The_Noble_Cause wrote:Meeting with a lobbyist and a Russian lawyer is not the equivalent of colluding with a nation state.
Correct, but when that state says they want to help you in your political efforts by giving you negative information about your opponent. And, you set up an appointment to obtain the information. Then you are colluding with that nation.
Monker wrote:.....and you people in this forum who follow this clan of idiots make you look like a bunch of fucking lemmings and ditto heads who can't think for yourselves and use common sense.
Really?[/quote]
Yes, really. All you people have done for 3/4 of a year is quote Trump in everything you say and do here.
"And, not only the FBI, but the entire intelligence community has said Russia was hacking our election."
I said this was bullshit from day one. It has since been confirmed by NYTimes and AP that the Russia hacking assessment was NOT approved by all organizations in the American intelligence community (as was repeated by Hillary and the media endlessly).
You're mostly wrong. The whole of the intelligence community can still be said to agree that Russia hacked into our elections:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... her-way-r/"What matters is the agencies that (were involved) and whether, based on their mandate and collection responsibilities, those are the agencies best positioned to make the assessment," said Carrie Cordero, counsel at law firm ZwillGen and former counsel for various federal agencies focusing on national security.
For example, the intelligence arms of the Drug Enforcement Agency or the Coast Guard would not be expected to collect intelligence related to Russian interference in an election, said Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists.
"So their endorsement or non-endorsement basically means nothing in this case," Aftergood said, adding, "In this context, the assessments that count the most are those of CIA, NSA, FBI and ODNI."
The intelligence community likely limited the Russia assessment to those four agencies because they have the most to contribute on this topic, and because they wanted to contain the highly sensitive intelligence as much as possible, said Paul Pillar, senior fellow at Georgetown University’s Center for Security Studies who served in the intelligence community for 28 years.
"The ones that participated are the ones you’d expect on this," Pillar said. "It’s hard to see any of the others having something to contribute."
"That does not vitiate the conclusions. It does not mean the jury is still out," he addedInstead it was three organizations. The analysts who wrote the intel assessment were actually handpicked by Clapper.
The only people who don't believe the Russia hacked into our elections are brain dead Trumpians like you. Russia hacked into our election system. It happened. Everybody knows it.
Critical thinking Americans are asking questions about why the DNC servers were not forensically examined, why Crowdstrike changed their report findings, why the ODNI report was full of shit etc.
No, real people who can think critically know that Mueller will look at all of this, he can get a subpena to look at ANY servers, including the ones used by DJT and Junior.
You accept the Russia fairy tale as gospel truth. You are dumber than the fools who fell for Colin Powell's weather balloon photos at the UN.
I never believed Iraq had WMD. Never. If he had WMD why was he spending millions to build a giant gun in the middle of the desert to shoot at Israel? Saddam was an idiot and would never get WMD, especially nuclear, without help from a smarter nation...and Iraq was pretty much contained by Clinton for years. Chemical weapons have a limited time of usefulness so I knew that wasn't true either. So, when Colin Powell showed his pictures of various vehicles and buildings, I saw various vehicles and building....not nuclear weapons...and the truth is Powell didn't see it either.
There is a big difference between Iraq and "Russia hacked our election system" in that Russia has the capability to do it, the motivation to do it, and a history that shows a willingness to do it. And, sadly, we had a candidate dumb enough to help him do it. All of which come together for me to show that not only did Putin order the hacking of our election, but the Trump team would most likely be willing to enthusiastically ("love it!") help them do it.
Monker wrote:Trump Jr. colluded with Russia - THAT I S NOW A FACT....and the source is Donald Trump Jr.
No, he met with two Russians. The fact that you think all Russians are evil speaks to your own xenophobia.[/quote]
He met with more than just two Russians, as reported today. There was AT LEAST one more in the room, possibly more. The third was a former Russia military (who says he was not trained as a spy (probably because he does not want to register as one) but served as counter-intelligence. This person said they talked about Clinton's ties to Russia and the lawyer was to pass a folder of information on to Trump...though he doesn't know if she did.
But, all of this is irrelevent...the meeting was set up to collude against Clinton - which was in the interest of both Russia and the Trump campaign. That is collusion - and it is a FACT that it happened.
And, no I don't think all Russians are "evil" I've worked with some that are pretty cool, in fact.
One guy I worked with said we think we have so much freedom in the US, but in some ways we really have a lot less. He was into homebrewing hard apple cider (which is surprisingly easy). But, there were all kinds of rules...that he could only do so much, could not sell it...and could not do whisky (moonshine). All of which he thought was bullshit laws designed to protect large companies. He is right. He said he could do whatever the fuck he wanted in Russia and nobody would care...especially if you shared a bit.
But, it is the Republican party essentially endorsing Russian espionage by keeping silent on what Trump has done that offends me. When I consider what we now know, anybody who defends Trump' working with Russia to defeat Clinton is defending Russia and their ability to hack into our election. That is wrong, and the Republican party has turned Communist. They will stay that way until they cut out the communist cancer in the White House.
