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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu May 16, 2013 1:16 am

Boomchild wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:One of the many problems with BO is since he lacks so many qualifications all the way across the board, he and various members of his administration, which include individuals such as Clinton, Rice, etc., they rely heavily on advisors for everything they need to make decisions on. They also have to get advice on how to hide their shitty agenda, so they are working double time on everything they are doing. For example, with the terrorist attack in Libya, since BO had to consult so many of his advisors during the decision making process since he lacks in so many ways, BO and his administration had for example 35 advisors to help them with the decision making process. This means there would be a total of 595 lines of communication going on as a result. Basic rule is the more lines of communications, the greater the risk. Simply put BO and his clown posse administration ran out of time to prevent the four from getting killed, and then to add insult to injury, made up some shit to make it look like the attack was something other than what it really was in their attempt to cover up their deficiencies in leadership, judgement, decision making skills, etc. etc.


Personally, I do not think that he consulted any of his advisers regarding Benghazi. From the get go he was not going to involve the military and expose the attack as a terrorist act if at all possible. Not just before the election and the fact that he was going around stating that we have weakened the terrorists so they are unable to function and carry out events like this. He thought he could control it and come up with a viable explanation that would stick. It didn't.


You could be right about that. I think he was in contact with them but there was a delay since he relies so heavily on what other people tell him he needs to run with. For that reason, there was a severe delay in taking action and four people were killed because of that delay in response.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu May 16, 2013 1:24 am

Obama, the Dems and some Rep want to give blanket legal status to millions of people who have entered the U.S. illegally. However, if your a family from Germany and are asking the U.S. for asylum because you want to home school your own children you are dined it. What a screwed up government we have.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/home-schooling ... ZOmc5yyHKd
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu May 16, 2013 1:46 am

Boomchild wrote:Obama, the Dems and some Rep want to give blanket legal status to millions of people who have entered the U.S. illegally. However, if your a family from Germany and are asking the U.S. for asylum because you want to home school your own children you are dined it. What a screwed up government we have.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/home-schooling ... ZOmc5yyHKd


The American Government along with individuals who have agendas hate home schooling kids because can't get ahold of your kids and brainwash them or treat them discriminately if they are home schooled.

I have a friend who's wife was home schooled along with her brothers. They all turned out very highly educated. So this friend of mine has home schooled his own kids. They are so far academically advanced compared to kids their own age who go to public schools. Public schools offer distracters, brainwashing and reverse discrimination. Any wonder this country is so fucked up?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu May 16, 2013 2:02 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:The American Government along with individuals who have agendas hate home schooling kids because can't get ahold of your kids and brainwash them or treat them discriminately if they are home schooled.

I have a friend who's wife was home schooled along with her brothers. They all turned out very highly educated. So this friend of mine has home schooled his own kids. They are so far academically advanced compared to kids their own age who go to public schools. Public schools offer distracters, brainwashing and reverse discrimination. Any wonder this country is so fucked up?


Exactly. It's what this "Common Core" or "C-Scope (Texas)" programs are about. A way for this administration to brainwash and program children to their ideals and viewpoint on the world, economics, government and the environment.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby conversationpc » Thu May 16, 2013 2:08 am

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conversationpc wrote:Anyway, here's an explanation from one of the supposed progenitors of the individual mandate... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opi ... 52951140/1



Lovely. And here's the Wall Street Journal (not exactly a left wing rag) pretty much saying that this guy is covering his own ass and a liar. I can play this game all night.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 86448.html


Like I said...It's not a gotcha game. I've never supported an individual mandate and that's enough for me. It doesn't reflect on me one iota if any other conservative has or not.

Nothing to see here folks! Move on! :lol:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Rick » Thu May 16, 2013 2:33 am

conversationpc wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
conversationpc wrote:Anyway, here's an explanation from one of the supposed progenitors of the individual mandate... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opi ... 52951140/1



Lovely. And here's the Wall Street Journal (not exactly a left wing rag) pretty much saying that this guy is covering his own ass and a liar. I can play this game all night.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 86448.html


Like I said...It's not a gotcha game. I've never supported an individual mandate and that's enough for me. It doesn't reflect on me one iota if any other conservative has or not.

Nothing to see here folks! Move on! :lol:


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby conversationpc » Thu May 16, 2013 2:50 am

Rick wrote:It's been a while since you and TNC have sparred. I'm over here in the corner, watching quietly. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Thu May 16, 2013 4:14 am

I always wondered why it takes so long to get to the bottom of things in government. I mean, it should take a day, if that, to know who did what when. Ok, so maybe someone is on vacation and it will take a few days. But not weeks or months.

In all three cases, there would be easy to find answers and I hate seeing our government spend so much damn money to ask basic questions and drawn out hearings.

IRS - Somebody did the scrutinizing and someone ok'd it. If I was running the place, I'd have the answer by end of day.

AP - Someone issues the subpoena and I'd know that within about 15 minutes.

Benghazi - Someone gave the stand down order and someone suggested the narrative change. I'd already know that answer. by the time they were approved.

My God. Do we have to have a frickin parade every damn time?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Thu May 16, 2013 4:20 am

Acting Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Steven Miller has said his agency has pinpointed two "rogue" employees in the agency's Cincinnati office as being principally responsible for "overly aggressive" handling of tea party requests for tax-exempt status over the past two years, a congressional source told CNN today.


Let's see. You run a major company or agency and for years groups complain and congress complains and this stuff is in the news, but it goes on and on and on and now they say they find two rogue employees that are responsible. All leadership above them should be fired for not knowing what they're own employees are doing. That's pure incompetence.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu May 16, 2013 4:28 am

Got to wonder if there will be anybody from the IRS turning up dead or missing. Dead/missing men/women can't talk.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu May 16, 2013 7:47 am

Memorex wrote:I always wondered why it takes so long to get to the bottom of things in government. I mean, it should take a day, if that, to know who did what when. Ok, so maybe someone is on vacation and it will take a few days. But not weeks or months.

In all three cases, there would be easy to find answers and I hate seeing our government spend so much damn money to ask basic questions and drawn out hearings.

IRS - Somebody did the scrutinizing and someone ok'd it. If I was running the place, I'd have the answer by end of day.

AP - Someone issues the subpoena and I'd know that within about 15 minutes.

Benghazi - Someone gave the stand down order and someone suggested the narrative change. I'd already know that answer. by the time they were approved.

My God. Do we have to have a frickin parade every damn time?


It's called the way big government operates. No one should expect them to operate in a timely efficient manner.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu May 16, 2013 7:51 am

Memorex wrote:
Acting Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Steven Miller has said his agency has pinpointed two "rogue" employees in the agency's Cincinnati office as being principally responsible for "overly aggressive" handling of tea party requests for tax-exempt status over the past two years, a congressional source told CNN today.


Let's see. You run a major company or agency and for years groups complain and congress complains and this stuff is in the news, but it goes on and on and on and now they say they find two rogue employees that are responsible. All leadership above them should be fired for not knowing what they're own employees are doing. That's pure incompetence.


They want you to believe it was just two rogue employees that cooked this up. Make no mistake this came from the upper level of the Obama administration. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself and\or have been drinking the kool aid for far to long.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu May 16, 2013 7:52 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Got to wonder if there will be anybody from the IRS turning up dead or missing. Dead/missing men/women can't talk.


Oh come on, that never happens! 8)
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu May 16, 2013 7:55 am

Boomchild wrote:
Memorex wrote:
Acting Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Steven Miller has said his agency has pinpointed two "rogue" employees in the agency's Cincinnati office as being principally responsible for "overly aggressive" handling of tea party requests for tax-exempt status over the past two years, a congressional source told CNN today.


Let's see. You run a major company or agency and for years groups complain and congress complains and this stuff is in the news, but it goes on and on and on and now they say they find two rogue employees that are responsible. All leadership above them should be fired for not knowing what they're own employees are doing. That's pure incompetence.


They want you to believe it was just two rogue employees that cooked this up. Make no mistake this came from the upper level of the Obama administration. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself and\or have been drinking the kool aid for far to long.


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu May 16, 2013 7:58 am

Boomchild wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Got to wonder if there will be anybody from the IRS turning up dead or missing. Dead/missing men/women can't talk.


Oh come on, that never happens! 8)


Sort of like this?

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby conversationpc » Thu May 16, 2013 8:16 am

Boomchild wrote:They want you to believe it was just two rogue employees that cooked this up. Make no mistake this came from the upper level of the Obama administration. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself and\or have been drinking the kool aid for far to long.


Yeah, I had a good laugh when I heard that they were blaming lower-level employees in Ohio or wherever it was. I'm picturing VP Biden giving the thumbs up while winking and grinning.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu May 16, 2013 8:21 am

The good laugh I got yesterday was when Holder commented that the AP phone records issue was ok to do yet he had absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby conversationpc » Thu May 16, 2013 8:43 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:The good laugh I got yesterday was when Holder commented that the AP phone records issue was ok to do yet he had absolutely nothing to do with it.


That dude always has an "I don't know what the hell I'm doing" quizzical sort of look on his face.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu May 16, 2013 11:19 am

Fact Finder wrote:Acting IRS Commissioner resigns.


It's a start but I was looking higher up the food chain. O is in this neck deep.


Now that he has resigned, does this mean he is exempt from having to testify before a Congressional investigation?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby slucero » Thu May 16, 2013 11:45 am

Fact Finder wrote:Acting IRS Commissioner resigns.


It's a start but I was looking higher up the food chain. O is in this neck deep.



The guy who resigned was "acting" IRS Commissioner Steven Miller. Miller became acting commissioner in November, after Commissioner Douglas Shulman completed his five-year term. Shulman had been appointed by President George W. Bush.


Don't think this was the guy responsible for targeting conservative groups..

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu May 16, 2013 2:49 pm

slucero wrote:The guy who resigned was "acting" IRS Commissioner Steven Miller. Miller became acting commissioner in November, after Commissioner Douglas Shulman completed his five-year term. Shulman had been appointed by President George W. Bush.


Don't think this was the guy responsible for targeting conservative groups..


My money in on a person who has the initials B.H.O.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby steveo777 » Thu May 16, 2013 6:35 pm

Is the shit getting ready to hit the fan? The liberal obsession with this guy is quite remarkable. Apparently the blinders are on, no matter what truths are revealed. Apparently, in the face of truth, Obama must shit Ice Cream for the Libs. What will be interesting to find out is if the country will become more enlightened before voting in 2016, or will the sheeple vote us farther down the sewer?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu May 16, 2013 10:56 pm

slucero wrote:Eisenhower was a great general and POTUS because he realized that the People always must be served first... so much so that he warned the American population about the rising military industrial complex in his farewell speech. Much the same way George Washington did in his farewell letter also.


Ike loved his entitlements as well. Modern day troglodyte Conservatives simply love to deify progressive Republicans from the past.

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Thu May 16, 2013 11:11 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Congressman: Justice Dept. Wiretapped the House of Representative's Cloak Room


Was it wiretapped or just phone records? I've not heard of any actually wire-tapping in the sense of listening and recording. I think they were just pulling phone records.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Fri May 17, 2013 12:14 am

Makes you wonder who gave Harry Reid the information about Romney's tax returns. He seemed absolutely confident at the time, and would not reveal his source. I think we now know who that source was - the IRS.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby Memorex » Fri May 17, 2013 12:44 am

So the AP thing is what it is. I think they have to look at what is appropriate when balancing national security leaks and freedom for all people, not just the press, to communicate.

I think there are three things the president needs to address in full, with a ton of transparency - the kind that has been lacking in government for decades and has only worsened with each administration.

Number one. The IRS. One time when I was a kid I saw a KKK march on the news. And someone had one of those hoods on a 1 year old. And the anger swelled in me like never before. I wanted to kick my TV. I hate these fuckin people. But sans any criminal activity, our government has no right to get into their business. I hate that people stomp on our flag, but this is America and those folks should be treated just as fairly as me and given all the same rights. And the right to stomp on that flag should never be taken away. And if someone choose to stomp on or burn the flag, that is none of the government's business.

The IRS has some of the countries largest powers. They can, on a whim, choose to really mess with someone's life, livelihood, and frankly their sanity. The number of terminations and jail sentences relating to what has been going on should be such that it sends a message to every single person that works for or will work for any government agency. And that message should be agree or disagree, everyone is treated equal.

To target someone's group based on it's political leaning is no different than any other kind of prejudice, be it racial, sexual orientation, or what women do with their bodies. If the IRS cannot be a fair organization, then it's time to get rid of the income tax system and do something that works with a whole lot less bureaucracy.

But why is this such a problem for the president? Because i believe he demonizes from the pulpit and he empowers all liberals to see the other side as evil enemies. He's the Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity of politics. He chastises the supreme court in a highly disrespectful manner over citizens united, which trickles down to IRS management and workers believing that Tea Party groups are fraudulent. All the while using the same freedoms in his own 2012 campaign - to the nines.

I've never seen a president treat the other side with such disdain and disregard. Yes - all parties do it to each other, but I don't ever recall Clinton or Bush talking in the manner that Obama does. He looks so down on others and it's really brought things out in others.

Number two: Benghazi. I would like to see the president and Hilary come out and just apologize for misleading the American people. They did it. Everyone knows it. I say misleading - but they simply lied. If anyone wants to debate that, they are intellectually dishonest. I know politicians lie all the time, but it seems when it's an attack and lives were lost, you just eat the shit and move on.

Someone somewhere brought up that there were 10 or so attacks on various targets during the Bush Administration. But no one is suggesting that we won't be attacked. In all of those 10 attacks, they were over within minutes and no one could do anything. Here, we have a situation where there were opportunities to act. And I don't recall Bush or Clinton ever coming out after an attack and laying the blame on anything other than what it was. I can't think of single time, in my lifetime, where they tried to downplay the seriousness. In fact, it's always been the opposite.

Someone told our military not to help. That person, even if it's the president, should have to prove to our satisfaction why we let those folks die, or they should be gone. If there is a good reason, then fine - let's hear it. Hilary, who you know I have supported, should have been fired and should not seek the presidency. And the President should be admonished or whatever they can do to slap his wrist for lying. Oh, and they should stop lying about it.

Number three. The president owes it to the American citizens to stop partying and vacationing and golfing far more than he is working. If he wants immigration reform and gun control and real job growth, it takes someone getting in there and leading, rolling up their sleeves, working harder than everyone else. Otherwise, you get an auto-pilot process like we have now. I think even his biggest supporters have to wonder about the imbalance of his schedule. For all the liberals angry at Republicans that some things aren't getting passed, they have to be frustrated at the lack of effort from Obama himself. I think I heard even Chris Matthews commented on his absentee style. By the way - my company is run that way and so I know what a leaderless environment looks like.

So that's how I see it folks. Short version. No more lies. Stomp on the flag if you like. Get to work. :)
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby conversationpc » Fri May 17, 2013 1:33 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
slucero wrote:Eisenhower was a great general and POTUS because he realized that the People always must be served first... so much so that he warned the American population about the rising military industrial complex in his farewell speech. Much the same way George Washington did in his farewell letter also.


Ike loved his entitlements as well. Modern day troglodyte Conservatives simply love to deify progressive Republicans from the past.

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:lol:

I love it! You mention one good thing about a Republican President and it must mean that you support everything that President ever did. Kind of like how I believe that Bush was a terrible President but because, at some point in the past, I said something positive about him, there are still folks who just swear up and down that I must be a George Bush apologist. "Well, Bush had a good haircut at one time" now equates to "George Bush is the greatest President ever!" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri May 17, 2013 1:41 am

Holder explains that the phone taps were used to find out where a leak was coming from that endangered the lives of Americans.

If Nixon were alive today, he'd say..... "why the fuck didn't I think of that?"
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri May 17, 2013 3:13 am

Memorex wrote:Makes you wonder who gave Harry Reid the information about Romney's tax returns. He seemed absolutely confident at the time, and would not reveal his source. I think we now know who that source was - the IRS.


Dust Romney's tax return documents for fingerprints, BOzo's, Biden's, Clinton's, etc. are probably all over them. They were all in on it and knew exactly where they were coming from.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term Two Thread

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri May 17, 2013 4:51 am

Yeah, that's pretty interesting. Didn't the IRS just get in hot water for spending tons of money on worker getaway parties or something like that recently?
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