President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Monker]

You're a losing liberal, and they (democrats) are losing this time around. I'll be here to see your tears when Trump wins by a landslide. Hillary is going to lose, or be indicted. Those are your options. Time for change.

If she was going to be indicted it would have been months ago. All of this recent stuff is actually OLD stuff that has been leaked. Or, it's just opinionating for people like you to get all heated about.

Hillary will not lose, especially matched up against Trump or Cruz. It's hilarious that the worst two Republican candidates are the two who are leading the pack. It's like Republicans are TRYING to nominate the worst candidate possible.

You and some of the others here are simply living in a bubble where you can ignore reality.

[Monker]

But if Bloomberg jumps in it WILL be interesting to see how he effects the the distribution of support.

I doubt he will get in. However, four years from now, he may do it if he thinks the sitting President is in a weak position....and it won't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican.

[Boomchild]

Who would want a Pres. like that? Only the mentally ill.

This reminds me of what Michael Savage has said. "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder".

[Monker]

Who would want a Pres. like that? Only the mentally ill.

This reminds me of what Michael Savage has said. "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder".

And, the candidate who is showing signs of a true mental disorder is leading the Republican party.

[slucero]

I'm pretty sure its "one count per violation", so by comparison..

Gen Patreaus: 1 charge of removing and retaining classified information

Hillary Clinton: 999 current count of emails containing classified information as of 12/1/15


She's gonna have to make a deal to not wind up being prosecuted... and the making of the deal will kill her run.

[Monker]

Isn't it funny how Republicans are dropping these things just days before the Iowa caucus? Hmmm.

It's not going to happen. No deal will have to be made because no charges will be filed. In fact, if a deal had to be made, it would already have been done.

I'm pretty sure its "one count per violation", so by comparison..

Gen Patreaus: 1 charge of removing and retaining classified information

Hillary Clinton: 999 current count of emails containing classified information as of 12/1/15


She's gonna have to make a deal to not wind up being prosecuted... and the making of the deal will kill her run.

[slucero]

Isn't it funny how Republicans are dropping these things just days before the Iowa caucus? Hmmm.

It's not going to happen. No deal will have to be made because no charges will be filed. In fact, if a deal had to be made, it would already have been done.

I'm pretty sure its "one count per violation", so by comparison..

Gen Patreaus: 1 charge of removing and retaining classified information

Hillary Clinton: 999 current count of emails containing classified information as of 12/1/15


She's gonna have to make a deal to not wind up being prosecuted... and the making of the deal will kill her run.

source please....

[Monker]

source please....

EXACTLY...who are these anonymous sources from the FBI? Do they even exist? It's too easy for some former Republican leader to come out and be all pissy with no real evidence to present other than people he refuses to name.

About time someone like you called these things out instead of just believing everything you read like some naive sheep.

[ohsherrie]

But if Bloomberg jumps in it WILL be interesting to see how he effects the the distribution of support.

I doubt he will get in. However, four years from now, he may do it if he thinks the sitting President is in a weak position....and it won't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican.

I agree but wish he would. He just might get my vote.

[steveo777]

But if Bloomberg jumps in it WILL be interesting to see how he effects the the distribution of support.

I doubt he will get in. However, four years from now, he may do it if he thinks the sitting President is in a weak position....and it won't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican.

I agree but wish he would. He just might get my vote.

Nobody who is anti 2nd amendment is ever getting my vote, period, end of story!

[The_Noble_Cause]

If she was going to be indicted it would have been months ago. All of this recent stuff is actually OLD stuff that has been leaked. Or, it's just opinionating for people like you to get all heated about.

Wow. Not sure how anyone who actually is following this story can say that. At this point, FBI has to recommend felony charges.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But if Bloomberg jumps in it WILL be interesting to see how he effects the the distribution of support.

I doubt he will get in. However, four years from now, he may do it if he thinks the sitting President is in a weak position....and it won't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican.

A pro-Wall Street, nanny government-enforcing liberal from New York would appeal to just who exactly? As an independent, he can't get into the debates. Tea Party conservatives won't vote for him. And neither would Occupy Wall Street liberals. Bloomberg has unlimited money but no appeal. Kinda like Jeb!

[JBlake]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration confirmed for the first time Friday that Hillary Clinton's unsecured home server contained closely guarded government secrets, censoring 22 emails with material requiring one of the highest levels of classification. The revelation comes just three days before the Iowa presidential nominating caucuses in which Clinton is a candidate.

Department officials also said the agency's Diplomatic Security and Intelligence and Research bureaus will investigate whether any of the information was classified at the time of transmission, going to the heart of one of Clinton's primary defenses of her email practices.

Her poll figures are dropping faster then Bill's pants at an all girls college sorority.

[Monker]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration confirmed for the first time Friday that Hillary Clinton's unsecured home server contained closely guarded government secrets, censoring 22 emails with material requiring one of the highest levels of classification. The revelation comes just three days before the Iowa presidential nominating caucuses in which Clinton is a candidate.

Department officials also said the agency's Diplomatic Security and Intelligence and Research bureaus will investigate whether any of the information was classified at the time of transmission, going to the heart of one of Clinton's primary defenses of her email practices.

Her poll figures are dropping faster then Bill's pants at an all girls college sorority.

Funny how reality disagrees with you:

Friday, January 29
Iowa Democratic Presidential Caucus PPP (D) Clinton 48, Sanders 40, O'Malley 7 Clinton +8

Thursday, January 28
2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination IBD/TIPP Clinton 50, Sanders 38, O'Malley 2 Clinton +12

So, according to that, she is pulling ahead in Iowa and her national numbers are still putting Sanders behind by over 10pts.

[ohsherrie]

But if Bloomberg jumps in it WILL be interesting to see how he effects the the distribution of support.

I doubt he will get in. However, four years from now, he may do it if he thinks the sitting President is in a weak position....and it won't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican.

A pro-Wall Street, nanny government-enforcing liberal from New York would appeal to just who exactly? As an independent, he can't get into the debates. Tea Party conservatives won't vote for him. And neither would Occupy Wall Street liberals. Bloomberg has unlimited money but no appeal. Kinda like Jeb!

Well now that you put it that way.

[The_Noble_Cause]

So, according to that, she is pulling ahead in Iowa and her national numbers are still putting Sanders behind by over 10pts.

National numbers are meaningless. The Clinton people are saying the same things about Bernie that they did about Obama. Dismissing his campaign as a fairy tale or being too idealistic in its reach. Of course, the best campaigns always inspire people. With the exception of maybe Dick Cheney, Hillary Clinton is the most unlikable politician in my lifetime. Monker, you are such a Hillary ass kisser. Why are you not mentioning how Hillary is now asking for more debates, after she colluded with the DNC to limit the debates? Why are you not discussing the fact that she left Iowa to go to Philly to raise money from the financial industry? Just the other day, Bernie had a crowd of 20000 and Hillary had a crowd of 600. The only thing keeping her afloat is the media. Bye bye bitch.

[RPM]

So, according to that, she is pulling ahead in Iowa and her national numbers are still putting Sanders behind by over 10pts.

National numbers are meaningless. The Clinton people are saying the same things about Bernie that they did about Obama. Dismissing his campaign as a fairy tale or being too idealistic in its reach. Of course, the best campaigns always inspire people. With the exception of maybe Dick Cheney, Hillary Clinton is the most unlikable politician in my lifetime. Monker, you are such a Hillary ass kisser. Why are you not mentioning how Hillary is now asking for more debates, after she colluded with the DNC to limit the debates? Why are you not discussing the fact that she left Iowa to go to Philly to raise money from the financial industry? Just the other day, Bernie had a crowd of 20000 and Hillary had a crowd of 600. The only thing keeping her afloat is the media. Bye bye bitch.

Great post. I do not agree with Bernie, But I respect the fact he is genuine and honest in his views.
Hillary is a liar, there is no Doubt there was collusion to avoid debates. Her disrespect for handling
classified information could end up eliminating her eligibilty all together.

[trekman]

I'll vote for Cruz if he is nominated. And I will vote for Trump over any Democrat. This is of course just an opinion piece. But I agree with the guy. Both parties are messed up. There needs to be changes.

Written by Dave Daubenmire on January 29, 2016

FROM A TED CRUZ SUPPORTER: The Case for Trump


I want to make it very clear right at the top that I am a Ted Cruz supporter. No one has been a more ardent supporter of “conservative values” than me. In fact, I have climbed a rung higher up the ladder than most. I do not identify as a “conservative.” I am a Christian. I rejected the “conservative” label years ago.

They are not the same, you know? If you have time take a moment to read my commentary from 2006 Counterfeit Salt. I take a backseat to no one in regards to my Christian-political bona fides. So don’t play the “you are a sellout” or “you are not a real Christian” or “you are controlled opposition” card on me.

I live out and walk out my Christianity every day on the streets of America. I don’t hide myself inside my prayer closet like so many others choose to do. Here is another commentary I wrote four years later in 2010 called Secular Conservatism. I have been publicly expressing my thoughts in near-weekly columns since 2004. What I have said in the past is available for the world to read. There is a record of where I have stood on the issues. They are all here. There are hundreds for you to read.

I pray I can get out everything I want to express in a few hundred words.

Let me say it again. I am a Ted Cruz supporter but I am not afraid of Donald Trump.

Our political system is broken. It is controlled by evil men…evil forces actually. The Republican Party has been a “pro-life” party since the days of Reagan. We had Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and nominees McCain and Romney and the war on the unborn has not abated one iota. Nevertheless I, and millions like me, continued to pull the “conservative” lever in the hopes that at some point the right “Republican” would do the right thing.

Meanwhile, the babies die. Planned Parenthood sells more parts than Auto Zone and EVERY moral issue that matters to me has been trampled underfoot without as much as a whimper from our “conservative Republican” representatives in Washington.

For years we believed that the Republicans would do what our pastors refuse to do…stand up, speak up, and stop the killing of precious, defenseless, innocent little boys and girls created in the image of God. Why would we expect more conviction from politicians than pastors?

At the latest “March for Life” we heard from all of the “pro-life” Republicans who haven’t done a damn thing to stop the killing. Being pro-life is nothing more than a political position….like being “pro-women”…meaningless platitudes.

(I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read Abortion stops a beating heart. How stupid, I thought to myself. Of course it does. You might as well have a bumper sticker stating brushing your teeth freshens your breath. Stating a fact is not a position. If you really believe “abortion stops a beating heart” what are you gonna do about it?)

Vote Republican. Yeah right. By the way, the March for Life was the 43rd March. How’s that marching working out for you? About the same way as voting “pro-life,” I guess. Have the “conservatives been faithful to do what they promised?

Remember, I am a Ted Cruz fan. But I am still waiting for him to issue this statement. “On my first day in office I will issue an executive order prohibiting all abortions in America. In 1973 we did not have the scientific advancements that we have to day and I am commissioning a panel to determine if the child inside the women is a living, human being. Until we have scientific proof we will err on the side of a baby’s right to life.”

Now THAT would be a pro-life President. The Republicans have played us for such fools. We got homosexual marriage on a Republican watch.

So, here is why I could vote for Trump.

We are at a watershed point in the history of America. I actually believe that the battle for Western Civilization is before us. We have not seen an election like this in my lifetime.

Quick. Think what makes up the “Democrat” constituency. Blacks, union workers, low educated, poor, young college women, and Hispanics.

Republican voters consist of, Evangelicals, gun-owners, military hawks, small government, debt conscious, traditional values folks. I hate the term “values voters” because we all vote our values. The problem is we no longer have common values.

Thirty years from now, if something is not done, the flood of immigrants sweeping into this land will change the political landscape forever. The electorate will consist of not only immigrants, but of immigrants that no longer have “American” values. Let’s be honest, the idea of “American” values is being undermined every day in this country. What do you think multi-cultural means? They can’t even speak our language…or understand our system of government…or believe in our Constitution.

A Trump candidacy breaks up the two-party stranglehold that is designed to keep the power elite in power. He has something no other Republican has…the ability to draw together “Americans” from both parties. Ted Cruz can not do that, although, in a perfect world, he is the type of Godly leader we need. But this is not the America we all used to know. Explosive changes are coming to this nation and we have a very short period of time to fix it. Realignment is taking place and we dare not miss this shift.

Let me share this story. One of my high school buddies is a dyed-in-the-wool union Democrat. Over breakfast the other day politics made its way onto our plate.

“Are you voting for Hillary?” I asked him.

“Hell no,” he tersely responded. “I wouldn’t vote for that witch. I’m voting Trump, if I vote at all.”

“Trump?!” I blurted out my coffee. “You’re voting for Trump…a Republican?”

“He ain’t no Republican. Trump is an American. He says what I think. Trump or communism…that’s the way I see it.”

I try to look farther down the road than most. Ted Cruz would be the best President but he cannot break the stranglehold that the Democrats have on minorities. We are asking a segment of our society to break a multi-generational mindset of Democrat loyalty. They won’t vote for Cruz because he is a Republican. It goes against everything they have believed.

But they can vote for Trump because he is an American who happens to be running as a Republican. They can vote for an American without violating their conscience.

Look down the road with me. If the America we all believe in is to survive then we must build a coalition of citizens who hold American values.

That coalition must consist of “Americans”…blacks, union workers, God-fearing folk…who share common American values. Only Trump has the ability to bring that coalition together. Once members of both parties will break free from the “liberal/conservative” boxes that the media and power-elite have herded the voters into we will have the opportunity to reshape the electorate in such a way that a Ted Cruz Presidency might one day become a reality.

This two-card Monty political system needs to be blown up. Twenty years from now, if we are still here, this Democrat/Republican system will be a thing of the past. In its place will be a political alignment much different from the one we see today…

I am not afraid of a Trump Presidency. I am more afraid of what we will become if we remain in the sheep-pens into which the media has herded us.

Let’s pray for Donald Trump. Pray the Lord opens his eyes. Pray the Lord does a miracle in his life. Even Jesus used an ass to accomplish His will.

I want Cruz…but I can live with Trump…and Trump is looking more and more like a reality. With each passing day.

Proverbs 21:1 — The king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.”

“Holy Spirit please penetrate Donald Trump’s heart. Do in his heart what You did in mine.” May that be our prayer.

[steveo777]

If the voters don't stop Hillary, since it appears that the DOJ is not going to, we'll never get our government back and it will become even more corrupt and self serving. The only Democrat who deserves to win, based on having some modicum of integrity, is Bernie Sanders. But his ideas are not feasible and therefore he will not get the nomination. Again, we end up back to the frightening possibility of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Hopefully, enough voters are awake and just say no! If good sense prevails we're going to have a Republican President. The Democrats have no good choices this time around. I've voted for both Democrats and Republicans over my lifetime. I do not toe a party line and I watch all the debates, Democrat and Republican, because I care about the issues. I'm not hearing anything that interests me, out of the Democrats, this time around. We cannot continue to believe in those who's platform is more government handouts. More debt is going to be a disaster.

[Monker]

So, according to that, she is pulling ahead in Iowa and her national numbers are still putting Sanders behind by over 10pts.

National numbers are meaningless.

I posted the two latest polls....and they completely disagreed with what I was replying to, that they were falling. Facts are hard things to get around.

The Clinton people are saying the same things about Bernie that they did about Obama. Dismissing his campaign as a fairy tale or being too idealistic in its reach.

I really don't care. I don't listen to what the "Clinton people" say. *I* say Bernie will never win because he is a socialist. Period.

With the exception of maybe Dick Cheney, Hillary Clinton is the most unlikable politician in my lifetime.

Trump has higher negatives than Clinton. But, don't let the facts get in the way of your hate.

Monker, you are such a Hillary ass kisser. Why are you not mentioning how Hillary is now asking for more debates, after she colluded with the DNC to limit the debates? Why are you not discussing the fact that she left Iowa to go to Philly to raise money from the financial industry? Just the other day, Bernie had a crowd of 20000 and Hillary had a crowd of 600. The only thing keeping her afloat is the media. Bye bye bitch.

I don't discuss those things cuz they don't matter much...especially in a caucus state. As for Bernie, as I have said, if he can't get those people to vote then those large crowds mean NOTHING. And, according to the polls, they don't mean as much as you want to believe they do.

[Monker]

Hopefully, enough voters are awake and just say no! If good sense prevails we're going to have a Republican President.

LOL...Trump does not equal good sense. Trump = insanity. Many, many, Republicans don't like Cruz. The top two Republicans are unelectable. Now, if you get to Rubio, you may have something.....but, along with that nomination you will have a rebellion in the "tea party" section of the party...along with others who are tired of "establishment" candidates...and he may lose as a result of that rebellion.

The bottom line is that no matter what happens on the Republican side, they are screwed.

The Democrats have no good choices this time around.

According to you. According to the 'norm' in the country both Clinton and Sanders are better choices than either of the top Republican candidates...and Clinton is still favored to win, whether you like her or not. And, there is no infighting on the Democrat side - at all. They are playing for the party to win, not as individuals - as the Republicans are.

[Monker]

This reads like something Glen Beck would write. Except, he said that if Trump wins the nomination that it would mean the end of the Republican party.

I'll vote for Cruz if he is nominated. And I will vote for Trump over any Democrat. This is of course just an opinion piece. But I agree with the guy. Both parties are messed up. There needs to be changes.

Written by Dave Daubenmire on January 29, 2016

FROM A TED CRUZ SUPPORTER: The Case for Trump

[steveo777]

Monker, if a Republican is not elected, I will buy you a burger and a beer. I say you're wrong, but this thread will survive until we start the Trump 1st term thread.

[Boomchild]

The State Department is lying when it says it didn’t know until it was too late that Hillary Clinton was improperly using personal e-mails and a private server to conduct official business — because it never set up an agency e-mail address for her in the first place, the department’s former top watchdog says.

“This was all planned in advance” to skirt rules governing federal records management, said Howard J. Krongard, who served as the agency’s inspector general from 2005 to 2008.

The Harvard-educated lawyer points out that, from Day One, Clinton was never assigned and never used a state.gov e-mail address like previous secretaries.

“That’s a change in the standard. It tells me that this was premeditated. And this eliminates claims by the State Department that they were unaware of her private e-mail server until later,” Krongard said in an exclusive interview. “How else was she supposed to do business without e-mail?”

Just another sign of the corruption in our federal government. So much for the "transparent administration" B.O. was promising the public. If this was some kind of oversight, then we have serious problems in the government security. As if we are supposed to believe the administration did not know what she was doing with her email communications.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I posted the two latest polls....and they completely disagreed with what I was replying to, that they were falling. Facts are hard things to get around.

You posted two polls from Jan 28-29. How would that establish an increase or decrease in numbers? You posted nothing to contrast her current numbers to.

I really don't care. I don't listen to what the "Clinton people" say. *I* say Bernie will never win because he is a socialist. Period.

Every Democrat has been called a socialist. Bernie's "Democratic socialism" is no different than FDR or Truman. A REAL Democrat.

Trump has higher negatives than Clinton. But, don't let the facts get in the way of your hate.

I said "in my lifetime." Hillary being a shrill fish-mongering whore is strictly my personal opinion.

[Monker]

The State Department is lying when it says it didn’t know until it was too late that Hillary Clinton was improperly using personal e-mails and a private server to conduct official business — because it never set up an agency e-mail address for her in the first place, the department’s former top watchdog says.

“This was all planned in advance” to skirt rules governing federal records management, said Howard J. Krongard, who served as the agency’s inspector general from 2005 to 2008.

The Harvard-educated lawyer points out that, from Day One, Clinton was never assigned and never used a state.gov e-mail address like previous secretaries.

“That’s a change in the standard. It tells me that this was premeditated. And this eliminates claims by the State Department that they were unaware of her private e-mail server until later,” Krongard said in an exclusive interview. “How else was she supposed to do business without e-mail?”

Just another sign of the corruption in our federal government. So much for the "transparent administration" B.O. was promising the public. If this was some kind of oversight, then we have serious problems in the government security. As if we are supposed to believe the administration did not know what she was doing with her email communications.

And, there you go again, buying into more propaganda. Both the writer and the person interviewed have far right Republican biases....and this is essentially an opinion piece with no real facts.

You are incredibly naive.

[Monker]

I posted the two latest polls....and they completely disagreed with what I was replying to, that they were falling. Facts are hard things to get around.

You posted two polls from Jan 28-29. How would that establish an increase or decrease in numbers? You posted nothing to contrast her current numbers to.

Oh, please. You and others have quoted polls stating that Clinton and Sanders were neck and neck in Iowa. National polls have been around 15% for a couple months now. We all know these things.

Every Democrat has been called a socialist. Bernie's "Democratic socialism" is no different than FDR or Truman. A REAL Democrat.

Ronald Reagan would be called a Rhino, and worse, if he ran today...and he would never win a Republican nomination. The Republican and conservative rhetoric labels everything they don't agree with as socialism or communism. Nowadays people in their own party have to put up with these labels.

But, Bernie calls HIMSELF a socialist. There is a big difference there.

And, BTW, Republicans loved to label Obama as Hitler. But, Trump is using fear and hate in a very similar way as Hitler used to gain power. He's even using racism in the same way. All he needs to do is start building concentration camps and gas chambers for those he decided he hates enough.

Trump has higher negatives than Clinton. But, don't let the facts get in the way of your hate.

I said "in my lifetime." Hillary being a shrill fish-mongering whore is strictly my personal opinion.[/quote][/quote]

Ah, so "in my lifetime" does not mean people who lived in your lifetime, but instead means, "IMO". That's good to know.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, please. You and others have quoted polls stating that Clinton and Sanders were neck and neck in Iowa. National polls have been around 15% for a couple months now. We all know these things.

That is not the point. The poster said Hillary's polls were dropping. And then you go ahead and post isolated figures, which proves absolutely NOTHING. Early on, Hillary would very selectively talk to the media and not even refer to her competitor by name. Now she is whoring it up to any media outlet, short of public access, begging for more last minute unsanctioned debates and attacking Bernie 24/7. Any Democrat who comes out against single-payer healthcare should leave the party. She's a real pig.

But, Bernie calls HIMSELF a socialist. There is a big difference there.

"Democratic socialist" - So Hillary calls herself a progressive instead of a lib or socialist and puts forward similar redistributionist welfare state policies. The only difference is Bernie is honest and your candidate is a cowardly liar. To quote Otto Von Bismark discussing his radical plan of retirement pensions: "Call it socialism or whatever you like." Americans don't care about silly shit like that.

Ah, so "in my lifetime" does not mean people who lived in your lifetime, but instead means, "IMO". That's good to know.

Like nearly every post, I am speaking fom my own point of view. And in my opinion, Hillary is as bad as George W or Cheney. The fact that you need to bring up Trump in order to defend Hill's likeability, is pretty telling. Stop hiding behind Trump, you little bitch, and start defending your Goldman Sachs-beholden criminal candidate.

[ohsherrie]

If the voters don't stop Hillary, since it appears that the DOJ is not going to, we'll never get our government back and it will become even more corrupt and self serving. The only Democrat who deserves to win, based on having some modicum of integrity, is Bernie Sanders. But his ideas are not feasible and therefore he will not get the nomination. Again, we end up back to the frightening possibility of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Hopefully, enough voters are awake and just say no! If good sense prevails we're going to have a Republican President. The Democrats have no good choices this time around. I've voted for both Democrats and Republicans over my lifetime. I do not toe a party line and I watch all the debates, Democrat and Republican, because I care about the issues. I'm not hearing anything that interests me, out of the Democrats, this time around. We cannot continue to believe in those who's platform is more government handouts. More debt is going to be a disaster.

And you really think the republicans are going to get the corruption out of government? You are either misinformed or have a personal interest in getting a republican elected. Nobody who actually follows politics can be that naive.

[Monker]

Much like all of your posts then?

You are such a liar. I do not go about posting articles and links of propaganda like you do.

I've caught you in so many lies, that you are simply pathetic. I guess you have to post links and plagiarize articles because when you don't, you simply post obvious lies.