIGENT moves to protect the money he has earned. Exactly like Obama has done and every sane individuals.

Taxes are a non issue unless you simply don't pay them or lie. Who cares how much he paid, so long as he played within the rules.

Now, if you want to say that generally the rich should pay more, fine, change the laws. But you can't single out one individual for doing what every other person does. This administration, and I'm sure all administrations, have true tax cheats and fraudsters. Those are the folks that show poor character and should be nowhere near a government job.

Is there anyone here that would not take advantage of any tax law that benefited them? Please, raise your hand so I can be your accountant.

We need to argue about real things, not this crap.

[Monker]

Is there anyone here that would not take advantage of any tax law that benefited them? Please, raise your hand so I can be your accountant.

We need to argue about real things, not this crap.

And, anyone who does take advantage of the tax code and ends up paying no income tax due to standard deductions and such is dependent on government and Mitt is not running for President to represent your vote - he has already written you off.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Was busy spending time with family on a long weekend off
Nothing dropped in my court. He did what he had to do and still paying less tax (percentage) than average middle class
His release of taxes this late in the game, is sign of desparation, nothing less, nothing more. BTW, I have never used photohop in my life. Those pics are circulating everywhere

Me too. Actually I spent way more over the weekend on the family things than I would have liked to. But that's another story.

So in regards to the tax documents, is that the best you can do?

You want me to cheer that he paid taxes like any other citizen although he used loopholes ? (such as registering his yacht outside US to avoid taxes, Swiss banks accounts)

Your major beef with him up until now besides him being a Republican was that he didn't pay taxes or not enough. As of last Friday we now have documented proof that he did in fact pay taxes and at the reasonable percentage rate. But now your beef is the timing that they were released and premise as to why the docs were released now? What's next?

[The Sushi Hunter]

The Yacht rumor was hatched a week or two back after someone posted a picture of a boat with another countries flag on it and labeled Romney as the yacht's owner. Pretty weak bullshit if you ask me. That's why when someone on another forum I was reading posted pix of BOzo wearing a Muslim outfit, I called that bullshit too.

[steveo777]

The dems and the Obama camp have no other way to run the campaign other than with smear tactics and digging for dirt. If they can come up with no better material than accusing Romney of not paying his fair share of taxes or owning a yacht with a foreign flag on it, not only will they lose the election, but the antics of the followers speaks volumes about their downright loonacy.

[Behshad]

Was busy spending time with family on a long weekend off
Nothing dropped in my court. He did what he had to do and still paying less tax (percentage) than average middle class
His release of taxes this late in the game, is sign of desparation, nothing less, nothing more. BTW, I have never used photohop in my life. Those pics are circulating everywhere

Me too. Actually I spent way more over the weekend on the family things than I would have liked to. But that's another story.

So in regards to the tax documents, is that the best you can do?

You want me to cheer that he paid taxes like any other citizen although he used loopholes ? (such as registering his yacht outside US to avoid taxes, Swiss banks accounts)

Your major beef with him up until now besides him being a Republican was that he didn't pay taxes or not enough. As of last Friday we now have documented proof that he did in fact pay taxes and at the reasonable percentage rate. But now your beef is the timing that they were released and premise as to why the docs were released now? What's next?

You got it all wrong buddy. I dont have a BEEF with Romney. I just dont want him to be my next President . and it is NOT because he is a republican. Its because of how he runs companies and how he runs business.
Lets look at it this way. You see him as a successful business man right? As a successful business man, the only people that benefit the most from his company are himself of course and those who fill in the exectuive chairs and higher upper management. While the lower level ( who works the hardest), gets the minimum , gets taxed more (no loopholes or writeoffs) and they end up taking home the least amount of money.
Romney would turn US into the same business. So more money to government and those who are upper level, while middle class gets screwed over.
You and FF may be highroller and benefit from his tax breaks, but knowing that I wont, I will not vote for him.
Capice ?

[Memorex]

Is there anyone here that would not take advantage of any tax law that benefited them? Please, raise your hand so I can be your accountant.

We need to argue about real things, not this crap.

And, anyone who does take advantage of the tax code and ends up paying no income tax due to standard deductions and such is dependent on government and Mitt is not running for President to represent your vote - he has already written you off.

Again - lot's of things to fight about, but at least let's be honest about it. Any normal-thinking individual can look at Romney's tape and see that he was not saying he would not represent those 47%. He was simply stating a fact of campaigning and explaining how he would gear his operation to win. He was saying that 47% of the population are going to vote for Democrats because they either like the fact that many do not pay taxes, or they want the handouts themselves. Romney is never going to turn those 47%, so he is targeting his campaign towards the undecideds. Exactly like Obama. Do you think Obama is spending one dime trying to get the evangelical or Pro-Life vote? No, but he represents all of them.

You guys really have to start looking past what the media tells you to think and start looking at reality here. It's very sad. People need to start using some logic. The media has all of you in their trance man.

[Memorex]

You got it all wrong buddy. I dont have a BEEF with Romney. I just dont want him to be my next President . and it is NOT because he is a republican. Its because of how he runs companies and how he runs business.
Lets look at it this way. You see him as a successful business man right? As a successful business man, the only people that benefit the most from his company are himself of course and those who fill in the exectuive chairs and higher upper management. While the lower level ( who works the hardest), gets the minimum , gets taxed more (no loopholes or writeoffs) and they end up taking home the least amount of money.
Romney would turn US into the same business. So more money to government and those who are upper level, while middle class gets screwed over.
You and FF may be highroller and benefit from his tax breaks, but knowing that I wont, I will not vote for him.
Capice ?

I kind of agree with you here Beshad, but why do you want to benefit from tax breaks? You just made Romney's argument. You are not going to receive more from Romney so you will vote for the guy that gives you more.

I agree that Romney will favor the wealthy. Not sure why I feel that way - he has said he will close many of the loopholes. And the poor will benefit, I think, from Romney in that I assume gas prices will dive and home heating and electric will become cheaper. People don't understand that those things are basically a nasty tax on the poor more than anyone. Also, if Romney can create jobs, then obviously that's good for all. Not sure he can though.

As far as all the people he hurt - again - you have to look at the overall affect of his work. A lot more people are working today because of Bain than are not. And maybe some companies survived and even thrived. I know my company could use some Bain capital right about now.

[Behshad]

You got it all wrong buddy. I dont have a BEEF with Romney. I just dont want him to be my next President . and it is NOT because he is a republican. Its because of how he runs companies and how he runs business.
Lets look at it this way. You see him as a successful business man right? As a successful business man, the only people that benefit the most from his company are himself of course and those who fill in the exectuive chairs and higher upper management. While the lower level ( who works the hardest), gets the minimum , gets taxed more (no loopholes or writeoffs) and they end up taking home the least amount of money.
Romney would turn US into the same business. So more money to government and those who are upper level, while middle class gets screwed over.
You and FF may be highroller and benefit from his tax breaks, but knowing that I wont, I will not vote for him.
Capice ?

I kind of agree with you here Beshad, but why do you want to benefit from tax breaks? You just made Romney's argument. You are not going to receive more from Romney so you will vote for the guy that gives you more.

I agree that Romney will favor the wealthy. Not sure why I feel that way - he has said he will close many of the loopholes. And the poor will benefit, I think, from Romney in that I assume gas prices will dive and home heating and electric will become cheaper. People don't understand that those things are basically a nasty tax on the poor more than anyone. Also, if Romney can create jobs, then obviously that's good for all. Not sure he can though.

As far as all the people he hurt - again - you have to look at the overall affect of his work. A lot more people are working today because of Bain than are not. And maybe some companies survived and even thrived. I know my company could use some Bain capital right about now.

I dont want any tax breaks. I just dont want to pay MORE in taxes to make up for tax breaks for the wealthy
I am happy with my current tax rate and wouldnt want to pay less or more.

And the part I highlighted in your post is the typical politician promise to lower this and that and not really follow through. Theyve all done it and they will continue to do so.

As far as Bain goes , he laid of many long time workers there that had started at $23/hr and offered them their job back @ $8/hr and no benefits. Thats just one example of how ruthless he can be and how he doesnt understand that cutbacks that benefit the company on paper arent always as good when you see how it affects people's lives ( Kinda like Griswald's Christmas bonus )

[hoagiepete]

Welcome back Behshad. Now I know where you've been all this time, busy making senseless captions on photoshop that have absolutely nothing to do with the ball that was just dropped in your court (the release of tax and charity documents spanning over a nearly 20 year timeframe).

Of course a baby doesn't pay taxes, it's not earning any money. If it did for whatever reason like if it's picture is featured on a babyfood label, the parents would be compensated and have to pay taxes, using their ssn.

Was busy spending time with family on a long weekend off
Nothing dropped in my court. He did what he had to do and still paying less tax (percentage) than average middle class
His release of taxes this late in the game, is sign of desparation, nothing less, nothing more.
BTW, I have never used photohop in my life. Those pics are circulating everywhere

Slides probably came from Letterman's staff. Take one sentence of a video, potentially (likely) out of context and run for miles with it. The Letterman way.

Politics suck. What you and others (both sides and even me on occasion) do trying to tear down the opponent brings human nature to the lowest possible level. Snakes can crawl over people in "the game" and never touch them they're so low. No wonder there is no one actually qualified to run our country willing to subject themselves to this shit. I guess we are all to blame, but it sucks ass that only slimey politicians will do it and they are the ones running this place.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Yeah but Behshad, that's how every business is run. Look at the military, same thing. The little guy who doesn't make much is the one doing the grunt work. But it takes talented decision makers to run the operation effectively and efficiently from the top.

Also mentioned previously was how Romney worked for a company that went through a layoff at one point. Not sure exactly if he was there or not when they did the layoff, but for sake of argument lets say he was there when the layoffs occured. Tell me a business that has been successful for a long period of time that has never had to go through a layoff in it's history? Apple, IBM, HP, etc. etc. All have gone through layoffs at one time or the other.

Was busy spending time with family on a long weekend off
Nothing dropped in my court. He did what he had to do and still paying less tax (percentage) than average middle class
His release of taxes this late in the game, is sign of desparation, nothing less, nothing more. BTW, I have never used photohop in my life. Those pics are circulating everywhere

Me too. Actually I spent way more over the weekend on the family things than I would have liked to. But that's another story.

So in regards to the tax documents, is that the best you can do?

You want me to cheer that he paid taxes like any other citizen although he used loopholes ? (such as registering his yacht outside US to avoid taxes, Swiss banks accounts)

Your major beef with him up until now besides him being a Republican was that he didn't pay taxes or not enough. As of last Friday we now have documented proof that he did in fact pay taxes and at the reasonable percentage rate. But now your beef is the timing that they were released and premise as to why the docs were released now? What's next?

You got it all wrong buddy. I dont have a BEEF with Romney. I just dont want him to be my next President . and it is NOT because he is a republican. Its because of how he runs companies and how he runs business.
Lets look at it this way. You see him as a successful business man right? As a successful business man, the only people that benefit the most from his company are himself of course and those who fill in the exectuive chairs and higher upper management. While the lower level ( who works the hardest), gets the minimum , gets taxed more (no loopholes or writeoffs) and they end up taking home the least amount of money.
Romney would turn US into the same business. So more money to government and those who are upper level, while middle class gets screwed over.
You and FF may be highroller and benefit from his tax breaks, but knowing that I wont, I will not vote for him.
Capice ?

[Behshad]

Yeah but Behshad, that's how every business is run. Look at the military, same thing. The little guy who doesn't make much is the one doing the grunt work. But it takes talented decision makers to run the operation effectively and efficiently from the top.

Also mentioned previously was how Romney worked for a company that went through a layoff at one point. Not sure exactly if he was there or not when they did the layoff, but for sake of argument lets say he was there when the layoffs occured. Tell me a business that has been successful for a long period of time that has never had to go through a layoff in it's history? Apple, IBM, HP, etc. etc. All have gone through layoffs at one time or the other.

Thats how every business runs , maybe, but our country isnt a business . Dont you understand that with a business man in office, you dont neccesarily get whats best for PEOPLE ?? What happened to you complaining about not wanting BIGGER GOVERNMENT? Well guess what buddy, if you want this country to be ran like a business you better realize that the upper management is your government and you have no benefits whatsoever from the big government Romney is trying to create. You bitch and complain when Obama wants healthcare for everybody, supervised by the government, but you are OK with getting screwed over and pay more taxed just so the wealthy can get a tax break !?



And as far as his company , it wasnt layoffs. He offered them their jobs back the next day only at a much lower starting rate and no benefits.

[Behshad]

You got it all wrong buddy. I dont have a BEEF with Romney. I just dont want him to be my next President . and it is NOT because he is a republican. Its because of how he runs companies and how he runs business.
Lets look at it this way. You see him as a successful business man right? As a successful business man, the only people that benefit the most from his company are himself of course and those who fill in the exectuive chairs and higher upper management. While the lower level ( who works the hardest), gets the minimum , gets taxed more (no loopholes or writeoffs) and they end up taking home the least amount of money.
Romney would turn US into the same business. So more money to government and those who are upper level, while middle class gets screwed over.
You and FF may be highroller and benefit from his tax breaks, but knowing that I wont, I will not vote for him.
Capice ?

I kind of agree with you here Beshad, but why do you want to benefit from tax breaks? You just made Romney's argument. You are not going to receive more from Romney so you will vote for the guy that gives you more.

I agree that Romney will favor the wealthy. Not sure why I feel that way - he has said he will close many of the loopholes. And the poor will benefit, I think, from Romney in that I assume gas prices will dive and home heating and electric will become cheaper. People don't understand that those things are basically a nasty tax on the poor more than anyone. Also, if Romney can create jobs, then obviously that's good for all. Not sure he can though.

As far as all the people he hurt - again - you have to look at the overall affect of his work. A lot more people are working today because of Bain than are not. And maybe some companies survived and even thrived. I know my company could use some Bain capital right about now.

I dont want any tax breaks. I just dont want to pay MORE in taxes to make up for tax breaks for the wealthy
I am happy with my current tax rate and wouldnt want to pay less or more.

And the part I highlighted in your post is the typical politician promise to lower this and that and not really follow through. Theyve all done it and they will continue to do so.

As far as Bain goes , he laid of many long time workers there that had started at $23/hr and offered them their job back @ $8/hr and no benefits. Thats just one example of how ruthless he can be and how he doesnt understand that cutbacks that benefit the company on paper arent always as good when you see how it affects people's lives ( Kinda like Griswald's Christmas bonus )

Name this Company and provide unbiased links please. Hint: I think I know what you are trying to pull over on us here and it wont work. Specifics B.

Im not trying to pull anything here. Listen the fact is we both know who you will be voting for and who I will be voting for and none of these discussions will change our views. But since you askes, here is one link though , there's more out there, but as a master of C&P you should be able to find it,however I know you will only search for things that are in your favor. Of course all your links are from unbiased sources


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl ... h-20120831

.......He was exactly the guy that eliminated that classic $22.50 manufacturing job, like in the case of GST Steel, where Bain took over with an initial investment of $8 million, paid itself a $36 million dividend, ended up walking away with $50 million, and left GST saddled with over $500 million in debt. 750 of those well-paying jobs were lost.

[Behshad]

There are at least 12 reasons why Mitt Romney would not make a good president. Here's John F. Ince's list. What's yours?
1 • Romney neither understands nor represents most Americans. The man lacks empathy for those who have not had all the benefits he has had in life. His presidency would be deeply polarizing. One can easily image his election as president would generate new waves of social unrest and violence. He clearly represents the 1% and the 99% will not tolerate policies that exacerbate the growing divisions between rich and poor.
2 • Romney's job creation claims are inflated and unrealistic. Mitt Romney's professional career was based on a very specific task: buying and selling companies for profit. He wants people to think that this qualifies him to be a job creator. With the exception of his investment in Staples and a few other early venture capital deals, his jobs creation claims are mostly chimera. He takes credit for creating jobs, when he was only an investor in those companies, not an executive. In practice, he predominantly used his power as an investor to eliminate jobs and shift other jobs overseas, all in the interest of making profits.
3 • Romney does not have a sound fiscal plan. Extrapolating from the projections Romney has offered for increased defense spending and tax cuts, his policies would blow a hole in the Federal budget, further eroding investors faith in the government's ability to get its fiscal house in order.
4 • Romney has little respect for the natural environment, nor a commitment to protect and preserve it for future generations.
5 • Romney has lived a cloistered and privileged life and today has a very narrow view of the world.
6 • Romney's worldview is rooted in intolerance.
7 • Romney does not fully understand the transformative power of technological change.
8 • Romney is temperamentally unfit for the presidency.
9 • Romney lacks direct foreign policy experience.
10 • Romney lacks integrity and honesty.
11 • Romney has no commitment to women or equal rights. There is little in his public statements or record to suggest he feels any responsibility for advancing the interests of women and minorities.
12 • Romney lacks sufficient charisma and personality to be a strong leader.
Note: The author, John F. Ince of this article is a former classmate of Mitt Romney at Harvard Business School and former reporter at Fortune Magazine. He is the author of Mitt Romney: King of Bain and the Man Who Wants To Be President.

[Monker]

Here's the deal, Romney didn't release his 2011 taxes earlier because he filed (actually Price Waterhouse Cooper did) for extension on April 15th. The six month extension is up on Oct 15th, and Romney has said months ago that he would release his returns in October. Apparently PWC finished his taxes last week so he released them on Friday. Between Taxes and Charity Mitt gave 44% of his income away, 14.1% to Uncle Sham and 30% to Charity.

There is also a difference between income taxes and payroll taxes (FICA). If you want to play this bullshit game, then you need to consider that in your comparison between Mitt and the average person. In fact, I bet the average person pays over 20% in federal taxes on their income.

Mitt is a poster child for why Capital Gains tax should be eliminated and that income treated the same as interest income on a savings account. There is really no difference between the two.

[The Sushi Hunter]

The company Romney worked for is only an issue now because Obama doesn't have any equal previous experience running a business himself. If Obama did have experience running a company, they would focus on how successful he ran the company, but since they can't because he never did, this is the only thing they can come up with.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I don't mind it being run like a business, just as long as it's a successful one. Is running America like a business really bad for America? Maybe that's what it will take to get this country back on the ball.

So exactly what complexities in regards to running a successful business would be bad for running a country?

Yeah but Behshad, that's how every business is run. Look at the military, same thing. The little guy who doesn't make much is the one doing the grunt work. But it takes talented decision makers to run the operation effectively and efficiently from the top.

Also mentioned previously was how Romney worked for a company that went through a layoff at one point. Not sure exactly if he was there or not when they did the layoff, but for sake of argument lets say he was there when the layoffs occured. Tell me a business that has been successful for a long period of time that has never had to go through a layoff in it's history? Apple, IBM, HP, etc. etc. All have gone through layoffs at one time or the other.

Thats how every business runs , maybe, but our country isnt a business . Dont you understand that with a business man in office, you dont neccesarily get whats best for PEOPLE ?? What happened to you complaining about not wanting BIGGER GOVERNMENT? Well guess what buddy, if you want this country to be ran like a business you better realize that the upper management is your government and you have no benefits whatsoever from the big government Romney is trying to create. You bitch and complain when Obama wants healthcare for everybody, supervised by the government, but you are OK with getting screwed over and pay more taxed just so the wealthy can get a tax break !?



And as far as his company , it wasnt layoffs. He offered them their jobs back the next day only at a much lower starting rate and no benefits.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Biden gave to charity?

That's gotta hurt. You know you've hit rock bottom when a street bum hands you some "change".

[No Surprize]

OBAMA 2012 baby! Yeah motherfuckers he'll beat that plastic mormon into submission. It takes more than 4 years to pull ourselves out of the shit stain the

republican left us in.

[The Sushi Hunter]

OBAMA 2012 baby! Yeah motherfuckers he'll beat that plastic mormon into submission. It takes more than 4 years to pull ourselves out of the shit stain the

republican left us in.

If that's true, how was Reagan able to do it?

Yeah it's really easy just to blame the last guy instead of rolling up the sleeves and really getting busy. But what's to expect of someone who's never successfully run something.

That's all it's been with noBOzo 2012. He went from "yes we can" to "why we can't". That's the "all talk and no action" manuever at it's best.