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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Sat May 11, 2013 12:48 pm

So I heard that there has no been no warming of the planet in 13 years.

I heard that the planet temperature dropped 3 degrees in one year, this past year, as opposed to the 1 degree rise in the past century they have been crying wolf about all this time.

Tornadoes at an all time low last year? Yup.

So inside, I'm thinking finally, we can stop overcharging the old and poor for energy and fuel and move on to some other scam. But alas, some will never stop. There are so many things wrong with this story that I am actually beginning to become concerned about the human race and their ability to think and be honest. It really sickens me.

The gas prices here are already skyrocketing ahead of summer. I make good money and it's hurting me (4 drivers in the house, about to be 6). I can't even imagine how a person making minimum wage or even double that can afford things. I know people that sweat to death in the summer and wear blankets in the winter because they can't afford to heat or cool their home. But let's all make sure we put money in the pockets of these idiots.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/atmospheric-co2-concentrations_n_3253757.html

By the way - we reached this big milestone. I'm sorry if I missed the volcanoes erupting and the oceans flooding the streets of LA and New York. I must of been focused on Jay Carney's inability to tell the truth today.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat May 11, 2013 3:03 pm

G.I.Jim wrote:EXACTLY!!! I'm not trying to shove the military down anyone's throat here, but I honestly believe that a prerequisite to becoming "Commander In Chief" should require ALL presidents to have served at least one period of enlistment in the military. I've seen video footage of Obama stepping off of Air Force One and when he comes down the steps, he doesn't even return the salute to the Marines that are saluting him. This is of the upmost disrespect to them and the uniform. I truly believe that to be in charge of our military... you should have at LEAST served in it. :?


This is not due to him not having served in the military and being ignorant of protocol. Obama does not have respect for our military because he thinks we have used it to influence or force other country's to our or the "western world" needs. In a sense the U.S. has used it to rob other parts of the world like some feel the English did with colonial rule of third world countries. In his mind the U.S. should not be the worlds sole superpower and if he has his way he will break down the military to achieve it.

As far as a President to have military experience to effectively be the "commander in chief", I think it's a plus but not a requirement. What the President needs is to choose the right and strong military advisers for his\her cabinet.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby steveo777 » Sat May 11, 2013 4:02 pm

Benghazi has been covered up and distorted by the liberal media for only one purpose. They didn't want to throw it out to the public and risk Obama's reelection possibilities. The liberal media was either threatened or paid off, but otherwise ordered to stand down on it. In any case, if the truth had been disclosed after Obama and his cronies threw the sand over the turd, I'm confident he woudn't have been reelected. Now even the liberal media's lips are starting to speak. Now all the lying is coming out and it's getting ugly. People need to set their party allegiance aside and really dig for the truth on this. Obama and Hilary are going to burn for this in the end, as it should be.

Obama has some real issues to deal with, the most important issues he should be concerned with. How about righting the economy, putting folks to work, working on our infrastructure and serious immigration enforcement. Instead he's making gun control, Obamacare, taking million dollar vacations, golfing, pork barrel spending, welfare increase, amnesty for illegals, increasing food stamp expenditures, lessened border control, increased drones, buying up ammunition as fast as the manufacturers can make them, converting military tanks for civilian use, having martial law signs manufactured, which are being returned on the dead head in Walmart trucks. If that isn't enough, he is prepared at any second to borrow and spend more money, because he couldn't get his priorities right in his first term and now it's getting really, really expensive. No problem, his Chinese Express card has a few trillion left on it. Are the libbys really this brainwashed that they think there is a light at the end of all of it? Spoiled brat, immediate gratification little fuckers, if you ask me! When you have a society that puts their own immediate wants in front of the well being of an entire country, Houston, we have a problem!!!! You can't talk to them, they get pissed. They are in denial and they have their noses firmly buried in Barrack Hussein Obama's ass crack!

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun May 12, 2013 2:47 pm

Thinking that Benghazi and now the IRS scandal is going to impact Obama's administration or the public's opinion of him is hoping for something that is not going to happen. Even though major media has done some reporting on it, I expect it to fade very fast and things will be back to what they have been. People in general are not even paying serious attention to these things anyway. In recent poll they found a large percentage of the public don't even know Obamacare is already being implemented and some believe it or not thought it was repealed. That should give you an idea of just how out of it people are in the U.S.. You won't see Obama change his focus to dealing with things the way we think they should be. Things are going exactly as he has planned. In order to fundamentally change our government you have break it down first. I would even go as far to say that he is trying to provoke unrest, divide us and push us into civil war. Civil War would be one way he could stay in office longer then term limits allow.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue May 14, 2013 2:05 am

Yeah that IRS deal is icing on the cake ain't it. Make no mistake, the IRS did exactly what the dems want, the only issue is they got caught. So if a Dem does say anything negative about this, it's not because it was wrong what the IRS did, but the IRS was wrong because they got caught.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Tue May 14, 2013 7:28 am

It's been a rough period of time for the Administration. Between losing on big agenda items, to Benghazi, to Boston, to the IRS thing (which is going to be a really rough ride) and now to the AP phone records thing, I see a pretty steep drop in the polls. That is if the media holds on to anything.

I'm starting to feel that this could be one of the more dishonest administrations in our time and that's too bad because they promised not to be. I know they all do and all are, but I've never seen an administration get such a pass before. Maybe if the media had of done their job early on, the Administration would have felt less free to do all these things.

I read so many comments from liberals that just give pass after pass after pass. For instance, in the IRS thing, which is really just beyond bad, the comments are all about "Well what about Bush", and "Good, they should be looked at." I mean, where is the honesty anymore? Don't get me wrong, I've never seen an entirely honest administration in my lifetime.

None of this for me is a Dem or Republican thing. It's just hey, this is the administration in front of us right now and they are getting away with murder. And the way people look away from it is scary. I don't care what Bush did or Clinton did at this point. And if a Republican gets in, I will care less about what Obama did. It's about taking what is happening and asking if it is good for the country or not. And lying to the people you serve, spying in unprecedented numbers, and all this other stuff is just really really bad for this country.

I no longer feel free. That started in the last administration and it's only gotten worse. I don't feel I can do a single thing anymore. Everyone should read some of the things going on with national databases. Very scary stuff. And that's both parties 100%.

But here is why they get away with it. I asked a friend why she was so supportive of Obama when he is doing everything Bush did, and then some. What happened to all her complaints. Her answer, I swear, was "If Obama does it, then I know it's ok because I trust him." That person actually votes every election. No one should be led that blindly. Vote for Obama because you agree with his policies. Don't agree with his policies just because he's Obama.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue May 14, 2013 7:38 am

Memorex wrote:None of this for me is a Dem or Republican thing.


Sorry but your just wrong with that thnking. To the dems it has everything to do with whether or not you are dem or republican, everything to do with that. I remember during Bush years, I went to my friend's girlfriends house and she and her sister were living together. In the kitchen my friend's girlfriends sister had a fucking calendar and each day had a quote bashing President Bush. The great thing is, her sister who had this type of horseshit was a school teacher to boot. Most Democrats have a mental disorder. Even I don't care for BO but I won't go as far as to be entertained with a calendar bashing him. WTF!

Another thing that went on in the San Francisco Bay Area was how the Dems posted in the newspapers who republican supporters were. They also posted in the newpapers who donated support for Prop 8. Prop 8 is "no on homosexual/same sex marrage". What other reason besides discrimination against republicans and Prop 8 supports does posting their personal information publically serve?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby slucero » Tue May 14, 2013 8:31 am

If there's anything that will turn the press against Obama... this might be it...

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-obtains-wide-ap-phone-records-probe

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.


I also don't think it matters whether it was warranted or not... The press has had Obama's back because he's their golden child...

They'll tolerate and still protect him, even if he withholds info... or revises the truth, as is obvious now with Bengahzi..

I'm thinking they won't tolerate being spied on by anyone though..


Now he's in the position of having to protect his relationship with the press, at the cost of his relationship with the DOJ (Holder)... which makes some of the DOJ his enemy... or protecting the DOJ at the cost of his protection by the press.. which he absolutely can't have..


This is lose - lose for the WH.. the question is just to what degree..

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Tue May 14, 2013 9:05 am

I'm saying I don;t look at things from those sides. I think both sides look at things on the other side and cry. But I'm just not that kind of cat.

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Memorex wrote:None of this for me is a Dem or Republican thing.


Sorry but your just wrong with that thnking. To the dems it has everything to do with whether or not you are dem or republican, everything to do with that. I remember during Bush years, I went to my friend's girlfriends house and she and her sister were living together. In the kitchen my friend's girlfriends sister had a fucking calendar and each day had a quote bashing President Bush. The great thing is, her sister who had this type of horseshit was a school teacher to boot. Most Democrats have a mental disorder. Even I don't care for BO but I won't go as far as to be entertained with a calendar bashing him. WTF!

Another thing that went on in the San Francisco Bay Area was how the Dems posted in the newspapers who republican supporters were. They also posted in the newpapers who donated support for Prop 8. Prop 8 is "no on homosexual/same sex marrage". What other reason besides discrimination against republicans and Prop 8 supports does posting their personal information publically serve?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Tue May 14, 2013 9:13 am

I'm going to backtrack on my comment about this admin being on of the most dishonest. That's not a fair assessment - yet.

What I will say is that I think staunch supporters of this administration and the many of the news media are absolutely the most dishonest group I can recall, intellectually, when it comes to this stuff. And the shock of how little this administration is held accountable is what is causing me to feel it's the administration itself.

When Bush was in office, there were protests over everything. EVERYTHING. And my God the list of things people complained about was overwhelming. The man was truly hated. Then Obama comes in. He has changed a lot of things. But not really many of those things that all those people were complaining about. And some that he has changed, such as reducing drilling, etc, has hurt us. But all that complaining seems to be long gone.

No administration should be allowed to run so free. Government has gotten way too big, way too powerful. And the things they are doing now to set up for future power is ASTOUNDING. Absolutely astounding!
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby verslibre » Tue May 14, 2013 9:26 am

I'm convinced 90% of the same bullshit happens and will happen if a Dem or Repub is in office. Doesn't matter.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Tue May 14, 2013 9:31 am

verslibre wrote:I'm convinced 90% of the same bullshit happens and will happen if a Dem or Repub is in office. Doesn't matter.


I tend to agree, but the press covers it and digs in and generally prevents things from continuing. Not so here.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue May 14, 2013 9:54 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah that IRS deal is icing on the cake ain't it. Make no mistake, the IRS did exactly what the dems want, the only issue is they got caught. So if a Dem does say anything negative about this, it's not because it was wrong what the IRS did, but the IRS was wrong because they got caught.


Obama has already given us an idea of what the Dems are thinking. In a press conference today, he said "if" the IRS has done what is being reported then he will take action. "IF"! For God's Sake dude, the IRS has already publicly admitted they were targeting the conservative organizations. Of course none of the so called "reporters" pointed that out to Obama. It's amazing what the public and the press will accept as a straight answer from this President.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue May 14, 2013 10:04 am

Fact Finder wrote:Here's the real scandal.. :twisted:


Internal cost estimates from 17 of the nation's largest insurance companies indicate that health insurance premiums will grow an average of 100 percent under Obamacare, and that some will soar more than 400 percent, crushing the administration's goal of affordability.

New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which released a report Monday based on internal documents provided by the insurance companies. The 17 companies include Aetna, Blue Cross Blue Shield and Kaiser Foundation.

The report found that individuals will face "premium increases of nearly 100 percent on average, with potential highs eclipsing 400 percent. Meanwhile, small businesses can expect average premium increases in the small group market of up to 50 percent, with potential highs over 100 percent."

One company said that new participants in the individual market could see a premium increase of 413 percent when new requirements on age rating and required benefits are taken into account, said the report. "The average yearly cost for a new customer in the individual market grows from $1,896 to $3,708 -- a $1,812 cost increase," it added.

The key reasons for the surge in premiums include providing wider services than people are now paying for and adding less healthy people to the roles of insured, said the report.

It concluded: "Despite promises that the law will lower costs, [Obamacare] will in fact cause the premiums of many Americans to spike substantially. The broken promises are numerous, and the empirical data reveal that many Americans, from recent college graduates to older adults, will not be able to afford the law's higher costs."


It will do exactly what Obama intended it to do. Crush the private sector of health insurance. That way they can claim that they tried to do with it with private health insurance companies and it did not work so they will have to convert health care to a one payer system run by the Federal Government (of course). Just about everything Obama implements on the surface looks like it supposed to solve or fix a problem. However, cloaked behind it is the actual plan which is to destroy make it worse then it was before. Face it folks, he is masterfully duping the public on mass.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed May 15, 2013 1:43 am

Boomchild wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah that IRS deal is icing on the cake ain't it. Make no mistake, the IRS did exactly what the dems want, the only issue is they got caught. So if a Dem does say anything negative about this, it's not because it was wrong what the IRS did, but the IRS was wrong because they got caught.


Obama has already given us an idea of what the Dems are thinking. In a press conference today, he said "if" the IRS has done what is being reported then he will take action. "IF"! For God's Sake dude, the IRS has already publicly admitted they were targeting the conservative organizations. Of course none of the so called "reporters" pointed that out to Obama. It's amazing what the public and the press will accept as a straight answer from this President.


Yeah, keep focus on what I say in regards to "if" more then what is actually happening.

As for the announcing it publically, you're going to find that "higher ups" knew about this a year ago and the only reason they just now came clean about it publically is because it was going to be made public by other sources. Basically hoping by admitting it themselves would look better for them than if it was exposed by other sources.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Wed May 15, 2013 3:08 am

It's really feeling like all of these things are to distract from the Benghazi thing. I think the IRS thing is big, but we'll see. The AP thing will die down, except in the industry. The Benghazi thing is flat out our president and our secretary of state standing and lying to the American people. And it is still happening. I think right now the White House wants anything but Benghazi.

If the truth really is that they were gun running, which is what most think it really was, the Administration doesn't want that to have legs.

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed May 15, 2013 3:19 am

One of the many problems with BO is since he lacks so many qualifications all the way across the board, he and various members of his administration, which include individuals such as Clinton, Rice, etc., they rely heavily on advisors for everything they need to make decisions on. They also have to get advice on how to hide their shitty agenda, so they are working double time on everything they are doing. For example, with the terrorist attack in Libya, since BO had to consult so many of his advisors during the decision making process since he lacks in so many ways, BO and his administration had for example 35 advisors to help them with the decision making process. This means there would be a total of 595 lines of communication going on as a result. Basic rule is the more lines of communications, the greater the risk. Simply put BO and his clown posse administration ran out of time to prevent the four from getting killed, and then to add insult to injury, made up some shit to make it look like the attack was something other than what it really was in their attempt to cover up their deficiencies in leadership, judgement, decision making skills, etc. etc.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed May 15, 2013 3:31 am

Memorex wrote:It's really feeling like all of these things are to distract from the Benghazi thing. I think the IRS thing is big, but we'll see. The AP thing will die down, except in the industry. The Benghazi thing is flat out our president and our secretary of state standing and lying to the American people. And it is still happening. I think right now the White House wants anything but Benghazi.

If the truth really is that they were gun running, which is what most think it really was, the Administration doesn't want that to have legs.

Fact Finder wrote:FYI: CIA source says still one more shoe to drop. Yes, four shoes. Dead ambassador, tapped phones, IRS probes. Will it be worse? Can it be?!— joseph curl (@josephcurl) May 14, 2013


BO will make a public announcement today that he's been living a hidden gay life. That would definitely distract from Benghazi.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 15, 2013 5:40 am

Boomchild wrote:It will do exactly what Obama intended it to do. Crush the private sector of health insurance. That way they can claim that they tried to do with it with private health insurance companies and it did not work so they will have to convert health care to a one payer system run by the Federal Government (of course). Just about everything Obama implements on the surface looks like it supposed to solve or fix a problem. However, cloaked behind it is the actual plan which is to destroy make it worse then it was before. Face it folks, he is masterfully duping the public on mass.


Man, that's deep. :roll:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Wed May 15, 2013 5:56 am

Somebody ought to put together a mash up of all the time Obama, Hillary, and Holder have all said they were not involved in things or were unaware of things. Splice in a little Reagan and Clinton to top things off and we could have comedy gold. Scary comedy, but comedy none the less.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed May 15, 2013 6:13 am

Fact Finder wrote:IRS LEAKED INFO ON CONSERVATIVES TO MEDIA

McCONNELL: 'We've Only Started to Scratch the Surface of This Scandal'...


Sort of like how the personal information of republican supporters/donators and supporters/donators of Prop 8 wound up given to the local media and published in newspapers throughout the Bay Area and beyond. BO and company is one big scandal. Funny thing about Biden is we've not heard a peep from his pie hole in months now. That’s not like “Boy Wonder”. Wonder what he's up to? Working on his upcoming presidential election campaign?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed May 15, 2013 6:18 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Memorex wrote:Somebody ought to put together a mash up of all the time Obama, Hillary, and Holder have all said they were not involved in things or were unaware of things. Splice in a little Reagan and Clinton to top things off and we could have comedy gold. Scary comedy, but comedy none the less.


I love how O, and later today his nose cozy Carney both said, "If the IRS did this it's outrageous." After the IRS Head has already admitted to it. YCMTSU! :lol:


From what I understand, this is not new news to these people. The word was already out that they were doing this like a year ago. Word got out among the top and the high level of the IRS wrote in memos that the accusations were false. It's only been addressed publically now since they figured it was about to be brought out into the open by other sources. Where was BO and company before this week on this topic? Not a peep.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby conversationpc » Wed May 15, 2013 6:19 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:And hey, remind me, who originally designed Obamacare? Wasn't it that nefarious pinko Bolshevik organization, "The Heritage Foundation"?


I've never supported an individual mandate regardless of what other conservative politicians or organizations have supported it. So whatever they've done in the past is no reflection on my individual beliefs and the gotcha mentality of who originally came up with it is hardly an easy gotcha, as if that somehow legitimizes the concept in the first place.

Anyway, here's an explanation from one of the supposed progenitors of the individual mandate... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opi ... 52951140/1
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed May 15, 2013 8:11 am

It's almost getting exciting to learn of new shit BO and his clown posse administration are up to. So we got Libya, IRS, AP issue and the Obozocare deal. Fuck I'm excited to find out yet another fuckup this clown is up to. Any day now I'm sure something new will be coming to light.

How about that relative of his that was living illigally in the U.S. That was some funny shit that happened right after he took office.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 15, 2013 12:15 pm

conversationpc wrote:Anyway, here's an explanation from one of the supposed progenitors of the individual mandate... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opi ... 52951140/1



Lovely. And here's the Wall Street Journal (not exactly a left wing rag) pretty much saying that this guy is covering his own ass and a liar. I can play this game all night.

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed May 15, 2013 12:59 pm

The Sushi Hunter wrote:One of the many problems with BO is since he lacks so many qualifications all the way across the board, he and various members of his administration, which include individuals such as Clinton, Rice, etc., they rely heavily on advisors for everything they need to make decisions on. They also have to get advice on how to hide their shitty agenda, so they are working double time on everything they are doing. For example, with the terrorist attack in Libya, since BO had to consult so many of his advisors during the decision making process since he lacks in so many ways, BO and his administration had for example 35 advisors to help them with the decision making process. This means there would be a total of 595 lines of communication going on as a result. Basic rule is the more lines of communications, the greater the risk. Simply put BO and his clown posse administration ran out of time to prevent the four from getting killed, and then to add insult to injury, made up some shit to make it look like the attack was something other than what it really was in their attempt to cover up their deficiencies in leadership, judgement, decision making skills, etc. etc.


Personally, I do not think that he consulted any of his advisers regarding Benghazi. From the get go he was not going to involve the military and expose the attack as a terrorist act if at all possible. Not just before the election and the fact that he was going around stating that we have weakened the terrorists so they are unable to function and carry out events like this. He thought he could control it and come up with a viable explanation that would stick. It didn't.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby slucero » Wed May 15, 2013 1:54 pm

Looks like D.C. is starting to turn on Obama..

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D.C. turns on Obama
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm? ... 5EC367B05F
By: Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei
May 14, 2013 09:10 PM EDT

The town is turning on President Obama – and this is very bad news for this White House.

Republicans have waited five years for the moment to put the screws to Obama – and they have one-third of all congressional committees on the case now. Establishment Democrats, never big fans of this president to begin with, are starting to speak out. And reporters are tripping over themselves to condemn lies, bullying and shadiness in the Obama administration.

Buy-in from all three D.C. stakeholders is an essential ingredient for a good old fashioned Washington pile-on — so get ready for bad stories and public scolding to pile-up.

Vernon Jordan, a close adviser to President Bill Clinton through his darkest days, told us: “It’s never all right if you’re the president. There is no smooth sailing. So now he has the turbulence, and this is the ultimate test of his leadership.” Jordan says Obama needs to do something dramatic on the IRS, and quick: “He needs to fire somebody. He needs action, not conversation.”

Obama’s aloof mien and holier-than-thou rhetoric have left him with little reservoir of good will, even among Democrats. And the press, after years of being accused of being soft on Obama while being berated by West Wing aides on matters big and small, now has every incentive to be as ruthless as can be.

This White House’s instinctive petulance, arrogance and defensiveness have all worked together to isolate Obama at a time when he most needs a support system. “It feel like they don’t know what they’re here to do,” a former senior Obama administration official said. “When there’s no narrative, stuff like this consumes you.”

Republican outrage is predictable, maybe even manageable. Democratic outrage is not.

The dam of solid Democratic solidarity has collapsed, starting with New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd’s weekend scolding of the White House over Benghazi, then gushing with the news the Justice Department had sucked-up an absurdly broad swath of Associated Press phone records.

Democrats are privately befuddled by the White House’s flat-footed handling of this P.R. and legal mess, blaming a combination of bad timing, hubris and communications ineptitude. The most charitable defense offered up on background is that Obama staffers are scandal virgins, unaccustomed to dealing with a rabid press.

Chris Lehane, who spent so much time managing scandals in the 1990s that it inspired him to write a textbook on managing them, is among the contingent of Clinton-era scandal hands that thinks the Obama team has botched its second-term image. “One cannot get caught up with chasing news cycles in a crisis, as that is a prescription for putting out inaccurate information that does not withstand scrutiny or the test of time,” said Lehane, whose book is titled “Masters of Disaster.”

One Democrat who likes Obama and has been around town for many years said elected officials in his own party are no different than Republicans: they think the president is distant and unapproachable.

“He has never taken the Democratic chairs up to Camp David to have a drink or to have a discussion,” the longtime Washingtonian said. “You gotta stroke people, and talk to them. It’s like courting: you have to send flowers and candy and have surprises. It’s a constant process. Now they’re saying, ‘He never talked to me in the good times.’ ”

This makes it easier for Democrats like House Oversight Committee Elijah Cummings to pop off, like he did on CNN Tuesday, calling the IRS scandal “one of the most alarming things” he’s ever seen. Ouch.

None of this is going away. Top Republicans tell us the Benghazi investigations will last at least months, and probably until the midterms of 2014 and beyond. Same for the IRS scandal - and new scrutiny of how the Obama White House clamps down on its critics. Republicans are also working up plans to use the backdrop of government incompetence and over-reach to try to further undermine implementation of the new health care law.

This is a dangerous — albeit familiar — place for a second-term president. Once the dogs are released, they bark, they bite, and it takes a very long time to calm them down. Bill Clinton got hit early and often, and George W. Bush never really recovered from it.

No doubt, the hysteria cools. But, once you hit this point, it takes time, often lots of it.

The long-term danger is that the political system and the public start to view the president, his motives and ideas through a more skeptical lens. The short-term danger is the press races for new details, new scandals, new expressions of indignity with each passing day. Read Tuesday morning editorial pages of every paper for a taste of things to come. Or watch a re-run of Tuesday’s “Morning Joe,” where reporters made it sound like Obama is a modern day Nixon.

““And it goes beyond even the story,” National Journal’s Ron Fournier, who covered the Clinton and Bush scandals and was once the AP Washington bureau chief, said on the show. “One common thing with Benghazi and the IRS scandal, is we’re being misled every day. We were lied to on Benghazi, on the talking points behind Benghazi, for months. We were lied to by the IRS for months and now they’re sending a clear message to our sources:

Don’t embarrass the administration or we’re coming after you.”

Contributing: Katie Glueck




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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Wed May 15, 2013 3:14 pm

What happened to the 90's when they just killed people or the 00's when they just tortured them? Seems cheaper. :)
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu May 16, 2013 1:06 am

Fact Finder wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:It's almost getting exciting to learn of new shit BO and his clown posse administration are up to. So we got Libya, IRS, AP issue and the Obozocare deal. Fuck I'm excited to find out yet another fuckup this clown is up to. Any day now I'm sure something new will be coming to light.

How about that relative of his that was living illigally in the U.S. That was some funny shit that happened right after he took office.



Haven't seen or heard from SloJoe Biden for awhile, wonder if he's home in Delaware learning how to spell "PRESIDENT"? :lol:


I was just mentioning that about Biden not hearing a peep from his pie hole over the last few months. Yeah somethings going on. Wondering if he's staying out of sight and then taking the helm if BO leaves for whatever reason(s). Have to admit, not hearing Biden's blow hole is quite out of the ordinary.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu May 16, 2013 1:13 am

slucero wrote:Looks like D.C. is starting to turn on Obama..


If BO starts to piss off his own, that will sink the ship for sure. Will they give him another Nobel Peace Prize if he makes it through his second term? They'll give it to him for just showing up for "work" like they do in the civilian workforce to those who just show up but really don't get anything accomplished in regards to the job. They tarnished the name when they gave it to him the first time, so give everyone a Nobel Peace Prize, it means absolutely nothing anymore.
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