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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby conversationpc » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:45 am

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conversationpc wrote:Nice to know when revisiting old glories that some things on this forum haven't changed at all. The longer I've been away from this forum, the more I realize how much BS most Democrats and Republicans are filled with. Staying here would've retarded my political growth and likely just caused me to argue for the sake of arguing. I'm glad I stopped posting in this thread for the most part because I've learned a lot more elsewhere.

Carry on!


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Sorry dude, we weren't positive we were retarding your ass and didn't really care or think about it until you brought it up. Sorry 'bout that.


Don't believe what TNC wrote below my last quote...Not planning on joining the libs anytime soon. Just leaning more Libertarian and wasn't even referring to you in that comment, btw.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby conversationpc » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:47 am

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conversationpc wrote:Nice to know when revisiting old glories that some things on this forum haven't changed at all. The longer I've been away from this forum, the more I realize how much BS most Democrats and Republicans are filled with. Staying here would've retarded my political growth and likely just caused me to argue for the sake of arguing. I'm glad I stopped posting in this thread for the most part because I've learned a lot more elsewhere.

Carry on!


I think the term for this thing is called a "drive by".


No...Considering I was once a full-time contributor to this thread, I'd call it a "check-in". It just seems like this thread has devolved into more of a argue-n-run instead of discussion. Not that it was ever a full-on discussion, mind you...We had some pretty good tussles, but had the feel of a lot less argue for the sake of arguing than this thread does now.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby conversationpc » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:49 am

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K.C.Journey Fan wrote:AG Holder's wife linked to 'Fast and Furious' and abortion clinic fraud




Change your clocks back today
Change your Country back on Tuesday!

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My prediction...Republicans win back the Senate and stay in control of the House. However...Unless they replace the old farts still in control of the GOP, nothing substantial will be accomplished and we'll simply still be on the same course we're on now, just at a slightly slower pace.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:01 am

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K.C.Journey Fan wrote:AG Holder's wife linked to 'Fast and Furious' and abortion clinic fraud




Change your clocks back today
Change your Country back on Tuesday!

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Precisely!
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:15 am

conversationpc wrote:It just seems like this thread has devolved into more of a argue-n-run instead of discussion


It's a total reflection of how the Obama and the current administration has done their job. Had Obama been the shit hot motherfucker he said he was right out of the gate, no one would have been able to reasonably dispute how things are going. Nothing but shit has come out of this current administration.....complete shit! Wire taping Americans, using the IRS as a tool to target specific American's, Obamacare lies. The list could go on and on and on and on. Obama's going down in history as a real fucked up POTUS along with the entire administration.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:11 pm

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conversationpc wrote:It just seems like this thread has devolved into more of a argue-n-run instead of discussion


It's a total reflection of how the Obama and the current administration has done their job.


Stop. The GOP always loses their collective shit when a Democrat is in office. Nothing is different. Same thing happened under Clinton. If anything, the caustic tone of Obama's presidency was set early on when the GOP stated that "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Pretty much says it all. Policy specifics didn't matter. The fact that the stimulus was 1/3 tax breaks was irrelevant. The fact that Obamacare was designed by the very industry it claimed to regulate was meaningless. The narrative was already set. Still is.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:41 pm

conversationpc wrote:My prediction...Republicans win back the Senate and stay in control of the House. However...Unless they replace the old farts still in control of the GOP, nothing substantial will be accomplished and we'll simply still be on the same course we're on now, just at a slightly slower pace.


I absolutely agree with you. They are using the legislative process itself to practice national politics...at the expense of doing the people's business.

The problem is, it worked. There is no reason the Republicans should stop. There is no reason the Democrats won't learn to start.

In fact, I'll even disagree about the "slightly slower pace". Congress has made itself irrelevant even now...it can't get any slower.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:47 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
JBlake wrote:
conversationpc wrote:It just seems like this thread has devolved into more of a argue-n-run instead of discussion


It's a total reflection of how the Obama and the current administration has done their job.


Stop. The GOP always loses their collective shit when a Democrat is in office. Nothing is different. Same thing happened under Clinton. If anything, the caustic tone of Obama's presidency was set early on when the GOP stated that "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Pretty much says it all. Policy specifics didn't matter. The fact that the stimulus was 1/3 tax breaks was irrelevant. The fact that Obamacare was designed by the very industry it claimed to regulate was meaningless. The narrative was already set. Still is.


Not just that, but there are quotes from Republican leadership to make it their mission to not allow ANY of Obama's agenda to pass, at any cost.

Even something like Obamacare...so much of it was changed by Democrats compromising, including the public option. And, what did it get them? NOTHING...they did not gain any votes, it did not help the process, the Decmocrats compromising did NOTHING. They should have "forced it down the countries throat," since that is what they are accused of anyway.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:45 pm

Fact Finder wrote:This is the kind of talk that infuriates me...

Despite signs pointing to Republican gains in Tuesday’s midterm elections, White House aides said President Obama won’t change his leadership style because the contests in red states don’t represent a “true national election.”


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the entire US House up for election? :roll:


Doesn't surprise me one bit. Were you expecting B.O. and his administration to admit that they are not in touch with what people want or that they are going to back down from their agenda?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby rsimpson » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:04 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:How can Congress get any slower by getting rid of Harry sitting on over 380 Bills Obama won't like Reid? Bills passed in the House by BOTH Republicans and Democrats?


Members of Congress recently decamped to their home districts for the August recess, but the never-ending partisan skirmishing on Capitol Hill continues.

Many readers told us they saw references on social media to a comment by Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kan., about House-passed bills dying on the doorstep of the Senate. They asked us to take a closer look, so we did.

Here’s the full text of Jenkins’ comments, made at a press conference on July 29, 2014, as the final week of the congressional session was winding down:

"The president is fond of referring to the House as the ‘do-nothing Congress.’ But we have 352 reasons why it’s a ‘do-Nothing Senate.’

"352 bills are sitting on Harry Reid’s desk, awaiting action.

"98 percent of them passed with bipartisan support -- Republicans and Democrats working together to pass legislation.

"50 percent of the bills passed unanimously, with no opposition.

"70 percent of the bills passed with two-thirds support in the House.

"And over 55 bills were introduced by Democrats.

"352 bills. Why won’t Harry Reid act? These are good bills; bills that put the American people back to work, put more money in hardworking Americans pockets, help with education, and skills training. We call upon Harry Reid to get to work before he adjourns in August to pass some of these bills. The American people deserve better."

Jenkins offered a lot of statistics in a short statement, so to keep this fact-check manageable, we’ll focus on her claim that in the "do-nothing Senate," there are 352 House bills "sitting on Harry Reid’s desk awaiting action," including 55 introduced by Democrats.

Have 352 bills passed the House but await action in the Senate?

Basically, yes. We used the THOMAS congressional database to pluck out the 733 measures that have passed the House so far this year. We then weeded out a few categories of bills -- ones that, for procedural reasons, were never intended to go to the Senate (such as election of the Speaker, assignment of lawmakers to committees, and procedural motions) or ones that were subsequently taken up by the Senate (either being passed or rejected).

What remained were 342 individual bills. That’s 10 fewer than what Jenkins claimed, but we have no quarrel with her number, since the difference likely stems from additional bills being passed in the couple of days between when she spoke and when we looked through the database.

Are these bills "sitting on Harry Reid’s desk awaiting action"?

Resolving this claim is murkier.

First, a technical problem. It’s an oversimplification to say that these bills are "sitting on Harry Reid’s desk." Many have been assigned to committees, where they would need to be approved before being taken up on the floor. While Reid has influence over what committee chairs do, a chair can -- using their own powers -- decide to either fast-track or stall a bill coming over from the House.

Another complication: In at least some cases, the Senate is working on a bill on the same topic, but without using the House bill as a starting point. "The disposition of a House bill is not particularly relevant to measuring Senate legislative activity," said Steven Smith, political scientist and Senate specialist at Washington University in St. Louis.

We should also note that in the Senate, one member -- either from the majority or the minority -- can stop a bill in its tracks by threatening to filibuster -- a delay that requires 60 votes to break. Reasonable people can disagree about whether Reid or Senate Republicans are the biggest offenders -- we previously addressed some of those issues -- but the experts we checked with said both parties share at least some of the blame.

"There's plenty of blame to go around," said Donald Wolfensberger, a former Republican House aide now studying Congress at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.

Wolfensberger sees Reid as the bigger offender by blocking bills and amendments "to protect his vulnerable members who are up for re-election in November. You can blame the threat of filibusters and politically sensitive amendments from Republicans, but politics ain't bean bag. Senators were sent there to cast the tough votes, not to be pampered, protected and coddled by their leaders."

Others see Republican threats as the bigger problem.

"It is true that some bills, including some of substance, are being blocked by Reid from action because he wants to avoid Republican amendments of the ‘gotcha’ variety that could work against some of his endangered incumbents up this fall," said Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. "You can make a case that the role of the majority is to suck it up and do votes, even if some are uncomfortable. But on the balance sheet, the bigger reality is that very few of the bills passed by the House were aimed at compromise or agreement with the Senate."

A spokesman for Jenkins, Thomas W. Brandt, told PolitiFact, "Only Sen. Reid can bring these bills up for a vote, and if he did, it would go a long way in ending the legislative gridlock currently plaguing Washington."

Adam Jentleson, a spokesman for Reid, countered by noting that there are 50 bipartisan Senate-passed bills awaiting House action. (Here's the list.)

Do the House-passed, Senate-stalled bills include 55 introduced by Democrats?

On the number, Jenkins is basically right -- we counted 54. But if this statistic is intended to communicate how generously the House treats its minority caucus, Jenkins’ talking point is somewhat overblown.

Unlike the Senate, where the minority party and individual lawmakers hold notable leverage, the House is structured -- regardless of which party is in power -- as a tyranny of the majority. Whoever has the most votes and holds the Speaker’s gavel determines which bills get considered, and precisely how they get considered. Minority-party preferences are granted, if at all, as a favor from the majority.

The number of Democratic-sponsored bills Jenkins mentions -- 55 -- accounts for just 16 percent of all House-passed bills now awaiting consideration in the Senate. But even that figure is misleadingly high.

When we took a closer look at the 55 Democratic-sponsored bills that passed the House, we found that fewer than half -- 24 -- could reasonably be described as substantive. And many of these were the kinds of measures lawmakers would be hard-pressed to vote against -- for instance, the National Pediatric Research Network Act of 2013, the Homes for Heroes Act of 2013, the Traumatic Brain Injury Reauthorization Act of 2014, the Newborn Screening Saves Lives Reauthorization Act of 2013, the Protecting Students from Sexual and Violent Predators Act and the Human Trafficking Prevention Act.

The remainder of the 55 Democratic-sponsored bills -- a majority -- aren’t exactly the most high-profile measures pending in Congress. Thirteen were technical changes to local federal lands; five approved honorific names for postal or other buildings; four addressed federal studies or advisory committees; three were bills sponsored by a non-voting territorial delegate; three concerned narrow technical corrections to existing legislation; one concerned U.S. coinage; and one was a private bill granting an immigrant visa to an individual.

So House bipartisanship lives, but let’s not oversell it.

Why the numbers don’t tell the whole story

Experts say this bill counting merits a grain of salt. As the breakdown of the 55 Democratic-sponsored bills suggests, many of the measures that pass the House -- and some that go on to pass the Senate -- are noncontroversial bills. Wolfensberger crunched the numbers for us and found that of the 570 bills and joint resolutions that have passed the House in the current Congress, 377, or 74 percent, originated as suspension bills -- a streamlined process used for non-controversial measures that requires two-thirds approval. And of the 142 measures signed into law by Obama, 118, or 83 percent, were approved by that same two-thirds requirement.

Meanwhile, many of the other bills that pass the House in today’s environment are bills that are intended to make a statement, not a law.

Ornstein contrasted bills that are "designed to lay the predicate for action via compromise" or consensus, which are declining, and those "designed for show or as a political statement, where there is neither intention nor expectation that the other house will act on them."

Where substantive, contentious legislation is concerned, the odds of passage are poor. One example is the Senate-passed (and bipartisan) immigration bill, which remains stuck in the House. Another sign is the fact that the Senate has not yet passed any of the 12 annual appropriations bills -- even though the House has passed seven and the Senate Appropriations Committee has approved eight.

By contrast, the second category of "show" bills includes dozens of full or partial repeals of the Affordable Care Act passed by the Republican House.

Sarah Binder, a congressional scholar at the Brookings Institution, said a fundamental reality of today's political landscape is that "the two chambers' majorities have different agendas and priorities and different ideas of what constitutes a 'problem.' And even when the parties agree on the need to address an issue, their prescriptions differ. That complicates the legislative process, and in the current period of high partisanship, it seems most often to bring the legislative process to a halt."

Our ruling

Jenkins said that in the "do-nothing Senate," there are 352 House bills "sitting on Harry Reid’s desk awaiting action," including 55 introduced by Democrats.

In some cases, committee chairs -- not Reid -- may be blocking or moving slowly on these bills. In other cases, senators are working on their own alternative bills on the same topic. Meanwhile, the claim oversells the degree of bipartisanship in the House; a majority of the Democratic-sponsored bills she cites are relatively minor pieces of legislation.

Ultimately, Jenkins places all the blame on the Democrats and the Senate, but experts agree that it takes two to tango. Both parties and chambers have played a role in creating the current legislative dysfunction. On balance, we rate the claim Half True.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:23 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:'Smoking gun' memo links Sen. Jeanne Shaheen in IRS targeting scandal

November 4, 2014







The Daily Caller reported Monday that IRS memos have surfaced hours before the polls open that implicate Sen. Jeanne Shaheen in the IRS targeting scandal. The memos suggest that Shaheen was involved in the IRS operation that targeted conservative groups, delaying their applications for 501(c)(4) groups. The tax agency briefed the senator about the campaign in a memo from IRS Chief Counsel William J. Wilkins, a political appointee of President Obama’s, on April 25, 2012.

Shaheen was part of a group of Democratic senators, including Chuck Schumer of New York and Al Franken of Minnesota, who had sent a letter to the IRS on March 9, 2012 expressing concern about political activities by non-profit groups. The senators asked the tax agency to “immediately change” the enforcement of tax laws against social welfare groups by demanding more elaborate disclosures and setting up a new rule mandating that 51 percent of such a group’s activities be “non-political.” According to Breitbart News, Citizens for a Strong New Hampshire consultant Michael Biundo expressed his outrage at the revelations.

“Despite Citizens for a Strong New Hampshire’s FOIA request, the IRS has continued to stall and illegally ignore deadline after deadline for the past several months in order to delay the release of correspondence between their office and Senator Shaheen and now we know why. On the eve of the midterm elections, a plot between Senator Shaheen, Lois Lerner, and President Barack Obama’s political appointee at the IRS to lead a program of harassment against conservative groups aimed to trample free speech has come to light.“

The memos suggest that Shaheen worked with Lois Lerner, a former IRS official who has been implicated in the scandal, to target conservative groups using the tax code as a weapon. The fact that what seems to be a smoking gun memo only came to light on the eve of Election Day has raised suspicions. Citizens for a Strong New Hampshire and a number of other conservative groups are currently locked in a Freedom of Information Act legal battle with the IRS for more documentation.

Shaheen is engaged in a close contest with Scott Brown, a former Republican senator from Massachusetts. The New Hampshire contest is one of several around which control of the Senate lays in the balance. The polls have Shaheen slightly ahead, but the race is considered a tossup.


This goes all the way up to the very top in my book. Stinkus is completely involved in the IRS scandal, I've known this from day one. It's just a matter of connecting the pieces, which is challenging considering Lerner's computer hard drive being destroyed and other odd happenings.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:02 am

Fact Finder wrote:Did ya hear Moochelle tell Blacks to go and vote Democrat today? She told them that after they go vote Demorat that they could celebrate with some Fried Chicken! :shock:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/04/miche ... democrats/


Man, if a Pubbie had said that all holy hell would break out, but Dems get applauded.


Moochelle's chicken statement should be offensive to blacks who are educated and intelligent. And that's just it, the Democraps know for a fact that their flock (voters supporters, and sympathizers) are not educated or intelligent and they plan to keep it that way.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby conversationpc » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:07 am

Monker wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
JBlake wrote:
It's a total reflection of how the Obama and the current administration has done their job.


Stop. The GOP always loses their collective shit when a Democrat is in office. Nothing is different. Same thing happened under Clinton. If anything, the caustic tone of Obama's presidency was set early on when the GOP stated that "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Pretty much says it all. Policy specifics didn't matter. The fact that the stimulus was 1/3 tax breaks was irrelevant. The fact that Obamacare was designed by the very industry it claimed to regulate was meaningless. The narrative was already set. Still is.


Not just that, but there are quotes from Republican leadership to make it their mission to not allow ANY of Obama's agenda to pass, at any cost.

Even something like Obamacare...so much of it was changed by Democrats compromising, including the public option. And, what did it get them? NOTHING...they did not gain any votes, it did not help the process, the Decmocrats compromising did NOTHING. They should have "forced it down the countries throat," since that is what they are accused of anyway.


You guys complaining about the tactics of the Republicans but not the Democrats and vice versa when they do the exact same thing (they do and they have) are hilarious. I'm beyond that crap...Both parties do it and do it equally well. They do it to each other and then they're out slapping each other on the back and congratulating each other in the local restaurants, pubs, etc, in DC at night when they can laugh with each other about how they're pulling the wool over the eyes of most of the public, regardless of party affiliation. There are FEW good apples in either party and by few, I mean a vast minority. Bitching about the Republicans this or the Democrats that is pointless.

For the first time today, I voted mostly a Libertarian ticket, for ONE Democrat, and ONE Republican...And I still feel sick to my stomach that anyone I voted for is going to make a difference.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:16 am

conversationpc wrote: For the first time today, I voted mostly a Libertarian ticket, for ONE Democrat, and ONE Republican...And I still feel sick to my stomach that anyone I voted for is going to make a difference.


Sounds like a personal problem to me. I voted republican all the way and I feel great that hopefully we can take this country back from the Democraps and back on track to be the great country that it used to be, pre-stinkus.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby conversationpc » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:21 am

JBlake wrote:
conversationpc wrote: For the first time today, I voted mostly a Libertarian ticket, for ONE Democrat, and ONE Republican...And I still feel sick to my stomach that anyone I voted for is going to make a difference.


Sounds like a personal problem to me. I voted republican all the way and I feel great that hopefully we can take this country back from the Democraps and back on track to be the great country that it used to be, pre-stinkus.


The Republicans have led us down the primrose path too often over the last decade or so for me to trust them. There are a few but very few that I like. If you're silly enough to believe the lie that they're going to "take this country back", go ahead and believe them. I hope you're right but the chances are you're not considering recent history.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:26 am

conversationpc wrote:
JBlake wrote:
conversationpc wrote: For the first time today, I voted mostly a Libertarian ticket, for ONE Democrat, and ONE Republican...And I still feel sick to my stomach that anyone I voted for is going to make a difference.


Sounds like a personal problem to me. I voted republican all the way and I feel great that hopefully we can take this country back from the Democraps and back on track to be the great country that it used to be, pre-stinkus.


The Republicans have led us down the primrose path too often over the last decade or so for me to trust them. There are a few but very few that I like. If you're silly enough to believe the lie that they're going to "take this country back", go ahead and believe them. I hope you're right but the chances are you're not considering recent history.


Let me be clear. I didn't hear any of the politicians say "take this country back". I'm the one saying it in this post.

Nothing more I want then to roll up that Stinkus care manual, bend Stinkus over and shove it clean up his ass.....for starters! The republicans take back the senate, I'll get the exact same satisfaction.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:02 am

Image of the Obowelama movement:

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Obowelama movement has been gripping America by the intestines for over the past 6 years. American can release that shit hopefully after tonight.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Arkansas » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:40 pm

I'm just ready for all the bulls#it campaign ads to be over. They're all so out of context on both sides of the fence.

Here's an example. A guy puts on some work clothes & grabs a saw. He goes to local tornado-stricken areas and helps clean-up. He's cutting fallen trees & branches off of a family home. Maybe a photo-opp, but good work. Campaigns come along this year, and all of the sudden this guy is a bad guy. A pic shows him with a chainsaw running and a slight trail of exhaust. The caption? He hates the environment. He cuts down trees and pollutes the air.

Another example. Narrator - Michael Bloomberg is for gun control. He sleeps in a castle while armed guards protect him. <Candidate> supports Bloomberg. (Shows a pic of them shaking hands.) <Candidate> wants to take your guns away. He believes that all the Bloomberg policies are the way YOU should live.

I mean, geez loueeze, there have been millions spent by all the PACs on this crap. Whether you're GOP or a Dem, all this misleading crap has got to stop.


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby conversationpc » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:46 pm

conversationpc wrote:
JBlake wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Sounds like a personal problem to me. I voted republican all the way and I feel great that hopefully we can take this country back from the Democraps and back on track to be the great country that it used to be, pre-stinkus.


The Republicans have led us down the primrose path too often over the last decade or so for me to trust them. There are a few but very few that I like. If you're silly enough to believe the lie that they're going to "take this country back", go ahead and believe them. I hope you're right but the chances are you're not considering recent history.


Let me be clear. I didn't hear any of the politicians say "take this country back". I'm the one saying it in this post.

Nothing more I want then to roll up that Stinkus care manual, bend Stinkus over and shove it clean up his ass.....for starters! The republicans take back the senate, I'll get the exact same satisfaction.


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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:42 pm

conversationpc wrote:You guys complaining about the tactics of the Republicans but not the Democrats and vice versa when they do the exact same thing (they do and they have) are hilarious. I'm beyond that crap...Both parties do it and do it equally well.


The original issue was tone, not tactics. But if you want to discuss tactics..let’s address the fact that under Obama, 82 of his presidential appointments have been filibustered by the GOP. Under all of the previous presidents combined – 86. So the false equivalence argument is a total cop-out. The obstructionism is unprecedented and real. I distinctly recall Bush getting major pieces of his agenda passed with bi-partisan support, the supply side tax cuts and Iraq included.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:44 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:The Republican/Democrat argument is old. Now adays its Liberal Progressive Socialist vs Constitutionalist.

So if today’s Wall Street-indentured Democrats are the progressive socialists, I guess all those earlier Democrats…(y’know, the ones who gave us policies like 90% marginal tax rates, WPA, Social Security, Medicare)… were free market capitalists? As soon as union membership in this country collapsed, the Democratic Party swung corporate, NOT socialist. Tell me, what kind of "socialist" party bails out Wall Street and appoints Timothy Geithner as Fed chair?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:57 pm

JBlake wrote:Moochelle's chicken statement should be offensive to blacks who are educated and intelligent.


Michelle went to Princeton AND Harvard. Sounds pretty smart to me. Just who are you to tell a black woman what is appropriate to say about her OWN race?

JBlake wrote:And that's just it, the Democraps know for a fact that their flock (voters supporters, and sympathizers) are not educated or intelligent and they plan to keep it that way.


Is that why Conservatives routinely bash higher education and slam colleges as useless indoctrination centers? I think we know which party is truly afraid of having an informed electorate.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby steveo777 » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:43 pm

It is done. Bu-bye, asshole Harry. My prediction is that now Obama is going to become even more of a tyrant. He's now truly alone, so expect him to act like a bratty little rebel.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:29 pm

conversationpc wrote:...And I still feel sick to my stomach that anyone I voted for is going to make a difference.


Your not alone in that feeling. What we are witnessing is all just for show. Like a shell game being operated by a street hustler. Behind closed doors they are all on the same page.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:42 pm

steveo777 wrote:It is done. Bu-bye, asshole Harry. My prediction is that now Obama is going to become even more of a tyrant. He's now truly alone, so expect him to act like a bratty little rebel.


He's already said that if the Republicans take the Senate that he has no plans of changing course or backing down from what he wants to come to pass. So in other words, nothing really will change. Except that B.O. and the liberal left will amplify that Republicans are evil and obstructionists. All that has happened is they have rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:21 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
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steveo777 wrote:It is done. Bu-bye, asshole Harry. My prediction is that now Obama is going to become even more of a tyrant. He's now truly alone, so expect him to act like a bratty little rebel.


He's already said that if the Republicans take the Senate that he has no plans of changing course or backing down from what he wants to come to pass. So in other words, nothing really will change. Except that B.O. and the liberal left will amplify that Republicans are evil and obstructionists. All that has happened is they have rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic.


He's not in charge. He can't hold Bills hostage. He has a MINORITY vote. I'd call that a change.


He hasn't lost his ability to veto bills put before him. While things may pass more easily from Congress to the Senate, it doesn't change his veto powers.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby AR » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:31 am

Very surprising to see my home state of Maryland go red in the Governor's Mansion. The previous administration raised taxes 47 times in 8 years and the electorate was fed up.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:33 am

Battenfeld: GOP rout a referendum... on Obama

Voters sent a clear signal they were unhappy with Obama and Democratic incumbents in general.


Actually, I think the voters were sending the message that they are fed up with the whole lot in Washington. Not just B.O. and the Democrats.. From the exit poll coverage I heard that is what people were saying. Staunch Republicans may want to believe that it was just B.O. and the Democrats. But, they are just kidding themselves.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:22 am

First steps in getting this country back on track:

1) Remove Reid and much, if not all of his special staff.
2) Initiate, plan, execute, monitor & control impeachment proceedings.
3) Kill Stinkuscare dead in it's tracks.
4) Throw Lerner in prison, toss the key and bar her for life from voting and/or holding public office.
5) Remove all politicians, reference Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (s) documents, from office who were involved with the IRS targeting and ban them for life from politics and voting.
6) Intensify the investigation into the IRS targeting scandal, looking at pay, bonus, promotion and performance evaluation records, following the "money" shall lead to the offenders.

Fast track this stuff and get it done in as little of time as possible so we can then move on to getting this country back to good health and great strength. The 6 listed above are the first steps in doing so.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:06 am

Fact Finder wrote:berry won obola, June 2014: ""I don't really care to be president without the Senate."

You can hit the road jack, as Howard Fineman said last night, "the Obama era is over."

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Like I said yesterday, the Obowelama movement that has gripped America by the intestines over the past 6 years has finally been released.

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