President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Behshad]

55% Still Think Obama Is The Likely Winner in November

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... n_november

That's BS. How can this be true, when 90% think that Romney is gonna win in November?

[Memorex]

it is funny that you keep saying he lied and yet I have asked several times for you to tell me what the lies were and you don't answer. all you came up with is two different sounding quotes on middle class taxes that do not even contradict and certainly doesn't constitute a lie. in fact the one area that Obama keeps hammering about - the 5 trillion cost of tax reductions - has been debunked by the guy who wrote the study that Obama keeps touting.

people connected with Romney because they know the economy is shrinking again, or growing much slower than before and Romney sounded - and looked - much more commanding on the economic issues. Now if the debate was on social issues I suspect it would be a complete 180 for both. Romney sounded pretty executive in his foreign policy speech yesterday, so that debate will be interesting.

anyway, please stop just saying he lied and point out where he actually lied. they both stretched the numbers.

sorry about the lower case. just got this kindle and didn't catch that it doesn't capitalize the first letter of the sentence automatically.

[Memorex]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ap-fact-check-here-are-the-most-notable-facts-mistruths-from-romneys-foreign-policy-speech/

So I did some checking and found this. Almost all of these are perception and wording. Certainly not lies. I know there are similar things on the Obama side but since no one is trying to mis-categorize those as lies, I guess it's not a big issue.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I didn't vote for Obama in 08' but when he won the election I moved forward and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would do at least "some" of the things that he claimed he'd do if he won the election, primarily turn the economy around for the better. Obama's presidency turned into one big operation "let me blame the republicans".

[Behshad]

I didn't vote for Obama in 08' but when he won the election I moved forward and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would do at least "some" of the things that he claimed he'd do if he won the election, primarily turn the economy around for the better. Obama's presidency turned into one big operation "let me blame the republicans".

Luckily you dont have to put up with that much longer




































since you're moving to Japan!

[Memorex]

I have two big issues with this administration. Number one - there is nothing worse than a person out of work. So though there was plenty of blame to go around for how we got to January 2009, Obama raised his hand to fix the issue. When he started by focusing on the health care issue, I was immediately upset. I thought, there is no way we can recover unless it's a jobs, jobs, jobs mantra. And of course it became clear that he went the wrong path. If this administration counted unemployment the same as the previous, we'd be at over 11% unemployment 4 years in.

Second, at some point he decided to stop leading. I truly came to believe that golf is more important to him than finding people jobs. And that's pretty sad to say. I don't want to feel that way. But he has literally done nothing - absolutely nothing - in the past 18 months as president. The occasional executive order, maybe. But what has he done? Somewhere along the way, he just threw in the towel. He says he cares about teachers and firemen and policemen (and women) and yet he doesn't lead on any of it. It's ok to stand up and say you care, but then you have to act. He says he can't do anything about gas prices to help the poor and that's a huge lie. Any president has the capacity to drop the price if they get serious in their talk. Remember how fast the prices dropped under Bush once he finally got up there and said he'd start drilling more? It was a freefall at the pump. He waited too long too.

Why isn't Obama meeting with leaders every single day trying to put people back to work? Trying to get the money that's sitting on the sidelines back in the economy?

So next term he will focus on nuclear arms reduction, immigration reform, etc. All fine things to work on - but only after the unemployment number is at 4.4% (the real number - not the fake one they keep using). I know if these don't turn around soon, I am going to lose my job. I'd guess that I only have 6 to 12 months left and it's a terrifying proposition. And yet I know that if the money came back to the market, I'd have more work than I could handle. So it's really frustrating to me to watch the president do absolutely nothing on this. I want someone to lead.

The 4 year term doesn't work for me anymore. It's a shitty way to run a country when half the country hates whoever is in there. Because technically they get two and half years to do some shit, then they have to go campaign and if they lose, they last 3 months are worthless. And in that first two and a half years they have to spend time focusing on the off-year elections.

How about this - one 6 or 8 year term and the president is banned from campaigning. The Vice President can get out there near the end of that term to get him/herself elected, but the president has to focus on the damn job we put him in there for. We are not getting our money's worth from either side anymore. How much more could Obama get accomplished if he went to work every day and didn't give a shit about being re-elected? It was the same with Bush during his 4th year. Remember all the stories about how he was never in the white house? Though the record shows Obama is even worse and no one says a word. And because of the way the country is moving, Romney would surely be worse until finally, the inauguration speech would be a stump speech for the next election.

[Memorex]

AARP and now Big Bird? You'd think someone in the campaign would be smart enough to pick up the phone and get some permission.

Sesame Workshop is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization and we do not endorse candidates or participate in political campaigns. We have approved no campaign ads, and as is our general practice, have requested that the ad be taken down

Why does PBS need federal funds? Did you know that Big Bird and his buddies on Sesame Street are worth more than Mitt Romney? How much are they worth? A whopping $400,000,000.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I didn't vote for Obama in 08' but when he won the election I moved forward and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would do at least "some" of the things that he claimed he'd do if he won the election, primarily turn the economy around for the better. Obama's presidency turned into one big operation "let me blame the republicans".

Luckily you dont have to put up with that much longer

since you're moving to Japan!

I was actually in Japan during the last election and voted by mail. I missed all the debates at that time. I'm looking forward to this week's VP debate. I'm curious to see how Romney's choice for VP compares to Biden. Anyone else looking forward to watching this debate?

[Rick]

[RedWingFan]

You weren't happy with the amount of money he flushed for "shovel ready jobs" with his stimulus bill Rick?

[conversationpc]

That bill was an attempt at a second $447 billion stimulus bill, disguised as a "jobs" bill. The Republicans did the right thing in blocking it. It has to stop somewhere. Obama has already racked up $5 trillion dollars in debt in not even four years, more than Bush accumulated in eight years in office.

[conversationpc]

I didn't vote for Obama in 08' but when he won the election I moved forward and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would do at least "some" of the things that he claimed he'd do if he won the election, primarily turn the economy around for the better. Obama's presidency turned into one big operation "let me blame the republicans".

Luckily you dont have to put up with that much longer

since you're moving to Japan!

I was actually in Japan during the last election and voted by mail. I missed all the debates at that time. I'm looking forward to this week's VP debate. I'm curious to see how Romney's choice for VP compares to Biden. Anyone else looking forward to watching this debate?

I want to see Biden get upset and drop an F-bomb or two.

[The Sushi Hunter]

"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama"

And how about all those "green" jobs that he pumped hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars into which most went tits up soon after receiving the Obama helping hand? Many of those companies were Obama campaign donors to boot. Obama's way of passing the buck, getting their campaign contributions and then repaying them back many times more with tax payer's money.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

I didn't vote for Obama in 08' but when he won the election I moved forward and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would do at least "some" of the things that he claimed he'd do if he won the election, primarily turn the economy around for the better. Obama's presidency turned into one big operation "let me blame the republicans".

Luckily you dont have to put up with that much longer

since you're moving to Japan!

I was actually in Japan during the last election and voted by mail. I missed all the debates at that time. I'm looking forward to this week's VP debate. I'm curious to see how Romney's choice for VP compares to Biden. Anyone else looking forward to watching this debate?

I want to see Biden get upset and drop an F-bomb or two.

or tell a crippled man to stand up!

[The Sushi Hunter]

Hey Behshad, want to talk about flip flopping? Check out what the Obama administration is now saying about the 9-11 attack in Libya and compare that to what they were saying about it up until then.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I didn't vote for Obama in 08' but when he won the election I moved forward and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would do at least "some" of the things that he claimed he'd do if he won the election, primarily turn the economy around for the better. Obama's presidency turned into one big operation "let me blame the republicans".

Luckily you dont have to put up with that much longer

since you're moving to Japan!

I was actually in Japan during the last election and voted by mail. I missed all the debates at that time. I'm looking forward to this week's VP debate. I'm curious to see how Romney's choice for VP compares to Biden. Anyone else looking forward to watching this debate?

I want to see Biden get upset and drop an F-bomb or two.

I predict that Biden will try and stay on one topic. When the moderator tries to get him onto another topic, I think Biden will eventually gravitate back to the previous topic that he wants to stay on. The topic I think Biden is going to try and stay on is the Medicare issue, since that's been a hot topic.

[StevePerryHair]

Who did what here to make the print SO tiny on my phone? It's just this thread. I can't read it anymore.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Looks like Obama's in "tight" with some really rich people also. Passing the tax payer's bucks around I see.

A Mexican telecom mogul who holds the title of world's richest man, and one of President Obama's top donors are both getting even richer from the U.S. government program that supplies so-called "Obamaphones" to the poor.

Carlos Slim, who has an estimated net worth of $70 billion, owns a controlling stake in TracFone, which makes $10 per phone for each device it provides to poor Americans. The company, whose president and CEO is Frederick “F.J.” Pollak, also makes money from extra minutes and data plans it sells to subscribers who get phones and service through the government's Lifeline program. The program, which began in the mid-1980s, has exploded in the past four years after being expanded from supplying landlines to the poor to providing cellular phones.


“I’m not against a company making a profit. If they are making money off lifeline, the blame goes to the federal government for creating the program."
- Rep. Tim Griffin (R-AR)


The phones came into the national spotlight after a viral video surfaced on YouTube in which a Cleveland, Ohio, woman praised the president, saying he needed to be re-elected because he gives out free phones.

“Everybody in Cleveland, every minority, got an Obama phone. Keep Obama as president. He gave us a phone. He gonna do more,” the woman said in the video.

Slim’s Movil America owns TracFone and recently snapped up service provider Simple Mobile for $100 million. TracFones and Simple Mobile service are huge players in the Lifeline program through the company's “SafeLink Wireless” brand. TracFone had 3.8 million subscribers through the federal program as of late 2011.

Pollak has donated at least $156,500 to Democratic candidates and committees this cycle, including at least $50,000 to the Obama campaign. His wife, Abigail, is a campaign bundler for Obama and has raised more than $632,000 for the president this cycle, and more than $1.5 million since 2007. She has personally contributed more than $200,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008.

The Pollaks hosted Obama at their Miami Beach home in June for a $40,000-per-plate fundraising dinner, and hosted a similar event with Michelle Obama in July 2008. The couple personally donated a combined $66,200 to Obama’s re-election effort that year.

U.S. Rep. Tim Griffin, (R-Ark.), who has been one of the biggest critics of the Lifeline program's explosive growth, said he can't blame Slim for doing lucrative business with the federal government.

“I’m not against a company making a profit," Griffin said. "If they are making money off the program, the blame goes to the federal government for creating the program."

Griffin recently introduced a bill on Capitol Hill to end the Lifeline program, which cost $1.6 billion in 2011, up from $772 million in 2008. While not technically a tax, the program is funded by mandatory fees tacked on to consumers' phone bills, then disbursed through the Federal Communications Commission and states.

“This program is rife with waste and abuse," Griffin said. "It’s set up in a way where people can receive multiple phones for free.”

Griffin said he has seen cases in which single individuals obtained dozens of the phones, and said under the lax requirements, more than 80 million Americans are eligible.

According to the FCC, “Lifeline is a government benefit program supported by the Universal Service Fund that provides a discount on phone service for qualifying low-income consumers. Lifeline helps ensure that eligible consumers have the opportunities and security that phone service brings, including being able to connect to jobs, family, and emergency services.”

The FCC announced in July that new reforms saved $43 million in savings by eliminating duplicate subscriptions and outdated subsidies and claims that the agency is on track to recover $200 million for the year.

But Griffin said it's time to end a subsidy that gives the poor a luxury item and makes the world's wealthiest man richer.

“I simply do not think that the taxpayers should be footing the bill for someone’s cell service and social interaction,” Griffin said. "If that’s the case, what should the government pay for and not pay for? Let’s just start paying for everyone’s gas.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/10/sl ... s-to-poor/

[The Sushi Hunter]

Again.....it's not over until the fat lady..........sings?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkgeotLnPy4

[The Sushi Hunter]

I'd like to believe those numbers but I'm still not convinced as of yet. The next few weeks are going to be crucial.

Our neighborhood dirtbag is sporting his brand new Obama 2012 ballcap as of yesterday I noticed. Hilarious. Constantly in verbal and physical altercations with his live-in girlfriend nightly, breaks his front door once a month during the more escalated fights with his girlfriend, deals herb out of his house, doesn't have a job nor does his live-in girlfriend unless her going out alone dressed like a slut at night is for some type of business opportunity, sleeps all day and stays up all night, installs friends and acquaintances car stereos in his driveway all night. Loosing original teeth by the month due to mysterious black rot....meth use suspected. Typical low life. No surprise on the choice of ballcap. Glad it's not a Romney one he's sporting, that's one voter we don't need.

[conversationpc]

I didn't vote for Obama in 08' but when he won the election I moved forward and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would do at least "some" of the things that he claimed he'd do if he won the election, primarily turn the economy around for the better. Obama's presidency turned into one big operation "let me blame the republicans".

Luckily you dont have to put up with that much longer

since you're moving to Japan!

I was actually in Japan during the last election and voted by mail. I missed all the debates at that time. I'm looking forward to this week's VP debate. I'm curious to see how Romney's choice for VP compares to Biden. Anyone else looking forward to watching this debate?

I want to see Biden get upset and drop an F-bomb or two.

or tell a crippled man to stand up!

"Stand up for Chuck!"

[RPM]

It's amazing to me that some of you guys will defend and then vote for 4 more years of this shit.

Enrollment in Food Stamps, Medicaid, and Disability Far Outpaces Job Growth in Last 4 Years...

What are you thinking?

It really is amazing. almost scary. Not in love with Mitt but come on people 4 more years of this
is disaster!

[geminix]

I'd vote for Ronnie Ferocious

[The Sushi Hunter]

It's amazing to me that some of you guys will defend and then vote for 4 more years of this shit.

Enrollment in Food Stamps, Medicaid, and Disability Far Outpaces Job Growth in Last 4 Years...

What are you thinking?

The thing about this to consider is that 1) The people who benefit from getting food stamps and other government assistance vote for Obama. And 2) There are numbers of Americans who have enough of their own money, job security and property where they don't care how much tax dollars are going to the sponges.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's amazing to me that some of you guys will defend and then vote for 4 more years of this shit.

Enrollment in Food Stamps, Medicaid, and Disability Far Outpaces Job Growth in Last 4 Years...

What are you thinking?

It really is amazing. almost scary. Not in love with Mitt but come on people 4 more years of this
is disaster!

Not scary. Ever hear of the biggest recession in history? At least FDR had the benefit of a domestic manufacturing base and weak international competition. Vote for Mitt and let him enact his revenue-bleeding "tax reform", and start a ground war with Iran, and you will see this country dissolved by 2014. Of course, as the cities burn, FF will be in overdrive posting articles on here pointing the finger at Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, and Jimmy Carter. What a clueless joker. If only there was a way to quarantine republicans from the rest of thinking America. Maybe it's time those FEMA camps unlocked the gate and put up a neon 'open for business' sign? When Bush came to office, Democrats comprised and enabled him to get his tax cuts through. With Obama, the GOP has stymied this administration at every turn to the point of downgrading our credit, thwarting economic demand, and even objecting to their own conservative proposals. What a bunch of sorry partisan assholes.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Abound Solar. Chalk up another solar company that received hundreds of millions in government tax dollars from Obama during the last few years and then went tits up. With all this tax payer money that Obama has been giving to "green" energy companies that then go out of business, he could have instead invested those funds into education. Imagine how many students and educational institutions could have benefited instead.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Abound Solar. Chalk up another solar company that received hundreds of millions in government tax dollars from Obama during the last few years and then went tits up. With all this tax payer money that Obama has been giving to "green" energy companies that then go out of business, he could have instead invested those funds into education. Imagine how many students and educational institutions could have benefited instead.

And if he did that, you'd be on here bitching that it is a sweetheart deal to greedy, fat, teachers unions. Shut the fuck up. Your concern for America's children and the generations of tomorrow is bullshit.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Abound Solar. Chalk up another solar company that received hundreds of millions in government tax dollars from Obama during the last few years and then went tits up. With all this tax payer money that Obama has been giving to "green" energy companies that then go out of business, he could have instead invested those funds into education. Imagine how many students and educational institutions could have benefited instead.

And if he did that, you'd be on here bitching that it is a sweetheart deal to greedy, fat, teachers unions. Shut the fuck up. Your concern for America's children and the generations of tomorrow is bullshit.

I'm all for educating kids. When they are educated they get jobs and become self sufficient.

Unlike what we have been seeing with these people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBcAIPKLAx4

[Behshad]

[The_Noble_Cause]

Abound Solar. Chalk up another solar company that received hundreds of millions in government tax dollars from Obama during the last few years and then went tits up. With all this tax payer money that Obama has been giving to "green" energy companies that then go out of business, he could have instead invested those funds into education. Imagine how many students and educational institutions could have benefited instead.

And if he did that, you'd be on here bitching that it is a sweetheart deal to greedy, fat, teachers unions. Shut the fuck up. Your concern for America's children and the generations of tomorrow is bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBcAIPKLAx4

Yea, too bad the plan to give free phones to low income people started under your boy, George Dubya (compassionate conservatism in action yet again!)
I'm sure Romney will overturn it on his first day in office. Obamacare too!

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/