President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Monker]

I haven't had a change in my benefits, or the cost of insurance in three years, including this year..

If this is totally the truth, then you are in a very select minority. I am not buying this statement. Even those with Medicare\Medicare Advantage coverage have seen increases over this time frame. If you have an employer sponsored plan it could be that your employer is absorbing the premium increases which is not typical. If not and your premium hasn't gone up then I am willing to bet the benefits, deductibles or co-pays has changed in some way. Typically most people encounter premium increases and\or changes in benefits, deductibles and co-pays within the time period stated. Without details and specifics it very easy to make a claim such as this.

Maybe you forget that I am on a high deductible, HSA, plan. NOTHING has changed. Raising the deductible would be pointless because it is already very high. The coverage is exactly the same. The employer contribution to the HSA is exactly the same. In fact, it was announced late last year that for the third straight year there is no change in their health plans.

The high deductible plans save money - FOR EVERYBODY. Therefore, the more employees that switch to those plans, the less the company had to pay for premiums, and there is less (no) pressure to raise premiums or look to change the offered plans in any way.

You are simply WRONG.

And, if you look back to the news when the exchanges first opened - a LOT of plans actually LOWERED their premiums. So, assuming everybody is paying higher premiums or whatever is just showing you are living in a conservative bubble where reality does not trump the propaganda.



Some went up, some went down...assuming it has to be one way or the other is biased stupidity and political games.

[Boomchild]

Maybe you forget that I am on a high deductible, HSA, plan. NOTHING has changed. Raising the deductible would be pointless because it is already very high. The coverage is exactly the same. The employer contribution to the HSA is exactly the same. In fact, it was announced late last year that for the third straight year there is no change in their health plans.

The high deductible plans save money - FOR EVERYBODY. Therefore, the more employees that switch to those plans, the less the company had to pay for premiums, and there is less (no) pressure to raise premiums or look to change the offered plans in any way.

You are simply WRONG.

And, if you look back to the news when the exchanges first opened - a LOT of plans actually LOWERED their premiums. So, assuming everybody is paying higher premiums or whatever is just showing you are living in a conservative bubble where reality does not trump the propaganda.



Some went up, some went down...assuming it has to be one way or the other is biased stupidity and political games.

The premium rates for a broad amount of plans have gone up since the launch of ACA. The insurance companies announced that they were raising the premiums. You can't just base it on high deductible plans as if that is the plan that most Americans are on. People are speaking out about their own personal experiences which is not propaganda.

Obamacare premiums soar as much as 78% to help cover ‘essential health benefits’
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

[Boomchild]

America’s First Islamic Government: A Muslim Only City-State on American Soil?
09/11/2014 by D. Acheson
Islamberg NY signArticle appeared on Christian Action Network. Article is courtesy of christianaction.org
Yes. The headline may be hard to believe. But it is correct. America’s first Islamic government has been established, sitting on American soil. Located in Hancock, NY, this Islamic town is right there for anyone to… well, not actually for anyone to see.

I'm wondering if this is any different from any other separatist or religious groups that have their own private compound or communities here in the U.S.. Such as some Mormon groups or neo Nazi groups. As long as they are not breaking laws, supporting or funding terrorism groups they have the right to live as they choose on private property.

[Monker]

The premium rates for a broad amount of plans have gone up since the launch of ACA. The insurance companies announced that they were raising the premiums. You can't just base it on high deductible plans as if that is the plan that most Americans are on. People are speaking out about their own personal experiences which is not propaganda.

I never denied that. What YOU are denying is the FACT that some also went down. I believe you said that if I was telling the truth about my situation that I was a very rare case. It's simply not. Funny how you only listen to those who whine and complain, and completely dismiss the other side...even when the raw facts are right in front of you. You believe what you are told to believe, as in that article you posted, and refuse to even consider the full picture.

[Boomchild]

I never denied that. What YOU are denying is the FACT that some also went down. I believe you said that if I was telling the truth about my situation that I was a very rare case. It's simply not. Funny how you only listen to those who whine and complain, and completely dismiss the other side...even when the raw facts are right in front of you. You believe what you are told to believe, as in that article you posted, and refuse to even consider the full picture.

Right, you were just trying to make a case that on average the premium rates were not going up. They are. Maybe not for those on a plan that has a very high deductible. But it won't be the insurance companies paying the price in those cases, it will be the individual. At the outset B.O. told Americans that Obamacare would save the average American family $2500 per year in healthcare premiums. Which is not happening. So talk all you want about some not paying more but the reality is people on average are paying more due to the implementation of Obamacare.

[Monker]

Right, you were just trying to make a case that on average the premium rates were not going up.

That is an absolute lie. This conversation started with people implying that I would feel the negative affects of Obamacare. When I replied that I absolutely have not, with three years of NO CHANGES to my health insurance or premiums - YOU made a post saying IF this is true and even blah, blah, blah has increased...which implies that YOU believe that it is a rare thing if health insurance did not go through some type of negative change. My last post was to say your attitude is nothing but a bunch of bullshit and many premiums actually WENT DOWN. So, it's not a rare thing, and some premiums were actually LOWERED..and put that facts out there to back it up.

But, since you are full of shit and don't know what you are talking about, you have now decided to change your argument to "average American". You were wrong, that facts PROVE IT, so you shift your argument. That's bullshit...and I've seen you do it in the past here. Make up your mind what your argument is BEFORE you start your shit.

[Boomchild]

“It’s important for Europe not to simply respond with a hammer and law enforcement and military approaches to these problems,” Obama said.

Those silly Europeans. Don't they know that you can solve these situations by just talking and reasoning with groups that believe they on a mission from God.

[Boomchild]

Secret Service: Shots fired outside Bidens' Delaware home

WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) — Multiple gunshots were fired from a vehicle near the Delaware home of Vice President Joe Biden on Saturday night, the U.S. Secret Service said Sunday. The vice president and his wife were not at home at the time of the shooting, authorities said.

It seems that even the Secret Service is slow on the uptake. Don't they know that this was just a citizen trying to show Joe Biden he understood his message with regards to guns. Since he could not fire his gun from the balcony of Joe's house he did it from his car window.

[Boomchild]

Obamacare did what to premium prices?!

Utilizing data collected by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners that was compiled by SNL Financial, Kowalski was able to determine that enrollment-weighted insurance premiums have risen in the post-Obamacare environment by a shocking 24.4% more than they would have risen had they "followed state-level seasonally adjusted trends."

What makes this study so unique is that most studies specifically target exchange-only premium movements. Brookings' study focused on a combination of enrollments by state and federally run exchanges, as well as non-market transactions where consumers purchased directly from an insurer. This is particularly notable because even though a significant chunk of exchange-based enrollees qualified for a subsidy, persons outside of Obamacare's health exchanges didn't receive any subsidies, and were therefore required to make up for this boost in premium on their own. According to Forbes this totaled 6.2 million out of the 13.2 million enrollees.

Furthermore, based on Brookings' data just six states (and Washington D.C.) witnessed their premium pricing fall under Obamacare, while states like Florida, Georgia, and Texas saw non-group coverage skyrocket by more than 35% over what seasonally adjusted increases would have occurred had Obamacare not been implemented.

And POP! The bubble bursts!

[Monker]

“It’s important for Europe not to simply respond with a hammer and law enforcement and military approaches to these problems,” Obama said.

Those silly Europeans. Don't they know that you can solve these situations by just talking and reasoning with groups that believe they on a mission from God.

You're an idiot.

The Blues Brothers have nothing to do with what you quoted.

[Monker]

What Monker doesn't understand, is the IRS offered very little to no guidance until very late in the year. No one was able to adequately know what was in store come tax time.Hell, the instructions for form 8962, the very form that EVERY exchange customer HAS to fill out we're not published until Jan 8th.

Oh yes Monker, the effects are yet to be felt.

Holy shit! You're right...I should be all freaked out over three lines added to my 1040 that don't apply to me and one new form I'll never have to fill out anyway. The world is coming to an end because I have entered FF's weird fantasyland. What am I ever going to do with these lines that have nothing to do with me and a form that doesn't either? It's like so confusing! If FF can't figure it all out, we should all panic! His fantasy is starting to affect the real world and all of us who are affected may as well just go and commit suicide, because nothing matters any longer. Damn these three lines of meaningless crap and the new form for Healthcare Taxation! And, I thought wrapping my house in shrink wrap would protect me from everything!

[Boomchild]

http://news.yahoo.com/house-speaker-invites-israels-netanyahu-address-congress-145916385.html?bcmt=1421853643737-ad18cb30-6e19-450f-8fee-68dad21e60ff_0000eb000000000000000000000000-109b5408-f44e-470b-b1e9-41ae1d9c43cd&bcmt_s=u#mediacommentsugc_container

What's Barry going to do, take his ball and go home? Maybe the shoe is on the other foot. Since Barry won't act leaders in Congress will.

[slucero]

Sure, Monker will never feel the effects of Obamacare...

Obamacare program costs $50,000 in taxpayer money for every American who gets health insurance

* Stunning figure comes from Congressional Budget Office report that revised cost estimates for the next 10 years

* Government will spend $1.993 TRILLION over a decade and take in $643 BILLION in new taxes, penalties and fees related to Obamacare

* The $1.35 trillion net cost will result in 'between 24 million and 27 million' fewer Americans being uninsured – a $50,000 price tag per person at best

* The law will still leave 'between 29 million and 31 million' nonelderly Americans without medical insurance

* Numbers assume Obamacare insurance exchange enrollment will double between now and 2025

It will cost the federal government – taxpayers, that is – $50,000 for every person who gets health insurance under the Obamacare law, the Congressional Budget Office revealed on Monday. The number comes from figures buried in a 15-page section of the nonpartisan organization's new ten-year budget outlook.

The best-case scenario described by the CBO would result in 'between 24 million and 27 million' fewer Americans being uninsured in 2025, compared to the year before the Affordable Care Act took effect.

Pulling that off will cost Uncle Sam about $1.35 trillion – or $50,000 per head.

...but, but, but, it was supposed to lower the cost of healthcare..

[Boomchild]

Sure, Monker will never feel the effects of Obamacare...

Obamacare program costs $50,000 in taxpayer money for every American who gets health insurance

* Stunning figure comes from Congressional Budget Office report that revised cost estimates for the next 10 years

* Government will spend $1.993 TRILLION over a decade and take in $643 BILLION in new taxes, penalties and fees related to Obamacare

* The $1.35 trillion net cost will result in 'between 24 million and 27 million' fewer Americans being uninsured – a $50,000 price tag per person at best

* The law will still leave 'between 29 million and 31 million' nonelderly Americans without medical insurance

* Numbers assume Obamacare insurance exchange enrollment will double between now and 2025

It will cost the federal government – taxpayers, that is – $50,000 for every person who gets health insurance under the Obamacare law, the Congressional Budget Office revealed on Monday. The number comes from figures buried in a 15-page section of the nonpartisan organization's new ten-year budget outlook.

The best-case scenario described by the CBO would result in 'between 24 million and 27 million' fewer Americans being uninsured in 2025, compared to the year before the Affordable Care Act took effect.

Pulling that off will cost Uncle Sam about $1.35 trillion – or $50,000 per head.

...but, but, but, it was supposed to lower the cost of healthcare..

One report I heard on this subject was that this latest report is 20% lower from the original estimated cost put out by the CBO. So you see, we are already saving money!

[Boomchild]

The latest data on Obamacare analyzed by the Congressional Budget Office shows that 10 million Americans are likely to lose their employer-based insurance by 2021 as companies dump their workers onto the Obamacare exchanges. That's 10 times the number originally projected by the CBO. About 1 of every 16 workers will be affected.

Again, this is just another point that should be "plain as the nose on someones face". Of course employers are going to "run the numbers" and those businesses that will save money and expense by just paying the penalty for not offering an employer sponsored healthcare plan(s) would gravitate to that option. One question is, those that will be losing their employer sponsored coverage end up with coverage that is not as good as what they had and end up with a lower quality of healthcare? Could those effected end up with a higher cost of coverage as well?

[Boomchild]

Now, in an exclusive report, CNN says that one of the five Taliban commanders Obama agreed to release from Gitmo in exchange for Bergdahl may be back on the battlefield, a prospect that many critics of Obama’s swap deal warned could happen.

What a shocker! What else would you expect to happen when you release someone with radical ideals and was on a mission to destroy the West and it's allies? I believe that this is not the first confirmed detainee released from GITMO that has returned to battlefield. In fact, I think I read somewhere that one of the leaders in ISIS was a detained at GITMO.

[Monker]

The latest data on Obamacare analyzed by the Congressional Budget Office shows that 10 million Americans are likely to lose their employer-based insurance by 2021 as companies dump their workers onto the Obamacare exchanges. That's 10 times the number originally projected by the CBO. About 1 of every 16 workers will be affected.

This finding stands in sharp contrast to earlier CBO projections, which at one point suggested ObamaCare would increase the number of people getting coverage through work, at least in its early years.

The budget office has, in fact, increased the number it says will lose workplace coverage every year since 2011.

The latest CBO finding also thoroughly debunks the many promises ObamaCare backers made when selling the law — about how those with work-based coverage had nothing to worry about.

ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber, for example, said the law was specifically designed "to leave those who are happy with their employer-sponsored insurance alone."

Then Washington Post reporter Ezra Klein reassured readers that "for most companies ... there's little reason to expect their behavior will change."

The White House insisted that "respected independent analysts have concluded that the number of Americans who get their health insurance at work will not change in a significant way."

Obama endlessly repeated his iron-clad guarantee that those who liked their plans could keep them.

And those who suggested at the time that employers might take advantage of ObamaCare to offload their health costs onto taxpayers by dumping workers into the government exchanges were told to read those now-discredited CBO reports.

At the same time CBO was upping ObamaCare's impact on work-based insurance, it's been downgrading the impact on the uninsured.

The CBO now says ObamaCare will leave 31 million uninsured after more than a decade, up from its 23 million forecast made in 2011.

Put another way, the CBO promised that ObamaCare would cover 60% of the uninsured.

Now it says the program will cover less than half, despite spending $2 trillion to subsidize premiums and expand Medicaid.

Does anyone really believe that if Obama announced a plan to spend $2 trillion on a program that would leave 31 million uninsured and force 10 million workers off their employer-based insurance, that even Democrats would have voted for it?

How do you like your odds Monker?

I believe the chances of losing my employer sponsored health care is about the same as the chance of me catching Ebola.

[Boomchild]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/six-million-households-facing-penalty-210800214.html

Wait a minute, I thought the purpose of the AHCA was to make healthcare affordable for everyone and people no longer would need to skip obtaining coverage. Why go uninsured if it is so affordable for every American? Who's going to pay for those that have chosen not to obtain coverage and end up needing care and they can't pay the bill?

[Boomchild]

But we do know the Justice Department investigation has been compromised, not least by the president announcing its conclusions before the probe is complete.
Lynch should move fast to restore an aura of independence and impartiality to the investigation by turning it over to a special counsel.

I think nothing is really going to come about with this IRS scandal. At least as long as this administration and those working with it are in power. As this article points out B.O. was affirming that there has not been "even a smidge of corruption in the IRS".

[slucero]

sure looks like Americans are spending a lot of money on health insurance...

[slucero]

...that's what happens when ya "pass it to see what was in it."...

[Boomchild]

The Republican-led House is set to begin February with a vote to repeal ObamaCare, making clear that trying to dismantle the health-care law remains a top priority.

So they are going to waste their time voting to repeal Obamacare. As if B.O. would not veto such an attempt. Guess the Republicans like doing dog and pony shows. Note to Republicans, voters already know you are against Obamacare or any Federal laws that dictates citizens are required to purchase health insurance. You don't need to waste your time on something that will never come to pass as long as B.O. is POTUS. The only hope to dismantle Obamacare is if the Supreme Court rules that it or a part(s) of it are unconstitutional. Which I think is not going to happen.

[Boomchild]

The president wants a bill that fixes the nation's bridges and roads — legislation he touted when he spoke last July with the Interstate 495 bridge over the Christina River near Wilmington, Del., as a backdrop. The bridge had been closed for emergency repairs after the discovery of four tilting support columns. Yet Obama didn't make the argument it was just one bridge or that the jobs fixing it wouldn't be permanent.

The actual reason that the 495 bridge needed repair was not due to deterioration. Someone, a contractor it was reported, illegally dumped tons of soil in the area of the support columns. This caused the columns to shift and the bridge to tilt. The repairs were done at the tax payers expense. To the best of my knowledge, there hasn't been a peep from state government on exactly who was responsible for the dumping and if they would be forced to pay for the repair costs. My guess is someone in DELDOT was paid off to allow the dumping there. But, of course our POTUS would use it as a backdrop for something that has nothing to do with it.

[Boomchild]

White House says Obama would veto House bill to repeal Obamacare

The White House issued a veto threat on Monday for a bill from the Republican-controlled U.S. House of Representatives bill that would repeal President Barack Obama's signature healthcare legislation, the Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... ar-AA8UunE

As Gomer Pyle U.S.M.C. would have said: Surprise!, Surprise!, Surprise!!

[JBlake]

Militants fighting for the Islamic State terror group in Syria and Iraq have released a video they claim shows Jordanian pilot Maaz al-Kassasbeh being burnt alive while locked in a cage.

The footage, which is titled 'Healing the Believers Chests' appears to show the captured airman wearing an orange jumpsuit as a trail of petrol leading up to the cage is seen being set alight.

Flames are seen quickly spreading to the cage where they completely engulf the helpless pilot in images that are far too distressing to publish.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pilot.html

Every time I read about shit like this, I think of the asshole association who's running America. Because this asshole association traded five of these motherfuckers for one asshole deserter. And now those released motherfuckers are going to participate in exactly what the ISIS is doing. Hopefully Jordan will level that fucking shithole over there, we all know the asshole running America right now is a spineless dingbat and won't. When is mankind going to wake up and realize that these terrorists cannot be reasoned with. They need to be exterminated like a friggin Nazi training camp on meth.

[JBlake]

Well today is a step in the right direction. Hopefully the GOP will get the ball rolling on successfully repealing this POS YoMamacare, which is nothing more than the Democraps Ponzi scheme.

Sure, Monker will never feel the effects of Obamacare...

Obamacare program costs $50,000 in taxpayer money for every American who gets health insurance

* Stunning figure comes from Congressional Budget Office report that revised cost estimates for the next 10 years

* Government will spend $1.993 TRILLION over a decade and take in $643 BILLION in new taxes, penalties and fees related to Obamacare

* The $1.35 trillion net cost will result in 'between 24 million and 27 million' fewer Americans being uninsured – a $50,000 price tag per person at best

* The law will still leave 'between 29 million and 31 million' nonelderly Americans without medical insurance

* Numbers assume Obamacare insurance exchange enrollment will double between now and 2025

It will cost the federal government – taxpayers, that is – $50,000 for every person who gets health insurance under the Obamacare law, the Congressional Budget Office revealed on Monday. The number comes from figures buried in a 15-page section of the nonpartisan organization's new ten-year budget outlook.

The best-case scenario described by the CBO would result in 'between 24 million and 27 million' fewer Americans being uninsured in 2025, compared to the year before the Affordable Care Act took effect.

Pulling that off will cost Uncle Sam about $1.35 trillion – or $50,000 per head.

[Boomchild]

Well today is a step in the right direction. Hopefully the GOP will get the ball rolling on successfully repealing this POS YoMamacare, which is nothing more than the Democraps Ponzi scheme.

Obamacare is going nowhere. B.O. will in no way sign a document that repeals it. While it may be possible to challenge parts of it or restrict funding for parts of it, the bill as a whole will not be repealed as long as this administration is in power. The only way this would be possible is if a Republican wins the next election for POTUS and they retain majority in the House and Senate. Which in my opinion is not likely. So if one thinks it's possible, they may want to put down whatever it is they are smoking.

[Boomchild]

Every time I read about shit like this, I think of the asshole association who's running America. Because this asshole association traded five of these motherfuckers for one asshole deserter. And now those released motherfuckers are going to participate in exactly what the ISIS is doing. Hopefully Jordan will level that fucking shithole over there, we all know the asshole running America right now is a spineless dingbat and won't. When is mankind going to wake up and realize that these terrorists cannot be reasoned with. They need to be exterminated like a friggin Nazi training camp on meth.

The problem is not America not taking action. The problem is the people living in that area of the world not taking action. They are widely afraid of ISIS and radical groups like them, sympathetic or supportive of their cause. For me history has proven that we cannot solve this problem. Until the countries in the Middle East put forth the an effective effort to eliminate such groups, the vicious cycle will continue. Meaning, one faction gets beaten back or eliminated and another rises up to replace it.

[JBlake]

Every time I read about shit like this, I think of the asshole association who's running America. Because this asshole association traded five of these motherfuckers for one asshole deserter. And now those released motherfuckers are going to participate in exactly what the ISIS is doing. Hopefully Jordan will level that fucking shithole over there, we all know the asshole running America right now is a spineless dingbat and won't. When is mankind going to wake up and realize that these terrorists cannot be reasoned with. They need to be exterminated like a friggin Nazi training camp on meth.

The problem is not America not taking action. The problem is the people living in that area of the world not taking action. They are widely afraid of ISIS and radical groups like them, sympathetic or supportive of their cause. For me history has proven that we cannot solve this problem. Until the countries in the Middle East put forth the an effective effort to eliminate such groups, the vicious cycle will continue. Meaning, one faction gets beaten back or eliminated and another rises up to replace it.

Well, Jordan did the right thing and executed the terrorists that they had in custody. That's what the US should have done with the five that shithead released.

[Boomchild]

Well, Jordan did the right thing and executed the terrorists that they had in custody. That's what the US should have done with the five that shithead released.

And what do you think Jordan gained by doing so? What would we have gained by doing the same thing? They executed people that were willing to kill themselves for their cause. They were already prepared to die. Their comrades already expected them to die. It's not the foot soldiers that are afraid of dying. It's the leaders that command them. Besides, it's not going to stop ISIS from holding people for ransom and executing them. Right now it's their best tool for attention. Again, this is a problem in Middle Eastern culture, until that changes this kind of thing will continue till the end of time.