President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Monker]

Romney's debate strategy:

[The Sushi Hunter]

2002 MLK Day Speech...

"The philosophy of nonviolence only makes sense if the powerful can be made to recognize themselves in the powerless. It only makes sense if the powerless can be made to recognize themselves in the powerful. You know, the principle of empathy gives broader meaning, by the way, to Dr. King’s philosophy of nonviolence. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but rich people are all for nonviolence. Why wouldn’t they be? They’ve got what they want. They want to make sure people don’t take their stuff. But the principle of empathy recognizes that there are more subtle forms of violence to which we are answerable. The spirit of empathy condemns not only the use of firehoses and attack dogs to keep people down but also accountants and tax loopholes to keep people down."_____ B. H. Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuzwIsNr ... ata_player

Wow, we're getting to know Barry better by the hour.

6 more hours till your boy starts sweating

Man that video from 2007 totally gave Romney a boost.

Over confident are we?

Not over . Just confident.
I'm sure you and FF are very confident that Romney will make Obama sweat.

The idea has actually never really crossed my mind yet.

Sounds about right.

I'm more thinking about what ideas will be brought to the table for discussion.

[Behshad]

I think Romney will narrow the gap somewhat tomorrow. It's pretty typical that the "outsider" gets a bump after the first debate.

They're both smart guys. Mitt will need to hold his tongue, and Obama will need to do whatever he can to distract attention away from that "spending issue".

Media has become even more fragmented since 2008. I think the debates, alot like the conventions, are becoming increasingly irrelevant. There is nothing Romney can possibly say to turn this around. If he brings up Libya, he gets flack for exploiting a tragedy, which will only lead to Obama touting his track record on defeating terrorism ("During my administration we cornered and killed Osama Bin Laden and top al-Qaeda operatives etc etc.") If he suggests tax reform and Obama presses him for details, he will really be revealed as the naked would-be emperor that he truly is. Obama had a great line during his convention: "Have a surplus? Take a tax cut. Deficit too high? Try another. Feel a cold coming on? Take two cuts, roll back some regulations and call me in the morning." As long as he continues this glib line of attack, Romney will be feckless. Yes, things have definitely not improved significantly under Obama, and Romney would be wise to hammer that point ALOT. But he has no counter-point. Nobody believes that more voodoo economics is the answer. Bush tax cuts are still currently in place which were supposed to create jobs and help fuel private sector growth. Forget about giving Romney's policies a chance, his policies are already in-tact and are being tested. The tax-cutting social experiment has failed. Don't tell me about Reagan - different time period, different issue (stagflation), and different interest rates. Personally, I think this election was thrown when Clint Eastwood came out and rambled senilely to a chair. To independents and undecided, it displayed a lack of judgement, lack of respect for the office, and that overall, the Romney campaign can't run a two car parade. It was red meat for the Limbaugh/AM radio fans fans tho, which is pretty much the GOP's only reliable constituency.

Bookmarking that point for later.

Thank you kind sir !

[slucero]

Actually you do get to vote on this... its just that a vote for Obama or Romney equals "more of the same"....

People (voters) in this country are so stupidly myopic that they'll lemming-like vote for a Dem or a Rep... even though both candidates have more in common than they do differences...


This is what America has become... a country were we don't vote for the "best"... just the "least worst"...

True, could say that this was always true....consider what Ralph Waldo Emerson said in 1845....:

The objection to conforming to usages that have become dead to you is, that it scatters your force. It loses your time and blurs the impression of your character. If you maintain a dead church, contribute to a dead Bible-society, vote with a great party either for the government or against it, spread your table like base housekeepers, under all these screens I have difficulty to detect the precise man you are.

yup...


IMHO - This illustrates what ails our country pretty accurately..

It's Not America Anymore

Many of us in the liberty movement find ourselves searching for a distinct root cause of the trials and tribulations of American culture — the Holy Grail catalyst that, if unraveled, would save this country and heal the septic wounds covering the landscape of our hobbled society. The obvious answer would be to remove the global elites who are poisoning the well from the picture entirely. Yes, this has to be done eventually. However, we must also identify how those elites have been able to so thoroughly con the masses of this nation for so long.

What inherent weakness has made us susceptible to manipulation? For this question, there are NO easy answers. But, if I had to choose a single frailty of our collective psyche as paramount to our downfall, I would say that Americans most of all are confounded by their own patriotism. We often embrace the ideal without knowing what it really means.

There are in fact two kinds of patriotism: the concrete, and the imagined. Many Americans fall haphazardly into the fantasy of being patriotic. They define patriotism upon the exploits of the mainstream and of the government in control at the time. They become cheerleaders for the establishment instead of stalwart champions of their country’s founding principles. In fact, true patriotism is NOT about blindly defending one’s nation or leadership regardless of its trespasses; true patriotism is about defending the philosophy that made one’s nation possible and prosperous in the first place — even if that means standing against the power structure in place today.

I often hear the uneducated and unaware claim that America and its principles have been a bane to the rest of the world. They say America is at the center of the vampire squid, flailing its vicious tentacles against innocent foreign civilizations. This is an oversimplification at best. The crimes that these well-meaning but naïve activists scorn cannot be attributed to “America” because the American ideal has been completely abandoned by those in the seat of power in our modern era. We do not live in “America” — at least, not the America that the Founding Fathers and authors of the Constitution created. Therefore, the original philosophy that gave birth to America is not the issue, the abuse and neglect of that philosophy is.

America has been ransacked and deformed into a hideous lampoon of its former self. This has been done for the most part through the destruction of the guiding principles we pretend we still hold onto as a culture, but in reality have cast aside. If we are ever to undo the damage that has already been done, we have to rediscover what the original design of America was. Wailing and growling about the inadequacies of the present does nothing unless we also establish where it is that we have fallen from grace. What is America supposed to be? What did the Founders truly intend?

America Is Supposed To Be Controlled By The People

The concept of a Republic revolves around a reversal of the traditional narrative of power. Throughout most of history, government stood at the top of the pyramid, where the hands of a few dominated the destinies of the citizenry. The future was a matter for the elites, not the peasants, to be concerned with. The American Republic, as designed by the revolutionary colonists who defeated the old oligarchy (at least for a time), flipped the role of government to servant rather than master. The goal was to make government tangible and accountable rather than abstract and untouchable. The America of today has no such accountability anymore.

We have a two-party system that pursues the mechanizations of globalism in tandem, not in contest. When both parties have the same desires and goals, when both parties collude to remove civil liberties rather than protect them, and when both parties are funded by the same corporate backers, there is no such thing as change through the process of elections. Anyone who claims that government corruption can be punished through the ballot box hasn’t the slightest clue how our system really functions. They think we are still living in the original “America,” one that values the voice of the people.

When the government decides to push through banker bailouts, the Patriot Act, the National Defense Authorization Act, etc., all while ignoring opposition by a vast majority of citizens, it is clear that the paradigm has shifted and the American value of representation by and for the people is lost.

America Is Supposed To Prosper Through Free Markets

One of the first acts of the American Revolution in the fight against British tyranny was to decouple from British economic dominance. They stopped relying on goods produced in England and peddled by the European merchant class and began making their own. From homespun clothing to homemade rifles, Americans created a legitimate free-market environment. Free markets are systems controlled by the people, thriving on the natural functions of supply and demand. They are not administered by bureaucracies or corporate hierarchies that manipulate the economy to fit preconceived political and social ends.

Free markets are decentralized markets. Corporations, which obstruct decentralization, were never meant to exist according to Adam Smith, the architect of traditional free markets. Today’s framework operates on centralization and the removal of options and choices, which is facilitated by the imbalance and lack of accountability in the corporate legal structure.

I have to laugh every time I hear someone attack “capitalism” and free markets as the source of all our ills. America has not had the pleasure of free markets for at least 100 years (since the construction of the private Federal Reserve, a collusion between banking and government interests). No one alive today has ever seen an actual American “free market” beyond community barter, so to blame free markets for our modern failings is rather thoughtless. To summarize, the U.S. economy is nothing like what the founders envisioned and fought for.

America Is Supposed To Have A Reserved Foreign Policy

The Founding Fathers specifically sought to keep America out of foreign entanglements and haphazard alliances. They knew from experience that the elites and monarchies of Europe often used wars as a means of consolidating power and keeping populations in relative fear. They were well aware of the methodologies of Niccolo Machiavelli and knew that forced alliances were a trap used to ensnare nations into unnecessary conflict and financial dependency while keeping the masses subservient through false patriotism.

Today, our government has utterly violated the original principles of reserved foreign policy, especially in the past century. The excuse always used is that “we are under attack,” yet we usually discover later that these “attacks” were actually fabricated by our own leaders. From the sinking of the USS Maine, to the sinking of the Lusitania, to the Gulf of Tonkin and beyond, for the past 100 years, Americans have been presented with false flag threats used as leverage to convince us to become entangled in foreign engagements. This strategy has become so common that elitists now openly admit their intentions to commit future false flags in order to draw us into yet another war, this time with Iran.

The current policy of “exporting democracy” has not only been a complete failure (just look at Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.), it is also a total affront to the foundation of the American dynamic. Patriotism in the name of interventionism is foolhardy and decidedly un-American.

America Is Supposed To Respect Individual Rights

The Founders witnessed the extreme abuses of government firsthand: invasion of privacy, invasion of property, wrongful arrest and imprisonment, loss of representation, overt and malicious taxation, thuggish law enforcement, and the targeting of those who dared to dissent in their speech. The excuse used by the British for their tyrannical behavior was, essentially, national security. In the end, though, the elites’ actions had nothing to do with security for the populous and everything to do with what they saw as opposition to their hegemony. Our government has become a mirror image of the elitist power-mongers of Britain in the days of the revolution. Absolutely everything the colonists fought against has been re-established by the globalists in our political structure today, once again, all in the name of national security.

We have seen the enslavement of our money supply and general economy by the Federal Reserve; invasive and violent taxation through the Internal Revenue Service; loss of privacy through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance and the Patriot acts; loss of property rights through multiple agencies including the Bureau of Land Management, the Environmental Protection Agency, the IRS, the Food and Drug Administration, etc. (who claim their tightening fist is for our own safety, yet they constantly overlook corporate misdeeds that put the public in true danger while pummeling average citizens for minor or non-existent offenses); the militarization of law enforcement through the Department of Homeland Security and Federally dominated fusion centers; potential loss of Habeas Corpus through the NDAA; and even wrongful arrest against those who merely speak openly of their discontent (look into the case of Marine veteran Brandon Raub for a taste of what lay ahead).

What Have We Become?

Those who rally behind the modern concept of America rally behind a facade — an empty shell devoid of the heart and soul that gave life to this once great experiment. I do not support what America is. I support what America was and what it could be again if the truth is adequately smashed into the faces of the currently oblivious public. If this country is content to suckle from the putrid teat of globalism and forsake the moral force of conscience that gave it life, then it has become another place — an alien land.

I have heard the argument that America is meant to be a kind of chameleon built to change its stripes and adapt to the demands of the era. I have heard it argued that the Constitution and the principles of the Founding Fathers are outdated and inadequate for our new age of technological wizardry and terrorist ideologies. This is pure intellectual idiocy. The principles of freedom never expire. Individual liberty is inherent and eternal. It is the driving force of every great accomplishment in the history of mankind. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights embody the spirit of that eternal battle of individual liberty. There is no adaptation. There is only freedom or tyranny.

It is time for us to decide what kind of Americans we wish to be: the deluded rah-rah puppets of a desiccated totalitarian society, or the watchmen on the wall. Will we be the keepers and protectors of the vital core of the American identity, or will we be fly-by-night consumers of the flavor-of-the-day political carnival, eating every tainted sample from the elitist platter in an insane attempt to replace our free heritage with a sleek, sexy, rehashed form of top-down feudalism?

[The Sushi Hunter]

Who wrote that?

[slucero]

Who wrote that?

I can provide you the source if you want it... http://www.alt-market.com/articles/1073 ... ca-anymore


I think the message is more important than who said it.

[Memorex]

Somebody has a little too much time on their hands:

http://static.infowars.com/2012/10/i/general/obamamurderslarge.jpg

[The Sushi Hunter]

Somebody has a little too much time on their hands:

http://static.infowars.com/2012/10/i/general/obamamurderslarge.jpg

Wonder how many on that list were originally on the same Bill Clinton list. It's all bs.

Here's something kind of clever though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnY8r7_fLw

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Somebody has a little too much time on their hands:

http://static.infowars.com/2012/10/i/general/obamamurderslarge.jpg

most conspiracy theories cooked up by anyone whether left right or otherwise, are baseless horseshit.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Somebody has a little too much time on their hands:

http://static.infowars.com/2012/10/i/general/obamamurderslarge.jpg

most conspiracy theories cooked up by anyone whether left right or otherwise, are baseless horseshit.

Not horse shit (pig shit)....methane.

[steveo777]

501!

[tater1977]

Is obama allowed to have his teleprompter tonite?

[The Sushi Hunter]

Is obama allowed to have his teleprompter tonite?

Not sure but I bet he'll have an earpiece in where someone or a think-tank style group is watching the debate feeds him words to say. One thing for sure, such a think-tank would NOT include Biden.

[tater1977]

Is obama allowed to have his teleprompter tonite?

Not sure but I bet he'll have an earpiece in where someone or a think-tank style group is watching the debate feeds him words to say. One thing for sure, such a think-tank would NOT include Biden.

LOL thanks...Switching thru channels & all I keep hearing is Obama is "tired of prepping" or "bored with prepping" for this debate...Just wondered ...

[tater1977]

Damn I don't have that much alcohol in the house....better make a run...

[tater1977]

Obama and Romney to face real lie detector test during debate

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/03/obama ... z28HNjxKUH

The results will be interesting...Too bad they can't hook up both to electrodes & if they lie.they
get zapped right on the spot...on public TV....

[steveo777]

For the record, just opened my first cold one. I don't need no stinking debate to drink.

Yup, it's gonna be a long night.

[tater1977]

For the record, just opened my first cold one. I don't need no stinking debate to drink.

Yup, it's gonna be a long night.

They should offer up a case of beer for both candidates & let them follow the above
plan ... Might be more entertaining....

[tater1977]

When Mitt's daddy was Gov of Michigan way back when...I can remember Dad loving him but Mom hated him ... One was Rep & the other was Dem....can you guess who was what?

[Behshad]

Indeed !

[scarygirl]

ASS KICKING IN PROGRESS!

I don't know, he might lose the Big Bird vote!!

[Rick]

ASS KICKING IN PROGRESS!

This is a great debate. I didn't know what to expect from Romney, but he's definitely got chops. I honestly thought Obama would eat his lunch, but Romney is definitely holding his own. I'm impressed.

[Behshad]

ASS KICKING IN PROGRESS!

This is a great debate. I didn't know what to expect from Romney, but he's definitely got chops. I honestly thought Obama would eat his lunch, but Romney is definitely holding his own. I'm impressed.

By going against anything he's been campaigning for almost 2 years

[YoungJRNY]

Of course, Mitt Romney is in a good position. Lets point out everything about the ailing economy and tell you what I'm going to do that makes it better than the President, who took over deficits from the last Republican Party to begin with.

"Governor Romney, for 18 months has proposed this plan. All of a sudden, 5 weeks before the election....nevermind."

Debate over.

[slucero]

I thought Obama and Romney were debating...

[YoungJRNY]

God, it's all the same bullshit. Politics are impossible and virtually pointless.

[Behshad]

I thought Obama and Romney were debating...

[YoungJRNY]

Impossible. That's what politics are. Not sure why the President didn't shit down Romney's windpipe. The dude lied about fucking EVERYTHING he's planning on doing. Fuckin lied from top to bottom and the President just stood there like "Tha fuck?"

[Seven Wishes2]

What a predictable vomit-fest. Lies, exaggerations, mistruths, half-truths, partisan bullshit from both of 'em.

Where's Zombie Reagan when you need him?

I won't be watching one of these again. God, our political system sucks.

[slucero]

What a predictable vomit-fest. Lies, exaggerations, mistruths, half-truths, partisan bullshit from both of 'em.

Where's Zombie Reagan when you need him?

I won't be watching one of these again. God, our political system sucks.

unbelievable... there's consensus here!