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G.I.Jim wrote:EXACTLY!!! I'm not trying to shove the military down anyone's throat here, but I honestly believe that a prerequisite to becoming "Commander In Chief" should require ALL presidents to have served at least one period of enlistment in the military. I've seen video footage of Obama stepping off of Air Force One and when he comes down the steps, he doesn't even return the salute to the Marines that are saluting him. This is of the upmost disrespect to them and the uniform. I truly believe that to be in charge of our military... you should have at LEAST served in it.
Memorex wrote:None of this for me is a Dem or Republican thing.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Memorex wrote:None of this for me is a Dem or Republican thing.
Sorry but your just wrong with that thnking. To the dems it has everything to do with whether or not you are dem or republican, everything to do with that. I remember during Bush years, I went to my friend's girlfriends house and she and her sister were living together. In the kitchen my friend's girlfriends sister had a fucking calendar and each day had a quote bashing President Bush. The great thing is, her sister who had this type of horseshit was a school teacher to boot. Most Democrats have a mental disorder. Even I don't care for BO but I won't go as far as to be entertained with a calendar bashing him. WTF!
Another thing that went on in the San Francisco Bay Area was how the Dems posted in the newspapers who republican supporters were. They also posted in the newpapers who donated support for Prop 8. Prop 8 is "no on homosexual/same sex marrage". What other reason besides discrimination against republicans and Prop 8 supports does posting their personal information publically serve?
verslibre wrote:I'm convinced 90% of the same bullshit happens and will happen if a Dem or Repub is in office. Doesn't matter.
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah that IRS deal is icing on the cake ain't it. Make no mistake, the IRS did exactly what the dems want, the only issue is they got caught. So if a Dem does say anything negative about this, it's not because it was wrong what the IRS did, but the IRS was wrong because they got caught.
Fact Finder wrote:Here's the real scandal..
Internal cost estimates from 17 of the nation's largest insurance companies indicate that health insurance premiums will grow an average of 100 percent under Obamacare, and that some will soar more than 400 percent, crushing the administration's goal of affordability.
New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which released a report Monday based on internal documents provided by the insurance companies. The 17 companies include Aetna, Blue Cross Blue Shield and Kaiser Foundation.
The report found that individuals will face "premium increases of nearly 100 percent on average, with potential highs eclipsing 400 percent. Meanwhile, small businesses can expect average premium increases in the small group market of up to 50 percent, with potential highs over 100 percent."
One company said that new participants in the individual market could see a premium increase of 413 percent when new requirements on age rating and required benefits are taken into account, said the report. "The average yearly cost for a new customer in the individual market grows from $1,896 to $3,708 -- a $1,812 cost increase," it added.
The key reasons for the surge in premiums include providing wider services than people are now paying for and adding less healthy people to the roles of insured, said the report.
It concluded: "Despite promises that the law will lower costs, [Obamacare] will in fact cause the premiums of many Americans to spike substantially. The broken promises are numerous, and the empirical data reveal that many Americans, from recent college graduates to older adults, will not be able to afford the law's higher costs."
Boomchild wrote:The Sushi Hunter wrote:Yeah that IRS deal is icing on the cake ain't it. Make no mistake, the IRS did exactly what the dems want, the only issue is they got caught. So if a Dem does say anything negative about this, it's not because it was wrong what the IRS did, but the IRS was wrong because they got caught.
Obama has already given us an idea of what the Dems are thinking. In a press conference today, he said "if" the IRS has done what is being reported then he will take action. "IF"! For God's Sake dude, the IRS has already publicly admitted they were targeting the conservative organizations. Of course none of the so called "reporters" pointed that out to Obama. It's amazing what the public and the press will accept as a straight answer from this President.
Fact Finder wrote:FYI: CIA source says still one more shoe to drop. Yes, four shoes. Dead ambassador, tapped phones, IRS probes. Will it be worse? Can it be?!— joseph curl (@josephcurl) May 14, 2013
Memorex wrote:It's really feeling like all of these things are to distract from the Benghazi thing. I think the IRS thing is big, but we'll see. The AP thing will die down, except in the industry. The Benghazi thing is flat out our president and our secretary of state standing and lying to the American people. And it is still happening. I think right now the White House wants anything but Benghazi.
If the truth really is that they were gun running, which is what most think it really was, the Administration doesn't want that to have legs.Fact Finder wrote:FYI: CIA source says still one more shoe to drop. Yes, four shoes. Dead ambassador, tapped phones, IRS probes. Will it be worse? Can it be?!— joseph curl (@josephcurl) May 14, 2013
Boomchild wrote:It will do exactly what Obama intended it to do. Crush the private sector of health insurance. That way they can claim that they tried to do with it with private health insurance companies and it did not work so they will have to convert health care to a one payer system run by the Federal Government (of course). Just about everything Obama implements on the surface looks like it supposed to solve or fix a problem. However, cloaked behind it is the actual plan which is to destroy make it worse then it was before. Face it folks, he is masterfully duping the public on mass.
Fact Finder wrote:IRS LEAKED INFO ON CONSERVATIVES TO MEDIA
McCONNELL: 'We've Only Started to Scratch the Surface of This Scandal'...
Fact Finder wrote:Memorex wrote:Somebody ought to put together a mash up of all the time Obama, Hillary, and Holder have all said they were not involved in things or were unaware of things. Splice in a little Reagan and Clinton to top things off and we could have comedy gold. Scary comedy, but comedy none the less.
I love how O, and later today his nose cozy Carney both said, "If the IRS did this it's outrageous." After the IRS Head has already admitted to it. YCMTSU!
The_Noble_Cause wrote:And hey, remind me, who originally designed Obamacare? Wasn't it that nefarious pinko Bolshevik organization, "The Heritage Foundation"?
conversationpc wrote:Anyway, here's an explanation from one of the supposed progenitors of the individual mandate... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opi ... 52951140/1
The Sushi Hunter wrote:One of the many problems with BO is since he lacks so many qualifications all the way across the board, he and various members of his administration, which include individuals such as Clinton, Rice, etc., they rely heavily on advisors for everything they need to make decisions on. They also have to get advice on how to hide their shitty agenda, so they are working double time on everything they are doing. For example, with the terrorist attack in Libya, since BO had to consult so many of his advisors during the decision making process since he lacks in so many ways, BO and his administration had for example 35 advisors to help them with the decision making process. This means there would be a total of 595 lines of communication going on as a result. Basic rule is the more lines of communications, the greater the risk. Simply put BO and his clown posse administration ran out of time to prevent the four from getting killed, and then to add insult to injury, made up some shit to make it look like the attack was something other than what it really was in their attempt to cover up their deficiencies in leadership, judgement, decision making skills, etc. etc.
POLITICO
D.C. turns on Obama
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm? ... 5EC367B05F
By: Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei
May 14, 2013 09:10 PM EDT
The town is turning on President Obama – and this is very bad news for this White House.
Republicans have waited five years for the moment to put the screws to Obama – and they have one-third of all congressional committees on the case now. Establishment Democrats, never big fans of this president to begin with, are starting to speak out. And reporters are tripping over themselves to condemn lies, bullying and shadiness in the Obama administration.
Buy-in from all three D.C. stakeholders is an essential ingredient for a good old fashioned Washington pile-on — so get ready for bad stories and public scolding to pile-up.
Vernon Jordan, a close adviser to President Bill Clinton through his darkest days, told us: “It’s never all right if you’re the president. There is no smooth sailing. So now he has the turbulence, and this is the ultimate test of his leadership.” Jordan says Obama needs to do something dramatic on the IRS, and quick: “He needs to fire somebody. He needs action, not conversation.”
Obama’s aloof mien and holier-than-thou rhetoric have left him with little reservoir of good will, even among Democrats. And the press, after years of being accused of being soft on Obama while being berated by West Wing aides on matters big and small, now has every incentive to be as ruthless as can be.
This White House’s instinctive petulance, arrogance and defensiveness have all worked together to isolate Obama at a time when he most needs a support system. “It feel like they don’t know what they’re here to do,” a former senior Obama administration official said. “When there’s no narrative, stuff like this consumes you.”
Republican outrage is predictable, maybe even manageable. Democratic outrage is not.
The dam of solid Democratic solidarity has collapsed, starting with New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd’s weekend scolding of the White House over Benghazi, then gushing with the news the Justice Department had sucked-up an absurdly broad swath of Associated Press phone records.
Democrats are privately befuddled by the White House’s flat-footed handling of this P.R. and legal mess, blaming a combination of bad timing, hubris and communications ineptitude. The most charitable defense offered up on background is that Obama staffers are scandal virgins, unaccustomed to dealing with a rabid press.
Chris Lehane, who spent so much time managing scandals in the 1990s that it inspired him to write a textbook on managing them, is among the contingent of Clinton-era scandal hands that thinks the Obama team has botched its second-term image. “One cannot get caught up with chasing news cycles in a crisis, as that is a prescription for putting out inaccurate information that does not withstand scrutiny or the test of time,” said Lehane, whose book is titled “Masters of Disaster.”
One Democrat who likes Obama and has been around town for many years said elected officials in his own party are no different than Republicans: they think the president is distant and unapproachable.
“He has never taken the Democratic chairs up to Camp David to have a drink or to have a discussion,” the longtime Washingtonian said. “You gotta stroke people, and talk to them. It’s like courting: you have to send flowers and candy and have surprises. It’s a constant process. Now they’re saying, ‘He never talked to me in the good times.’ ”
This makes it easier for Democrats like House Oversight Committee Elijah Cummings to pop off, like he did on CNN Tuesday, calling the IRS scandal “one of the most alarming things” he’s ever seen. Ouch.
None of this is going away. Top Republicans tell us the Benghazi investigations will last at least months, and probably until the midterms of 2014 and beyond. Same for the IRS scandal - and new scrutiny of how the Obama White House clamps down on its critics. Republicans are also working up plans to use the backdrop of government incompetence and over-reach to try to further undermine implementation of the new health care law.
This is a dangerous — albeit familiar — place for a second-term president. Once the dogs are released, they bark, they bite, and it takes a very long time to calm them down. Bill Clinton got hit early and often, and George W. Bush never really recovered from it.
No doubt, the hysteria cools. But, once you hit this point, it takes time, often lots of it.
The long-term danger is that the political system and the public start to view the president, his motives and ideas through a more skeptical lens. The short-term danger is the press races for new details, new scandals, new expressions of indignity with each passing day. Read Tuesday morning editorial pages of every paper for a taste of things to come. Or watch a re-run of Tuesday’s “Morning Joe,” where reporters made it sound like Obama is a modern day Nixon.
““And it goes beyond even the story,” National Journal’s Ron Fournier, who covered the Clinton and Bush scandals and was once the AP Washington bureau chief, said on the show. “One common thing with Benghazi and the IRS scandal, is we’re being misled every day. We were lied to on Benghazi, on the talking points behind Benghazi, for months. We were lied to by the IRS for months and now they’re sending a clear message to our sources:
Don’t embarrass the administration or we’re coming after you.”
Contributing: Katie Glueck
Fact Finder wrote:The Sushi Hunter wrote:It's almost getting exciting to learn of new shit BO and his clown posse administration are up to. So we got Libya, IRS, AP issue and the Obozocare deal. Fuck I'm excited to find out yet another fuckup this clown is up to. Any day now I'm sure something new will be coming to light.
How about that relative of his that was living illigally in the U.S. That was some funny shit that happened right after he took office.
Haven't seen or heard from SloJoe Biden for awhile, wonder if he's home in Delaware learning how to spell "PRESIDENT"?
slucero wrote:Looks like D.C. is starting to turn on Obama..
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