President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[JBlake]

Well, Jordan did the right thing and executed the terrorists that they had in custody. That's what the US should have done with the five that shithead released.

And what do you think Jordan gained by doing so? What would we have gained by doing the same thing? They executed people that were willing to kill themselves for their cause. They were already prepared to die. Their comrades already expected them to die. It's not the foot soldiers that are afraid of dying. It's the leaders that command them. Besides, it's not going to stop ISIS from holding people for ransom and executing them. Right now it's their best tool for attention. Again, this is a problem in Middle Eastern culture, until that changes this kind of thing will continue till the end of time.

For starters, saved having to deal with them ever again in the future. Saving resources maintaining them in captivity. Sending a message to the rest of the fucking idiots that America doesn't negotiate with terrorist groups.

[JBlake]

Well, Jordan did the right thing and executed the terrorists that they had in custody. That's what the US should have done with the five that shithead released.

And what do you think Jordan gained by doing so? What would we have gained by doing the same thing? They executed people that were willing to kill themselves for their cause. They were already prepared to die. Their comrades already expected them to die. It's not the foot soldiers that are afraid of dying. It's the leaders that command them. Besides, it's not going to stop ISIS from holding people for ransom and executing them. Right now it's their best tool for attention. Again, this is a problem in Middle Eastern culture, until that changes this kind of thing will continue till the end of time.

For starters, saved having to deal with them ever again in the future. Saving resources maintaining them in captivity. Sending a message to the rest of the fucking idiots that America doesn't negotiate with terrorist groups.

Also add in moral. It's huge positive moral for terrorist to know that if caught, they have a good chance of eventually getting released to where they can continue the terrorism. It's a huge negative moral for American forces to know that the clowns they could have been killed taking into custody, and in some cases, their comrades were either injured or killed trying to capture them, will eventually be released and have to be dealt with again.

[JBlake]

What would we have gained by doing the same thing? They executed people that were willing to kill themselves for their cause. They were already prepared to die. Their comrades already expected them to die.

Yes, you're correct. So lets fucking kill them so case closed and these terrorists won't have to be fucking dealt with again. Who the fuck cares if they are ready and willing to die for their terroristic causes. Even more reason to kill them after all intelligence information has been harvested. Yeah, you don't care about that so much until one of those bearded fucks is standing over you getting ready to slice off your head.

Here's a question for ya boomchild. What's gained by not executing them?

[Boomchild]

For starters, saved having to deal with them ever again in the future. Saving resources maintaining them in captivity. Sending a message to the rest of the fucking idiots that America doesn't negotiate with terrorist groups.

For a long time now we have been keeping them in captivity and it has gotten us nowhere. Especially when you are talking about low level members of these terrorist organizations. Those that are in captivity should be put on trial in a military court and sentenced according to our military laws. To execute them without a trial is stooping to their level. You are right that we should never ever negotiate with terrorists. Terrorists can take it either way and negotiating won't stop them. As I understand it, people from countries that do negotiate become higher targets. In my mind the solution is for us to pull out all together and let that region of the world deal with it on their own. Time has shown that our involvement gains us nothing other then wasted time, money and most importantly American lives. Keep in mind that it seems we are dealing with an area of the world that puts little to no value on human lives and what religion is practiced trumps all. To be involved in such a situation is a losing proposition. History has proven it for centuries in the Middle East. By getting involved we are just aiding it to spread to other parts of the world including here. The time has come for the U.S. to stop taking the role of the "World Police". We should only be defending direct attacks on America and in doing so should show no mercy.

[Boomchild]

Boomchild, at least we know Jordon won't be stupid enough to trade prisoners for a diserter.

True, but they didn't need to execute the ones they held in captivity. That's a tit for tat mentality and in no way will deter ISIS from continuing to capture people and execute them. In other words Jordan gained nothing by their actions except for maybe making some Jordanians feel good. To make it clear I am in no way a supporter of negotiating with this type of scum.

[JBlake]

For starters, saved having to deal with them ever again in the future. Saving resources maintaining them in captivity. Sending a message to the rest of the fucking idiots that America doesn't negotiate with terrorist groups.

For a long time now we have been keeping them in captivity and it has gotten us nowhere. Especially when you are talking about low level members of these terrorist organizations. Those that are in captivity should be put on trial in a military court and sentenced according to our military laws. To execute them without a trial is stooping to their level. You are right that we should never ever negotiate with terrorists. Terrorists can take it either way and negotiating won't stop them. As I understand it, people from countries that do negotiate become higher targets. In my mind the solution is for us to pull out all together and let that region of the world deal with it on their own. Time has shown that our involvement gains us nothing other then wasted time, money and most importantly American lives. Keep in mind that it seems we are dealing with an area of the world that puts little to no value on human lives and what religion is practiced trumps all. To be involved in such a situation is a losing proposition. History has proven it for centuries in the Middle East. By getting involved we are just aiding it to spread to other parts of the world including here. The time has come for the U.S. to stop taking the role of the "World Police". We should only be defending direct attacks on America and in doing so should show no mercy.

They have to be kept in check or they grow in numbers, organize and eventually attack. That's what 9-11 was all about. During the entire cocksuck Willie's two terms, the terrorists numbers increased, they organized and eventually on 9-11 they attacked.

[Boomchild]

Also add in moral. It's huge positive moral for terrorist to know that if caught, they have a good chance of eventually getting released to where they can continue the terrorism. It's a huge negative moral for American forces to know that the clowns they could have been killed taking into custody, and in some cases, their comrades were either injured or killed trying to capture them, will eventually be released and have to be dealt with again.

Again, our involvement at any level is a losing battle. But at this point it is too late. We have leaders that feel compelled to take a moral high ground and also feel compelled to be the humanitarians for the entire planet. It's an impossible task and our founders like George Washington warned us of getting involved in foreign conflicts. Seems to me they were making a good point.

[Boomchild]

Yes, you're correct. So lets fucking kill them so case closed and these terrorists won't have to be fucking dealt with again. Who the fuck cares if they are ready and willing to die for their terroristic causes. Even more reason to kill them after all intelligence information has been harvested. Yeah, you don't care about that so much until one of those bearded fucks is standing over you getting ready to slice off your head.

Here's a question for ya boomchild. What's gained by not executing them?

Are you seriously afraid that one of these "breaded fucks" is going to be standing over you ready to slice your head off? Lets be real here. This stuff is happening in the Middle East. If we are not over there then the risk is greatly reduced. What you are advocating for our military to do is not going to happen.

What's gained is not having the wasted time and costs to perform such executions according to our laws. You can't just throw that out the window. Add to that the liberal mindset of America in general. The humanitarian outcry from the American public would squash such an action in it's tracks. Sorry, but the days of "Regan cowboy tactics" is long gone. America is now in a "touchy, feely, limp dick" mode.

[Boomchild]

They have to be kept in check or they grow in numbers, organize and eventually attack. That's what 9-11 was all about. During the entire cocksuck Willie's two terms, the terrorists numbers increased, they organized and eventually on 9-11 they attacked.

They will keep growing in numbers as long as the countries in the Middle East let them grow. That's the source of the problem. For centuries they have yet to show an effort to stamp out these radical factions. The world needs to call this out and force them to deal with it on their own. It just could be that there are more people running these Middle Eastern Countries that agree with these radical type views but would never admit it in public. By forcing them to deal with it on their own we would see their "true colors". If they are supportive of these radical views then they do need to be wiped off the earth.

[JBlake]

Here's a question for ya boomchild. What's gained by not executing them?

Are you seriously afraid that one of these "breaded fucks" is going to be standing over you ready to slice your head off? Lets be real here. This stuff is happening in the Middle East. If we are not over there then the risk is greatly reduced. What you are advocating for our military to do is not going to happen.

Yeah, keep thinking "it can never happen here". Sort of like thinking 20 terrorist could never commandeer four separate jets and crash into buildings killing thousands on American soil.

BTW - It's "Bearded Fuck", not "Breaded Fuck". A "Breaded Fuck" is one of those things you buy at 7-11, Taco bell, Berger King, Jack in the Box, etc. etc. etc. not to be confused with bearded fuck.

[Boomchild]

Yeah, keep thinking "it can never happen here". Sort of like thinking 20 terrorist could never commandeer four separate jets and crash into buildings killing thousands on American soil.

I never said or implied that "it can never happen here". But the reality is, as of right now is it is not happening here. When you take action out of fear of such things, your playing right into the hands of these terrorist groups. We certainly could see increased terrorism here. Especially if we keep going down the same road we have been. Meaning trying solve problems in another parts of the world. The reality is that if the countries of the Middle East do not take a united effort to eliminate these radical factions they will continue to exist. Our involvement has shown to have no lasting effect. If there was any chance of it having a lasting effect, we would basically have to have our military occupy that entire region of the world. Which is something that is not feasible. Basically, it's like trying to force a person to stop a drug habit. You can't. They have to want to do it for themselves.

[Boomchild]

President Obama’s 2016 budget targets retirement accounts

This year's version of the budget included a number of provisions targeting retirement accounts. That was no surprise, as provisions aimed at retirement accounts have been a regular feature in budgets in recent years. What was a surprise, however, is how many proposals were targeting retirement accounts, and how many new proposals there were. All told, this year's budget featured over a dozen provisions that, if they were to become law, could directly impact your retirement savings.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retireme ... ar-AA90CwO

[JBlake]

Watch starting at the 3 minute mark. Williams whole Iraq tail is made up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xS3NAwZ4hGk

Typical. But really why is this any surprise? The guy is media and that's what 99% of media is all about. Only real surprise to me is why no one with first hand experiences put the finger on the moron lying? I was part of operations over there at one time and I was amazed listening to media reports back in the states. They can really come up with some real winners when the comes to reference material.

[Boomchild]

Hillary got caught saying the same kind of lies and some want her as the next POTUS.

Has there ever been a POTUS that never told lies? Maybe George Washington?

[Monker]

Now this, and we have a blithering idiot in the White House.

http://chronicle.su/2015/02/08/nuclear- ... t-detected


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http://news.yahoo.com/chemical-plant-ea ... 8AAWFXNyoA

What do you mean "OR"?

[Monker]

Whenever there is a recovery following a recession, the party who is not in power always makes this same argument.

Blah, blah, blah.

The economy is doing MUCH better then Republicans wish. As I said, it didn't matter who won the last election, there would be a recovery. Now, the Republicans will have an even tougher time winning 2016. So far, their choices are not so good.

Gallup CEO: I May 'Suddenly Disappear' for Telling Truth About Obama Unemployment Rate
Sunday, 08 Feb 2015 04:46 PM
The head of the Gallup polling firm recently backpedaled on his claim that the official unemployment rate being trumpeted by the White House, Wall Street and the media is a "big lie."
Jim Clifton, the Chairman and CEO of Gallup, recently told CNBC that he was worried he might “suddenly disappear” if he disputed the accuracy of what the U.S. government is reporting as unemployed Americans, Wall Street on Parade reported.
“I think that the number that comes out of BLS [Bureau of Labor Statistics] and the Department of Labor is very, very accurate. I need to make that very, very clear so that I don’t suddenly disappear. I need to make it home tonight.”
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But he contended that the percent of full time jobs in this country as a percent of the adult population “is the worst it’s been in 30 years.”
His appearance on CNBC came days after he claimed the official unemployment rate being trumpeted by the White House, Wall Street and the media is a "big lie." .
"None of them will tell you this: If you, a family member or anyone is unemployed and has subsequently given up on finding a job — if you are so hopelessly out of work that you've stopped looking over the past four weeks — the Department of Labor doesn't count you as unemployed," the venerable firm's chief executive officer and chairman last week wrote in his blog.
"Right now, as many as 30 million Americans are either out of work or severely underemployed. Trust me, the vast majority of them aren't throwing parties to toast 'falling' unemployment."
Meanwhile, the Labor Department said on Friday said nonfarm payrolls increased 257,000 last month, Reuters reported. Data for November and December were revised to show a whopping 147,000 more jobs created than previously reported, bolstering views consumers will have enough muscle to carry the economy through rough seas.
At 423,000, the government said November's payroll gains were the largest since May 2010, when employment was boosted by government hiring for the population count
While the unemployment rate rose one-tenth of a percentage point to 5.7 percent, that was because the labor force increased, a sign of confidence in the jobs market.
January marked the 11th straight month of job gains above 200,000, the longest streak since 1994, the government said.
Obama has embraced and applauded the recent unemployment data.
"Our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999,” Obama said in his State of the Union address Jan. 20. “Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
But Clifton writes Americans out of work for at least four weeks are "as unemployed as one can possibly be" and argues that as many as 30 million of them are now either out of work or severely underemployed.
In addition, those working part time but wanting full-time work — the so-called "severely underemployed" — also aren't counted in the latest low number.
"There's no other way to say this," he writes.
"The official unemployment rate, which cruelly overlooks the suffering of the long-term and often permanently unemployed as well as the depressingly underemployed, amounts to a Big Lie."
Clifton argues the United States "is delivering at a staggeringly low rate of 44 percent, which is the number of full-time jobs as a percent of the adult population, 18 years and older."
That number needs to "50 percent and a bare minimum of 10 million new, good jobs to replenish America's middle class," he writes.
“When the media, talking heads, the White House and Wall Street start reporting the truth — the percent of Americans in good jobs, jobs that are full time and real — then we will quit wondering why Americans aren't ‘feeling’ something that doesn't remotely reflect the reality in their lives," Clifton writes.

[Monker]

Yeah, keep thinking "it can never happen here". Sort of like thinking 20 terrorist could never commandeer four separate jets and crash into buildings killing thousands on American soil.

I never said or implied that "it can never happen here". But the reality is, as of right now is it is not happening here. When you take action out of fear of such things, your playing right into the hands of these terrorist groups. We certainly could see increased terrorism here. Especially if we keep going down the same road we have been. Meaning trying solve problems in another parts of the world. The reality is that if the countries of the Middle East do not take a united effort to eliminate these radical factions they will continue to exist. Our involvement has shown to have no lasting effect. If there was any chance of it having a lasting effect, we would basically have to have our military occupy that entire region of the world. Which is something that is not feasible. Basically, it's like trying to force a person to stop a drug habit. You can't. They have to want to do it for themselves.

I posted the same things months ago when Bill Maher ranted on his show making this same argument.

the bottom line is people like jblake are paranoid and live in a delusion. Good luck reasoning with that.

[Monker]

Now this, and we have a blithering idiot in the White House.

http://chronicle.su/2015/02/08/nuclear- ... t-detected


OR



http://news.yahoo.com/chemical-plant-ea ... 8AAWFXNyoA

What do you mean "OR"?

Some of us work, Monker. Early in the morning I posted the Nuclear story. Just before I left it was morphing into a Chemical Explosion, and I was logging on now to explain it wound up being a Munitions Plant Explosion. No radiation cloud. We still have a blithering idiot in the White House, and I'm sure the conservatives figured it out.

Looks like you just proved the blithering idiot is YOU.

[Boomchild]

I posted the same things months ago when Bill Maher ranted on his show making this same argument.

the bottom line is people like jblake are paranoid and live in a delusion. Good luck reasoning with that.

I just do not see how people have not come to the conclusion that only way to permanently stop these radical Islamic groups is for the people on mass in the Middle East to stand up against them. So far they haven't. Sure there is a lot of "lip service" being tossed about against them. But not the right amount of action. Just look how Iraq's forces just folded early on. This was after all the time, training, resources and money was spent by our military and government. All wasted. Why? I think it's because they know all to well if they don't act and wait long enough we will come and do their dirty work. Wasting our money, resources and most importantly the lives of our military personnel. We need to draw a line and stop getting directly involved. Even if we were to provide aid and support it seems to me that we do not have the ability to determine if we are aligning with the right people or groups. Enough is enough we need to pull out and let them know it is their problem to deal with.

[JBlake]

No worries, Obamacare's got him covered. Matter of fact, got everyone in this video covered. And nice to see l Obamaphones in good use. Without those, most of us wouldn't have even known this type of thing was going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFwuIn6iZ1g

People paying for it aren't in the video though cause they're hard at work.... paying for all of it.

[slucero]

The economy is doing MUCH better then Republicans wish. As I said, it didn't matter who won the last election, there would be a recovery.

Not even the St Louis Fed (which also means the Bureau of Economic Analysis, where the FED data is sourced from) agrees with that statement, because even their own data shows no GDP growth. It's been flat. A one quarter spike to 3% in a 7 year period does not a recovery make.



Recessions also have historically followed drastic downturns in the cost of oil... right now we are witnessing the complete destruction of the shale industry by the House of Saud. This will not only destroy the shale industry in the US and Canada, but ancillary and adjunct business. It will also affect the credit markets, as the billions that were tied up in financing the shale expansion are also lost. The credit destruction this will cause will affect commercial lending, which will result in less lending for new business and ultimately hiring for new jobs.

Now, the Republicans will have an even tougher time winning 2016. So far, their choices are not so good.

I don't think its gonna be as cut and dried with Hillary as people think .. the way things are shaping up, Hillary is gonna be the only white female in the race.. running against a nominee picked from a slew of Republican minorities, as its looking more like the RNC is going to endorse a minority candidate...

[Boomchild]

No worries, Obamacare's got him covered. Matter of fact, got everyone in this video covered. And nice to see l Obamaphones in good use. Without those, most of us wouldn't have even known this type of thing was going on.

The Obamaphone is actually misnomer. This free cell phone program to people with low income or on certain public assistance programs was in place prior to B.O. taking office. So, his administration did not implement the program. While I am in no way a fan of B.O. or how he is running the federal government, I don't believe in placing blame on him for something he did not implement.

[Boomchild]

Not even the St Louis Fed (which also means the Bureau of Economic Analysis, where the FED data is sourced from) agrees with that statement, because even their own data shows no GDP growth. It's been flat. A one quarter spike to 3% in a 7 year period does not a recovery make.

So in other words, they are presenting a false sense of improvement on the economy. Gee...that's a surprise.

[JBlake]

No worries, Obamacare's got him covered. Matter of fact, got everyone in this video covered. And nice to see l Obamaphones in good use. Without those, most of us wouldn't have even known this type of thing was going on.

The Obamaphone is actually misnomer. This free cell phone program to people with low income or on certain public assistance programs was in place prior to B.O. taking office. So, his administration did not implement the program. While I am in no way a fan of B.O. or how he is running the federal government, I don't believe in placing blame on him for something he did not implement.

Yeah and a major point democrapers were rallying for Dumbama was because of the free phone, among other free shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr201FqTP4w

[Monker]

No Monker, I just tried to post a breaking story. The only one that couldn't figure out I was trying to post another that was taking it to another dirction was you. That would make you almost as stupid as Obama. At least you can type your own worthless tripe, you don't need a staff.

No, you came on here and posted lies and propaganda from a hack of website and in the very same post contradicted the story with another hack of a story...then you came on here with yet another version. THAT is the very definition of a blithering idiot.

You "Oh, no! We have a President in the White House who is not going to respond to this propaganda of a nuclear bomb going off in the Ukraine. Maybe he's not keeping up on current events and we're going to get our asses kicked. Fuck that shit man. Nuke them from orbit. Yeah, let's do it. They can send me the bill."

Blithering idiot.

[Monker]

Not even the St Louis Fed (which also means the Bureau of Economic Analysis, where the FED data is sourced from) agrees with that statement, because even their own data shows no GDP growth. It's been flat. A one quarter spike to 3% in a 7 year period does not a recovery make.

So in other words, they are presenting a false sense of improvement on the economy. Gee...that's a surprise.

If we had President McCain in office right now, the Republicans would be calling this the most successful recovery ever...even more dramatic then Reagan's.

The truth is in most ways the economy has recovered to being where is was years before the crash...and in some ways it is even stronger. You can always find negatives to whine about...but the economy is a HUGE negative for Republicans right now.

And, sorry Sluc, but NONE Of your predictions you have posted over the years have come true. That's even less than chance. We would be better off paying a fortune teller.

[slucero]

Not even the St Louis Fed (which also means the Bureau of Economic Analysis, where the FED data is sourced from) agrees with that statement, because even their own data shows no GDP growth. It's been flat. A one quarter spike to 3% in a 7 year period does not a recovery make.

So in other words, they are presenting a false sense of improvement on the economy. Gee...that's a surprise.

If we had President McCain in office right now, the Republicans would be calling this the most successful recovery ever...even more dramatic then Reagan's.

The truth is in most ways the economy has recovered to being where is was years before the crash...and in some ways it is even stronger. You can always find negatives to whine about...but the economy is a HUGE negative for Republicans right now.

And, sorry Sluc, but NONE Of your predictions you have posted over the years have come true. That's even less than chance. We would be better off paying a fortune teller.

I'm agnostic when it comes to parties... I have no party affiliation. I prefer to simply look at the data.

I think even you'd agree that every/any party would call any recovery the "most successful recovery ever".. that's purely political rhetoric for a populace that chooses to believe what they are told, instead of digging through the data themselves. It's the unfortunate truth that parties will never be honest. They'll obfuscate instead, speaking about the data points that support their political position,

The simple, unbiased "truth" is that the very same data those championing "recovery" use... disproves the premise.

Nearly every traditional indicator of economic health is diverging from its traditional norm. Nearly all retail traders are out of the market, and the professional traders are chasing safe havens.. not yield. Trading volume itself is half of what it was in 2007, yet nominally the market value (the DOW) is twice what it was in 2007. Banks are effectively charging negative interests rates through their fees. The percentage of full time jobs in this country as a percentage of the adult population is the worst it’s been in 30 years. None of this occurs during recoveries. The opposite does.

People need to stop looking at the stock market (which historically paralleled GDP) as an indicator of economic health. Because this market growth (DOW) is nominal... and spurred largely by stimulus and ZIRP, which has not made it into the real economy (GDP). This is why the DOW is growing and GDP is flat. Structural growth in the DOW would be reflected in GDP... and yet the DOW has doubled since 2008, and GDP is flat.

One need only compare (again the FED/BEA's own data) the nominal value of GDP to the Adjusted Value to see the reality. What historically tracked parallel is now diverging for the 1st time since the late 1920's. It's just fact.



That delta is $10 Trillion dollars, and is roughly equal to the total stimulus since 2008. Absent the stimulus, or reverting to the mean... we've currently got a $6 Trillion dollar economy. Considering 2007 Real GDP was $14.99T, a 2015 Real GDP of $6T can in no way be considered a "recovery".

The question is why. The answer is simply in the same data. One need only look, seek to understand, or choose to simply believe what they are told.


And just what "predictions" are you referring to?

Please do me the courtesy of quoting the actual post(s) please, and I'll be more than happy to admit my mistake.

[Boomchild]

If we had President McCain in office right now, the Republicans would be calling this the most successful recovery ever...even more dramatic then Reagan's.

The truth is in most ways the economy has recovered to being where is was years before the crash...and in some ways it is even stronger. You can always find negatives to whine about...but the economy is a HUGE negative for Republicans right now.

And, sorry Sluc, but NONE Of your predictions you have posted over the years have come true. That's even less than chance. We would be better off paying a fortune teller.

In a lot of cases any politician or party that is in power will try to polish a turd. That doesn't change the truth of the lack of growth in the GDP.

[Boomchild]

Yeah and a major point democrapers were rallying for Dumbama was because of the free phone, among other free shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr201FqTP4w

Just because people who support B.O. give him credit for it doesn't change the facts. It just shows how uninformed a large amount of the public is. I wouldn't want to be lumped in with that group by repeating something that group believes. I would hope neither would you. That's the major point. In other words, when you repeat the same beliefs the uninformed do, it makes you look just as much uninformed on that subject as they are.

[Boomchild]

Monker, what scared me is that Putin has so little respect for Obama that it wouldn't surprise me if Putin put one of his cute little nukes in a tank shell and used it to prove he would push the button if pushed, which I do believe could happen. The only true blithering idiot here is the pathetic little prick that still believes in Obama and the dismal failure Progressives have been and are. You keep going and be the good little Communist you are.

I think that Putin is too smart to do something like that and could accomplish what he wants without using nukes. If anyone was to use nukes I would think it would be a Middle Eastern country.