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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:35 am

The Republicans’ Unprecedented Obstructionism By The Numbers
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"Congressional historians said Mr. Boehner's move was unprecedented." A month before Senate Republicans blocked Barack Obama’s popular jobs bill, that’s how the New York Times described Speaker John Boehner's refusal to grant the President's

"Congressional historians said Mr. Boehner's move was unprecedented." A month before Senate Republicans blocked Barack Obama’s popular jobs bill, that’s how the New York Times described Speaker John Boehner's refusal to grant the President's request for a September 7 address to joint session of Congress to present the American Jobs Act. As it turns out, "unprecedented" is apt description for almost every boulder in the stone wall of Republican obstructionism Barack Obama has faced from the moment he took the oath of office. From the GOP's record-setting use of the filibuster and its united front against Obama's legislative agenda to blocking judicial nominees and its admitted hostage-taking of the U.S. debt ceiling, the Republican Party has broken new ground in its perpetual quest to ensure that Barack Obama will be a one-term president.

Even before Barack Obama took the oath office, Republicans leaders, conservative think-tanks and right-wing pundits were calling for total obstruction of the new president's agenda. Bill Kristol, who helped block Bill Clinton's health care reform attempt in 1993, called for history to repeat on the Obama stimulus - and everything else. Pointing with pride to the Clinton economic program which received exactly zero GOP votes in either House, Kristol in January 2009 advised:

"That it made, that it made it so much easier to then defeat his health care initiative. So, it's very important for Republicans who think they're going to have to fight later on health care, fight later on maybe on some of the bank bailout legislation, fight later on on all kinds of issues."

And so, as the chart above reveals, it came to pass.

Time after time, President Obama could count the votes he received from Congressional Republicans on the fingers (usually the middle one) of one hand. The expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) to four million more American kids earned the backing of a whopping eight GOP Senators. (One of them, Arlen Specter, later became a Democrat.) Badly needed Wall Street reform eventually overcame GOP filibusters to pass with the support of just three Republicans in the House and Senate, respectively. Last summer, it took 50 days for President Obama to get past Republican filibusters of extended unemployment benefits and the Small Business Jobs Act. As for the DISCLOSE Act, legislation designed to limit the torrent of secret campaign cash unleashed by the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling, in September Republican Senators prevented it from ever coming to a vote.

The one-way street that is bipartisanship in Washington was most clearly on display during each party's attempts to pass tax cuts and economic stimulus. While some turncoat Democrats (like debt super committee member Max Baucus) helped Reagan and Bush sell their supply-side snake oil, Republicans were determined to torpedo new Democratic presidents:
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Consider the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act now credited with saving up to three millions jobs and preventing what McCain economic adviser Mark Zandi called "Depression 2.0." Obama's margins in the passage of the final $787 billion conference bill were almost unchanged from the earlier versions produced by the House and Senate. Despite then Minority Whip Eric Cantor's earlier claim that Obama's bipartisan outreach was a "very efficient process," the President was shut out again by Republicans in the House. In the Senate, the stimulus actually lost ground, as Ted Kennedy's absence and the no-vote of aborted Commerce Secretary Judd Gregg made the final tally 60-38. So much for Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's January 2009 statement that the Obama stimulus proposal "could well have broad Republican appeal."

(If that all-out Republican obstructionism sounds familiar, it should. When Clinton's 1993 economic program scraped by without capturing the support of even one GOP lawmaker, the New York Times remarked, "Historians believe that no other important legislation, at least since World War II, has been enacted without at least one vote in either house from each major party.")

Sadly, President Obama's obsession with bipartisan consensus only served to produce more political masochism when it came to his health care initiative. In the House, exactly one Republican voted for a health care reform bill which first passed by a 220-215 margin. Contrary to John McCain's mythology that in the Senate, there had been "no effort that I know of -- of serious across the table negotiations," Obama repeatedly reached out to GOP Senators like Olympia Snowe and left the writing of the Senate health bill to the bipartisan "Gang of Six." For that, President Obama only got what Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) called a "holy war" - and zero Republican votes.

But if Barack Obama's legislative agenda ran into endless Republican obstacles in Congress, his judicial nominees hit a brick wall. The same Republicans who decried the judicial filibuster and demanded an "up or down vote" for President Bush's selections to the federal bench have stymied Obama's choices at a record rate.

Citing research by the Alliance for Justice, in June ThinkProgress reported:

[T]he Senate confirmed fewer of [Obama's] district and circuit nominees than every president back to Jimmy Carter, and the lowest percentage of nominees - 58% - than any president in American history at this point in a President's first term. By comparison, Presidents George W. Bush, Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Reagan and Carter had 77%, 90%, 96%, 98%, and 97% of their nominees confirmed after two years, respectively.

Senate Republicans' mass obstruction of Obama's judges stands in stark contrast to the treatment afforded to past presidents. Indeed, the Senate confirmed fewer judges during Obama's first two years in office than it did during the same period in the Carter Administration, even though the judiciary was 40 percent smaller while Carter was in office.
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As dismal as that record is, it's actually an improvement from a year earlier, when only 43& of President Obama's judicial appointments had been confirmed:
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Not content that federal judges are now retiring at twice the rate that replacements are being confirmed, Congressional Republicans headed off to their five-week August recess without taking action on 20 Obama judicial nominees (16 of them approved unanimously by the Judiciary Committee). As ThinkProgress also noted, the rapidly growing caseload for the under-sized federal judiciary means that "even if all judicial vacancies were filled, we'd still need more judges." It's no wonder Chief Justice John Roberts - certainly no friend of Barack Obama and the Democracy Party - urged action to address "the persistent problem of judicial vacancies."

Republican obstructionism hasn't merely destroyed the nominations of judicial standouts like Goodwin Liu, who this week assumed his new position on the Supreme Court of California. High profile Obama administration nominees like Dawn Johnson and Peter Diamond, the latter a Nobel Prize-winning economist, never saw the light of day in the Senate. And having already dissuaded President Obama from choosing Elizabeth Warren to head the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau created by Congress last year, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announced that the GOP would block any and all comers put forward by the White House:

"It's not sexist. It's not Elizabeth Warren-specific," McConnell spokesman Donald Stewart said. "It's any nominee."

Just to be on the safe side, Republicans maneuvered to ensure that President Obama could make no recess appointments during the current Congressional recess.

As Ian Millhiser reported in April, Republicans blocked scores of Obama nominees over matters large and small. Often, very small:

Following in the footsteps of Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), who placed a hold on over 70 of President Obama's nominees last year in order to extort tens of billions of dollars worth of pork for his state, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) threw a similar tantrum yesterday over a mere $50,000. Graham (R-SC) promised to shut down all executive branch and judicial confirmations in the Senate until he gets $50,000 to conduct a study on deepening the Port of Charleston.

Since House Republicans assumed their new House majority in January 2011, President Obama's agenda has been effectively shut down. But even before their successful hostage-taking of the federal budget and U.S. debt ceiling, Senate Republicans for years had been shattering filibuster records to stop Democratic legislation dead in its tracks.

As it turns out, the Roadblock Republicans started their work when Democrats recaptured the Senate in 2007, only to redouble their efforts when Barack Obama walked into the Oval Office in 2009.
Back in 2007, former Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott explained the successful Republican strategy for derailing the new Democratic majorities in the House and Senate:

"The strategy of being obstructionist can work or fail. So far it's working for us."

And the Republicans of the 110th Congress were just getting warmed up. The Senate GOP hadn't merely shattered the previous records for filibusters. As McClatchy reported in February 2010, the Republicans of the 111th Congress vowed to block virtually everything, counting on voters to blame Democrats for the GOP's own roadblocks:
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As even Robert Samuelson (no friend of Democrats) acknowledged, "From 2003 to 2006, when Republicans controlled the Senate, they filed cloture 130 times to break Democratic filibusters. Since 2007, when Democrats took charge, they've filed 257 cloture motions." The Senate's own records reveal obstructionism is the new normal for Republicans:
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The Republicans didn't merely eviscerate the old mark for cloture motions and filibusters after their descent into the minority in 2007. As Paul Krugman detailed, the GOP's obstructionism has fundamentally altered how the Senate does - or more accurately, doesn't do - business:

The political scientist Barbara Sinclair has done the math. In the 1960s, she finds, "extended-debate-related problems" -- threatened or actual filibusters -- affected only 8 percent of major legislation. By the 1980s, that had risen to 27 percent. But after Democrats retook control of Congress in 2006 and Republicans found themselves in the minority, it soared to 70 percent.

Earlier this year, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow put those numbers of threatened or actual filibusters into an easy-to-read chart so simple that even John McCain could understand it:
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By the time Congressional Republicans brought the United States to the brink of default over the nation's $14.3 trillion debt ceiling last month, GOP obstructionism had become the new normal. But even that gambit was unprecedented. While members of both parties (including then-Senator Obama in 2006) have historically cast symbolic votes against a debt ceiling increase to protest the majority's agenda, never in recent times has the majority itself had the power to block a boost in the America's borrowing authority. If anyone had any lingering doubts that the Republican Party and its Tea Party hardliners were responsible for the recent downgrading of the U.S. credit rating, S&P itself left no doubt on the matter:

A Standard & Poor's director said for the first time Thursday that one reason the United States lost its triple-A credit rating was that several lawmakers expressed skepticism about the serious consequences of a credit default -- a position put forth by some Republicans. Without specifically mentioning Republicans, S&P senior director Joydeep Mukherji said the stability and effectiveness of American political institutions were undermined by the fact that "people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default," Mukherji said. "That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority, is something notable," he added. "This kind of rhetoric is not common amongst AAA sovereigns."

Especially among ones who are responsible for most of the debt now facing the country.
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Leave aside for the moment that small government icon Ronald Reagan tripled the national debt and signed 17 debt ceiling increases into law. (That might explain why the Gipper repeatedly demanded Congress boost his borrowing authority and called the oceans of red ink he bequeathed to America his greatest regret.) As it turns out, Republican majorities voted seven times to raise the debt ceiling under President Bush and the current GOP leadership team voted a combined 19 times to bump the debt limit $4 trillion during his tenure. (That vote tally included a "clean" debt ceiling increase in 2004, backed by 98 current House Republicans and 31 sitting GOP Senators.)

Of course, they had to. After all, the two unfunded wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the budget-busting Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 (the first war-time tax cut in modern U.S. history) and the Medicare prescription drug program drained the U.S. Treasury. Mitch McConnell, John Boehner and Eric Cantor voted for all of it.

That's why Eric Cantor's July statement is so laughable:

"I don't think the White House understands is how difficult it is for fiscal conservatives to say they're going to vote for a debt ceiling increase."

Just not when a Republican is in the White House. As Vice Cheney famously put it in 2002, "Reagan proved deficits don't matter." But now that a Democrat is sitting in the Oval Office, Republicans have had a change of heart -and tactics. Now, GOP obstructionism and brinksmanship is not only routine. It's unprecedented.

Of course, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has a different explanation for the failure of the American Jobs Act and so much else of Obama’s agenda to budge the Republicans’ immovable object in Congress. What Team Obama only now calls sabotage, McConnell pretends, instead is all the President’s fault:

“[T]hat’s their explicit strategy — to make people believe that Congress can’t get anything done.

“And how do you make sure of it? By proposing legislation you know the other side won’t support — even when there’s an entire menu of bipartisan proposals the President could choose to pursue instead. The President can govern as though this is the congress he wants or he can deal with the congress he has. Along the first path lies gridlock and along the second lies the kind of legislative progress Americans want. And as for Republicans, well, we’ve been crystal clear from the outset that we prefer the latter route.”
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:37 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Blah blah blah. In other words, you can't name a single Libertarian policy success. Meanwhile you attack the crown jewel of Democratic policies, Social Security, which eliminated nationwide poverty for our seniors and has been around for nearly one hundred years.


Blah, blah, blah, Crown jewel, blah blah. Doesn't change the fact that the program is not going to be sustainable. BTW, what's your answer to raising the retirement age to solve the problem. Is it 75, 80 or higher?
Democrats would like nothing better then to have people on public assistance. It's much easier to get them to vote for them when they know their the ones that like to pass out the free money. It's not the support of the elderly that is the problem. It's SSI and to some extent SSD that is the real problem. These programs provide endless financial support. It shouldn't be that way. There should be a maximum limit to assistance and once you reach it, that's all you get. It is not the responsibility of the government to financially support it's citizens indefinitely. That is what is happening here. So keep on looking for your Ameritopia. Your not going to find it.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:46 am

Boomchild wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Blah blah blah. In other words, you can't name a single Libertarian policy success. Meanwhile you attack the crown jewel of Democratic policies, Social Security, which eliminated nationwide poverty for our seniors and has been around for nearly one hundred years.


Blah, blah, blah, Crown jewel, blah blah. Doesn't change the fact that the program is not going to be sustainable. BTW, what's your answer to raising the retirement age to solve the problem. Is it 75, 80 or higher?
Democrats would like nothing better then to have people on public assistance. It's much easier to get them to vote for them when they know their the ones that like to pass out the free money. It's not the support of the elderly that is the problem. It's SSI and to some extent SSD that is the real problem. These programs provide endless financial support. It shouldn't be that way. There should be a maximum limit to assistance and once you reach it, that's all you get. It is not the responsibility of the government to financially support it's citizens indefinitely. That is what is happening here. So keep on looking for your Ameritopia. Your not going to find it.

I will say 70 to start.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:22 am

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Monker, did any of those Bills not pass because of Republicans? Looks like Democrats had enough to get them through to me. What was obstructed?


You are clueless. Read the article. EVERYTHING for the first two years of Obama's presidency was obstructed. It was obstructed by order of Republican leadership in both the House and Senate.

My point was Republicans were told to go sit in the corner and shut up, and they were.


Republicans were told by their leadership to not to vote for or support any legislation that Obama wanted to pass. The obsession with obstruction even spread to appointments.

If they were told to sit in the corner and shut up, good. IMO, Cantor and McConnell should face treason charges for what they did at such a pivotal point in this nation's history. They put their party's needs above the country's.

You would think that a party that prides itself on patriotism would do what is right for the country at a time when the economy collapsed and industries were failing, Fuck that, we need control of congress - at any cost. No effort to come together and legislate. Every effort to obstruct anything Obama wanted.

That is what happened. The whiney Republican baby's should go pout in a corner - that is what they are best at doing anyway.

This last election, Republicans ran on one thing, STOP OBAMA. Nothing more, nothing less.


I really don't know if that is true or not because I don't think it matters who controls congress. So, now it is the Democrat's turn to do what Republican's proved works and the party is rewarded for - obstructing everything McConnel and Boenher want to get done. Congress is now officially irrelevant to me.

However, you don't know why people voted the way they did. It's all just guesswork.

I'm seeing in the news today that Harry and Barack are having a lovers tiff. Barry better kiss a little ass, Harry might just talk


Blah, blah, blah....a meaningless political blame game. I doubt the crap you are saying is true and Harry will say nothing of the sort.

Hillary won't win.


yeah, right...and how many times did FF say that Obama would not be reelected? Countless.

Benghazi is going to be all over her when she becomes a candidate.


LOL...go ahead...I hope they do push that issue and keep pushing it and pushing it...because nobody cares and people want REAL solutions to the REAL problems. This is part of the reason you lost the last two elections...the Republican party is out of touch with what the majority of the American people feel are the real problems facing the country.

Republicans need to step it up also.


Republican need a real leader and to stop being a party ofa bunch of whiney babies.

Democrats can lead, just with bad ideas. Socialism will fail. Always has, always will. Denmark too in time.


Well, I'm glad the true socialists in the country completely condemn Democratic policies then. NOTHING Obama has done is "socialism"...that is an invented political LIE that your opinionators like to put out there.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:45 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:TNC, I keep my word. I ordered that book on Amazon tonight. Should have it in about three days.

Cool. Let me know what you think KC. The coauthor is from the American Enterprise Institute so I thought it was pretty fair and balanced. Both authors complained that nobody in the mainstream media would put them on the air. I am not a huge fan of Horowitz but if you have any other reading recommendations let me know. Michael Savage has a new one out. Tho I consider him strictly entertainment.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:48 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:How about a little IRS news?

IRS Didn't Even Look for Lerner's Missing Emails


Wow, that's a shocker! :D That's like asking a common criminal to hand over evidence to help prosecute them. Although, hasn't someone supposedly been able to obtain her emails already?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:51 pm

Fact Finder wrote:I forget who said they had a Cadillac Health Plan, TNC or Monker, anyways, enjoy it while you can.

You're gonna pay for that-Obamacare's Cadillac Tax


http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/insuranc ... ar-AA7BO72


If this news makes them ill, at least they should have good HC coverage to get treatment for it! 8)
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:01 am

Nobody cares. Rush talked about it months ago...and nobody cared then either. Well, nobody cares except you.

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Trey Gowdy Takes on Obamacare Architect For Lying to "Stupid" Americans
Katie Pavlich | Nov 12, 2014



Last night on The Kelly File, South Carolina Congressman Trey Gowdy made an appearance to address comments made by Obamacare architect and MIT professor Jonathan Gruber in 2013 about the deliberate "tortuous" language used to mislead "stupid" Americans about the healthcare overhaul in order to get it through Congress.

"I can't get past the irony to get to the arrogance. The most transparent administration since the continent shifted had to rely on artifice and deception to pass its signature piece of legislation, you can't make that up. He had to lie to people and then he justified it so I can't even get past the irony of that to get to the arrogance of him calling our fellow Americans stupid," Gowdy said. "I would say to the professor... you want to see how stupid the American citizens are take a look at last Tuesday night because they rejected you, this bill and this administration."

"He just proved that he is willing to lie. He's willing to lie because he has the arrogance of thinking that he knows what is best for this country and the citizens and voters do not, so keep that in mind the next time anybody tries to sell you on a big piece of legislation by calling this comprehensive," Gowdy continued, adding that he'd like to see someone from the administration apologize for what Gruber said. "They lied, they got away with it and they got the bill that they wanted."

During the show, host Megyn Kelly pointed out that the Obama administration presented Gruber as an "honest broker" to the American people when Obamacare was being debated and eventually passed in 2010. She also ran through a list of examples of how many times Gruber visited the White House and his extensive relationship with President Obama as a top advisor and architect of the law.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:04 am

Getting a good laugh out of what is coming out about what Jonathan Gruber's been saying. He's hit the nail on the head with regards to the intelligence of democraps and the deal with Obamacare. The greatest part of it is, it's like Wayne Newton's character in the movie The Adventures of Ford Fairlane, but instead of music it is democrap politics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZftMcw6JAg
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:20 am

Fact Finder wrote:We'll lookee what I just got in the mail, my 2015 re-up for my Humana ACA plan. My increase is a whopping $80 a month over last years premium. Thank You Monker, TNC and all of you StoOpid American Voters! A thousand FUCKING dollars a year, yeah, like I can just shit that! :evil:

FUCK YOU!


The only individuals who benefit from ACA are those who lack initiative to live a healthy life style and earn an adequate income. Basically those considered to be unemployed couch potatoes whose schedule is waking up in the afternoon, hanging out at various drive thru restaurant parking lots all night and have medical expenses to reflect this life style with no money out of their pockets to pay for it.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:53 am

Dingbat Pelosi is now saying she doesn't even know Jonathan Gruber. So entertaining watching all these Democraps trying to jump through their assholes on all this stuff that is going sour for them.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:45 am

Fact Finder wrote:
JBlake wrote:Dingbat Pelosi is now saying she doesn't even know Jonathan Gruber. So entertaining watching all these Democraps trying to jump through their assholes on all this stuff that is going sour for them.


Lying witch has already been busted in that lie, took the net trolls about 5 minutes to expose her bullshit.


http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4514604/n ... r-analysis


Well that video pretty much sums it up.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:40 am

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The pic on that page, taken what....50 years ago?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:55 am

Fact Finder wrote:We'll lookee what I just got in the mail, my 2015 re-up for my Humana ACA plan. My increase is a whopping $80 a month over last years premium. Thank You Monker, TNC and all of you StoOpid American Voters! A thousand FUCKING dollars a year, yeah, like I can just shit that! :evil:

FUCK YOU!


I know it's a Republican's instinct to be a whiny baby. But, instead of whining and pouting about it, why don't you take responsibility for it and get a high deductible plan with an HSA. You will save yourself a tone of money...I already told you that, months ago.

And, the note above...I'm super happy to hear Obamacare seems to want to direct people to those same plans. It is better for everybody. I was told, while W. was still in office that high deductible plans with an HSA were the future...and it is even more true now.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:02 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:You know Monker, you didn't surprise me at all with your response. This is proof Obama and all of them lied through their teeth to get what they wanted, control of 1/3 of the economy, and counted on "stupid voters" like yourself to do it. And that's no big deal to you. Very telling. :roll:


No, it's proof that the Republicans now control congress and want to renew the Obamacare debate. Pretty sad, really.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:31 pm

Fact Finder wrote:We'll lookee what I just got in the mail, my 2015 re-up for my Humana ACA plan. My increase is a whopping $80 a month over last years premium. Thank You Monker, TNC and all of you StoOpid American Voters! A thousand FUCKING dollars a year, yeah, like I can just shit that! :evil:

FUCK YOU!


Oh wait a minute. This cannot be because of Obamacare. It must be that Humana does not know how to run their business. There is no point in bringing this type of thing up with supporters of Obamacare. They will find any excuse to explain it is not the fault of Obamacare. Besides, it doesn't matter since it seems that this administration and the people hired to help craft it's legislation know what's better for America the you or anybody else does.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:39 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Look at this...

On Pelosi's Speaker Website posted above, her "Fact" is that "Gruber says the law will lower premiums for millions of Americans."

yet, in an article in the WashPost Gruber says, ""The law isn't designed to save money. It's designed to improve health, and that's going to cost money," Gruber said.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/pel ... 18974.html


These people put Muslims to shame with their lying for the cause bullshit. Damn near Tar and Feathers time. :evil:


So in other words just like B.O.'s statement that "if you like your health coverage, you can keep it". His other statement that Obamacare "will save the average family $2500/yr in healthcare premiums" is also a lie.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:03 am

Fact Finder wrote:BTW, you guys told us that 32 million people would become newly insured, yet today we learn that only 9.2 million people will be signed up this year. Would you say your projections were wrong?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/09/ ... -uninsured


This is an example of why I don't believe much of what you guys say. That is NOT what that article said.

You are comparing two different things the total number of people who would gain insurance and the total number of people in the exchanges. These are also all ESTIMATES, not promises.

The article estimates 24 million people covered by the exchanges, when fully implemented. With so much still in flux, the coming court case, for example...I really don't consider it 'fully implemented''. Even so, it does seem a little high...but not as much as you want it to be...and I don't think it matters much anyway.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:16 am

Monker wrote:
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This is an example of why I don't believe much of what you guys say. That is NOT what that article said.

You are comparing two different things the total number of people who would gain insurance and the total number of people in the exchanges. These are also all ESTIMATES, not promises.

The article estimates 24 million people covered by the exchanges, when fully implemented. With so much still in flux, the coming court case, for example...I really don't consider it 'fully implemented''. Even so, it does seem a little high...but not as much as you want it to be...and I don't think it matters much anyway.


In what twisted world do you live in when I post a direct link to the White House and their take on Healthcare and you try to claim it's something I said? :roll: Good grief this is why it's so frustrating debating you. It was the White House, specifically the POTUS who promised these things. 30 million new insured, $2500 savings, keep your doctor, keep your plan, and on and on, now revealed as lie after lie after lie and now apparently confirmed by Mr. Gruber as planned that way in order to get it passed. What part of this don't you understand?


He's just grasping for straws FF, he's in complete denial and trying to find any angle he can to justify his biasness. And in the process he gets confused as to what is what. Plain and simple. All the yahoo's on this forum who are pro BO, pro ACA, pro Democrap, they all just got kicked square in the crotch by their own team leaders i.e. "stupid voters passed it" comments. Plain and simple, even their leaders know their voter base are morons.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:53 am

Fact Finder wrote:[
In what twisted world do you live in when I post a direct link to the White House and their take on Healthcare and you try to claim it's something I said?


YOU compared the "30 million new insured" with the 9 million in the exchanges. These are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS. That 30 million includes things like Medicare expansion and young adults being carried under their parents insurance until age 25 - IN ADDITION TO who is signed up in the exchanges. So, OF COURSE, that 30 million is going to be way too high.

That is why I do not believe anything you guys say. You don't even READ THE ARTICLES YOU LINK TO. I did read it and found your comparison completely invalid and corrected you to the 22 million...WHICH I SAID DOES SEEM HIGH.

What part of this don't you understand?


The part where you compare apples to oranges...and don't even realize it.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:19 am

Fact Finder wrote:Just for good measure, and stressing that HHS said this and not me. :D

11/10/14

Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) on Monday projected that up to 9.9 million people would be enrolled in ObamaCare in 2015, millions fewer than Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates.


It's not like a projected 9.9 million are enrolling simply because it's a good thing, but more so because most are forced to do so or face getting penalized in way of a tax forfeit at the end of the year when filing their annual taxes.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:57 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
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K.C.Journey Fan wrote:"The mouth that keeps on giving." :lol:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11 ... -for-dems/


Isn't that nice..

"The dirty secret in Massachusetts is the feds paid for our bill, okay?" he said. "In Massachusetts we had a very powerful senator you may know named Ted Kennedy. ... Ted Kennedy and smart people in Massachusetts had basically figured out a way to sort of rip off the feds for about 400 million dollars a year."



What a clan those Dead Kennedy's were, a real Camelot type bunch, really. :roll:


I can't wait for Trey Gowdy to drag his ass up on the Hill. He's on record and can't lie his way out. Obama's ass is getting warm. And Obama's big defense shield is leaving him, Holder and Ried. Harry may have a good laugh from his back seat.


Yeah, it's going to be getting better and better. But as soon as Jonathan Gruber starts throwing out names of who in the democrap upper management team he was talking with and the juicy details about who said what about how stupid the voter's are, he's going to mysteriously end up pulling a Marilyn Monroe and not wake up, or even a Vince Foster with a bullet to the dome. Either way, dead men don't talk, and for Stinkus' and crew, the sooner the better....for them.

Jonathan and Stinkus fired up some skunkweed and got good and ripped so they could figure out what their voter base would and would not believe. Called being pot stupid. Democraps are either pot stupid, other substance stupid or are just born that way.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:41 am

Fact Finder wrote:At least one lib gets it...

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Next thing you know a tape is going to surface with Stinkus quoting to Gruber: "Who's ever paying you......I'll double it".
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:18 am

BRISBANE, Australia — President Barack Obama denied Sunday that his signature health care reform law was deceptively marketed, rejecting statements by a consultant on the plan who said aspects of Obamacare were designed to take advantage of the “stupidity” of voters.



“The fact that an adviser who was never on our staff expressed an opinion that I completely disagree with in terms of the voters is not a reflection on the actual process that was run,” Obama declared at a press conference here, speaking for the first time about the comments by MIT economist Jonathan Gruber.When the president was asked whether he had intentionally misled the public in order to get the law passed, he replied: “No. I did not.”


I love when a politician gets asked a question like this. As if he would ever say "Yes I did". Makes you wonder if a politician has ever admitted to lying to the public.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:48 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:The "Stupid Voters" are getting restless.

http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-immigratio ... 23803.html


You know your country is screwed when state or federal legislators want to give benefits or privileges to people who have broken the law and make their stay here easier.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:55 pm

Fact Finder wrote:also, another clip of berrys quote today shows him saying about Goober.."I just heard about this." Yeah right! :D


This has got to be one of the most used responses by a President past and present. When it's in response to something that has exploded in the media, I do not know how they would expect anyone to believe it. Oh wait, we're all just stupid. Now it makes sense. 8)
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:27 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Earth moving into 30 year COLD SPELL.

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/dark- ... id/607672/


Yeah, all that hot air the Democraps have been blowing out their fucking pie holes came to a screeching holt last November 4th combined with Gruber's comments about their stupidity. Biden jinxed it for them when he said that hell would freeze over before republicans regain control of the senate. Well hell has froze over and we're feeling a little bit of the cold back here on earth. Plus another kick to the democraps genitals is Gruber. Gruber isn't the only one who knows how stupid they are. Any democrap who doesn't think Pelosi, Holder, Stinkus, Hillary & Bill, Biden, Gore, and all the rest of the shit Demorap upper management thinks the same about them as Gruber does are just plain suck-hard stupid. Makes perfect sense to me.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:33 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Well, we know that if the New York Time writes it, it must be the definitive story on any subject, right TNC?

Quote? I don't recall every saying that. I still think NYTimes is a great resource. Do they occasionally run a liberal op-ed? Sure. Is all of their coverage slanted politically? No, I don't agree with that. And of course, Judith Miller famously used the Times to run bogus WMD stories. The Times also sat on the NSA story until after Bush’s re-election. Why would a “liberal” paper do that?
Fact Finder wrote:So, keeping that in mind, the NYT has not only thrown little berry under the bus, but they kept backing it up and pulling it forward multiple times. berry better put some ice on this one... :shock:

This isn’t throwing Obama “under the bus.” It’s simply reporting the facts. The way it should be.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:56 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Ya, but at this point, Democrats have to throw Obama under the bus. At least if they want a shot at 2016.

I'm discussing the newsroom at the NYTimes, not Democrats. Tho I imagine you guys think that is one and the same. You are probably correct, KC. Hillary will try to distance herself, even tho she is actually advancing the same EXACT agenda as O. If anything, Hillary will try to sound like a hawk and pro-business. Other Dem candidates (like, maybe, Elizbeth Warren) will run to the left of Obama.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:39 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Well, we know that if the New York Time writes it, it must be the definitive story on any subject, right TNC? So, keeping that in mind, the NYT has not only thrown little berry under the bus, but they kept backing it up and pulling it forward multiple times. berry better put some ice on this one... :shock:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/us/by ... .html?_r=0

The president insisted over the weekend that he had not changed his position. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: my sides!


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