President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Monker]

And monker. ya,I'll take Hollywood Movies over studied historians any day. That would make you libs happy I'm sure. Again, very alynski. dismiss the source, never the points.

He is as much a "studied historian" as Al Gore is a climate scientist.

So, why do you take the word of one and ridicule the other? I don't believe either one and look at the REAL experts in their fields. The REAL experts say this guy is a propaganda artist at best, trying to take his own beliefs and picking factoids in history to 'prove' them. A REAL historian looks at ALL history and lets it tell its own story, not the one he WANTS to tell.

All this guy did was go on and on about a black partner to Lafayette and hold up a book and said we used to use it as a textbook in this country (which I would like to see proof of that, from a reliable source). None of this goes to the point of a huge conspiracy to cover up black history. it's just ridiculous.

The movie stuff is what Glen Beck brought up. My point is he is cherry picking this from our racist past and saying how biased we are today. That's just nearly as true as it was 50yrs ago. If you want to make a documentary of blacks in the Revolutionary war, go for it. Maybe Ken Burns will be interested. The simple fact is we are not living in the days of Amos and Andy...well, most of us anyway...Glen Beck seems to be.

[The_Noble_Cause]

David Barton is the Founder and President of WallBuilders, a national pro-family organization that presents America's forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on our moral, religious and constitutional heritage.

WallBuilders is a name taken from the Old Testament writings of Nehemiah, who led a grassroots movement to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem and restore its strength and honor. In the same way, WallBuilders seeks to energize the grassroots today to become involved in strengthening their communities, states, and nation.

David is the author of numerous best-selling books, with the subjects being drawn largely from his massive library of tens of thousands of original writings from the Founding Era. He also addresses well over 400 groups each year.

His exhaustive research has rendered him an expert in historical and constitutional issues and he serves as a consultant to state and federal legislators, has participated in several cases at the Supreme Court, was involved in the development of the History/Social Studies standards for states such as Texas and California, and has helped produce history textbooks now used in schools across the nation.

A national news organization has described him as "America's historian," and Time Magazine called him "a hero to millions - including some powerful politicians. In fact, Time Magazine named him as one of America's 25 most influential evangelicals.

David has received numerous national and international awards, including Who's Who in Education, DAR's Medal of Honor, and the George Washington Honor Medal from the Freedoms Foundation at Valley Forge. His work in media has merited several Angel Awards, Telly Awards, and the Dove Foundation Seal of Approval.

David and his wife Cheryl have three grown children, Damaris, Timothy, and Stephen, and they reside in Aledo, TX.

Nothing in this gushy press release debunks ANYTHING Monker says. Barton is a pundit - period. His own Christian publishing house had to recall one of his books due to MAJOR factual and historical errors. I remember Barton on Beck attempting to salvage his reputation after that happened. Beck quickly said that his own publishing company would pick up the flawed book. Little surprise there. Beck has no respect for the truth either and knows his audience is as dumb as horseshit.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter- ... mas-Nelson

[The_Noble_Cause]

WOW! What a GLARING Mistake. Might as well throw out everything he's ever done. And from a liberal sorce too!

The books own publisher, Thomas Nelson, a Christian book company, pulled the book after completing an internal review. The VP of Thomas Nelson said, "We became convinced there were parts of the book that were not historically supported.” Yep, blame it all on the liberals. As I said earlier, Barton is a known fraud and not "a leading historian."

[Monker]

Glen Beck was singing the praise all through the series of shows about the role blacks played in American history, which has been written out of history books. You have it backwards. IT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SHOW. And now you throw a race card at him/ I guess in your world, anything positive said by a white about a black makes him a racist.

Holy crap! Somebody called Glen Beck a racist! Can you please quote it so I know what the hell you are talking about? Or, are just making shit up, much like this self-proclaimed historian you are propping up?

[Monker]

Wow, you can make a copy/past from his own website...it's just amazing how well he promotes himself on his own website, isn't it? I mean, there is absolutely nothing here that would make you believe that he is just a pastor with a crazy call from God to rewrite history to his own liking. I'm just amazed he didn't write that here...shocking.

David Barton is the Founder and President of WallBuilders, a national pro-family organization that presents America's forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on our moral, religious and constitutional heritage.

WallBuilders is a name taken from the Old Testament wcritings of Nehemiah, who led a grassroots movement to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem and restore its strength and honor. In the same way, WallBuilders seeks to energize the grassroots today to become involved in strengthening their communities, states, and nation.

David is the author of numerous best-selling books, with the subjects being drawn largely from his massive library of tens of thousands of original writings from the Founding Era. He also addresses well over 400 groups each year.

His exhaustive research has rendered him an expert in historical and constitutional issues and he serves as a consultant to state and federal legislators, has participated in several cases at the Supreme Court, was involved in the development of the History/Social Studies standards for states such as Texas and California, and has helped produce history textbooks now used in schools across the nation.

A national news organization has described him as "America's historian," and Time Magazine called him "a hero to millions - including some powerful politicians. In fact, Time Magazine named him as one of America's 25 most influential evangelicals.

David has received numerous national and international awards, including Who's Who in Education, DAR's Medal of Honor, and the George Washington Honor Medal from the Freedoms Foundation at Valley Forge. His work in media has merited several Angel Awards, Telly Awards, and the Dove Foundation Seal of Approval.

David and his wife Cheryl have three grown children, Damaris, Timothy, and Stephen, and they reside in Aledo, TX.

[Monker]

Hey, I have an idea, let's look at what Wiki says about David Barton...since we are throwing reason out the window now:

David Barton (born January 28, 1954) is an American evangelical Christian minister,[1] conservative activist, and author. He founded WallBuilders, a Texas-based organization which promotes the view that it is a myth that the US Constitution insists on separation of church and state.[2][3] Barton is the former vice chair of the Republican Party of Texas. He has been described as a Christian nationalist and "one of the foremost Christian revisionist historians"; much of his work is devoted to advancing the idea, based upon research that many historians describe as flawed,[4] that the United States was founded as an explicitly Christian nation.[5]

Barton collects early American documents, and his official biography describes him as "an expert in historical and constitutional issues".[6] Barton holds no formal credentials in history or law, and scholars dispute the accuracy and integrity of his assertions about history, accusing him of practicing misleading historical revisionism, "pseudoscholarship" and spreading "outright falsehoods".[7][8][9][10] According to the New York Times, "many professional historians dismiss Mr. Barton, whose academic degree is in Christian Education from Oral Roberts University, as a biased amateur who cherry-picks quotes from history and the Bible."[4] Barton's 2012 book The Jefferson Lies was voted "the least credible history book in print" by the users of the History News Network website.[11] The book's publisher, the Christian publishing house Thomas Nelson, disavowed the book and withdrew it from sale. A senior executive said that Thomas Nelson could not stand by the book because "basic truths just were not there."[12]

A 2005 Time magazine article entitled "The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals" called Barton "a major voice in the debate over church–state separation" who, despite the fact that "many historians dismiss his thinking... [is] a hero to millions—including some powerful politicians."[13] Barton has appeared on television and radio programs, including those of former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and Glenn Beck. Beck has praised Barton as "the Library of Congress in shoes".[14] In September 2013, POLITICO reported that he has returned to the political arena and is advising state legislators on how to fight the Common Core academic standards promoted by the Obama administration.[12]

He is just a fucking propagandist spewing out his own opinion and cherry picking history to try prove his ideology, and infuse it all with his Christian fundamentalism POV. THAT is what he is.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How about that, MANY LIBERAL sources think he's a fake.

Barton’s Jefferson book was recalled after criticism came from INSIDE the evangelical community. Including multiple professors at Christian universities, like Grove City. So even on issues you are supposedly knowledgeable (like Barton), you simply don’t have a fucking clue. ENOUGH. Lie after lie after lie. You truly have a sickness. It's time you stopped the madness and sought professional help.

http://www.worldmag.com/2012/08/the_dav ... ontroversy

[Monker]

Wiki, there's a reliable source. Maybe i'll get on it and change it.

I went to Wiki specifically because YOU WENT TO HIS OWN WEBSITE AND COPY/PASTED THE BIO.

Why can't you just admit you were wrong and take it. The guy is not a 'leading historian'. He has absolutely NO TRAINING in that area. He is a pastor and politician and is absolutely biased to Republican and specifically the religious right. That is who he is, deal with it.

[conversationpc]

I haven't done any research into this but what was it in Barton's book that was supposedly historically inaccurate? Seriously...I heard a bit about it and saw the show where Barton was on but it's been awhile and I don't remember.

[JBlake]

What I find incredible in the news today is how the DHS is downplaying any sort of threat by the ISIS on US soil, yet a few hours later, there has been "chatter" detected on the internet of the ISIS discussing interest in entering the US via the American/Mexican border.

That's right current administration..... Sit with your thumbs up your asses until shit hits the fan with terrorists killing people.

Meanwhile LIbs and Dems want to make this an anti-gun country. A country of sitting ducks.

[Monker]

According to Monkers post, he claimed Jefferson never sold any of his slaves, and he had sold two.

You have no clue about what you are talking about. I never made a post claiming someone named Jefferson did not sell any of my slaves....that is just more of your made up crazy talk.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How can this even be legal?

http://news.yahoo.com/doj-money-bank-am ... 07619.html

Unsure. When Glenn Beck's crack legal constitutional panel decides to weigh in, please let us know, ok? I think it includes Judge Wapner, Judge Reinhold, Joe the Plumber, and the dude from the TV sitcom, Night Court.

[The_Noble_Cause]

According to Monkers post, he claimed Jefferson never sold any of his slaves, and he had sold two.

The book was pulled for multiple errors. Not just this one. Barton is a liar & a charlatan. Just like Beck. Just like you.

[SF-Dano]

According to Monkers post, he claimed Jefferson never sold any of his slaves, and he had sold two.

You have no clue about what you are talking about. I never made a post claiming someone named Jefferson did not sell any of my slaves....that is just more of your made up crazy talk.

You should read what you posted then, because CLEARLY, that's what it said.

Uhm..... I believe monker's reply was a play on your poorly worded post.

[slucero]

What the hell... I thought the ice caps were melting....

[Monker]

Why is it so hard to understand the difference between sea ice tens of feet thick (at most), and the melting and freezing does not have any affect on ocean levels....and landlocked ice, hundreds of feet thick, that is melting and DOES have an affect on ocean levels. The glaciers at the south pole are MILES thick...THAT is where most of the ice is.

If you want to know if there is "less ice" at the poles, look at cubic feet (or miles, really), or the total VOLUME of ice. Measuring square feet of ice is pretty meaningless.

What the hell... I thought the ice caps were melting....

[slucero]

The press release from the European Space Agency (ESA) reads as follows:

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Obser ... record_low

16 December 2013

Measurements from ESA’s CryoSat satellite show that the volume of Arctic sea ice has significantly increased this autumn. The volume of ice measured this autumn is about 50% higher compared to last year.

so I'm pretty sure it's about "volume"... but ok..

Just where does one find a volumetric historical measure of ice on Earth?

A Google search of "Volumetric measure of earth ice" yields one story of a 2012 study, yet gives no indication of rise or fall - volume wise.. and one glaciologist also states that "less than 1 percent of glaciers in the world have measured ice thicknesses, so it's hard to validate the study's estimates."

The 2013 ESA announcement notwithstanding.. I'd love to see some volumetric data... proving or disproving the global warming theory.

[Monker]

The press release from the European Space Agency (ESA) reads as follows:

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Obser ... record_low

16 December 2013

Measurements from ESA’s CryoSat satellite show that the volume of Arctic sea ice has significantly increased this autumn. The volume of ice measured this autumn is about 50% higher compared to last year.

so I'm pretty sure it's about "volume"... but ok..

Just where does one find a volumetric historical measure of ice on Earth?

A Google search of "Volumetric measure of earth ice" yields one story of a 2012 study, yet gives no indication of rise or fall - volume wise.. and one glaciologist also states that "less than 1 percent of glaciers in the world have measured ice thicknesses, so it's hard to validate the study's estimates."

The 2013 ESA announcement notwithstanding.. I'd love to see some volumetric data... proving or disproving the global warming theory.

This is volume of SEA ICE. That is not the total volume of ice in Antarctica. The amount of land ice/glaciers make this sea ice insignificant. This is very basic stuff...not complicated AT ALL.

The total volume of ice in various regions of Earth has been monitored since 2000 by a NASA satellite called GRACE. Google it.

[Monker]

Why is it so hard to understand the difference between sea ice tens of feet thick (at most), and the melting and freezing does not have any affect on ocean levels....and landlocked ice, hundreds of feet thick, that is melting and DOES have an affect on ocean levels. The glaciers at the south pole are MILES thick...THAT is where most of the ice is.

If you want to know if there is "less ice" at the poles, look at cubic feet (or miles, really), or the total VOLUME of ice. Measuring square feet of ice is pretty meaningless.

What the hell... I thought the ice caps were melting....

Judith Curry, professor of earth and atmospheric sciences at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, said last night: ‘The Arctic sea ice spiral of death seems to have reversed."

Mr Gore – whose office yesterday failed to respond to a request for comment.

LOL...who cares? Judith Curry saying such a thing is like W standing on an aircraft carries under a "Mission Accomplished" sign. Just because you get a denier to give you a quote doesn't mean it's true...it's NOT TRUE.

BTW, smart move by Gore to not comment on such stupidity.

[Monker]

As I have said in the past, these are all stories from media and non-scientists. In the peer reviewed stuff, they were making the connection between CO2 and global warming back in the early 1970's...and when computer models came about, they confirmed it.

All you are doing is spamming a bunch of media driven "crap".

June 30, 1989, Associated Press: U.N. OFFICIAL PREDICTS DISASTER, SAYS GREENHOUSE EFFECT COULD WIPE SOME NATIONS OFF MAP–entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos,” said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program. He added that governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect.

Sept 19, 1989, St. Louis Post-Dispatch: “New York will probably be like Florida 15 years from now.”

It's been 25 years now!

Michael Oppenheimer, 1990, The Environmental Defense Fund: “By 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…”(By 1996) The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers…The Mexican police will round up illegal American migrants surging into Mexico seeking work as field hands.”

OH MY SIDES!

“Within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event. … Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”

David Viner, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 20 March 2000

“The data collected by experts from the university [of Bangor] suggests that a white Christmas on Snowdon – the tallest mountain in England and Wales – may one day become no more than a memory.”

BBC News, 20 Dec 2004

[BBC 2013: “Snowdon Mountain Railway will be shut over the Easter weekend after it was hit by 30ft (9.1m) snow drifts.”]

“With the pace of global warming increasing, some climate change experts predict that the Scottish ski industry will cease to exist within 20 years.”

Guardian, 14 February 2004

“Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry.”

David Viner, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 14 Feb 2004

[4 January 2013: “Nevis Range, The Lecht, Cairngorm, Glenshee and Glencoe all remain closed today due to the heavy snow and strong winds.”]

“For the Baltic ringed seal, climate change could mean its demise” warned a team of scientists at the Baltic Sea Experiment (Baltex) conference in Goteborg. “This is because the warming leads to the ice on the Baltic Sea to melt earlier and earlier every year.”

Spiegel, 3 June 2006

[The Local 2013: “Late-season freeze sets Baltic ice record ... I’ve never seen this much ice this late in the season.”]

“The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change….There will be more police cars….[since] you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.”

Dr. James Hansen, 1988, in an interview with author Rob Reiss.

Reiss asked how the greenhouse effect was likely to affect the neighborhood below Hansen’s office in NYC in the next 20 years.

1990 Actress Meryl Streep “By the year 2000 – that’s less than ten years away–earth’s climate will be warmer than it’s been in over 100,000 years. If we don’t do something, there’ll be enormous calamities in a very short time.”

April 2008, Media Mogul Ted Turner on Charlie Rose (On not taking drastic action to correct global warming) “Not doing it will be catastrophic. We’ll be eight degrees hotter in ten, not ten but 30 or 40 years and basically none of the crops will grow. Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals.”

January 1970 Life Magazine “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support …the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half…”

“Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “At the present rate of nitrogen build-up, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”

“Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

April 28, 1975 Newsweek “There are ominous signs that Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically….The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it….The central fact is that…the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down…If the climate change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.”

1976 Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling,”: “This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.”

August 31, 2014 Albert Gore: "No comment."

I could do this for another hour but these will do for now..

[slucero]

This is volume of SEA ICE. That is not the total volume of ice in Antarctica. The amount of land ice/glaciers make this sea ice insignificant. This is very basic stuff...not complicated AT ALL.

The total volume of ice in various regions of Earth has been monitored since 2000 by a NASA satellite called GRACE. Google it.

Then why would Matthias Huss, a glaciologist at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland, say the following?

"Compared with the potential sea level rise from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, the volume of land-based glaciers is relatively small"

I then went to the GRACE site... where there really wasn't any definitive data on global ice volume..

I then went to the NSIDC site... same problem...

I then went to the ESA site... same problem...


I then googled "total earth ice volume", and found the following:

A report form UNEP.org from 2009, titled "Climate Change: Science Compendium 2009", http://www.unep.org/pdf/ccScienceCompen ... ch2_en.pdf but again.. it discussed ice and glaciers separately..

A report titled "An estimate of global glacier volume - The Cryosphere": http://www.the-cryosphere.net/7/141/201 ... 1-2013.pdf , where the researcher challenges other researchers calculation methodologies.. it's a good read and intriguing, and at least he provides estimates of total volume.



So based on my research.. I can find no "world agency" measure of "total earth ice volume" that one could call a benchmark, while all have data either on sea ice or glacial ice.

Strange.

[steveo777]

Stupid fuckers............

[The_Noble_Cause]

Monker 's post stated that the book claimed Jefferson never sold any slaves and he sold two.

Quote? I don't see this post.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Monker posted several links to liberal sources.

Really? What thread are you looking at? Monker posted the David Barton Wikipedia page to MAKE FUN OF YOU, as you had posted a press release straight from David Barton's website.

I posted as many to conservative sources saying he was wrong. So call me what you want,TNC.

You're a liar and an idiot. You copied and pasted a PRESS RELEASE, not "many conservative sources." In fact, much of the criticism aimed at Barton comes from within the conservative evangelical community.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC, I posted a conservative Source!

A press release is NOT a conservative source. The Wall St. Journal or the National Review is an example of a conservative source. Barton is "a leading historian" in the same way that Iraq had WMDS or tax cuts will magically create jobs. Everything you say is unsupportable. When your sources turn out to be debunked garbage (like a press release or Inquistr), you quickly change the subject and hysterically shout "Alinsky!" or "HuffPo!" The sad thing is, you're too dumb to tell the difference between publicity materials and a news article.

Sorry your too stupid to see it. It was in the source he posted.

Monker posted a Wiki page to MAKE FUN OF YOU, what part of that don't you get?

You libs always love to twist and distort.

Keep generalizing and blaming the liberals. You sound as bad as the rioters in Ferguson who blame everything on the honky white man, or ISIS members who blames everything evil on the West. It's not the liberals fault that you have the IQ of an artichoke. And it certainly wasn't the liberals fault that your family tree is a straight line.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bartons website is a conservative source. Just because I pasted from his bio, does not mean that was all there was too it. Geez!

Uh-huh. Just how WhiteHouse.gov is a reliable source for American news, and Baghdad Bob accurately and honestly reported on Iraq, right? Oh, and OJ is telling the truth and is innocent. I know this because when asked by a TV reporter if he slaughtered his wife he said "Nope". Idiot! I bet you think Tokyo Rose, Hannoi Hanna and Axis Sally all advanced the cause of journalism and freedom of the press too, don't ya? No wonder you are an easy mark for Glenn Beck's ministry of bullshit and propaganda. You can't tell a press release from the news or fact from fiction. You just know what you are told by your Conservative Daddy figures. If Bill O'Reilly told you to castrate yourself, you would reach for the cigar cutter before he could even cut to a commercial.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Glen Beck, bill O'riley would be Conservative sources, dumbshit.

But you didn't post them. You posted a fluffy press release. What's your point? Glenn Beck is not a historian either. And Beck is currently about to lose a multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit because of lying. Do two liars make a truth?

Both you and monker look for a fault, any fault, to discredit what is posted so you don't have to deal with what was said.

I will deal with any topic, any time. You're the one shouting "HuffPost!" and running away from arguments you start but obviously can't finish. On the topic of finishing arguments...why don't you answer this - Did Southern delegates walk away from the Democratic Party convention en masse when the party adopted civil rights as part of the platform in the 40s? Yes or no?

[The_Noble_Cause]

NBC News’ chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel claimed military commanders are “apoplectic” over President Obama’s dithering on ISIS and admission that “we don’t have a strategy yet” to deal with them.

Engel spoke Sunday on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” where he was asked by Andrea Mitchell about the “president’s reluctance to take the fight against ISIS to Syria.”

“Well, I spoke to military commanders, I speak to former officials, and they are apoplectic,” he explained. “The think that this is a clear and present danger. They think something needs to be done.”

“One official said that this was a Freudian slip,” he continued, “that it shows how the United States does not have a policy to deal with Syria, even when you have ISIS — which has effectively become a terrorist army, roughly 20,000 strong, about half of them foreign fighters — and incredibly well-armed after two major weapons hauls.”

Who cares? If policy was completely left up to military commanders, we would've nuked Cuba, Vietnam, and we'd all prolly be dead.

[Monker]

Then why would Matthias Huss, a glaciologist at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland, say the following?

quote]
"Compared with the potential sea level rise from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, the volume of land-based glaciers is relatively small"

[/quote]

Because an "ice sheet" is inland ice...and he is correct. He is comparing the ice-sheets of the north (mainly Greenland) and south poles (Antarctica) to mountain glaciers.

This is EXACTLY why it is incredibly scary to know that Western Antarctic Ice Sheet may be in a state of irreversible melting. Think about this, there is so much ice at the south pole that the weight of it actually crushes the bedrock to be below sea level, deforming the Earth at the South Pole. There is THAT MUCH ice there - MILES thick. So thick that GRACE can measure changes in gravity as the ice melts and the water moves from the area.

Sea ice is like an ice-cube floating in a glass of water. let that ice cube melt, and it does not change how full that glass is. An "ice sheet" is basically the bit of the ice-caps over land. Sea ice is the bit of the ice-caps floating over the ocean. Mountain glaciers are glaciers that form from snowfall in the mountains, that compress into ice, and "flow" down the mountain.

I then went to the GRACE site... where there really wasn't any definitive data on global ice volume..

I then went to the NSIDC site... same problem...

I then went to the ESA site... same problem...

I do not believe I said "world", but "region". Here is the GRACE PDF on the Antarctic changes:
http://www.the-cryosphere.net/7/1499/20 ... 9-2013.pdf

[quote]
I then googled "total earth ice volume", and found the following:

A report form UNEP.org from 2009, titled "Climate Change: Science Compendium 2009", http://www.unep.org/pdf/ccScienceCompen ... ch2_en.pdf but again.. it discussed ice and glaciers separately..

A report titled "An estimate of global glacier volume - The Cryosphere": http://www.the-cryosphere.net/7/141/201 ... 1-2013.pdf , where the researcher challenges other researchers calculation methodologies.. it's a good read and intriguing, and at least he provides estimates of total volume.



So based on my research.. I can find no "world agency" measure of "total earth ice volume" that one could call a benchmark, while all have data either on sea ice or glacial ice.

Strange.[/quote

I don't think it is strange. It would take GRACE scanning all of the glaciers in the world to come up with those numbers....it's just not possible right now. So, they use it to monitor Antarctica and Greenland - because those two areas, as your scientist said, contain FAR more potential to raise the sea level if that inland ice melts. At least that is how it seems to me.

[Boomchild]

What I find incredible in the news today is how the DHS is downplaying any sort of threat by the ISIS on US soil, yet a few hours later, there has been "chatter" detected on the internet of the ISIS discussing interest in entering the US via the American/Mexican border.

That's right current administration..... Sit with your thumbs up your asses until shit hits the fan with terrorists killing people.

Meanwhile LIbs and Dems want to make this an anti-gun country. A country of sitting ducks.

"an interest" in entering our southern border. I be willing to bet that their operatives are all ready in the U.S..