OFFICIAL 2010-2011 NFL season & predictions thread:

[Enigma869]

Great win for the Steelers. They were completely outplayed by Baltimore the entire game. It's amazing to me that the score was so close (because of Baltimore's inept offense). It felt like Baltimore was up by three TD's for most of that game. The Steelers saved their season with that win, but I still think they're a non-factor in the playoffs, even if they get a bye. That team has more holes than a fucking donut shop and it will be magnified in the playoffs.

[RossValoryRocks]

Great win for the Steelers. They were completely outplayed by Baltimore the entire game. It's amazing to me that the score was so close (because of Baltimore's inept offense). It felt like Baltimore was up by three TD's for most of that game. The Steelers saved their season with that win, but I still think they're a non-factor in the playoffs, even if they get a bye. That team has more holes than a fucking donut shop and it will be magnified in the playoffs.

All the prognosticators said the same thing in 2005, when the Steelers went on the road, won all three games and the Super Bowl. Not that you aren't right about those holes...just saying there is a reason they play the game...ya know?

[Red13JoePa]

NY 31- Wash 7 LOL. Mc7points, the dude is allergic to the endzone!

[Rockindeano]

NY 31- Wash 7 LOL. Mc7points, the dude is allergic to the endzone!

Forget this and forget the NFL...Dude, you, JoePa and Penn State get Scarabgator and Florida in the Outback Bowl. You should be calling him out already.

[Red13JoePa]

NY 31- Wash 7 LOL. Mc7points, the dude is allergic to the endzone!

Forget this and forget the NFL...Dude, you, JoePa and Penn State get Scarabgator and Florida in the Outback Bowl. You should be calling him out already.

I can't it's really the toilet bowl, both teams got to NYD on name and rep.
Love it, though!!!

[Rick]

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Legendary Cowboys, SMU quarterback Don Meredith dies

09:36 AM CST on Monday, December 6, 2010

By BRAD TOWNSEND/The Dallas Morning News
btownsend@dallasnews.com

Don Meredith, the Dallas Cowboys and SMU quarterback and Monday Night Football icon, died Sunday evening in Santa Fe, N.M. He was 72.

Meredith died at Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, a hospital spokesman confirmed this morning. The Meredith family's attorney, Lisa Fine Moses, said his wife, Susan, and daughter Mary were at his side.

Meredith had battled emphysema in recent years and suffered a minor stroke in 2004.

He was the only living Cowboys Ring of Honor member unable to attend the franchise's September 2009 inaugural game at Cowboys Stadium.

Meredith was the original Dallas Cowboy, signing a personal services contract on Nov. 28, 1959, two months before the franchise officially gained admittance into the NFL.

Hailing from Mount Vernon in East Texas, the quarterback nicknamed "Dandy Don" had the unique distinction of playing all of his home high school, college and professional football games within 100 miles of Dallas.

"I'm very thankful," said Meredith, when a reporter from The News visited him in Santa Fe last October for a profile commemorating the 50th anniversary of his signing with the Cowboys. "I'm very thankful about where I'm from and who I am."

He had given few interviews since leaving the Monday Night Football booth in 1984, preferring to remain largely out of the public eye while residing in Santa Fe with Susan, to whom he was married for 38 years.

Meredith was a two-time All-American at SMU and played for the Cowboys from 1960 to 1968. He led the Cowboys to the 1966 and 1967 NFL title games, both defeats to the Green Bay Packers, but he abruptly retired from pro football at age 31.

Already famous in his native Texas, he quickly became a national celebrity through his work on Monday Night Football, starting in 1970. Millions tuned in each week to hear Meredith's quick wit, homespun stories and needling of intellectual booth-mate Howard Cosell.

And, famously, Meredith would croon "The Party's Over" to viewers when he determined that the game was out of reach.

Of his Cowboys career, Meredith once mused, "I don't know how badly I'd feel if I wasn't remembered at all."

Despite being the first quarterback to lead the Cowboys to a winning season, then the two NFL title game appearances, Meredith was often booed by fans who blamed him for not taking the franchise to the top.

"He took too much of the blame, and I think the press blamed him way too much," teammate Lee Roy Jordan said. "I'm disappointed that we – the coaching staff and all of us other players – didn't take a more responsible role in taking on some of that negative press."

Longtime Cowboys president and general manager Tex Schramm once said of Meredith: "He had a wonderful sense of humor and a very laid-back personality. But he was an absolutely intense competitor who could rally a team. He was very charismatic, maybe the most charismatic player we had."

Despite the championship losses to the Green Bay Packers of Vince Lombardi and the awful performance against the New York Giants that deprived him of the passing championship, Meredith is the football player turned folk hero. He was the country kid who left tiny Mount Vernon in East Texas for college stardom at SMU and a celebrated NFL career with the Cowboys, one commemorated with his induction into the team's Ring of Honor in 1976.

He was born and raised in Mount Vernon but moved to a spacious adobe house in Santa Fe in 1982.

"My home is in Santa Fe, but I'm gonna always be from Mount Vernon," he said. "I like that a lot."

Meredith played impressively in his important role in Cowboys history while setting records for a team and a town that much preferred championship rings. While Meredith never delivered the Cowboys to the Super Bowl, he performed for them at an incredibly high level as they inched their way from wretched ineptitude toward the championships of the future, enduring immense pressure and incredible punishment in the process. He probably suffered more cruelty and injuries than any other Cowboys player because of a lack of support.

But Meredith was also maybe the most charismatic quarterback the franchise has known, a man who occasionally broke into song while huddling on the field with his teammates.

His profile increased after he threw his last pass. Meredith teamed with timid Frank Gifford and acerbic Cosell as announcers for ABC's Monday Night Football and later was featured in television commercials for Lipton Tea.

Meredith was acclaimed as a broadcaster less for his insight than for his homespun sense of humor and penchant for country music, which prompted his immensely popular rendition of, "Turn out the lights, the party's over ..." whenever the outcome had been determined. He once headlined a country music show with Roger Miller and Willie Nelson.

But Meredith was the first legitimate quarterback the Cowboys had, a player of such importance that owner Clint Murchison signed him and halfback Don Perkins to personal services contracts before being awarded the NFL expansion team.

The situation was almost perfect for Meredith, who once stood with his father outside the Cotton Bowl as they visited the State Fair of Texas. Meredith remembered that as a prophetic occasion.

"I looked up at that big old thing," he said, "and just knew I was gonna play ball there someday."

That, in fact, happened many times. Meredith probably made more appearances there as a player through his 12 seasons than any other athlete. The Cowboys played their home games at the facility throughout Meredith's nine seasons. The team announced plans to relocate to the Texas Stadium site Meredith found so contemptible a few months before his abrupt and shocking retirement from professional football in 1968.

He was 31, in the prime of his career. His decision was announced during a news conference in which Meredith, who had finished second in passing in the NFL, simply explained he had lost the desire to compete.

Roger Staubach was released from the Navy the same day.

"He never reached his full potential because he was only 31 when he quit and that's when the team was becoming the great power," Schramm said. "It would have been very interesting competition between him and Roger Staubach."

While Meredith performed the difficult task of providing the Cowboys credibility, he never delivered the championships like Staubach. Meredith holds the record for the longest touchdown pass in Cowboys history, a 95-yarder to Bob Hayes against the Washington Redskins.

However, Meredith was also reknowned for his misdirected passes as well as two losses in NFL Championship Games to the Green Bay Packers. Meredith threw a key interception that prevented the Cowboys from tying the Packers and perhaps forcing overtime as they suffered a 34-27 loss in the 1966 NFL Championship Game that kept the team from Super Bowl I. Their opponents there would have been the Kansas City Chiefs , the former Dallas Texans of Lamar Hunt, who drafted Meredith but never offered a contract.

The Packers similarly prevailed over the Cowboys the next year, winning their Ice Bowl matchup, 21-17, as Bart Starr scored on a quarterback sneak in 13-below-zero temperatures at the 1967 NFL Championship Game.

If not for those defeats, Meredith possibly could have been the premier quarterback of his time, a reputation Starr, Johnny Unitas , Sonny Jurgenson and Joe Namath commanded. As it was, Meredith's inability to win a championship prompted vocal criticism of him sometimes during home games.

"Don brought a lot of that on himself," Landry once said.

The relationship between Meredith and Landry was odd. Landry found Meredith's glib attitude the source of annoyance. Meredith could never understand his coach's stoicism and serious nature. Meredith stubbornly resisted Landry's attempts to control and influence him. But Landry maintained a devout respect for Meredith and desperately wanted him to succeed.

"Don and I were never real close," Landry said. "Not that I (didn't) like Don; I liked him fine. But you'd have to say we were really on different wave lengths. In defense of Don, he came up with some very poor teams. Gosh, they were awful. He took some tremendous punishment. I never had a player take more punishment or show more courage than Don.

"But Don just didn't have the dedication to be the best quarterback in the business. He was very, very talented, maybe the most talented quarterback I've ever coached. Therefore, he could get by ... without tremendous dedication. He didn't have to do what he had to do to become great. And he could have been great."

Said Schramm: "He could be a practical joker. He could do just about anything in that huddle or on the practice field, and that drove the head coach crazy. But put him in a uniform, and he played like hell."

Once, Meredith threw a fourth-down touchdown pass to Dan Reeves against the Redskins, the score occuring one play after Washington linebacker Chris Hanburger delivered a thunderous direct shot that rendered Meredith semi-conscious.

When that was mentioned to Landry in the locker room afterward, the coach pretended to be unaware Meredith was unsteady.

"He kind of acts like that all the time," Landry said.

Meredith found the standards of acceptable performance set so impossibly high he sometimes misinterpreted the tenor of an interview with a reporter who approached after he had completed 12 of 14 passes.

Asked if he realized he had done so, Meredith shrugged almost apologetically. "Well," he said, "No one is perfect."

Meredith led the Cowboys past the Minnesota Vikings , 17-13, in the 1968 Playoff Bowl and won the most valuable player award without receiving a single vote from members of the Dallas-Fort Worth media in attendance.

Meredith once theorized he had simply played too long in Dallas to be appreciated. As a high school junior, Meredith, 16, scored a record 50 points in the Dr Pepper high school basketball tournament in Dallas.

His career with the Cowboys came after Meredith had been a two-time All-America quarterback at SMU. He chose the Mustangs after narrowly opting to turn down Bear Bryant's scholarship offer to attend Texas A&M.

"I told him I wanted to throw the ball, and he said, 'Son, if you can throw well enough to win games for us, we'll throw the ball all you please.' If he had been coaching anywhere but Texas A&M, I'd have gone with him."

Meredith chose SMU, where he began his career as an outside linebacker because the school had seven quarterbacks on its roster. But Meredith became the starter his sophomore season against Texas, threw two touchdown passes and ran for another score as the Mustangs prevailed. Meredith led the nation in passing that season as the key component in a rather undisciplined offensive system reliant on his abilities as a playmaker.

[DrFU]

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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... c4895.html

Legendary Cowboys, SMU quarterback Don Meredith dies


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Dandy Don! Oh no, now the party's officially over.

Nice write up though; thanks for posting it, Rick.

[Michigan Girl]

awww ...
a TRUE Texan!! Remember those Lipton commercials?!?

[YoungJRNY]

Jets @ Pats:

Something has to give here since the Jets are a good road team and Brady never lose's at home. Instead at looking at home field, I'm looking at the matchup and I'm eager to see how Rex Ryan's ambush style of defense is going to attack Brady. The Steelers, for some reason, decided to let Brady stand there and pick them apart so I don't think Brady will have that luxury tonight against the Jets D, who should bring many all out blitzes against Brady and even maybe a 12th man from the sidelines if he can get away with it. I think the Jets will be very physical and make the Pats offense look stagnant, which should give enough time for the Jets offense to torch the Pats 31st ranked defense mainly because I don't think the Pats pass D has any kind of answer for Santonio Holmes, who didn't play last matchup.

Jets by 10.

[S2M]

Jets @ Pats:

Something has to give here since the Jets are a good road team and Brady never lose's at home. Instead at looking at home field, I'm looking at the matchup and I'm eager to see how Rex Ryan's ambush style of defense is going to attack Brady. The Steelers, for some reason, decided to let Brady stand there and pick them apart so I don't think Brady will have that luxury tonight against the Jets D, who should bring many all out blitzes against Brady and even maybe a 12th man from the sidelines if he can get away with it. I think the Jets will be very physical and make the Pats offense look stagnant, which should give enough time for the Jets offense to torch the Pats 31st ranked defense mainly because I don't think the Pats pass D has any kind of answer for Santonio Holmes, who didn't play last matchup.

Jets by 10.

I'm calling it right here:

NE - 38
Jets - 17

[YoungJRNY]

Jets @ Pats:

Something has to give here since the Jets are a good road team and Brady never lose's at home. Instead at looking at home field, I'm looking at the matchup and I'm eager to see how Rex Ryan's ambush style of defense is going to attack Brady. The Steelers, for some reason, decided to let Brady stand there and pick them apart so I don't think Brady will have that luxury tonight against the Jets D, who should bring many all out blitzes against Brady and even maybe a 12th man from the sidelines if he can get away with it. I think the Jets will be very physical and make the Pats offense look stagnant, which should give enough time for the Jets offense to torch the Pats 31st ranked defense mainly because I don't think the Pats pass D has any kind of answer for Santonio Holmes, who didn't play last matchup.

Jets by 10.

I'm calling it right here:

NE - 38
Jets - 17

I think the Pats will score lower than usual, it's just the way the Jets play and will determine more of what the Pats do rather than vice-versa. Just my opinion though. I'll say 24-14 Jets.

[S2M]

I think if NE has a hot route on every offensive play, then they will win handily. If Jets blitz - its a quick dumpout to the hot read. Simple.

[Saint John]

Great game last night. Baltimore was all set to win, but Flunco missed a grade school blitz read. The play by Polamalu was like hitting a tackling dummy ... which Flunco basically is. Big Ben is one tough motherfucker. That dude's nose looked like a fucking question mark and he stayed right in there and plugged away. That's a teammate.

[S2M]

Great game last night. Baltimore was all set to win, but Flunco missed a grade school blitz read. The play by Polamalu was like hitting a tackling dummy ... which Flunco basically is. Big Ben is one tough motherfucker. That dude's nose looked like a fucking question mark and he stayed right in there and plugged away. That's a teammate.

FFS, Dan....don't feed the homer stalkers.....C"MON!!!

[S2M]

Its been nice knowing you, McDaniels...

[YoungJRNY]

Its been nice knowing you, McDaniels...

Nice, maybe now Bellicheat can hire his old staff back and get back to the good 'ol Super Bowl days of zooming in on player personal and their signals from their very own sidelines. Maybe he won't get caught this time! Good luck.

[Rockindeano]

Great game last night. Baltimore was all set to win, but Flunco missed a grade school blitz read. The play by Polamalu was like hitting a tackling dummy ... which Flunco basically is. Big Ben is one tough motherfucker. That dude's nose looked like a fucking question mark and he stayed right in there and plugged away. That's a teammate.

Flacco didn't miss any blitz read dude. Palamalu was expecting a run, with 99.8% of the rest of the country! What the fuck were they doing passing on that play(where Flacco fumbled)? Run the ball into the line two more times and if you don't get the first down, punt it away from your own 45. The Steelers in no way could move the length of the field. That game was OVER.

Baltimore lost that game, moreso than the Steelers won it.

And if you were by chance talking about the last play where Flacco shorthopped his receiver by two yards, well, that was Flacco being Davey Concepcion.

This loss is all on Harbaugh. Poor play calling cost them the game, period.

[Rockindeano]

Its been nice knowing you, McDaniels...

Nice, maybe now Bellicheat can hire his old staff back and get back to the good 'ol Super Bowl days of zooming in on player personal and their signals from their very own sidelines. Maybe he won't get caught this time! Good luck.

Hey, for the last time, if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying, and it's only cheating if you get caught...so Bellechik got caught. big deal? He paid the fine and continues to be the very best in the business. NO ONE is close to this guy, NO ONE.

[S2M]

Great game last night. Baltimore was all set to win, but Flunco missed a grade school blitz read. The play by Polamalu was like hitting a tackling dummy ... which Flunco basically is. Big Ben is one tough motherfucker. That dude's nose looked like a fucking question mark and he stayed right in there and plugged away. That's a teammate.

Flacco didn't miss any blitz read dude. Palamalu was expecting a run, with 99.8% of the rest of the country! What the fuck were they doing passing on that play(where Flacco fumbled)? Run the ball into the line two more times and if you don't get the first down, punt it away from your own 45. The Steelers in no way could move the length of the field. That game was OVER.

Baltimore lost that game, moreso than the Steelers won it.

And if you were by chance talking about the last play where Flacco shorthopped his receiver by two yards, well, that was Flacco being Davey Concepcion.

This loss is all on Harbaugh. Poor play calling cost them the game, period.

The reason for more than 75% of all losses by good teams....

[Rockindeano]

Great game last night. Baltimore was all set to win, but Flunco missed a grade school blitz read. The play by Polamalu was like hitting a tackling dummy ... which Flunco basically is. Big Ben is one tough motherfucker. That dude's nose looked like a fucking question mark and he stayed right in there and plugged away. That's a teammate.

Flacco didn't miss any blitz read dude. Palamalu was expecting a run, with 99.8% of the rest of the country! What the fuck were they doing passing on that play(where Flacco fumbled)? Run the ball into the line two more times and if you don't get the first down, punt it away from your own 45. The Steelers in no way could move the length of the field. That game was OVER.

Baltimore lost that game, moreso than the Steelers won it.

And if you were by chance talking about the last play where Flacco shorthopped his receiver by two yards, well, that was Flacco being Davey Concepcion.

This loss is all on Harbaugh. Poor play calling cost them the game, period.

The reason for more than 75% of all losses by good teams....

Ok, but it still doesn't excuse you from your ridiculous prediction of a 38-14 NE win tonight. Dude, the Jets don't give up 38 points in a month, let alone a single game. I think you Chowderheads are in for a real surprise tonight. NO WAY you score 38 points. This isn't Miami you're playing.

[S2M]

Great game last night. Baltimore was all set to win, but Flunco missed a grade school blitz read. The play by Polamalu was like hitting a tackling dummy ... which Flunco basically is. Big Ben is one tough motherfucker. That dude's nose looked like a fucking question mark and he stayed right in there and plugged away. That's a teammate.

Flacco didn't miss any blitz read dude. Palamalu was expecting a run, with 99.8% of the rest of the country! What the fuck were they doing passing on that play(where Flacco fumbled)? Run the ball into the line two more times and if you don't get the first down, punt it away from your own 45. The Steelers in no way could move the length of the field. That game was OVER.

Baltimore lost that game, moreso than the Steelers won it.

And if you were by chance talking about the last play where Flacco shorthopped his receiver by two yards, well, that was Flacco being Davey Concepcion.

This loss is all on Harbaugh. Poor play calling cost them the game, period.

The reason for more than 75% of all losses by good teams....

Ok, but it still doesn't excuse you from your ridiculous prediction of a 38-14 NE win tonight. Dude, the Jets don't give up 38 points in a month, let alone a single game. I think you Chowderheads are in for a real surprise tonight. NO WAY you score 38 points. This isn't Miami you're playing.

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret...and you can save any retorts saying coulda, woulda, shoulda. NE is the class of the NFL. Add a pass rusher, and a running back - and this team is fully capable of stringing 4 SB victories in a row. They ARE that good. NO team is even close.

and while you're at it, don't forget NE leads the league in scoring at 30.4 pts/game...so either way something's gotta give....now granted Holmes didn't play in the first game, but NE's defense is better now.

[YoungJRNY]

Great game last night. Baltimore was all set to win, but Flunco missed a grade school blitz read. The play by Polamalu was like hitting a tackling dummy ... which Flunco basically is. Big Ben is one tough motherfucker. That dude's nose looked like a fucking question mark and he stayed right in there and plugged away. That's a teammate.

Flacco didn't miss any blitz read dude. Palamalu was expecting a run, with 99.8% of the rest of the country! What the fuck were they doing passing on that play(where Flacco fumbled)? Run the ball into the line two more times and if you don't get the first down, punt it away from your own 45. The Steelers in no way could move the length of the field. That game was OVER.

Baltimore lost that game, moreso than the Steelers won it.

And if you were by chance talking about the last play where Flacco shorthopped his receiver by two yards, well, that was Flacco being Davey Concepcion.

This loss is all on Harbaugh. Poor play calling cost them the game, period.

The reason for more than 75% of all losses by good teams....

Ok, but it still doesn't excuse you from your ridiculous prediction of a 38-14 NE win tonight. Dude, the Jets don't give up 38 points in a month, let alone a single game. I think you Chowderheads are in for a real surprise tonight. NO WAY you score 38 points. This isn't Miami you're playing.

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret...and you can save any retorts saying coulda, woulda, shoulda. NE is the class of the NFL. Add a pass rusher, and a running back - and this team is fully capable of stringing 4 SB victories in a row. They ARE that good. NO team is even close.

and while you're at it, don't forget NE leads the league in scoring at 30.4 pts/game...so either way something's gotta give....now granted Holmes didn't play in the first game, but NE's defense is better now.

Holy shit it doesn't get as bad as New England Chowder chest pumpers. Those fans are the most arrogant by far, it's not even close. S2M wants to rag on me for homerism but turns around and posts that, typical hypocritical move "If we had a running back, a defensive back, a safety, a linebacker" blah blah. News flash: New England may not be going ANYWHERE with that pathetic style of defense they play in the post-season. I can even see the Chiefs hanging 35 plus on them or the Jags potentially beating them! Do you know what you sound like? Damn dude.

Anyway, I don't blame Harbaugh for going for it on 4th and 2 with a pass. If you watched the game at ALL, the Ravens were getting about a yard a carry at that point and actually hit Anquan Boldin on a 4th and 2 play earlier in the drive to keep them alive. If you watch that play again, he had a reciever wide open in the flats and at the first down mark, but it was the Steelers pressure that forced him to throw it 3 yards and not 4.

Credit the Pittsburgh pressure and Troy's perfect timing instincts. If Baltimore handed us that game, then I want the one back earlier in Pittsburgh because I guess we handed that to them as well. This is the way both teams play each other. One hiccup and it's all over. Last game, the Ravens blocked Troy on a blitz and hit T.J Houseyourmama on the game winning T.D. This time, Troy came free and made a helluva play.

[Rockindeano]

No shit S2M. The Pats have an atrocious defense. I get that you need an offense to win a game, but with that defense, you aren't going to outscore teams like the Jets, San Diego or Atlanta, Green Bay and New Orleans. You can forget about going to the fucking Super Bowl.

Man, I hope you Chowds go down in a fiery ball of fuck tonight. The arrogance of Boston fan is sickening. Pittsburgh fan might be a homer, but Pittsburgh fan is blue collar and prideful. Boston fan is arrogant and thinks he is owed something. Fuck Boston.

[S2M]

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret...and you can save any retorts saying coulda, woulda, shoulda. NE is the class of the NFL. Add a pass rusher, and a running back - and this team is fully capable of stringing 4 SB victories in a row. They ARE that good. NO team is even close.

and while you're at it, don't forget NE leads the league in scoring at 30.4 pts/game...so either way something's gotta give....now granted Holmes didn't play in the first game, but NE's defense is better now.

Holy shit it doesn't get as bad as New England Chowder chest pumpers. Those fans are the most arrogant by far, it's not even close. S2M wants to rag on me for homerism but turns around and posts that, typical hypocritical move "If we had a running back, a defensive back, a safety, a linebacker" blah blah. News flash: New England may not be going ANYWHERE with that pathetic style of defense they play in the post-season. I can even see the Chiefs hanging 35 plus on them or the Jags potentially beating them! Do you know what you sound like? Damn dude.

The difference is I don't run in here with post after post with Ben's cock hanging out of my mouth like a cigarette...If memory serves me the Rams won a SB with an anemic defense...they just outscored everyone with the Greatest Show on Turf....but you were 11 when that occured so I forgive you....

[Saint John]

Flacco didn't miss any blitz read dude.

What else do you call the strong safety coming in from the blindside?!?!

[YoungJRNY]

I'm glad I found this vid.

The difference between what worked and what didn't work and the fine line between a "W" and an "L" in this years Pittburgh/Baltimore rivarly is this, which ironically came down to the same type of scenario:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rISOdUdpTk

^ Look at the top of the screen. On the Ravens game winning drive in the first game, you see Troy coming with a safety blitz, that is picked up from the backside tight end (Heap) who slides over to pick up Troy, which gives Flacco enough time to beat find Houseyourmama on a double move to win the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n31yYHEVjEg

^ Last night. Again, top of the screen. No protection on the left side of the line and Ray Rice didn't see Troy on the left because he was locked onto Lawrence Timmons, which free's Troy to make the clutch play and get there at the knick of time since Flacco was throwing a little tight end out that probably would of gotten the first down. What a difference a certain call could make within certain packages.

[YoungJRNY]

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret...and you can save any retorts saying coulda, woulda, shoulda. NE is the class of the NFL. Add a pass rusher, and a running back - and this team is fully capable of stringing 4 SB victories in a row. They ARE that good. NO team is even close.

and while you're at it, don't forget NE leads the league in scoring at 30.4 pts/game...so either way something's gotta give....now granted Holmes didn't play in the first game, but NE's defense is better now.

Holy shit it doesn't get as bad as New England Chowder chest pumpers. Those fans are the most arrogant by far, it's not even close. S2M wants to rag on me for homerism but turns around and posts that, typical hypocritical move "If we had a running back, a defensive back, a safety, a linebacker" blah blah. News flash: New England may not be going ANYWHERE with that pathetic style of defense they play in the post-season. I can even see the Chiefs hanging 35 plus on them or the Jags potentially beating them! Do you know what you sound like? Damn dude.

The difference is I don't run in here with post after post with Ben's cock hanging out of my mouth like a cigarette...If memory serves me the Rams won a SB with an anemic defense...they just outscored everyone with the Greatest Show on Turf....but you were 11 when that occured so I forgive you....

Haha, you're crazy man, only thing I said was Ben is probably the toughest son of a bitch playing in the game not named Favre. How is that any different than the non-stop slobbering of Favre? Look in the archives, there has to be about 10 pages dedicated to Favre on all debate. And like I've said before, that Rams defense was better than you give credit for. In 1999, the Rams owned the 6th ranked defense and only gave up 15 points per game! Check it.

[Rick]

T.J Houseyourmama

[S2M]

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret...and you can save any retorts saying coulda, woulda, shoulda. NE is the class of the NFL. Add a pass rusher, and a running back - and this team is fully capable of stringing 4 SB victories in a row. They ARE that good. NO team is even close.

and while you're at it, don't forget NE leads the league in scoring at 30.4 pts/game...so either way something's gotta give....now granted Holmes didn't play in the first game, but NE's defense is better now.

Holy shit it doesn't get as bad as New England Chowder chest pumpers. Those fans are the most arrogant by far, it's not even close. S2M wants to rag on me for homerism but turns around and posts that, typical hypocritical move "If we had a running back, a defensive back, a safety, a linebacker" blah blah. News flash: New England may not be going ANYWHERE with that pathetic style of defense they play in the post-season. I can even see the Chiefs hanging 35 plus on them or the Jags potentially beating them! Do you know what you sound like? Damn dude.

The difference is I don't run in here with post after post with Ben's cock hanging out of my mouth like a cigarette...If memory serves me the Rams won a SB with an anemic defense...they just outscored everyone with the Greatest Show on Turf....but you were 11 when that occured so I forgive you....

Haha, you're crazy man, only thing I said was Ben is probably the toughest son of a bitch playing in the game not named Favre. How is that any different than the non-stop slobbering of Favre? Look in the archives, there has to be about 10 pages dedicated to Favre on all debate. And like I've said before, that Rams defense was better than you give credit for. In 1999, the Rams owned the 6th ranked defense and only gave up 15 points per game! Check it.

Are you daft?! John and I have told you numerous times that NE starts FOUR rookies on defense....I highly doubt ST. Louis had even ONE rookie on that D. I think NE is doing a decent job considering...

[YoungJRNY]

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret...and you can save any retorts saying coulda, woulda, shoulda. NE is the class of the NFL. Add a pass rusher, and a running back - and this team is fully capable of stringing 4 SB victories in a row. They ARE that good. NO team is even close.

and while you're at it, don't forget NE leads the league in scoring at 30.4 pts/game...so either way something's gotta give....now granted Holmes didn't play in the first game, but NE's defense is better now.

Holy shit it doesn't get as bad as New England Chowder chest pumpers. Those fans are the most arrogant by far, it's not even close. S2M wants to rag on me for homerism but turns around and posts that, typical hypocritical move "If we had a running back, a defensive back, a safety, a linebacker" blah blah. News flash: New England may not be going ANYWHERE with that pathetic style of defense they play in the post-season. I can even see the Chiefs hanging 35 plus on them or the Jags potentially beating them! Do you know what you sound like? Damn dude.

The difference is I don't run in here with post after post with Ben's cock hanging out of my mouth like a cigarette...If memory serves me the Rams won a SB with an anemic defense...they just outscored everyone with the Greatest Show on Turf....but you were 11 when that occured so I forgive you....

Haha, you're crazy man, only thing I said was Ben is probably the toughest son of a bitch playing in the game not named Favre. How is that any different than the non-stop slobbering of Favre? Look in the archives, there has to be about 10 pages dedicated to Favre on all debate. And like I've said before, that Rams defense was better than you give credit for. In 1999, the Rams owned the 6th ranked defense and only gave up 15 points per game! Check it.

Are you daft?! John and I have told you numerous times that NE starts FOUR rookies on defense....I highly doubt ST. Louis had even ONE rookie on that D. I think NE is doing a decent job considering...

Oh boy, the excuse's are undeniably disgusting coming from you. Every team plays rookies, hell, the Steelers have a rookie playing the center position (Maurkice Pouncey) on a banged up line and about 6 guys rotating in that only has a year of experience. They also have 2 rookie wideouts (Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders) as well and only a second year man (Mike Wallace) starting. It's football, no excuse's for anybody. They are professionals and even though they are playing better, doesn't exclude the fact that they still suck right now and are a glaring weakness entering fierce competition in the playoffs, which is our point, rookies or not.