President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Memorex]

Now that U.S. intelligence is reporting that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons against it's own people, do you think B.O. is going to do anything meaningful about it as he said the U.S. response would be? Something tell me no, since there still saying they need more proof which is what they have been saying since this situation first surfaced.

Only if he decides those human lives are worthwhile. We'll see. Some people get the short end of the stick from us.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Now that U.S. intelligence is reporting that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons against it's own people, do you think B.O. is going to do anything meaningful about it as he said the U.S. response would be? Something tell me no, since there still saying they need more proof which is what they have been saying since this situation first surfaced.

Only if he decides those human lives are worthwhile. We'll see. Some people get the short end of the stick from us.

Hard working American born citizens who pay their taxes get the short end of the stick every day in this country.

[Memorex]

Now that U.S. intelligence is reporting that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons against it's own people, do you think B.O. is going to do anything meaningful about it as he said the U.S. response would be? Something tell me no, since there still saying they need more proof which is what they have been saying since this situation first surfaced.

Only if he decides those human lives are worthwhile. We'll see. Some people get the short end of the stick from us.

Hard working American born citizens who pay their taxes get the short end of the stick every day in this country.

That said, if our government starts gassing us, I would hope someone would come to the rescue. We tend to not mind leaving millions to die because we don't like the cost of war. Seems if you have the means, you ought not let things like that happen.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Who do you suppose that would be? If the US Government started gassing the people in America, the rest of the world would wait around until it's over and then try and take over whatever was left. Other than that, I doubt anyone would come helping Americans. They'd come to take over the land/resources and kill or capture those who remained alive.

[Don]

The problem is, you can't just simply bomb chemical weapons away. Mustard gas is especially tough as it can survive heat and with the blast combined with natural wind can end up all over the place even miles away. You could end up contaminating the people you are trying to protect.
Unlike Sarin which suffocates you with symptoms coming on quickly, Mustard gas can be undetected on you for up to 24 hours, giving you the chance to spread it unknowingly. When it does take effect, it can can cause damage associated with third degree burns; massive blisters, scarring, other nasty things comparable to third degree burns.
Iraq used mustard gas on Iran during the 80s but as everyone hated Iran at that time, western governments closed their eyes to it for the most part.
Syria's probably got the same stock, shipped out of Iraq to evade the UN inspectors.

[The Sushi Hunter]

My I may add that a lot of all this blister agent damage you mentinoed is done to the inside of the lungs when breathed in.

As I said, everybody knows if you want the American Government to get involved, just say someone's getting gassed by their own Government and it's a done deal. Just now reading that BO is saying gassing would be a game changer. I knew it.

[Boomchild]

My I may add that a lot of all this blister agent damage you mentinoed is done to the inside of the lungs when breathed in.

As I said, everybody knows if you want the American Government to get involved, just say someone's getting gassed by their own Government and it's a done deal. Just now reading that BO is saying gassing would be a game changer. I knew it.

To me it does not look like he is in any hurry to take action. Apparently, he is now waiting for more "proof" and for the U.N. to weigh in on the matter.

[slucero]

That said, if our government starts gassing us, I would hope someone would come to the rescue. We tend to not mind leaving millions to die because we don't like the cost of war. Seems if you have the means, you ought not let things like that happen.

The likelihood of the U.S. government gassing its own citizens is about the same as it cutting entitlements....

[Boomchild]

According to the B.O. administration amnesty is now a civil right.

Quote from Eric Holder:

“creating a mechanism for [illegal aliens] to earn citizenship and move out of the shadows… is a matter of civil and human rights.”

So let me get this straight, you have a right to demand legal citizenship in the U.S. after you have broken it's immigration laws. Man what stretch this is when speaking about civil rights. What he should have said is the government has the right to arrest you, imprison you or deport you. With the B.O. administration spewing crap like this we all can expect that if an amnesty bill passes, the illegals will keep flooding this country because they have no intention of properly securing the border. If they were, they would do that before even addressing the issue of those that already entered this country illegally. It's the same deal as what occurred with the Regan administration. Then, part of the bill included 700 miles of fencing along the border. Only 38 miles was actually built and then the project was halted. Due to lack of funds.


http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/holder-amnes ... vil-right/

[Boomchild]

That said, if our government starts gassing us, I would hope someone would come to the rescue. We tend to not mind leaving millions to die because we don't like the cost of war. Seems if you have the means, you ought not let things like that happen.

The likelihood of the U.S. government gassing its own citizens is about the same as it cutting entitlements....

They'll just round you up and put you in a FEMA camp.

[Memorex]

No wonder the stress level of Americans are up to record levels, except in the White House, apparently.

http://g-a-i.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GAI-Presidential-Calendar-Report.pdf

And of course this:

For the first time since the 9/11 terrorist hijackings, Americans are more fearful their government will abuse constitutional liberties than fail to keep its citizens safe.

[The Sushi Hunter]

No wonder the stress level of Americans are up to record levels, except in the White House, apparently.

http://g-a-i.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GAI-Presidential-Calendar-Report.pdf

And of course this:

For the first time since the 9/11 terrorist hijackings, Americans are more fearful their government will abuse constitutional liberties than fail to keep its citizens safe.

A lot of this has to do with not trusting the U.S. Government and belief that the U.S. Government wouldn't protect them. Compare the relationship between U.S. Government and the civilian population pre-60's to the U.S. Government and civilian population now. The U.S. Government has sold out it's civilians time and time again. Raising taxes, opening borders, reverse descrimination, the list goes on and on. Is it any wonder why"American's" are stressed? The government who runs the country in which they were born in sells them out each and every day.....just for the vote.

Little over 20 years ago, I only started paying attention to politics in America. I couldn't help but laugh my ass off when six months after an election, there would be a group of people pissed off because the person they voted for didn't do what they said they would do to get their vote. LOL!

[Boomchild]

Little over 20 years ago, I only started paying attention to politics in America. I couldn't help but laugh my ass off when six months after an election, there would be a group of people pissed off because the person they voted for didn't do what they said they would do to get their vote. LOL!

Evidently now people will vote for a person who says they are going to do this and do that but end up doing virtually none of those things and four years later those same people vote the same person again.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Little over 20 years ago, I only started paying attention to politics in America. I couldn't help but laugh my ass off when six months after an election, there would be a group of people pissed off because the person they voted for didn't do what they said they would do to get their vote. LOL!

Evidently now people will vote for a person who says they are going to do this and do that but end up doing virtually none of those things and four years later those same people vote the same person again.

Yeah, but this group your taking about is happy because they and their "guy" blamed the previous president for all the problems going into office and they and their "guy" continued to do the same during the next election. So basically they've been pretty consistent with what they do and that makes them happy regardless of what does or doesn't actually get accomplished.

[steveo777]

It's Obama's watch, but yet the country will continue to be ruined. So much for immigration reform. It looks like it's about to get much worse. This country needs new leadership. All these guys are doing is using each other as tools, for profit or power, maybe both. BO is smack in the middle of it, the figure head.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db0_1367 ... ce=message

[Boomchild]

Yeah, but this group your taking about is happy because they and their "guy" blamed the previous president for all the problems going into office and they and their "guy" continued to do the same during the next election. So basically they've been pretty consistent with what they do and that makes them happy regardless of what does or doesn't actually get accomplished.

It goes deeper and beyond just B.O., this has been happening for a long time with Senators and Congressmen as well.

[Boomchild]

It's Obama's watch, but yet the country will continue to be ruined. So much for immigration reform. It looks like it's about to get much worse. This country needs new leadership. All these guys are doing is using each other as tools, for profit or power, maybe both. BO is smack in the middle of it, the figure head.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db0_1367 ... ce=message

The gang of eight are some of the biggest traitors to our country. Another interesting development is the union for ICE agents are suing the Federal Government for being blocked by the government from doing their job.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/2013 ... or-policy/

[Boomchild]

I heard a radio talk show host refer to our federal legislators as a one party government playing Two Card Monte. Which I think is a good way of putting it.

[slucero]

Posting this exerpt from a column I've recently read.. inserted the quoted case law for reference)

A lot of Americans believe that the American “Founders” created a system that automatically fixes itself. They talk about the “balance of powers,” and think that it will always save them from a tyrant. The balanced powers of the US Constitution, however, were trashed within fifteen years and doubly-trashed just a century ago.

In the Constitution, the states balanced the power of the national government (the one now in Washington, DC.) Not only did the states control half of the legislature, but they decided if and how they would implement the edicts of the national government. And that included deciding whether a law was constitutional or not.

This changed in 1803 with the Marbury v. Madison ruling. This ruling – taught as a work of genius in American schools – was a fraud against the US Constitution. In it, the Supreme Court held that they understood the Constitution better than James Madison, the man who wrote it!

Here is the case summary, from: http://www.lawnix.com/cases/marbury-madison.html

Summary of Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137, 1 Cranch 137, 2 L. Ed. 60 (1803).
Facts

On his last day in office, President John Adams named forty-two justices of the peace and sixteen new circuit court justices for the District of Columbia under the Organic Act. The Organic Act was an attempt by the Federalists to take control of the federal judiciary before Thomas Jefferson took office.

The commissions were signed by President Adams and sealed by acting Secretary of State John Marshall (who later became Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and author of this opinion), but they were not delivered before the expiration of Adams’s term as president. Thomas Jefferson refused to honor the commissions, claiming that they were invalid because they had not been delivered by the end of Adams’s term.

William Marbury (P) was an intended recipient of an appointment as justice of the peace. Marbury applied directly to the Supreme Court of the United States for a writ of mandamus to compel Jefferson’s Secretary of State, James Madison (D), to deliver the commissions. The Judiciary Act of 1789 had granted the Supreme Court original jurisdiction to issue writs of mandamus “…to any courts appointed, or persons holding office, under the authority of the United States.”

But worse than even this, they held – with absolutely no basis – that it was they who would decide what was constitutional or not. The states were tossed aside. Even the sitting President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson, called it “a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.”

Marbury’s Judicial review (the Supremes ruling on constitutionality) merely involves one branch of the national government providing a check on the other branches of the national government. After Marbury, no one could check the national government.

Washington DC was unleashed with Marbury v. Madison. What made it almighty was the 17th Amendment of 1913, which took the powers of the states and transferred them to Washington, by mandating the popular election of senators.

With senators being elected directly by the populace, the states were cut-out of the equation. In their place, political parties gained massive power, and nearly all power was consolidated in the city of Washington.

And so it is today. Washington is an unfettered beast. The system will NOT fix itself; the mechanisms to do that were lost a long time ago.

Clearly when reading the above.. especially the Marbury v. Madison case summary... it is obvious that federalism (big government) was favored by some of our political leaders from the very beginning... so it should be no surprise that 240 years later we are still seeing the results of that continued battle reflected in lost liberty.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Things are starting to get a little interesting as I was listening to the news this morning. Things are heating up fast.

[Boomchild]

The real sad fact is B.O. is becoming more of joke as a "leader". It seems he didn't give the Benghazi the attention it needed when notified of the attack, like a President should. Then when a NBA player comes out of the closet, he wastes no time in calling him to offer support and tell him how brave it was to do so. Seems to have time for stuff like that but not for people putting their lives in danger for our country. Then at a press conference he denies any knowledge of of Benghazi whistle blowers being told to clam up by his administration. Come on really? Then we have him dragging his feet on the reports of chemical weapons used in Syria after he said that this would be a "red line" or "game changer". I in no way would advocate for the U.S. to get involved militarily. He should be pressuring the U.N. to step up and if action is needed, let the U.N. take action without the use of U.S. military.

[Boomchild]

Things seem to be heating up again on the controversy over the attack on the Benghazi Embassy. The more I hear the more it just wants to make me puke. It's showing what a piece of shit Obama and Hillary Clinton are. It sickens me even more knowing no matter what comes out of these latest hearings it won't affect the general public's opinion of Obama or his administration. What a sad state this country and it's government is in.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Things seem to be heating up again on the controversy over the attack on the Benghazi Embassy. The more I hear the more it just wants to make me puke. It's showing what a piece of shit Obama and Hillary Clinton are. It sickens me even more knowing no matter what comes out of these latest hearings it won't affect the general public's opinion of Obama or his administration. What a sad state this country and it's government is in.

So far I think Hillary Clinton is the main focus of this. But really look at the big picture here and realize that these two (BO and Clinton) have absolutely no former military experience so how the fuck can they effectivly deal with military issues when they've never even served in the military themselves. Does anyone have to wonder why these two idiots mentioned above are fucking shit up in this regard?

[Boomchild]

Things seem to be heating up again on the controversy over the attack on the Benghazi Embassy. The more I hear the more it just wants to make me puke. It's showing what a piece of shit Obama and Hillary Clinton are. It sickens me even more knowing no matter what comes out of these latest hearings it won't affect the general public's opinion of Obama or his administration. What a sad state this country and it's government is in.

So far I think Hillary Clinton is the main focus of this. But really look at the big picture here and realize that these two (BO and Clinton) have absolutely no former military experience so how the fuck can they effectivly deal with military issues when they've never even served in the military themselves. Does anyone have to wonder why these two idiots mentioned above are fucking shit up in this regard?

Hillary is certainly a major player in the event and cover up. But, if the military etc. were told to stand down or not respond that could one come from one person, BARACK OBAMA. The major media is stating that big mistakes were made but there was no cover up. I guess they still believe this spawned from an obscure YouTube video about Islam.

[slucero]

It's a political two-fer...

1. discredit Obama.. and
2. ruin Hillary's reputation (and any possibility she could run in 2016)

If there happens to be something truthful in there, and results in some prosecutions that can be pointed at the liberals.. all the better..

[G.I.Jim]

Things seem to be heating up again on the controversy over the attack on the Benghazi Embassy. The more I hear the more it just wants to make me puke. It's showing what a piece of shit Obama and Hillary Clinton are. It sickens me even more knowing no matter what comes out of these latest hearings it won't affect the general public's opinion of Obama or his administration. What a sad state this country and it's government is in.

So far I think Hillary Clinton is the main focus of this. But really look at the big picture here and realize that these two (BO and Clinton) have absolutely no former military experience so how the fuck can they effectivly deal with military issues when they've never even served in the military themselves. Does anyone have to wonder why these two idiots mentioned above are fucking shit up in this regard?

EXACTLY!!! I'm not trying to shove the military down anyone's throat here, but I honestly believe that a prerequisite to becoming "Commander In Chief" should require ALL presidents to have served at least one period of enlistment in the military. I've seen video footage of Obama stepping off of Air Force One and when he comes down the steps, he doesn't even return the salute to the Marines that are saluting him. This is of the upmost disrespect to them and the uniform. I truly believe that to be in charge of our military... you should have at LEAST served in it.

[Don]

Things seem to be heating up again on the controversy over the attack on the Benghazi Embassy. The more I hear the more it just wants to make me puke. It's showing what a piece of shit Obama and Hillary Clinton are. It sickens me even more knowing no matter what comes out of these latest hearings it won't affect the general public's opinion of Obama or his administration. What a sad state this country and it's government is in.

So far I think Hillary Clinton is the main focus of this. But really look at the big picture here and realize that these two (BO and Clinton) have absolutely no former military experience so how the fuck can they effectivly deal with military issues when they've never even served in the military themselves. Does anyone have to wonder why these two idiots mentioned above are fucking shit up in this regard?

EXACTLY!!! I'm not trying to shove the military down anyone's throat here, but I honestly believe that a prerequisite to becoming "Commander In Chief" should require ALL presidents to have served at least one period of enlistment in the military. I've seen video footage of Obama stepping off of Air Force One and when he comes down the steps, he doesn't even return the salute to the Marines that are saluting him. This is of the upmost disrespect to them and the uniform. I truly believe that to be in charge of our military... you should have at LEAST served in it.

Good thing Mitt ain't president then. Dude had 2-S student deferments, then a 4-D ministerial deferment. He's worse than Slick Willie.

It's a bogus argument anyway. No way does George Bush Jr's national guard service make him more capable of being a Commander and Chief than Paul Ryan. It's totally a non-factor.

[slucero]

Things seem to be heating up again on the controversy over the attack on the Benghazi Embassy. The more I hear the more it just wants to make me puke. It's showing what a piece of shit Obama and Hillary Clinton are. It sickens me even more knowing no matter what comes out of these latest hearings it won't affect the general public's opinion of Obama or his administration. What a sad state this country and it's government is in.

So far I think Hillary Clinton is the main focus of this. But really look at the big picture here and realize that these two (BO and Clinton) have absolutely no former military experience so how the fuck can they effectivly deal with military issues when they've never even served in the military themselves. Does anyone have to wonder why these two idiots mentioned above are fucking shit up in this regard?

EXACTLY!!! I'm not trying to shove the military down anyone's throat here, but I honestly believe that a prerequisite to becoming "Commander In Chief" should require ALL presidents to have served at least one period of enlistment in the military. I've seen video footage of Obama stepping off of Air Force One and when he comes down the steps, he doesn't even return the salute to the Marines that are saluting him. This is of the upmost disrespect to them and the uniform. I truly believe that to be in charge of our military... you should have at LEAST served in it.

Respecting the service, or following protocols (returning the respectful salute) doesn't require military service...

...it only requires that the POTUS actually respect the service..

[The Sushi Hunter]

When a person comes from a military background, regardless of which branch, not only do they have a better understanding of military actions and activities, they also have a stronger commitment to the wellbeing of the country in which they served.

30 years ago BO was smoking pot in a dorm. 45 years ago Hillary and Bill Clinton were drug loving hippies. Is it any wonder Bill was having his cock sucked by his young little intern while in the whitehouse and then lying about it? If it wasn't for Chelsea Bill would have probably claimed Hillary and him never had sex.

[slucero]

When a person comes from a military background, regardless of which branch, not only do they have a better understanding of military actions and activities, they also have a stronger commitment to the wellbeing of the country in which they served.

30 years ago BO was smoking pot in a dorm. 45 years ago Hillary and Bill Clinton were drug loving hippies. Is it any wonder Bill was having his cock sucked by his young little intern while in the whitehouse and then lying about it? If it wasn't for Chelsea Bill would have probably claimed Hillary and him never had sex.

I disagree.. there's lots of royal fuckups who've also served in the military.. Timothy McVay is one example..

You don't get your morality or your leadership cred from the military... and the last thing we need is a leader who's morality is solely based their service. Understanding military protocal as POTUS simply doesn't require service. It just requires respect for the service and the way things are done.

Eisenhower was a great general and POTUS because he realized that the People always must be served first... so much so that he warned the American population about the rising military industrial complex in his farewell speech. Much the same way George Washington did in his farewell letter also.

Bush and Obama apparently haven't read Washington's letter or seen Eisenhower's farewell speech.. either way .. CLEARLY they aren't "cut from the same cloth"..