OFFICIAL 2010-2011 NFL season & predictions thread:

[RossValoryRocks]

Peyton Manning should distract Rex Ryan by playing with out any shoes, maybe painting his toe nails HAWT pink.....

I just shot beer all over the place!! That is the funniest post I have ever seen on here...bar none!

[YoungJRNY]

Biggest upset EVER?

Not even close. Seattle was an 11 point dog. The 2001 Patriots were a 14 point dog to "The Greatest Show on Turf" Rams in the Super Bowl and I don't know 10 Patriots fans who didn't think St. Louis would have any problem covering!

Regardless of Vegas's line, givin that the Super Bowl is ANYONE'S game and that both teams deserved to be there, being the high soaring, Super Bowl champions who virtually has a first round playoff game versus a team that was 7-9 in the regular season and seeing a 7-9 team completley out play an elite winning franchise all game long when they had no business to provides to be a bigger upset givin the set circumstance. New England beat Oakland, Pittsburgh AND St.Louis in that '01 run, a team that showed they can upset. Seattle had none of that against an opponent that should have beaten them by double digits.

[Enigma869]

seeing a 7-9 team completley out play an elite winning franchise all game long when they had no business to provides to be a bigger upset givin the set circumstance. New England beat Oakland, Pittsburgh AND St.Louis in that '01 run, a team that showed they can upset. Seattle had none of that against an opponent that should have beaten them by double digits.

Two points...First and foremost, what the fuck are you smoking calling the Saints "an elite winning franchise"? You do realize that prior to winning the Super Bowl last season that the Saints were most famous for their home fans wearing bags over their heads, right? Elite winning franchise and the Saints in the same sentence is fucking hilarious! Winning one Super Bowl and puking on your shoes the following season doesn't make the Saints "an elite winning franchise". The reality is that before last season, the Saints were basically the Detroit Lions, except with fewer wins!

As for the 2001 Patriots...it doesn't really matter who they beat. Hell, you're actually making my argument for me, because in spite of beating Oakland and Pittsburgh, they were still 14 point dogs in The Super Bowl!

[conversationpc]

Biggest upset EVER?

Not even close. Seattle was an 11 point dog. The 2001 Patriots were a 14 point dog to "The Greatest Show on Turf" Rams in the Super Bowl and I don't know 10 Patriots fans who didn't think St. Louis would have any problem covering!

I think that Giants upset of the Pats in the Super Bowl a couple yeas ago was a pretty big one, too.

[S2M]

Biggest upset EVER?

Not even close. Seattle was an 11 point dog. The 2001 Patriots were a 14 point dog to "The Greatest Show on Turf" Rams in the Super Bowl and I don't know 10 Patriots fans who didn't think St. Louis would have any problem covering!

I think that Giants upset of the Pats in the Super Bowl a couple yeas ago was a pretty big one, too.

It wasn't an upset. I'll give NY props for keeping it from being a blowout....but it was NOT an upset....hell, NY almost beat NE in the season closer. a hold on Seymour by O'Hara, and there ya go.....

[YoungJRNY]

seeing a 7-9 team completley out play an elite winning franchise all game long when they had no business to provides to be a bigger upset givin the set circumstance. New England beat Oakland, Pittsburgh AND St.Louis in that '01 run, a team that showed they can upset. Seattle had none of that against an opponent that should have beaten them by double digits.

Two points...First and foremost, what the fuck are you smoking calling the Saints "an elite winning franchise"? You do realize that prior to winning the Super Bowl last season that the Saints were most famous for their home fans wearing bags over their heads, right? Elite winning franchise and the Saints in the same sentence is fucking hilarious! Winning one Super Bowl and puking on your shoes the following season doesn't make the Saints "an elite winning franchise". The reality is that before last season, the Saints were basically the Detroit Lions, except with fewer wins!

As for the 2001 Patriots...it doesn't really matter who they beat. Hell, you're actually making my argument for me, because in spite of beating Oakland and Pittsburgh, they were still 14 point dogs in The Super Bowl!

Whatever you just said doesn't take away the fact that New Orleans was an elite franchise this season, as well as reigning NFL champions with one of the best and most efficient quarterbacks in the league. My point is, is that I think more people gave New England a shot in their Super Bowl against the Rams because A.) They were a Cinderella team B.) They beat the best teams in their conference and C.) The Super Bowl is built for the teams that deserve to be there so regardless of being underdogs IN THE SUPER BOWL, the hapless Seahawks who could barely get into the post-season over a 6-10 team, virtually had NO shot at winning whatsoever, but yet, beat the reigning champions in dominant fashion.

Since Seattle will most likely never win again, this upset will be swept under the rug beneath the '01 Pats upset only because it was the Super Bowl. But givin the circumstance, this is pretty damn big, if not bigger for a team that ultimately sucks all the way around but beating an NFL favorite to repeat.

[RedWingFan]

Two points...First and foremost, what the fuck are you smoking calling the Saints "an elite winning franchise"? You do realize that prior to winning the Super Bowl last season that the Saints were most famous for their home fans wearing bags over their heads, right? Elite winning franchise and the Saints in the same sentence is fucking hilarious! Winning one Super Bowl and puking on your shoes the following season doesn't make the Saints "an elite winning franchise". The reality is that before last season, the Saints were basically the Detroit Lions, except with fewer wins.

He's got you there Trav. If you're going to call the Saints "an elite winning franchise", you might as well slap the same tag on the Cardinals for making it to the SB once.

As for the 2001 Patriots...it doesn't really matter who they beat. Hell, you're actually making my argument for me, because in spite of beating Oakland...

Uh, technically.....

[Enigma869]

But givin the circumstance, this is pretty damn big, if not bigger for a team that ultimately sucks all the way around but beating an NFL favorite to repeat.

Favorite to repeat by whom? Sorry dude, but you need to stop drinking so much Four Loko. The Saints won the Super Bowl last season. That and fifty cents will buy you a newspaper. I don't know many NFL observers who thought the Saints were favorites "to repeat". Green Bay, Philadelphia and Atlanta are all better teams than the Saints are, Drew Brees or not. They play ZERO defense and gave up forty freakin' points to a team that doesn't know how to play offense. They may have been your favorite, kid, but they had ZERO shot in my mind. Sure, I thought they would beat Seattle, but that was about it.

[YoungJRNY]

Two points...First and foremost, what the fuck are you smoking calling the Saints "an elite winning franchise"? You do realize that prior to winning the Super Bowl last season that the Saints were most famous for their home fans wearing bags over their heads, right? Elite winning franchise and the Saints in the same sentence is fucking hilarious! Winning one Super Bowl and puking on your shoes the following season doesn't make the Saints "an elite winning franchise". The reality is that before last season, the Saints were basically the Detroit Lions, except with fewer wins.

He's got you there Trav. If you're going to call the Saints "an elite winning franchise", you might as well slap the same tag on the Cardinals for making it to the SB once.

As for the 2001 Patriots...it doesn't really matter who they beat. Hell, you're actually making my argument for me, because in spite of beating Oakland...

Uh, technically.....

I'm not talking history. I'm talking about the damn team, calling them a franchise. They are an elite franchise this year in the league, period. I'm not talking about when the fans put bag over their heads. Damn.

[YoungJRNY]

I've never watched an NFL season to where the whole entire LEAGUE was wide open and if the Saints would have beat the Seahags like they were supposed to, then they were going to be one of those teams favored in the NFC to get to the big dance to repeat. Until the champs are eliminated, there's always talk of repeating and knocking them off and the Saints held that honor (N.O just beat Atlanta, the #1 seed in the NFC, in their house 2 weeks ago, someplace where they never lose.) So I'd like to think that with Drew Brees, one of the best in the game, were favored.

They may have been your favorite, kid, but they had ZERO shot in my mind.

Nope, I picked Green Bay in my pre-season Super Bowl representative and stuck by them all year.

[S2M]

I've never watched an NFL season to where the whole entire LEAGUE was wide open and if the Saints would have beat the Seahags like they were supposed to, then they were going to be one of those teams favored in the NFC to get to the big dance to repeat. Until the champs are eliminated, there's always talk of repeating and knocking them off and the Saints held that honor (N.O just beat Atlanta, the #1 seed in the NFC, in their house 2 weeks ago, someplace where they never lose.) So I'd like to think that with Drew Brees, one of the best in the game, were favored.

They may have been your favorite, kid, but they had ZERO shot in my mind.

Nope, I picked Green Bay in my pre-season Super Bowl representative and stuck by them all year.

Ok...GB was your preseason pick. I can go with that. But what have you seen that makes you think ANYBODY can beat NE, especially at home?

IMHO, Aaron is Dan Marino....he'll get his stats, but will never win when it counts.....

[YoungJRNY]

I've never watched an NFL season to where the whole entire LEAGUE was wide open and if the Saints would have beat the Seahags like they were supposed to, then they were going to be one of those teams favored in the NFC to get to the big dance to repeat. Until the champs are eliminated, there's always talk of repeating and knocking them off and the Saints held that honor (N.O just beat Atlanta, the #1 seed in the NFC, in their house 2 weeks ago, someplace where they never lose.) So I'd like to think that with Drew Brees, one of the best in the game, were favored.

They may have been your favorite, kid, but they had ZERO shot in my mind.

Nope, I picked Green Bay in my pre-season Super Bowl representative and stuck by them all year.

Ok...GB was your preseason pick. I can go with that. But what have you seen that makes you think ANYBODY can beat NE, especially at home?

IMHO, Aaron is Dan Marino....he'll get his stats, but will never win when it counts.....

Well, for one, Matt fucking Flynn was one retarded brain-freeze away from pulling the upset some weeks ago in Foxborough and N.E lost to Cleveland this year. Anything could happen brosophine!

[RPM]

I've never watched an NFL season to where the whole entire LEAGUE was wide open and if the Saints would have beat the Seahags like they were supposed to, then they were going to be one of those teams favored in the NFC to get to the big dance to repeat. Until the champs are eliminated, there's always talk of repeating and knocking them off and the Saints held that honor (N.O just beat Atlanta, the #1 seed in the NFC, in their house 2 weeks ago, someplace where they never lose.) So I'd like to think that with Drew Brees, one of the best in the game, were favored.

They may have been your favorite, kid, but they had ZERO shot in my mind.

Nope, I picked Green Bay in my pre-season Super Bowl representative and stuck by them all year.

Ok...GB was your preseason pick. I can go with that. But what have you seen that makes you think ANYBODY can beat NE, especially at home?

IMHO, Aaron is Dan Marino....he'll get his stats, but will never win when it counts.....

Thats a fair statement, however, I would not put him in Marino company yet ......

[YoungJRNY]

I've never watched an NFL season to where the whole entire LEAGUE was wide open and if the Saints would have beat the Seahags like they were supposed to, then they were going to be one of those teams favored in the NFC to get to the big dance to repeat. Until the champs are eliminated, there's always talk of repeating and knocking them off and the Saints held that honor (N.O just beat Atlanta, the #1 seed in the NFC, in their house 2 weeks ago, someplace where they never lose.) So I'd like to think that with Drew Brees, one of the best in the game, were favored.

They may have been your favorite, kid, but they had ZERO shot in my mind.

Nope, I picked Green Bay in my pre-season Super Bowl representative and stuck by them all year.

Ok...GB was your preseason pick. I can go with that. But what have you seen that makes you think ANYBODY can beat NE, especially at home?

IMHO, Aaron is Dan Marino....he'll get his stats, but will never win when it counts.....

Thats a fair statement, however, I would not put him in Marino company yet ......

Haha, how is that a fair statement? This is only Rodgers 3rd full season at starting QB for Green Bay and he will probably have MANY upon many opportunities to be givin the chance to win a Super Bowl and prove he can do it versus a retiree that never won the Super Bowl.

[RossValoryRocks]

I am hoping that Indy beats the Jets...I want the Ravens to pound on Brady and Company a bit...I don't think the Ravens can beat them...then again...I didn't think they would do it 2 years ago either...but I want to face a TIRED New England...and I think the Steelers can beat Indy in Pittsburgh in the cold, and tied Patriots are easier to beat than one that gets a patsy in the Jets or KC.

All that being said...Beating New England is going to be tough, period.

[S2M]

I am hoping that Indy beats the Jets...I want the Ravens to pound on Brady and Company a bit...I don't think the Ravens can beat them...then again...I didn't think they would do it 2 years ago either...but I want to face a TIRED New England...and I think the Steelers can beat Indy in Pittsburgh in the cold, and tied Patriots are easier to beat than one that gets a patsy in the Jets or KC.

All that being said...Beating New England is going to be tough, period.

Ravens beat a NE team without Welker....nuff said.

[YoungJRNY]

I am hoping that Indy beats the Jets...I want the Ravens to pound on Brady and Company a bit...I don't think the Ravens can beat them...then again...I didn't think they would do it 2 years ago either...but I want to face a TIRED New England...and I think the Steelers can beat Indy in Pittsburgh in the cold, and tied Patriots are easier to beat than one that gets a patsy in the Jets or KC.

All that being said...Beating New England is going to be tough, period.

Don't sleep on Kansas City. Out of all the teams equipped to pull the upset, it's the Chiefs tomorrow. That Arrowhead stadium is going to be ROCKIN' beyond belief (the 12th man proved that theory today) and I don't think Balty is anywhere near as good as their 12-4 record. The Chiefs may be a one win team, and the perfect time is tomorrow and I think they do it. Kansas City may be a team that would cause N.E to have a fit if they travel to N.E.

[RPM]

I've never watched an NFL season to where the whole entire LEAGUE was wide open and if the Saints would have beat the Seahags like they were supposed to, then they were going to be one of those teams favored in the NFC to get to the big dance to repeat. Until the champs are eliminated, there's always talk of repeating and knocking them off and the Saints held that honor (N.O just beat Atlanta, the #1 seed in the NFC, in their house 2 weeks ago, someplace where they never lose.) So I'd like to think that with Drew Brees, one of the best in the game, were favored.

They may have been your favorite, kid, but they had ZERO shot in my mind.

Nope, I picked Green Bay in my pre-season Super Bowl representative and stuck by them all year.

Ok...GB was your preseason pick. I can go with that. But what have you seen that makes you think ANYBODY can beat NE, especially at home?

IMHO, Aaron is Dan Marino....he'll get his stats, but will never win when it counts.....

based on years of watching D.M. and what A.R. has shown so far, i can see why :young" is part of ur name...lol

[YoungJRNY]

I am hoping that Indy beats the Jets...I want the Ravens to pound on Brady and Company a bit...I don't think the Ravens can beat them...then again...I didn't think they would do it 2 years ago either...but I want to face a TIRED New England...and I think the Steelers can beat Indy in Pittsburgh in the cold, and tied Patriots are easier to beat than one that gets a patsy in the Jets or KC.

All that being said...Beating New England is going to be tough, period.

Ravens beat a NE team without Welker....nuff said.

But they still had Tom Brady (a 14-2 playoff record who never losses at home) and also Randy Moss. Give Balty credit my man, they ran the ball down N.E's throat with the slightest of ease and never looked in the review mirror to see if their hearts were still beating. Welker would of made a slight improvement, but not much. Baltimore always plays N.E well and match's up nicely.

[RossValoryRocks]

I am hoping that Indy beats the Jets...I want the Ravens to pound on Brady and Company a bit...I don't think the Ravens can beat them...then again...I didn't think they would do it 2 years ago either...but I want to face a TIRED New England...and I think the Steelers can beat Indy in Pittsburgh in the cold, and tied Patriots are easier to beat than one that gets a patsy in the Jets or KC.

All that being said...Beating New England is going to be tough, period.

Ravens beat a NE team without Welker....nuff said.

Ok...I might give you that...the Browns HUMILIATED a NE team WITH Welker...

Again...I am not saying the Ravens can beat them, but the Ravens are one of the most physical defenses out there...I want them to tire New England out, then I think they could be beatable by a team (hopefully the Steelers) in the AFC Championship Game.

[YoungJRNY]

I've never watched an NFL season to where the whole entire LEAGUE was wide open and if the Saints would have beat the Seahags like they were supposed to, then they were going to be one of those teams favored in the NFC to get to the big dance to repeat. Until the champs are eliminated, there's always talk of repeating and knocking them off and the Saints held that honor (N.O just beat Atlanta, the #1 seed in the NFC, in their house 2 weeks ago, someplace where they never lose.) So I'd like to think that with Drew Brees, one of the best in the game, were favored.

They may have been your favorite, kid, but they had ZERO shot in my mind.

Nope, I picked Green Bay in my pre-season Super Bowl representative and stuck by them all year.

Ok...GB was your preseason pick. I can go with that. But what have you seen that makes you think ANYBODY can beat NE, especially at home?

IMHO, Aaron is Dan Marino....he'll get his stats, but will never win when it counts.....

based on years of watching D.M. and what A.R. has shown so far, i can see why :young" is part of ur name...lol

I'm not disputing that Rodgers isn't Marino-like. I've watched a lot of Marino as a kid. A.R is actually more elusive than Marino because Rodgers has a different style, preferably making plays with his legs and is mobile as hell and can get out of the pocket if need be and be just as effective. If anything Ben and Rodgers are similiar, maybe more Elway-like in their respects.

I was talking more of S2M's claim of Rodgers never winning the big one when his career basically just started.

[S2M]

I am hoping that Indy beats the Jets...I want the Ravens to pound on Brady and Company a bit...I don't think the Ravens can beat them...then again...I didn't think they would do it 2 years ago either...but I want to face a TIRED New England...and I think the Steelers can beat Indy in Pittsburgh in the cold, and tied Patriots are easier to beat than one that gets a patsy in the Jets or KC.

All that being said...Beating New England is going to be tough, period.

Ravens beat a NE team without Welker....nuff said.

But they still had Tom Brady (a 14-2 playoff record who never losses at home) and also Randy Moss. Give Balty credit my man, they ran the ball down N.E's throat with the slightest of ease and never looked in the review mirror to see if their hearts were still beating. Welker would of made a slight improvement, but not much. Baltimore always plays N.E well and match's up nicely.

Trav...I know you play football, and you seem to breathe the game, but you don't know everything....Wes is a possession receiver. A drive sustainer. Having him would have changed the WHOLE game....You tell Parcells back in '86 and '91, when they were clock eaters that not having a possession receiver, or one of their RBs - that it wouldn't have made that much of a difference....That Giant team was constantly scoring on 8:00-10:00 minute drives....Wes would've allowed NE to win that game...no matter what Balty did on offense....

[RPM]

I've never watched an NFL season to where the whole entire LEAGUE was wide open and if the Saints would have beat the Seahags like they were supposed to, then they were going to be one of those teams favored in the NFC to get to the big dance to repeat. Until the champs are eliminated, there's always talk of repeating and knocking them off and the Saints held that honor (N.O just beat Atlanta, the #1 seed in the NFC, in their house 2 weeks ago, someplace where they never lose.) So I'd like to think that with Drew Brees, one of the best in the game, were favored.

They may have been your favorite, kid, but they had ZERO shot in my mind.

Nope, I picked Green Bay in my pre-season Super Bowl representative and stuck by them all year.

Ok...GB was your preseason pick. I can go with that. But what have you seen that makes you think ANYBODY can beat NE, especially at home?

IMHO, Aaron is Dan Marino....he'll get his stats, but will never win when it counts.....

based on years of watching D.M. and what A.R. has shown so far, i can see why :young" is part of ur name...lol

I'm not disputing that Rodgers isn't Marino-like. I've watched a lot of Marino as a kid. A.R is actually more elusive than Marino because Rodgers has a different style, preferably making plays with his legs and is mobile as hell and can get out of the pocket if need be and be just as effective. If anything Ben and Rodgers are similiar, maybe more Elway-like in their respects.

I was talking more of S2M's claim of Rodgers never winning the big one when his career basically just started.

ok, that makes sense, A.R. is more elusive , however D.M. had a very fast release, A.R. has many years ahead of him, i think hes an excellent Q.B.

[Enigma869]

Don't sleep on Kansas City. Out of all the teams equipped to pull the upset, it's the Chiefs tomorrow. That Arrowhead stadium is going to be ROCKIN' beyond belief (the 12th man proved that theory today) and I don't think Balty is anywhere near as good as their 12-4 record. The Chiefs may be a one win team, and the perfect time is tomorrow and I think they do it. Kansas City may be a team that would cause N.E to have a fit if they travel to N.E.

Unlike S2M, I'm not fucking delusional enough to claim that any team is invincible. ANY team in the NFL can lose and sometimes even lose to an inferior team (like the 2007 Patriots). That said, the Chiefs don't scare me, even a little. Again, I understand anything can happen, but they're simply not on the same planet with New England. As I said previously, take a look at the teams they beat this season. It's almost laughable who they compiled all their wins against. The only thing that really gives them a fighting chance against anyone is that like New England, they simply don't turn the ball over.

[S2M]

I don't think Rexy got the memo that Manning likes slant routes....especially on 3rd and long. Pitiful 3rd down defense by Jets....

[YoungJRNY]

I am hoping that Indy beats the Jets...I want the Ravens to pound on Brady and Company a bit...I don't think the Ravens can beat them...then again...I didn't think they would do it 2 years ago either...but I want to face a TIRED New England...and I think the Steelers can beat Indy in Pittsburgh in the cold, and tied Patriots are easier to beat than one that gets a patsy in the Jets or KC.

All that being said...Beating New England is going to be tough, period.

Ravens beat a NE team without Welker....nuff said.

But they still had Tom Brady (a 14-2 playoff record who never losses at home) and also Randy Moss. Give Balty credit my man, they ran the ball down N.E's throat with the slightest of ease and never looked in the review mirror to see if their hearts were still beating. Welker would of made a slight improvement, but not much. Baltimore always plays N.E well and match's up nicely.

Trav...I know you play football, and you seem to breathe the game, but you don't know everything....Wes is a possession receiver. A drive sustainer. Having him would have changed the WHOLE game....You tell Parcells back in '86 and '91, when they were clock eaters that not having a possession receiver, or one of their RBs - that it wouldn't have made that much of a difference....That Giant team was constantly scoring on 8:00-10:00 minute drives....Wes would've allowed NE to win that game...no matter what Balty did on offense....

I just enjoy the sport immensely, both as a player and a fan. If anyone knows everything, it's you . I just give my opinion, and my opinion and point is that even with Welker in that game, the outcome probably wouldn't of been different since that New England defense was getting gashed like a Freddy Krueger horror flick play after play after play. N.E got crushed, plain and simple and Baltimore played the blue print on how to beat N.E. Clock control on the ground, score points and force pressure on Brady (3 interceptions.) The Ravens held a 24-0 lead after the first QRT, Welker wouldn't of made that big of a difference. Besides, it's all hypothetical anyway.

[RPM]

Well, Tom Brady is a huge intangible to a crazy NFL season, he is as remarkable on the sideline as he is on the field, A true pro who i wish my Q.B. would be watching tape of to see how its done, I wouldnt bet against him, unless of course i had my 85 version of our defense.....

[RedWingFan]

That said, the Chiefs don't scare me, even a little.

Judging by the last game they played against the Raiders. Their offensive line couldn't block my 3 year old son. It was comical. I almost felt sorry for Cassell. (okay that parts not true)

[YoungJRNY]

That running into the kicker needs to be burned to all hell!!!!! God dammit that's fucking sick. I fucking hate the Jets. I hope N.E beats them by 80

[S2M]

Travis....you do realize the final score was 33-14, right....Ravens scored 3 points per quarter for the rest of the game. They got lucky in that 1stQ, and their offense sucked the rest of the way....NE's D stepped up the last 3Qs, and scored 14 points themselves....