Marie Osmonds son takes own life

[Behshad]

Behshad is on a roll. He should be on a toilet paper roll, lol.

That was good. Old joke , but still good ,, guess you passed your audition for Jersey

[fredinator]

As someone who is still struggling with depression, I thought I'd add some input here.

To the guy who says committing suicide is only "for attention" - I've been in this state of mind many times, and it is the darkest, loneliest feeling you will ever feel. There really is nothing you can do...no amount of love and support from your family or friends can change the way you feel at those times. It's not a wound, you can't just bandage it up. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain....and sometimes, people feel the only way out is suicide. How do you solve any other problem? your brain. What happens when your brain is fucked? you feel that way too.

It was very severe for me for a few months. I dealt with it by taking sleeping pills and going to sleep....I didn't have any insurance and couldn't really get any help elsewhere. All they could do was recommend places, but I ended up just having some mobile crisis member come see me a few times. I went looking for help myself...nobody had to push me, I wasn't doing it for attention. I just didn't want to deal with it and have it ruin my life. I am a lucky one. I am only 20, and I fully realize at this moment, life is worth living. I am still waiting to get some type of help...but for now, I've been able to control it.

Anyway..before I go on a rant, I think there are people out there who aren't as lucky, and don't know/want/care how to get help for themselves.

Let me very clear here because I have been misinterpreted and probably added a bit of fuel to the fire purely for shock value. I believe depression exists. I've been there. But the way it has spiralled out of control with someone being diagnosed every 2 fucking seconds is absurd. There's a certain amount of depression that we all go through and then there's the more complex clinical sort, and it's very rare relative to all "cases."

My point is this ... I believe the vast majority of these people taking their own lives are doing so because they've been overly medicated and taught by society that this is an ok thing to do. It's not ... unless, like many of you have said, you're completely removed from reality. But *I* think that the vast majority are just plain fucking weak. But people that are "depressed" because they gambled away their entire life savings and decided to shoot up the office aren't depressed ... they're selfish fucking assholes!

You are very persuasive in nearly all of your arguments but your value judgments as far as lumping really depressed people in with people who shoot up the office is out of place and unfair. Just because YOU have been depressed and not killed yourself is not the bar to be set for other people who are/were sicker than you are/were.

[fredinator]

Behshad is on a roll. He should be on a toilet paper roll, lol.

That was good. Old joke , but still good ,, guess you passed your audition for Jersey

Well I will congratulate myself for that because I made that one up to myself. I'm tired of you so that's all for now.

[Saint John]

You are very persuasive in nearly all of your arguments but your value judgments as far as lumping really depressed people in with people who shoot up the office is out of place and unfair. Just because YOU have been depressed and not killed yourself is not the bar to be set for other people who are/were sicker than you are/were.

The office shootings were just an example of how I think society has been "taught" to be depressed. In many cases, not the clinical ones mind you, people think they are depressed and they think it's ok to act in some insanely selfish way ... it's not.

Here's an example that I think makes the point. When I was young and going to grade school and high school there were a few kids that were picked on fucking terribly. Not one of them jumped off of a building or brought a gun to school. But I can guaran-fucking-tee that if this same situation could be played out in today's day and age that one of those fuckers would have shot up the school or laid on train tracks ... because that's what they've been taught to do these days. Back then, they either ate the shit or fucking fought back because that's all they knew. They didn't need pills, a gun or a tall building.

[JH'sTXfan]

Behshad is on a roll. He should be on a toilet paper roll, lol.

That was good. Old joke , but still good ,, guess you passed your audition for Jersey

Well I will congratulate myself for that because I made that one up to myself. I'm tired of you so that's all for now.

Now that was funny.

[Behshad]

Behshad is on a roll. He should be on a toilet paper roll, lol.

That was good. Old joke , but still good ,, guess you passed your audition for Jersey

Well I will congratulate myself for that because I made that one up to myself. I'm tired of you so that's all for now.

Now that was funny.

It wasn't funny. It was hilarious




NEXT !

[RobbieG]

You wouldn't fit in Jersey Shore--you are funny and witty mostly.

Deano is an icon --- a legend --- The Godfather of Melodicrock!
There are a handful of Deano wannabees on this site, but none that can compare to the original.
He can tell me to suck his dick & call me Nancy, (& he has) but I still think he's totally awesome.

yeah right.

[squirt1]

DEPRESSION IS REAL. It seems to be genetic. The depletion of the brain chemical serotonon is the one that causes the hopeless feeling . It is the brain chemical that gives a person the feeling of well being. Usually, something big in life sets it off. Stress depletes brain chemicals. Many self medicate, many don't get treatment or do not take their meds as prescribed. I do not believe there are any 2 depressions that are the same. I also see it being a part of OCD and anxiety disorders.

[portland]

DEPRESSION IS REAL. It seems to be genetic. The depletion of the brain chemical serotonon is the one that causes the hopeless feeling . It is the brain chemical that gives a person the feeling of well being. Usually, something big in life sets it off. Stress depletes brain chemicals. Many self medicate, many don't get treatment or do not take their meds as prescribed. I do not believe there are any 2 depressions that are the same. I also see it being a part of OCD and anxiety disorders.

Yeah well this has been a hell of a thread.

My condolences go to the ones who have lost someone to this disease.....it is just as hard on the family and friends as it
it on the person who is experiencing the depression.

Peace to you all....

[Rockindeano]

DEPRESSION IS REAL. It seems to be genetic. The depletion of the brain chemical serotonon is the one that causes the hopeless feeling . It is the brain chemical that gives a person the feeling of well being. Usually, something big in life sets it off. Stress depletes brain chemicals. Many self medicate, many don't get treatment or do not take their meds as prescribed. I do not believe there are any 2 depressions that are the same. I also see it being a part of OCD and anxiety disorders.

Yeah well this has been a hell of a thread.

My condolences go to the ones who have lost someone to this disease.....it is just as hard on the family and friends as it
it on the person who is experiencing the depression.

Peace to you all....

Except RobbieG. Hope he finds joy on his one way trip to the fiery depths of Hell.

[Andrew]

DEPRESSION IS REAL.

I also see it being a part of OCD and anxiety disorders.

It is.

And yes, it is again.

[portland]

DEPRESSION IS REAL.

I also see it being a part of OCD and anxiety disorders.

It is.

And yes, it is again.

Once again it's not about us.


Thanks Andrew....you actually get it.

[Andrew]

DEPRESSION IS REAL.

I also see it being a part of OCD and anxiety disorders.

It is.

And yes, it is again.

Once again it's not about us.


Thanks Andrew....you actually get it.

I sure do.

And it's an EXTREMELY complicated illness/disease. EXTREMELY. It is just not about feeling down at any given time or all the time. It is life effecting and can be woven into so many other aspects of day to day artivity and every little thing a person does.

And depression is just the tip of the iceburg as to what can lie underneath.

[Andrew]

Because it's the cool thing to do

Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society.

Bingo! These fuckers need to be laughed at and made fun of, not felt sorry for. Being a selfish, self-centered pussy should never be condoned. Regardless of how sad I got I could never do this to my family.

Jesus mate. I've often questioned your outlook on life, but that statement is so seriously fucked, I wonder if you will ever gain clarity of thought. Holy shit man...

[Andrew]

Because it's the cool thing to do

Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society.

Bingo! These fuckers need to be laughed at and made fun of, not felt sorry for. Being a selfish, self-centered pussy should never be condoned. Regardless of how sad I got I could never do this to my family.

Good lord - clinical depression is not just about being 'sad'. Unless you've ever been close to anyone who suffers from it, you have no idea. What a horrible thing to say.

Nope. Can't say that I have. I tend to surround myself with people that appreciate and enjoy life.

What if they just CAN'T? And it's very clear you have never had the misfortune of dealing with this on any oersonallevel.

[portland]

DEPRESSION IS REAL.

I also see it being a part of OCD and anxiety disorders.

It is.

And yes, it is again.

Once again it's not about us.


Thanks Andrew....you actually get it.

I sure do.

And it's an EXTREMELY complicated illness/disease. EXTREMELY. It is just not about feeling down at any given time or all the time. It is life effecting and can be woven into so many other aspects of day to day artivity and every little thing a person does.

And depression is just the tip of the iceburg as to what can lie underneath.

That is my point.

Some here don't understand that the ones around the one who is suffering or
who left them...are the ones who suffer the most...It is not easy to watch..knowing you are
powerless against the disease that has the grip on someone you love.

[Andrew]

So if one of your family members or close friends became clinically depressed

They'd never do that. They're not selfish. But if they did they'd have my support for a short amount of time. I think problems can be solved with love and support, but I refuse to be an enabler.

Again, it's not that simple and don't judge unless you know what the fuck you're talking about.

It is simple, asshole. Do things that make you happy or kill yourself. But don't be a fun-sucking sponge to everyone around you in the mean time and don't expect a waterfall of tears from those that choose to enjoy life.

Right now I'm going to sign off and walk away from my PC as this shit is killing me. Dude, you are the only asshole here. And one blinded by a lack of understanding and vision of what life can be like for those that are under the spell of any kind of mental disorder or life crisis.

Holy crap....I don't think I've read any more infuriating posts in my time online. I need to log off before I read any more sanctamonius pollywaffle from Dr. John.

[Saint John]

Because it's the cool thing to do

Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society.

Bingo! These fuckers need to be laughed at and made fun of, not felt sorry for. Being a selfish, self-centered pussy should never be condoned. Regardless of how sad I got I could never do this to my family.

Jesus mate. I've often questioned your outlook on life, but that statement is so seriously fucked, I wonder if you will ever gain clarity of thought. Holy shit man...

My thought process is just fine, man. Which is in direct contrast to people that find jumping off of a building easier than facing their problems.

[Andrew]

Most people who are depressed are not that way by choice - if any of them. It's no more a choice to become depressed than it is to have a disease or a mental illness. They are all real afflictions. Some lead to death. No one wanted it that way. People who take their own life while depressed are no different than people who take their own life due to the pain of cancer or other diseases. Sometimes ending it all seems to be the only answer to them at the time and they snap.

Much respect to you Sir.

[Andrew]

Dan, I'm just wondering where you got your credentials to be able to say that depression is not real? A Cracker Jack box?

I'm just not one of these pussies that labels everything a "disease." Alcoholism ... not a disease. Drug addiction ... not a disease. Cancer ... is a disease! I refuse to spit in the faces of people with real diseases like cancer by calling the choices people make "diseases." You choose to drink, you choose to be a junkie and you choose to sit around feeling sorry for yourself. Because, in the end, that's really what these people are doing. Everyone goes through shit in their lives, but the unselfish people show resilience and bounce back.

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[Carla777]

DEPRESSION IS REAL. It seems to be genetic. The depletion of the brain chemical serotonon is the one that causes the hopeless feeling . It is the brain chemical that gives a person the feeling of well being. Usually, something big in life sets it off. Stress depletes brain chemicals. Many self medicate, many don't get treatment or do not take their meds as prescribed. I do not believe there are any 2 depressions that are the same. I also see it being a part of OCD and anxiety disorders.

Yeah well this has been a hell of a thread.

My condolences go to the ones who have lost someone to this disease.....it is just as hard on the family and friends as it
it on the person who is experiencing the depression.

Peace to you all....

Nice post Portland, must be very sad for the family and for the one who suffer of depression or take self destroy path
About the depression itself, not all have genetics causes, there are different types..endogeneus depression is the most difficult one, specially if is not treated at time..how sad news, i don't think we have the right to judge anyone who make this terrible desition to commite suicide

[portland]

DEPRESSION IS REAL. It seems to be genetic. The depletion of the brain chemical serotonon is the one that causes the hopeless feeling . It is the brain chemical that gives a person the feeling of well being. Usually, something big in life sets it off. Stress depletes brain chemicals. Many self medicate, many don't get treatment or do not take their meds as prescribed. I do not believe there are any 2 depressions that are the same. I also see it being a part of OCD and anxiety disorders.

Yeah well this has been a hell of a thread.

My condolences go to the ones who have lost someone to this disease.....it is just as hard on the family and friends as it
it on the person who is experiencing the depression.

Peace to you all....

Nice post Portland, must be very sad for the family and for the one who suffer of depression or take self destroy path
About the depression itself, not all have genetics causes, there are different types..endogeneus depression is the most difficult one, specially if is not treated at time..how sad news, i don't think we have the right to judge anyone who make this terrible desition to commite suicide

Thanks Carla and it can be a slow and painful death for all involved.

Sometimes it is not quick and fast....sometimes it takes several attempts for someone to actually end their life.

As I said PEACE to all who have had to endure it.

[slucero]

As someone who is still struggling with depression, I thought I'd add some input here.

To the guy who says committing suicide is only "for attention" - I've been in this state of mind many times, and it is the darkest, loneliest feeling you will ever feel. There really is nothing you can do...no amount of love and support from your family or friends can change the way you feel at those times. It's not a wound, you can't just bandage it up. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain....and sometimes, people feel the only way out is suicide. How do you solve any other problem? your brain. What happens when your brain is fucked? you feel that way too.

It was very severe for me for a few months. I dealt with it by taking sleeping pills and going to sleep....I didn't have any insurance and couldn't really get any help elsewhere. All they could do was recommend places, but I ended up just having some mobile crisis member come see me a few times. I went looking for help myself...nobody had to push me, I wasn't doing it for attention. I just didn't want to deal with it and have it ruin my life. I am a lucky one. I am only 20, and I fully realize at this moment, life is worth living. I am still waiting to get some type of help...but for now, I've been able to control it.

Anyway..before I go on a rant, I think there are people out there who aren't as lucky, and don't know/want/care how to get help for themselves.

Let me very clear here because I have been misinterpreted and probably added a bit of fuel to the fire purely for shock value. I believe depression exists. I've been there. But the way it has spiralled out of control with someone being diagnosed every 2 fucking seconds is absurd. There's a certain amount of depression that we all go through and then there's the more complex clinical sort, and it's very rare relative to all "cases."

My point is this ... I believe the vast majority of these people taking their own lives are doing so because they've been overly medicated and taught by society that this is an ok thing to do. It's not ... unless, like many of you have said, you're completely removed from reality. But *I* think that the vast majority are just plain fucking weak. But people that are "depressed" because they gambled away their entire life savings and decided to shoot up the office aren't depressed ... they're selfish fucking assholes!

If you (or anyone else for that mater) have ZERO empirical evidence to support your claim, then your "opinion" or "what you think" is nothing more than an illiterate GUESS...

[Saint John]

As someone who is still struggling with depression, I thought I'd add some input here.

To the guy who says committing suicide is only "for attention" - I've been in this state of mind many times, and it is the darkest, loneliest feeling you will ever feel. There really is nothing you can do...no amount of love and support from your family or friends can change the way you feel at those times. It's not a wound, you can't just bandage it up. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain....and sometimes, people feel the only way out is suicide. How do you solve any other problem? your brain. What happens when your brain is fucked? you feel that way too.

It was very severe for me for a few months. I dealt with it by taking sleeping pills and going to sleep....I didn't have any insurance and couldn't really get any help elsewhere. All they could do was recommend places, but I ended up just having some mobile crisis member come see me a few times. I went looking for help myself...nobody had to push me, I wasn't doing it for attention. I just didn't want to deal with it and have it ruin my life. I am a lucky one. I am only 20, and I fully realize at this moment, life is worth living. I am still waiting to get some type of help...but for now, I've been able to control it.

Anyway..before I go on a rant, I think there are people out there who aren't as lucky, and don't know/want/care how to get help for themselves.

Let me very clear here because I have been misinterpreted and probably added a bit of fuel to the fire purely for shock value. I believe depression exists. I've been there. But the way it has spiralled out of control with someone being diagnosed every 2 fucking seconds is absurd. There's a certain amount of depression that we all go through and then there's the more complex clinical sort, and it's very rare relative to all "cases."

My point is this ... I believe the vast majority of these people taking their own lives are doing so because they've been overly medicated and taught by society that this is an ok thing to do. It's not ... unless, like many of you have said, you're completely removed from reality. But *I* think that the vast majority are just plain fucking weak. But people that are "depressed" because they gambled away their entire life savings and decided to shoot up the office aren't depressed ... they're selfish fucking assholes!

If you (or anyone else for that mater) have ZERO empirical evidence to support your claim, then your "opinion" or "what you think" is nothing more than an illiterate GUESS...

Blaze away, man. You won't see me getting upset that you don't value my opinion.

[portland]

My head is going to explode.

Enough....just let this end.


All I want for people to get is there is a bigger picture than just what you or I think.....and well none of us
have the answers, if we did we would not have people who do this to themselves or the ones who love them.


Goodnight!

[Rockindeano]

My head is going to explode.

Enough....just let this end.


All I want for people to get is there is a bigger picture than just what you or I think.....and well none of us
have the answers, if we did we would not have people who do this to themselves or the ones who love them.

Ugh....goodnight all.

You have said "goodnight" 14 times now. Are you like me, in wondering if MG is getting pumped tonight? I really hope she is getting he high hard one.

[Rip Rokken]

I must say Dan, I always thought you were a fairly intelligent person....you've just proved me wrong.

With punctuation like that how can I even be offended?

Um...

You forgot the comma after "that".

There isn't one needed.

Just when I thought you two had reached some comma ground...

[Rip Rokken]

And it's an EXTREMELY complicated illness/disease. EXTREMELY. It is just not about feeling down at any given time or all the time. It is life effecting and can be woven into so many other aspects of day to day artivity and every little thing a person does.

And depression is just the tip of the iceburg as to what can lie underneath.

Of course it is. I know some people don't see that, or they lump suicidal behavior in with your run-of-the-mill publicity seeking drama queens out there, but it's absolutely a real problem in our society. Sometimes they are doing anything but looking for attention, and even their loved ones don't recognize the signs in time. Suicide is absolutely an extremely selfish act (unless done as an alternative to an imminent worse form of death, like being eaten by Nazi zombies or forced to listen to the last Bon Jovi album). Unfortunately people in that spot aren't in a rational form of mind, and sometimes people need HELP. A damn shame our society doesn't offer enough of it while there is still a chance. It's a COLD world we live in.

[stevew2]

Thats fucked up, and a selfish thing to do, i thought about once, and figured thats is so stupid. My girlfreinds sister ended her life, next month they are celebrateing her birthday. I dont know why they want to do that,i want no parts of it , seeing all the shit she we went though. Killing yourself hurts people you love forever, and after you croake . thats a fucked up thing to do

[artist4perry]

How old are you Behshad?

2 years old today! He is growing up to be such a big boy! LOL!

As for SJ and Matt, I love ya both, but this is not a discussion I care to be baited on. My brother has me worried, really worried, and I can't go near him. I live with this nightmare, so forgive me if my sense of humor on the subject is not in tact. I love him so much. I won't be mean to you guys, but I am telling you this is a painful thing for all involved. My heart goes out to Marrie's family.