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The Sushi Hunter wrote:Interesting because there is a group out there who believe the US Government was the one behind 9-11. But the Pentagon was also hit. If this was an inside job by the US Government, why is it that the Pentagon was also hit? Most of the talk about it being an inside job revolves around the twin towers being hit only. Some people are so damn stupid it's pathetic.
The Sushi Hunter wrote:This is what to expect from an individual who had been voted into office only because of his color. That's also the same reason he was given the Nobel Peace Prize right after being elected. Welcome to the wonderful world of the new democrat.
Fact Finder wrote:
trekman wrote:Hasnt Al-Qaeda been categorized as a terrorist organization since 9/11? They arent prejudiced, they kill anyone that keeps them from their objective/mission. Americans (civilian & military) Europeans, and certainly anyone in the Middle East that isnt on their side. So anyone that helps them, anyone that supports, aids and abets them would be considered a sympathizer? Could you even call them a traitor? I do.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html
slucero wrote:that people died, does not negate the possibility of conspiracy...
..it would be even more stupid to believe those two things are mutually exclusive..
US Caught in Sarin Terror Plot
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/13 ... rror-plot/
By Gordon Duff and Press TV
Intelligence sources in Georgia, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and here in the US have largely debunked the position Secretary of State Kerry insists upon supporting against Syria even though he and the president admit they have no actionable intelligence whatsoever.
A week ago, a US Air Force cargo plane left Charleston Air Force Base, home of Colonel Lindsey Graham, also “Senator” Lindsey Graham, one of the most powerful advocates for war against Syria (and Russia).
It landed in Tbilisi Airport, in the Republic of Georgia. There, it was loaded with what local sources indicate to be “ammunition from the Lugar Lab.”
Every aspect of this operation was observed, from South Carolina to Tbilisi.
On Monday, September 9, 2012, Richard Norland, the US Ambassador to Georgia and reputed former Moscow station chief for the CIA during the last days of the Soviet Union, visited the “Lugar” lab.
After reports on Russian television and in the Georgian press of “irregularities” including leaked emails tying the lab to chemical weapons used by Syrian rebels, Norland took a delegation of diplomats and dignitaries on a tour of the very recently “sanitized” facility.
Norland had left the embassy in Moscow and was Washington’s top “Soviet watcher” when one of the largest intelligence failures in history occurred, the August 1991 attempted coup against Gorbachev.
Our sources on this story carry US security clearances and are part of an unrelated mission in Georgia. Other sources in Georgia have been threatened, some have gone underground.
Bio-chem weapons network
The Lugar Lab, built by the United States, is a bio-chemical warfare research facility, funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency. The facility, previously called the “Central Reference Laboratory,” is similar to one constructed in Kazakhstan last year.
Funding and details on both facilities “went dark” quickly as overruns and participation by clandestine agencies were quite unrelated to any “threat reduction” role.
The management of the US-funded facility was turned over to Georgia’s version of the CIA, the Foreign Intelligence Special Service, whose head, Anna Zhvania along with Richard Norland managed the “facility sanitation” tour on Monday.
Official records show Zhvania as resigning as Georgia’s intelligence chief before taking over a “research lab.” Similarly, Norland’s cover as a diplomat has saved him from the ignominy of being cited as top policy maker for, quite perhaps, the most incompetent and corrupt intelligence agency in the world.
More challenges to Kerry’s version
Reports, with limited confirmation, detail how Al Nusra/Al Qaeda forces inside Syria had kidnapped children from occupied regions to use as “victims” of a staged false-flag attack meant to bring the US into the Syrian conflict.
Children were said to have been smothered and laid out to be photographed and filmed with video cameras. The scene was said to resemble the “Crisis Actor” operations the US Department of Homeland Security has staged, simulating terror attacks for training purposes.
By coincidence, these theatrical contracting firms have been on the scene of several real disasters, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Sandy Hook shootings and most infamously, the 7/7 London bomb attacks.
If these allegations are true, particularly this being the 12th anniversary of 9/11, an event no longer questioned by any rational individual as itself being a carefully orchestrated false-flag attack, the idea of murdering children for “political expedience” is totally plausible.
Competing intelligence operations?
There is mounting evidence that Syrian rebels were responsible for the August 2013 attacks:A far better case can be made to support Russia’s position than that of the Obama White House.
- hacked emails citing US contracting firms in the planning and execution
- investigative journalists in Georgia
- Press TV reports from Turkey detailing WMD transit into Syria
- Turkey’s seizure of Sarin shipments to Al Nusra
- Statements made to FBI by Eric Haroon which led to his arrest, silence and press smears
- the arrest of a Turkish general in Aleppo two days ago
- videos of rebels using Sarin gas
- videos of rebel leaders admitting to the use of chemical weapons
- along with witness testimony and physical evidence submitted by Russia
- Iran’s warnings to the US from March, outlining Sarin smuggling into Syria
Lying to Congress
In testimony before the House of Representatives yesterday, General Dempsey cited US policy as supporting “moderate forces” fighting the Assad government. However, his statement was made only moments after Secretary of State Kerry had told representatives that the US planned to “degrade” the fighting ability of the Syrian army.
The “elephant in the room” is the obvious fact that jihadist forces aligned with Al Qaeda would benefit most from US military support and that these same forces are currently trying to overthrow the US-supported government in Iraq.
Odd betrayal of Israel
There is another “elephant in the room.” Russian President Vladimir Putin indicated, should the US attack Syria, that Russia would supply the most advanced air defense systems in the world, not just to Syria but Iran as well.
We have been informed that a private understanding exists between Russia and Iran that would, should Iran be forced to respond to military threats, extend a Russian air defense “umbrella” over Iran.
Though Iran has not threatened to attack Israel, as wrongly reported widely in the press, their ability to do so without fear utterly changes the balance of power in the region.
Samson option
Israel has always held the Samson option, their ability to unleash nuclear war against Iran, even against the European Union or United States, as a keystone of their defense policy.
Israel’s air defense network, known as the Iron Dome, has proven to under-perform and requires AEGIS based US naval support to be credible.
Russian air defense systems are capable of defeating any possible Israeli nuclear threat and, in the process, leave Israel open to devastating conventional attack.
Israel, given AIPAC’s “warmongering,” has been seen by many as orchestrating, not just the “civil war” in Syria, but the false-flag gas attacks as well.
Some pundits excuse Israel entirely, blaming Saudi Arabia. However, as Saudi Arabia has no operational intelligence or clandestine capabilities in Turkey, Georgia or Iraq, this hypothesis not only fails but rings of “seeded” false intelligence.
Yet, considering Israel’s precarious position, something new for the masters of “game theory warfare,” someone has come to the “great chessboard” and clearly outclassed them.
Haroon
In March of this year, US Army veteran Eric Haroon was arrested after posting videos showing him fighting inside Syria.
He has been charged with the bizarre crime of “using Weapons of Mass Destruction.”
Many see the irony of arresting Haroon for following official US policy and using weapons identical to those the US supplies.
Moreover, few doubt that US Special Forces are not operating inside Syria.
What most think they know about Haroon is a lie. He has been attacked in the press, both “left” and “right” and charged with a bizarre crime to silence his real story.
Haroon came to the FBI in February, reporting that, while working as a CIA asset, he had been deceived into supplying Al Qaeda with sophisticated weapons.
Those weapons could be used in Iraq and probably are, but could also be used in terror attacks against any US facility. They may well have included air to ground missiles capable of downing US airliners.
The FBI arrested Haroon for admitting to using an RPG in Syria, though a CIA employee, in order to be able to block any possible testimony tying the US to Al Qaeda and to forces involved in terrorism inside Iraq. This is a classic legal ploy for silencing whistle-blowers.
Haroon was led to betray his country by the CIA or US contractors operating in Hatay Province, Turkey, and by the FBI, tasked with silencing him.
Elephant in the room
If the US is arming Al Qaeda in Syria, when did that relationship begin? Was bin Laden right, when in his last proven recorded interview in 2001 he said that those responsible for the 9/11 attacks were Americans?
All subsequent bin Laden statements have been debunked by the CIA though this fact was quickly suppressed by the media.
As we now have at least 200 members of Congress who are now openly considering White House complicity in false-flag terrorism using WMD’s in Syria, why is the consideration of an identical policy in 2001 continually termed “conspiracy theory?”
Intelligence containment failure
As of today, the “war on terror” is 12 years old. No rational member of the intelligence community has failed to consider and even accept the entire debacle as a neocon-driven plot to descend the world into anarchy and push a police state agenda to enable the world’s resources to be looted.
US military might, exactly as General Smedley Butler had warned us 80 years ago, has predictably operated as “enforcers” for global organized crime.
I cannot begin to express my personal disappointment that President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry, individuals I have supported, including financially, have proven themselves either unwilling or unable to protect and defend American freedoms.
Moreover, that I am joined in my opposition to US military involvement in Syria by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, notorious cheerleaders of the New World Order, I am also both cognizant and deeply challenged by the revelation that we have yet to plumb the depths of what may well be layers of conspiracy.
The Sushi Hunter wrote:I'm happy with my guys, they're trying to stop OBozocare, trying to stop legalizing drugs, trying to stop immigrants from flooding into this country, trying to cut government assist and force fat worthless assholes to go out and get a job so they can actually earning a living instead of freeload, trying to allow American's to own firearms so they can protect themselves, and trying to keep the U.S. Military strong. Yes, I'm a Republican all the way!
Obama To Labor Unions With Multi-Employer Health Plans: Drop Dead
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... r=yahootix
Well played, Mr. President. Last week, prior to the big AFL-CIO convention in Los Angeles, President Obama personally spoke to AFL-CIO chief Richard Trumka, asking him to water down several anti-Obamacare resolutions that union leaders were planning to pass there. Trumka obliged, keeping calls to repeal Obamacare out of the official AFL-CIO resolution on the health law. Then, on Friday evening, after the convention was over, the Obama administration revealed that it would ignore unions’ demands to subsidize their members using Obamacare. As a result, some unions fear that they will wither away. “I guarantee you by your next convention four years from now, you won’t meet a quarter of this room,” said Joseph Nigro, president of the Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Union. “We won’t be here.”
Unions were seeking special treatment under Obamacare
This latest development was first reported by Ezra Klein of the Washington Post. Here’s the issue that was at stake. A number of labor unions participate in multi-employer health plans, also known as Taft-Hartley plans. These plans allow unions to organize, say, all the restaurant workers in a particular county, taking advantage of the economies of scale that come from a larger insurance pool.
The problem is that, thanks to Obamacare’s employer mandate and its subsidized insurance exchanges, businesses with fewer than 50 employees now have an incentive to drop health coverage for their employees and let those workers get coverage on the exchanges. It’s a better deal for those workers, and a better deal for their employers. But it’s a big blow to the labor unions who organize the plans, because workers no longer need unions to negotiate or obtain their health coverage.
As a result, the unions most affected by this problem—like Joseph Nigro’s SMART; or Joseph Hansen’s United Food and Commercial Workers International Union; or D. Taylor’s UNITE-HERE hotel, airport, food service, gaming, and textile union—have been raising a ruckus, demanding that the White House reinterpret the Affordable Care Act so as to ensure that Obamacare’s exchange subsidies, which were intended for the uninsured, would also be available to their members.
Otherwise, labor leaders wrote, Obamacare would “shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.” According to the National Coordination Committee for Multiemployer Plans, approximately 26 million workers are covered by multi-employer or Taft-Hartley plans today.
The text of the ACA is clear: No additional subsidies for the already-insured
Unfortunately, for the unions, there’s a problem. The statutory language of the Affordable Care Act is clear. The only people eligible for subsidies in Obamacare’s insurance exchanges are people who don’t already have coverage. As Alastair Fitzpayne, Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs for the Treasury Department, puts it in a letter to Sen. Orrin Hatch (R., Utah) and Rep. Dave Camp (R., Mich.), “An individual cannot benefit” from both the tax break for employer-sponsored coverage and the exchange subsidies if “the individual is covered by a single-employer plan or a multi-employer plan.”
Fitzpayne isn’t the only one with this opinion. The non-partisan Congressional Research Service, Congress’ in-house think-tank, published a report concluding that “multiemployer health plans are considered generally to be employee benefit plans subject to regulation under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act…it seems unlikely that an individual who is enrolled in a multiemployer health plan would be eligible for a premium tax credit.”
That’s why unions are frustrated. They warned of “political repercussions” if the Obama administration didn’t circumvent the law on their behalf. Obama kept them at bay by assuring labor leaders that he was working on the problem. Unions told Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi that “we have a problem [and] you need to fix it.”
But with Republicans in firm control of the House of Representatives, Democrats have no ability to unilaterally rewrite Obamacare in order to please labor leaders. On Wednesday, Terence O’Sullivan, president of the Laborers’ International Union of North America, said, “If the Affordable Care Act is not fixed, and it destroys the health and welfare funds that we have fought for and stand for, then I believe it needs to be repealed.”
A century ago, labor unions opposed government health insurance
It’s for these reasons that labor unions historically opposed government-sponsored health insurance. Unions have long known that a major reason that people join unions—and thereby a major source of their income and power—comes from their role as the middleman who negotiates health benefit plans with employers. If the government offered health insurance directly to workers, workers would have much less need to unionize.
Over time, however, unions came to see government-sponsored health coverage as a way to expand the coalition of progressive voters who supported a more expansive government generally. And so unions got on board with Obamacare, and fought hard for its passage and for Obama’s re-election.
The great irony—one that union leaders are only now starting to recognize—is that by doing so, they’ve accelerated their own demise, at least in the private sector. Today, less than 7 percent of American private-sector workers are unionized. That number will continue to decline as workers realize they don’t need unions for their health benefits. The labor movement will increasingly become comprised of public-sector unions, giving it a far different character than it has today.
Most importantly, workers will benefit from this change. Instead of paying a big chunk of their wages to labor unions and insurance companies, they’ll be able to keep those wages for themselves. They’ll benefit from working for companies that have more flexibility to grow and evolve over time, because they’re not tied down by labor union contracts. And they’ll benefit from being able to better choose the insurance plan that is right for them and their families. Sorry, Richard Trumka.
steveo777 wrote:http://shoebat.com/2013/09/13/obama-longer-democrat/
Boomchild wrote:steveo777 wrote:http://shoebat.com/2013/09/13/obama-longer-democrat/
I never thought B.O. was a democrat from the beginning. All you have to do is look at who he was hanging around with prior to entering politics.
Fact Finder wrote:Where'd 7 Wishes go....A leaked copy of the world’s most authoritative climate study reveals scientific forecasts of imminent doom were drastically wrong.
The Mail on Sunday has obtained the final draft of a report to be published later this month by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the ultimate watchdog whose massive, six-yearly ‘assessments’ are accepted by environmentalists, politicians and experts as the gospel of climate science.
They are cited worldwide to justify swingeing fossil fuel taxes and subsidies for ‘renewable’ energy.
Yet the leaked report makes the extraordinary concession that the world has been warming at only just over half the rate claimed by the IPCC in its last assessment, published in 2007.
Back then, it said that the planet was warming at a rate of 0.2C every decade – a figure it claimed was in line with the forecasts made by computer climate models.
But the new report says the true figure since 1951 has been only 0.12C per decade – a rate far below even the lowest computer prediction.
...
They recognise the global warming ‘pause’ first reported by The Mail on Sunday last year is real – and concede that their computer models did not predict it. But they cannot explain why world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase since 1997.
They admit large parts of the world were as warm as they are now for decades at a time between 950 and 1250 AD – centuries before the Industrial Revolution, and when the population and CO2 levels were both much lower.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... wrong.html
steveo777 wrote:Well, he sure fooled the others,(voters) didn't he?
Does any informed person still not believe Obama is a Muslim? Snoop around his cabinet, his czars and look into some of their ties, as well as his support of the Muslim Brotherhood. The truth isn't that hard to figure out......if one cares to find it.
Memorex wrote:
And maybe Al Gore could go do some good work for charity and make his post-public life meaningful.
Boomchild wrote:B.O. has paved the way to arm the Syrian rebels. Nothing like arming radicals that we are not sure if they are really friend or foe to the U.S.. Like most of his foreign policy decisions, I bet this one will end up biting us in the ass.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-wai ... le/2535885
steveo777 wrote:Boomchild wrote:B.O. has paved the way to arm the Syrian rebels. Nothing like arming radicals that we are not sure if they are really friend or foe to the U.S.. Like most of his foreign policy decisions, I bet this one will end up biting us in the ass.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-wai ... le/2535885
In what interest is it of ours to arm Syria's rebels? Shouldn't Russia, their ally, be doing that for them? This looks like yet more waste of our resources to me.
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