President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[slucero]

Ever wonder why when whites stand up for one another they call it racist?

who is "they"?

[The Sushi Hunter]

Ever wonder why when whites stand up for one another they call it racist?

who is "they"?

Public in general. Well the public in general around me is mostly non-whites, so more specifically non-white groups claim it's racist when whites stand up for one another.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I didn't see the speech but heard about BOzo being heckled during the address. For that little stunt she'll be audited by the IRS and her phone records will be seized and searched, not to mention being put on some type of secret watch list. Way to go!

[slucero]

I wonder if Holder is about to get fired..

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/20 ... -says?lite

By Michael Isikoff
National Investigative Correspondent, NBC News

Attorney General Eric Holder signed off on a controversial search warrant that identified Fox News reporter James Rosen as a “possible co-conspirator” in violations of the Espionage Act and authorized seizure of his private emails, a law enforcement official told NBC News on Thursday.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I wonder if Holder is about to get fired..

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/20 ... -says?lite

By Michael Isikoff
National Investigative Correspondent, NBC News

Attorney General Eric Holder signed off on a controversial search warrant that identified Fox News reporter James Rosen as a “possible co-conspirator” in violations of the Espionage Act and authorized seizure of his private emails, a law enforcement official told NBC News on Thursday.

What surprises me about this the most is they weren't able to permanently cover this up forever.

[slucero]

Doesn't surprise me at all...

Once anything is in electronic form, it can never be hidden..

[steveo777]

I believe Lois and Barry have something incommon. Very short clip and, in this case, less is more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFB7-w2MY8

[tater1977]

Lerners been placed on admin leave ..with pay though..

[The Sushi Hunter]

This clown posse administration became so overconfident in their corruption that they got sloppy, really sloppy. The stuff in the news about all the shit these fuckers did and are doing to try and shore it up is amazing. Speaking of sloppy, it's utterly amazing that sloppy Joe Biden hasn't even been quoted as saying shit in the news. They don't even have pix of that fucker doing anything right now. Got to wonder if some of the shit that's hit the fan has to do with his dumb fucking ass. And that bitch at the IRS, her tits are so far in the fucking wringer. Doesn't look like she'll be pulling them out anytime soon. Such a nice Friday!

[Boomchild]

This clown posse administration became so overconfident in their corruption that they got sloppy, really sloppy. The stuff in the news about all the shit these fuckers did and are doing to try and shore it up is amazing. Speaking of sloppy, it's utterly amazing that sloppy Joe Biden hasn't even been quoted as saying shit in the news. They don't even have pix of that fucker doing anything right now. Got to wonder if some of the shit that's hit the fan has to do with his dumb fucking ass. And that bitch at the IRS, her tits are so far in the fucking wringer. Doesn't look like she'll be pulling them out anytime soon. Such a nice Friday!

Something tells me they don't want Biden showing his face right now for fear he will say something stupid and make the situation even worse. Maybe he's just tied up teaching his wife how to shoot a shotgun in the air from their balcony.

[Boomchild]

Doesn't surprise me at all...

Once anything is in electronic form, it can never be hidden..

Looks like it's time for the cone of silence.

[steveo777]

The top is going to blow off everything next week and many, many people are gonna have to eat their words, including my pack of liberals in my own family.

[Boomchild]

The top is going to blow off everything next week and many, many people are gonna have to eat their words, including my pack of liberals in my own family.

And what event is going to cause this to happen?

[artist4perry]

The top is going to blow off everything next week and many, many people are gonna have to eat their words, including my pack of liberals in my own family.

What do you feed a pack of liberals?

[Seven Wishes]

Any Democrat who still has Obama's back after this AP fiasco is at best a hypocrite.

Bengazi is just a glorified witch hunt - there's nothing there. For God's sake, Bush told a deliberate lie to validate declaring an illegal war, and I don't recall anyone calling for Reagan's head after 3 attacks left almost 300 Americans dead in Libya.

If the IRS scandal goes all the way to the top, Obama should be impeached, pure and simple.

Just my two cents. There's a lot more to this, obviously...haven't posted in a year or so.

[slucero]

Any Democrat who still has Obama's back after this AP fiasco is at best a hypocrite.

Bengazi is just a glorified witch hunt - there's nothing there. For God's sake, Bush told a deliberate lie to validate declaring an illegal war, and I don't recall anyone calling for Reagan's head after 3 attacks left almost 300 Americans dead in Libya.

If the IRS scandal goes all the way to the top, Obama should be impeached, pure and simple.

Just my two cents. There's a lot more to this, obviously...haven't posted in a year or so.

There's more to Benghaz, apparently some Congressperson has it on record that Obama directly ordered the stand down.. if true.. it'll probably be used in concert with the IRS thing...

[steveo777]

It doesn't matter whether one is a Democrat or Republican, in fact people need to throw away the allegience to party on these issues and see that America has once again been bamboozled into electing yet another bad president. His behavior is ok to change now because he no longer risks his reelection. Time for the true colors to show, which they are.

[Seven Wishes]

There's more to Benghaz, apparently some Congressperson has it on record that Obama directly ordered the stand down.. if true.. it'll probably be used in concert with the IRS thing...

This is a partisan-based piece of speculation with zero evidence. No way to cover up something like this in this day and age.

Doesn't matter anyway. This is not the issue that will bring this Administration down.

[slucero]

There's more to Benghaz, apparently some Congressperson has it on record that Obama directly ordered the stand down.. if true.. it'll probably be used in concert with the IRS thing...

This is a partisan-based piece of speculation with zero evidence. No way to cover up something like this in this day and age.

Doesn't matter anyway. This is not the issue that will bring this Administration down.

uh.. dude re-read my post .. I'm not sure where you got anything "evidential" from my post..

It was speculative, and it will be.. Until an actual piece of EVIDENCE shows up.... you know.. like an email, memo, or a text.. one of those things you can't hide.... " in this day and age."

Which btw, I said 13 posts up, on this page..

[slucero]

It doesn't matter whether one is a Democrat or Republican, in fact people need to throw away the allegience to party on these issues and see that America has once again been bamboozled into electing yet another bad president. His behavior is ok to change now because he no longer risks his reelection. Time for the true colors to show, which they are.

All politicians in Washington are "Corporatists"... have been for decades.. parties are just an illusion..

[steveo777]

It doesn't matter whether one is a Democrat or Republican, in fact people need to throw away the allegience to party on these issues and see that America has once again been bamboozled into electing yet another bad president. His behavior is ok to change now because he no longer risks his reelection. Time for the true colors to show, which they are.

All politicians in Washington are "Corporatists"... have been for decades.. parties are just an illusion..

I suddenly like lefties and righties better, sans all the extremism. Centered is better. That will get people working in unison. The way we're doing it now causes too much in fighting and nothing seems to get accomplished, at least not for common good. There are scandals, crookedness and even just fucking nutty behavior from both sides. There is no team, nothing moving us toward anything of progress, only digging deeper holes and creating greater divides. Obstructionism accomplishes nothing, but nobody can seem to agree on what is important anymore. We can focus on foreign policy, welfare, immigration, jobs, economy, etc. Meanwhile, our infrastructure is becoming dated and deteriorating. We owe way too much money to foreign countries. We have sold out and shipped out far too many jobs abroad. America used to be the great country that built and manufactured everything and our products were world class. How did we let ourselves get this way? Anyone who lives in America needs to be on America's team. Back to "We The People". I'm a firm believer in buying American made products. We need to get back to that. It is not our responsibility to creat jobs outside our great country. It is not our responsibility to fight other country's wars. While I don't advocate becoming an isolated society, I do believe in taking care of our own first! I also believe that the people, no matter where they come from, should savor the privilege of living here and contribute to, to the best of their ability, the values that once made this country so great.

[Boomchild]

Bengazi is just a glorified witch hunt - there's nothing there. For God's sake, Bush told a deliberate lie to validate declaring an illegal war, and I don't recall anyone calling for Reagan's head after 3 attacks left almost 300 Americans dead in Libya.I

What's "there" is this President and his administration left four Americans servicing their country out on a limb to be killed with not a single attempt to try and rescue them. All because of way it would look politically.

[Boomchild]

It doesn't matter whether one is a Democrat or Republican, in fact people need to throw away the allegience to party on these issues and see that America has once again been bamboozled into electing yet another bad president. His behavior is ok to change now because he no longer risks his reelection. Time for the true colors to show, which they are.

All politicians in Washington are "Corporatists"... have been for decades.. parties are just an illusion..

I agree, to me it's a one party system playing two card monte.

[artist4perry]

Any Democrat who still has Obama's back after this AP fiasco is at best a hypocrite.

Bengazi is just a glorified witch hunt - there's nothing there. For God's sake, Bush told a deliberate lie to validate declaring an illegal war, and I don't recall anyone calling for Reagan's head after 3 attacks left almost 300 Americans dead in Libya.

If the IRS scandal goes all the way to the top, Obama should be impeached, pure and simple.

Just my two cents. There's a lot more to this, obviously...haven't posted in a year or so.

I could care less about parties. Both can be corrupt. But if you think Obama cannot do any wrong then your blinded as well. Any official can do wrong. It is best to reserve judgement till all evidences are in. But things are not looking good for him. And I see you said he should be impeached over the IRS then if he knew about it, and that shows your not too biased. I would not however say he had nothing to do with Benghazi...if you think people just happen to walk around with rocket launchers and all the weapons used in the attack on a lark I find that hard to believe. I also find it hard to believe with all the pleas for help long before the attack that no one could do anything to have prevented those deaths. With 4 dead Americans I think we owe it to their families to find out what went down. Not to just get at Obama, but to give them some closure. Regardless if you think it is a witch hunt or not...they deserve to get the whole truth and nothing but the truth. If he is cleared then how can it hurt him? What ever happened to all the transparency he promised? I just wish he would try to keep to that part of his promises. He has been one of the most secretive Presidents of our time... he also strikes me as a bit paranoid.

[slucero]

It doesn't matter whether one is a Democrat or Republican, in fact people need to throw away the allegience to party on these issues and see that America has once again been bamboozled into electing yet another bad president. His behavior is ok to change now because he no longer risks his reelection. Time for the true colors to show, which they are.

All politicians in Washington are "Corporatists"... have been for decades.. parties are just an illusion..

I suddenly like lefties and righties better, sans all the extremism. Centered is better. That will get people working in unison. The way we're doing it now causes too much in fighting and nothing seems to get accomplished, at least not for common good. There are scandals, crookedness and even just fucking nutty behavior from both sides. There is no team, nothing moving us toward anything of progress, only digging deeper holes and creating greater divides. Obstructionism accomplishes nothing, but nobody can seem to agree on what is important anymore. We can focus on foreign policy, welfare, immigration, jobs, economy, etc. Meanwhile, our infrastructure is becoming dated and deteriorating. We owe way too much money to foreign countries. We have sold out and shipped out far too many jobs abroad. America used to be the great country that built and manufactured everything and our products were world class. How did we let ourselves get this way? Anyone who lives in America needs to be on America's team. Back to "We The People". I'm a firm believer in buying American made products. We need to get back to that. It is not our responsibility to creat jobs outside our great country. It is not our responsibility to fight other country's wars. While I don't advocate becoming an isolated society, I do believe in taking care of our own first! I also believe that the people, no matter where they come from, should savor the privilege of living here and contribute to, to the best of their ability, the values that once made this country so great.

None of what you have said matters to them.. Centered or Extremist.. they still do not serve The People.. because, Centered or Extremist, they are beholden to business...

Your 1st and only clue should be whom any legislation really serves..

To have a functioning, desirable economy you need a middle class. But new monetary policy will not save the middle class that has been destroyed by decades of funneling money to the top and trading productive economic activity for financialization. THAT has destroyed the middle class. The monetary policy that restores honesty to the economy, that idiots clamor for is never going to appear.. because it was never meant to help the middle class in the 1st place! It was always meant to serve business.

The only way to change this stranglehold/quagmire that is Washington is to remove the law that give business the same rights as the individual, that's called "corporate personhood".. the elimination of which, would effectively put corporations where they belong, BEHIND the citizen, and render corporate lobby illegal. Yes.. corporations legally enjoy the same rights as individual citizens.. even though the Constitution only spoke to individual rights....

That will never happen.. and because it won't, corporatism will reign, and there will never be any "for the People" reform in the parties.. just illusion for folks (like you) to argue about & choose sides over, ad infinitum, which is EXACTLY what they want.

[Boomchild]

The only way to change this stranglehold/quagmire that is Washington is to remove the law that give business the same rights as the individual, that's called "corporate personhood".. the elimination of which, would effectively put corporations where they belong, BEHIND the citizen, and render corporate lobby illegal. Yes.. corporations legally enjoy the same rights as individual citizens.. even though the Constitution only spoke to individual rights....

I agree that corporations should not be able to lobby like they can. But as you said that will never happen. Also, I think there needs to be term limits set for Congressmen and Senators just like there are term limits for the Presidency.

[Memorex]

The only way to change this stranglehold/quagmire that is Washington is to remove the law that give business the same rights as the individual, that's called "corporate personhood".. the elimination of which, would effectively put corporations where they belong, BEHIND the citizen, and render corporate lobby illegal. Yes.. corporations legally enjoy the same rights as individual citizens.. even though the Constitution only spoke to individual rights....

I agree that corporations should not be able to lobby like they can. But as you said that will never happen. Also, I think there needs to be term limits set for Congressmen and Senators just like there are term limits for the Presidency.

I do think things need to be fixed, but most of congress' laws affect business anyway. So if the voice of business is taken away or minimized, what protections do they have?

Unfortunately, America is business. We work more than most. We consume more than most. And we really tout that American Dream of building your own business. There are so many laws and regulations already that strangle business. I can't imagine what it would be if they were not allowed to participate. Could you imagine if the FCC or EPA or any of these government organizations could do all the things they want to business? Remember, most people in government wrongly believe that business is inherently evil. And if you have an entity like that making the laws that control business, well, someone has to be able to fight back.

Besides that, if anyone goes to the voting booth and votes based only on what businesses told them to vote on, then they shouldn't be voting anyway.

[slucero]

The only way to change this stranglehold/quagmire that is Washington is to remove the law that give business the same rights as the individual, that's called "corporate personhood".. the elimination of which, would effectively put corporations where they belong, BEHIND the citizen, and render corporate lobby illegal. Yes.. corporations legally enjoy the same rights as individual citizens.. even though the Constitution only spoke to individual rights....

I agree that corporations should not be able to lobby like they can. But as you said that will never happen. Also, I think there needs to be term limits set for Congressmen and Senators just like there are term limits for the Presidency.

I do think things need to be fixed, but most of congress' laws affect business anyway. So if the voice of business is taken away or minimized, what protections do they have?

Unfortunately, America is business. We work more than most. We consume more than most. And we really tout that American Dream of building your own business. There are so many laws and regulations already that strangle business. I can't imagine what it would be if they were not allowed to participate. Could you imagine if the FCC or EPA or any of these government organizations could do all the things they want to business? Remember, most people in government wrongly believe that business is inherently evil. And if you have an entity like that making the laws that control business, well, someone has to be able to fight back.

Besides that, if anyone goes to the voting booth and votes based only on what businesses told them to vote on, then they shouldn't be voting anyway.

What you may be failing to realize (or not) is that the Constitution only recognized the People as "sovereign".. and as such the rights of the People were (and still are) the only sovereign rights the Constitution was designed to protect. It was only later interpretations of the Constitution that expanded those rights to corporations. Doing so made corporations "living entities" in the eyes of the law, and as such they also are afforded all the same rights as individuals.. including the right to lobby, and fund campaigns. Corporations by their very physical nature, are much more capable of affecting change because they have huge sums of money at their disposal... and the promise of huge future sums of money at their disposal.. something that few individuals have ever had. This is how Washington is run. Campaign money from corporations.

The economic path we are on is mathematically unsustainable. It is being driven by economic policy (lack of) that is, at its core, borne of the banks successfully lobbying (to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars) Washington into dismantling good regulation in the 1990's. Anybody with a basic understanding of economics can see that all monetary assistance the Federal Reserve has rendered has been only beneficial to Wall Street.. that's because it was only intended to benefit Wall Street. Not Main Street. Look at the Feds balance sheet.. $800 Billion in 2008---> $3.356 trillion on May 22, 2013. Even with the largest expansion of the money supply in the history of our country, all commonly used indicators of economic growth on Main Street are feeble at best. This is because Washington, via policy or lack of, is not "serving the People", they are serving the corporations. All that Fed money is why the stock market is nominally (numerically) so high, yet earnings and margins are so soft. It's simply the abundance of "money" that is causing the rise in stock prices, akin to "a rising tide, floats all boats", except in this case the boats are only Wall Street corporations. Main Street is left out, on dry land.

In short, Mainstreet got a $300 tax rebate as a bailout. Wall Street has gotten well over $4 Trillion Dollars (TARP, Fed assistance), so far.. and that number will only continue.. QE to infinity and beyond anyone?

Why?

Wall Street gets heard (and helped) in Washington.

Main Street does not.

Anyone who "believes" that the culture of Washington has any real interest in what is best for Joe American need only reflect on the continuous loss of individual rights over the last 20 years, provided to us by our "elected representatives" from BOTH parties in the WH and Congress.. and if you still believe D.C. "has your back".....

WOW.

[tater1977]

So now connect the dots from the Feds raiding Gibson guitar 2 years ago, specifically their CEO...to the IRS ....
Could get interesting....

[slucero]

So now connect the dots from the Feds raiding Gibson guitar 2 years ago, specifically their CEO...to the IRS ....
Could get interesting....

you should just post the article...

Does that Gibson Guitar raid make more sense now? (Think IRS)
Hot Air ^ | May 26 | Jazz Shaw
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3024023/posts
Posted on Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:09:13 AM by Hojczyk

An editorial at Investors Business Daily may wind up being filed under how did I miss this one? Following the recent revelations of cases where the administration appears to have used the muscle of the federal government to go after its political enemies, IBD takes a walk down memory lane to the strange case of Gibson Guitars and the federal raids on their facilities for alleged illegal importing of exotic woods used in their products. They reach one provocative conclusion.

The inexplicable raid nearly two years ago on a guitar maker for using allegedly illegal wood that its competitors also used was another targeting by this administration of its political enemies…

Interestingly, one of Gibson’s leading competitors is C.F. Martin & Co. According to C.F. Martin’s catalog, several of their guitars contain “East Indian Rosewood,” which is the exact same wood in at least 10 of Gibson’s guitars. So why were they not also raided and their inventory of foreign wood seized? Well, let’s see… maybe C.F. Martin was getting their supplies from a properly regulated source? No. Did they fill out some forms that Gibson forgot to submit? No… so what could it be?

Grossly underreported at the time was the fact that Gibson’s chief executive, Henry Juszkiewicz, contributed to Republican politicians. Recent donations have included $2,000 to Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., and $1,500 to Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.

By contrast, Chris Martin IV, the Martin & Co. CEO, is a long-time Democratic supporter, with $35,400 in contributions to Democratic candidates and the Democratic National Committee over the past couple of election cycles.

“We feel that Gibson was inappropriately targeted,” Juszkiewicz said at the time, adding the matter “could have been addressed with a simple contact (from) a caring human being representing the government. Instead, the government used violent and hostile means.” The end of that story was a travesty, with Gibson being forced to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in a settlement where there was no finding of criminal action just so they could get back to business. At the time of the judgement, our own Mary Katharine Ham covered the story and found a lot wrong with it, but even she didn’t seem to suspect this situation. And in retrospect, it doesn’t seem all that surprising.

While all this was going on, there was plenty of reason to suspect that there was politics of some sort involved. With Democrats in control of the White House and the Senate, it didn’t seem much of a stretch to think that the eco-warriors were in full throated, chest thumping mode and they would be pushing the limits to show how much they were doing to save the planet. The Gibson story, with its hook of endangered forests and evil manufacturing giants stripping the land, was a perfect fit. But I don’t think many of us imagined that even the Obama administration would be so blatant as to simply launch a police state style attack on a company which supported their enemies while leaving friendly, Democrat donating competitors alone. Or at least I didn’t.

Is this paranoid, tinfoil hat territory? I assure you that Obama supporters reading this will declare it to be exactly that. But given what we’ve been finding in the news recently, is it really that far fetched? Not any more.