They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

AR, are you under 10 years old or what? I've literally had smarter conversations with 10 year olds. Sorry you're not very good at contributing to a conversation. I'm inferring that you're very pro-war by your response. How many years did you serve and in what branch? Why do you feel your comrades in arms deserve to die over a barren rock on the other side of the world?

Why do you automatically assume that all military strikes require boots on the ground? Did YOU serve? You seem to have a very infantile G.I. Joe understanding of military force.

[The_Noble_Cause]

BTW, I predicted a month or so ago that something like this would happen...to distract us from Mueller and the various investigations. Pretty good timing.

Actually, here's your prediction from back in March. You said Trump would "approve of staging a 9/11." And, alot like your Hillary landslide prediction, you couldn't be further from the truth.

"The most terrifying thing is that Trump is the type of psycho who would approve of staging a 9/11 to gain the support of the people. He will become desperate soon...and that desperation will cause something like this to look like a valid option. He links to distract to avoid problems. There is no better distraction than an attack on Trump Tower, or something like that, and blaming "radical Islamic terror". If things have not change by the end of summer, I am expecting something like this to happen."

[The_Noble_Cause]

This displays a high level of perversion in your thinking. You should be ashamed of yourself. And since you've yet to answer any of my questions and only keep gnashing your teeth like a baby, I'll assume that you never had the balls to put the uniform on and you're just a lame internet keyboard warrior who loves war and the big picture be damned so long as other people are doing it. Carry on. Sorry I got your panties in such a tizzie.

Civilian control of military is enshrined in the constitution. Do you have a problem with it? Is this a pic of your military hero?

[Archetype]

AR, are you under 10 years old or what? I've literally had smarter conversations with 10 year olds. Sorry you're not very good at contributing to a conversation. I'm inferring that you're very pro-war by your response. How many years did you serve and in what branch? Why do you feel your comrades in arms deserve to die over a barren rock on the other side of the world?

Why do you automatically assume that all military strikes require boots on the ground? Did YOU serve? You seem to have a very infantile G.I. Joe understanding of military force.

Obviously you don't even read this thread all that well because your question about my service has already been answered. Do you and I have anything in common, or not, in that regard? Or are you just another lame chicken hawk who loves pointless wars so long as it's other people doing it for you to watch? You're also assuming that air strikes wouldn't result in the annihilation of 28,000+ Americans stationed along the DMZ and the southern half of the peninsula, who have artillery from the North trained on them at all times.

As for your hotel/bar of soap fallacy, that's also dead wrong. You see, getting back to my assessment of you as a chicken hawk, if you've been in the military, you would know that even the US government maintains offices in hotels (MEPS lodging and so forth). The same is the case in Pyongyang. Dumb fuck Warmbier broke into a floor of government offices that was locked and closed for business for the day and stole things from that floor. He confessed to it and was also caught on camera doing so. You don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.

How many Americans are imprisoned for possessing a plant? To me, that sounds about as petty and arbitrary as your hypothetical stealing a bar of soap from a hotel scenario. Where's your indignation about that? Oh, right, the media didn't tell you to be upset about that, so here we are.

[Archetype]

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Looks like you're just another chicken-hawk. So pathetic.

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You are a worthless dumbfuck unworthy of anyones time. Except Monker of course.[/quote]


Yet here you are continuing to try to prove something to me, despite it being "unworthy of your time." Squawk squawk chicken hawk.

[Archetype]

"How many Americans are imprisoned for possessing a plant? To me, that sounds about as petty and arbitrary as your hypothetical stealing a bar of soap from a hotel scenario. Where's your indignation about that? Oh, right, the media didn't tell you to be upset about that, so here we are."

You're also a liar, and unable to admit to your lies. Both myself and TNC proved your statement wrong, and now you try Alynski 101, spin out of your lie if you get caught. Who broke into a North Korean Government office and stole documents? I can't wait to hear this one. Such a liar. So uninformed. TNC's bar of soap scenario was spot on. Frankly, worse then stealing a pamplet or poster. Of course, this isn't about that, it's about them wanting to nuke us. But you continue to jerk off to little Kim's poster hanging in your basement room.

Warmbier broke into a government floor in the hotel building and committed theft. Breaking and entering and theft. Stop defending a criminal, or be logically consistent and defend all of the criminals imprisoned in your own country, too. You're sure ready to gnash your squawky chicken hawk teeth over being taken to task for someone who seems it "unworthy" of your time. So so lame.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Obviously you don't even read this thread all that well because your question about my service has already been answered.

Only thing I saw was that you "wore the uniform." Which could mean anything. Maybe you are in a Village People cover band. Look, we have had alot of REAL veterans on these forums over the years - with many diverse opinions. You demean the military by using your ALLEGED service as a cheap way to shut down criticism of US foreign policy. The Vietnam war was partially stopped by civilian involvement. Would you tell those civilians not to speak out? We are a civilian country not a military dictatorship.

Do you and I have anything in common, or not, in that regard?

I don't believe you served. Given your poor grammar, I strongly doubt you are even from America. So why don't you cut out the bullshit.

Or are you just another lame chicken hawk who loves pointless wars so long as it's other people doing it for you to watch?

Never called for war.

You're also assuming that air strikes wouldn't result in the annihilation of 28,000+ Americans stationed along the DMZ and the southern half of the peninsula, who have artillery from the North trained on them at all times.

No, you are assuming that all the military does is put boots on the ground or conduct traditional air strikes. Like I said, you are a total bullshitter.

As for your hotel/bar of soap fallacy, that's also dead wrong. You see, getting back to my assessment of you as a chicken hawk, if you've been in the military, you would know that even the US government maintains offices in hotels (MEPS lodging and so forth).

"If you've been in the military, you would know"...I have so many military friends. Nobody talks like this. Stolen valor!

The same is the case in Pyongyang. Dumb fuck Warmbier broke into a floor of government offices that was locked and closed for business for the day and stole things from that floor. He confessed to it and was also caught on camera doing so. You don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.

The camera footage was released and is available all over the internet. He stole a poster. Pretty top secret stuff, right?

How many Americans are imprisoned for possessing a plant? To me, that sounds about as petty and arbitrary as your hypothetical stealing a bar of soap from a hotel scenario. Where's your indignation about that?

Otto was not just imprisoned. He came back tortured and braindead.

Oh, right, the media didn't tell you to be upset about that, so here we are.

Oh please. As if marijuana laws like three strikes have not received overwhelming media attention? You are obviously not from around here.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Stop defending a criminal, or be logically consistent and defend all of the criminals imprisoned in your own country, too.

Notice how Archetype says "your own country."
Not "our country" or "America."
So where ya from Archetype?

The only uniform you are wearing is standard-issue DPRK fatigues.
Is MR.com one of the few websites approved by Pyongyang?

Fire and fury is coming soon, you fascist turd.

[Archetype]

TNC let me get all of this straight:

-You're a cheerleader for war, but were never willing be in the military yourself. I was. You weren't. You're a chickenhawk.
-I never said Warmbier stole anything important, but he did break and enter into a government office and steal something.
-You're using the classic "you just be from...." line because you can't answer any questions.
-All you're doing is trying to attack me personally because you are personally clueless about the situation on the Korean Peninsula and can't hold a conversation about it, so you're throwing up a smokescreen of childish insults and paranoid delusions that I'm in Pyongyang.
-You're an established chicken hawk.

[Archetype]

Service men don't fly their service like a flag.

You're right, normally we don't, which is why I've never really brought it up before until I spotted chickenhawk losers like you who are blindly guzzling pro-war propaganda which will get a lot of service men and women killed for no good reason if your lunacy prevails in the foreign policy realm. Trump is pulling a classic "wag the dog" move about North Korea because he can't accomplish a fucking thing in the domestic policy realm despite having a Republican majority in both the house and senate.

Journalist: "Mr. President, can you please comment on...."
Trump: "Hey look over there it's North Korea!" and scurries away.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC let me get all of this straight:

You're a cheerleader for war, but were never willing be in the military yourself.

Nope. I'm anti-war. But if it comes down to the US vs. North Korean nuclear aggression, I proudly stand with my country.

I was. You weren't. You're a chickenhawk.

Prove it. We've discussed the merits of wars, like Iraq, on this website for years. Where were you? It's telling that you only pipe up when it's time to defend state-endorsed torture.

I never said Warmbier stole anything important, but he did break and enter into a government office and steal something.

Except members of Otto's tour group, and his roommate, dispute this. The blurry video released by N. Korea shows a male pulling a poster off a wall. Nothing more. You're repeating DPRK propaganda.

You're using the classic "you just be from...." line because you can't answer any questions.

Nope. Just pointing out the obvious fact that English is not your first language. Your posts read like they were generated by Google translate.
In this thread, you have also referred to the US in second/third person.
Examples - "your country" and "USA and their 5,000+ nukes."
You are also under the rather strange belief that marijuana arrests have not been covered in the media.
Taking all these things into account, it's pretty obvious you are not from around these parts.

All you're doing is trying to attack me personally because you are personally clueless about the situation on the Korean Peninsula and can't hold a conversation about it, so you're throwing up a smokescreen of childish insults and paranoid delusions that I'm in Pyongyang.

Awww, poor baby. You sure you served in the military? You seem awfully sensitive. How can you bitch about childish insults when every other word you type is the ad-hominem "chicken hawk"?

You're an established chicken hawk.

Yeh, yeh, yeh I know. Anybody against nuclear winter is a chicken hawk. First off, as already established, you never served. You are engaging in stolen valor, which is actually prosecutable in some states. What's your MOS, bitch? Post your military ID. Your chicken-hawk argument is the equivalent of saying, "If you love North Korea so much, why don't you move there?" But since you already live there, that would be both redundant AND childish.

[Archetype]

Please report me for "stolen valor." Come on, try to get me prosecuted. I'd really enjoy that. I'm here waiting with my honorable discharge DD214 to laugh in your chickenhawk face.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Please report me for "stolen valor." Come on, try to get me prosecuted. I'd really enjoy that. I'm here waiting with my honorable discharge DD214 to laugh in your chickenhawk face.

Did I hit a nerve, you phony dictator-loving bastard?

[Archetype]

Please report me for "stolen valor." Come on, try to get me prosecuted. I'd really enjoy that. I'm here waiting with my honorable discharge DD214 to laugh in your chickenhawk face.

Did I hit a nerve, you phony dictator-loving bastard?

I served. I was honorably discharged. I have a DD214. These three things do not apply to you. You're just like Ted Nugent: super pro war these days, but never actually put your own ass in the line in any way. Come on, call the police or whoever you want and try to say I'm committing "stolen valor." I'm waiting.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I served. I was honorably discharged. I have a DD214. These three things do not apply to you.

More bragging. Not the way any of my friends in the military behave. You are a fraud.

You're just like Ted Nugent: super pro war these days, but never actually put your own ass in the line in any way.

Nope. Try again. Been anti-war my entire life.

Come one, call the police or whoever you want and try to stay I'm committing "stolen valor." I'm waiting.

You'll just have to wait and see. Sit tight!

[Boomchild]

[Monker]

Monker wrote:
Disagreeing with the government and speaking your mind IS patriotic.

Sure it is. Except when you disagree with it. Then you start lashing out and calling everybody "unAmerican" or "unpatriotic." You are a hypocrite.

No, I'm not. You take things completely out of context and quote only what can make your point. In your examples, the first one I am pretty sure was me being sarcastic...so I didn't even look up any of them because I know that is how it is with EVERY point like this you try to make against me. You quote things out of context and are essentially lying about the meaning behind what I said.

Monker wrote:
Did you even read what I said I would do if I were Trump?

I don't really care what you say. You have been caught in some many lies at this point.

Of course not, because you know you were mistaken and just assumed I was agreeing with Archetype, when I mostly don't.

[Monker]

Actually, here's your prediction from back in March. You said Trump would "approve of staging a 9/11." And, alot like your Hillary landslide prediction, you couldn't be further from the truth.

"The most terrifying thing is that Trump is the type of psycho who would approve of staging a 9/11 to gain the support of the people. He will become desperate soon...and that desperation will cause something like this to look like a valid option. He links to distract to avoid problems. There is no better distraction than an attack on Trump Tower, or something like that, and blaming "radical Islamic terror". If things have not change by the end of summer, I am expecting something like this to happen."

Yes, that is what I said. But, even here you take things somewhat out of context in your small quote. Then I said he likes to distract and avoid problems and mention Trump Towar "or something like that" and blaming Islamic terrorism.

Instead we have North Korea being the scapegoat and launching an attack on Guam. Trump is escelating this situation to a point where even a threat by Kim is an act of war. He is, right now, playing the distraction game to avoid Mueller and the investigations being the top headline in the news.

The same scenario is being set up right in front of you...Trump could very easily make any excuse to start a war with North Korea, and you and KC and the rest of his zombies would be all for it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yes, that is what I said. But, even here you take things somewhat out of context in your small quote. Then I said he likes to distract and avoid problems and mention Trump Towar "or something like that" and blaming Islamic terrorism.

"small quote"...yeh ok. Kiss my ass. It's a whole fucking paragraph, douchebag.

The same scenario is being set up right in front of you...Trump could very easily make any excuse to start a war with North Korea, and you and KC and the rest of his zombies would be all for it.

Sounds like you are describing your own behavior accepting the fact free claims of Russia hacking the election. You don't get to play the cynic now. If anybody on this forum blindly swallows government lies, it's because you taught them how to do it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, I'm not. You take things completely out of context and quote only what can make your point. In your examples, the first one I am pretty sure was me being sarcastic...so I didn't even look up any of them because I know that is how it is with EVERY point like this you try to make against me. You quote things out of context and are essentially lying about the meaning behind what I said.

Let's keep this real simple...
If you want to stand up for free speech and speak out against the suppression of unpopular ideas, you shouldn't have a track record of shouting down people on here as "anti-American" or "unpatriotic." Unfortunately you do have a track record of that. What I posted wasn't even half of it. Just like Hillary's "approved" private server or the "inactive" wiki link, everything you say is a demonstrable lie. And short of me dropping dead, I am not going anywhere. So eat my shit, you inbred Iowan fuck.

[Archetype]

You'll just have to wait and see. Sit tight!

Still waiting, and I thought you said I was in the DPRK? If I were in the DPRK, why would I care about what could be prosecuted in certain states?

[Monker]

Monker wrote:

Yes, that is what I said. But, even here you take things somewhat out of context in your small quote. Then I said he likes to distract and avoid problems and mention Trump Towar "or something like that" and blaming Islamic terrorism.



"small quote"...yeh ok. Kiss my ass. It's a whole fucking paragraph, douchebag.

Dude, you quoted me twice...once in your initial paragraph in your post, and again in the quoted paragraph. I said "small quote" to try to point to the first bit.

Monker wrote:
The same scenario is being set up right in front of you...Trump could very easily make any excuse to start a war with North Korea, and you and KC and the rest of his zombies would be all for it.

Sounds like you are describing your own behavior accepting the fact free claims of Russia hacking the election. You don't get to play the cynic now. If anybody on this forum blindly swallows government lies, it's because you taught them how to do it.

Unfortunately for you, you telling me what I get to do and do not get to do is absolutely meaningless.

Trump has a history of doing exactly what I described...using distraction to keep unwanted topics from being the top headline on the news. He is doing that with North Korea right now. He has no intention of a nuclear strike of North Korea. It's distraction. But, if his situation with Mueller gets bad enough...I have no doubt that he'll use the option, or at least start the war, "a war" somewhere. That is his MO.

If you want to stand up for free speech and speak out against the suppression of unpopular ideas, you shouldn't have a track record of shouting down people on here as "anti-American" or "unpatriotic." Unfortunately you do have a track record of that. What I posted wasn't even half of it.

Well, unfortunately for you, I can post about whatever I want to and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

I know I've used those terms, anti-American and "unpatriotic" a lot this past year. That is because Trump has indirectly encouraged anti-American and unpatriotic behavior from his zombies. Telling his supporters to punch protestors in the face and he'll pay the legal fees. It is unpatriotic to say McCain is not a war hero when Trump got out of the draft FIVE TIMES. And, it goes on and on.

And, I used those terms especially often now because it USED to be that Republicans tried to hold the moral and patriotic high ground. They gave that all up when they voted for Trump.

Just like Hillary's "approved" private server or the "inactive" wiki link, everything you say is a demonstrable lie.

Oh, please. You can NOT demonstrate these as lies, because they are not.

I said I read an Email chain where Clinton's various hardware was being requested and set up. The question came up about a private server and it was OK'd. You, or somebody called me on it and I couldn't find the Emails again...so I dropped the claim. First, that's not a lie. And, you can't demonstrate it as a lie because you can not prove I didn't see the Emails.

I went to the Twitter post, clicked on the link and it didn't work. I posted that it was broke. That is what happened....it's not a lie. You can not demonstrate it as a lie because you can not prove what the link was as posted when I clicked on it. You also can not prove that it was active (ie: their server was up, their data was available, etc)

This is why I stopped arguing about your "list of Monker lies." They are just crap you are inventing as you go. It's not worth my time to argue against something that is really a demented "fact" that only exists in your head...and you will make up excuse and after excuse for why they are lies, instead of accepting reality.

[Archetype]

Yet you morped into some kind of discharge, and not an honorable one.

For being "unworthy" of your time, you sure do keep coming back to me. You must really enjoy being wrong.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Still waiting, and I thought you said I was in the DPRK?

Old North Korean proverb...

당신은 어떻게 어리 석음에 바보를 유지합니까? 내일 너에게 말할거야.

If I were in the DPRK, why would I care about what could be prosecuted in certain states?

Still sweating over being exposed as a fake? Can't blame ya. Tick tick tick tick....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, please. You can NOT demonstrate these as lies, because they are not.

I said I read an Email chain where Clinton's various hardware was being requested and set up. The question came up about a private server and it was OK'd. You, or somebody called me on it and I couldn't find the Emails again...so I dropped the claim.

If you couldn't prove the "OK'd server" claim with facts, why did you post it here to begin with? What is another word for a fictitious claim? Oh right. A LIE. So you just admitted that you post lies that you can't authenticate. Thanks.

First, that's not a lie. And, you can't demonstrate it as a lie because you can not prove I didn't see the Emails.

I don't care where you get your lies from. They are still lies.

I went to the Twitter post, clicked on the link and it didn't work. I posted that it was broke. That is what happened....it's not a lie. You can not demonstrate it as a lie because you can not prove what the link was as posted when I clicked on it.

You posted about Wiki "their link is broken, and the URL is incomplete" at 2:11 am (time stamp is on the post). At 2:31am (again, time stamp on post), I re-posted the link proving it was fine. So in the course of less than 20 mins (as proven by the time stamps on the posts), a URL went from working to not working, from complete to incomplete? Simply not credible. There is only one conclusion here - you are full of shit.

Additionally, Boomchild also posted the link that day. Your lie requires both me and Boomchild to have posted a link several times that didn't work. Statistically unlikely for us both to have done that without noticing. The odds are just microscopically slim that the link worked for everyone but you. In other words, you lied.

[Boomchild]

Let's keep this real simple...
If you want to stand up for free speech and speak out against the suppression of unpopular ideas, you shouldn't have a track record of shouting down people on here as "anti-American" or "unpatriotic." Unfortunately you do have a track record of that. What I posted wasn't even half of it. Just like Hillary's "approved" private server or the "inactive" wiki link, everything you say is a demonstrable lie. And short of me dropping dead, I am not going anywhere. So eat my shit, you inbred Iowan fuck.

Surely TNC, your taking that "out of context".

[Archetype]

Still waiting, and I thought you said I was in the DPRK?

Old North Korean proverb...

당신은 어떻게 어리 석음에 바보를 유지합니까? 내일 너에게 말할거야.

If I were in the DPRK, why would I care about what could be prosecuted in certain states?

Still sweating over being exposed as a fake? Can't blame ya. Tick tick tick tick....

Can't wait til you look like a dumbass

[Monker]

Still waiting, and I thought you said I was in the DPRK?

Old North Korean proverb...

당신은 어떻게 어리 석음에 바보를 유지합니까? 내일 너에게 말할거야.

If I were in the DPRK, why would I care about what could be prosecuted in certain states?

Still sweating over being exposed as a fake? Can't blame ya. Tick tick tick tick....

Can't wait til you look like a dumbass

He's already said he was going to turn me into the NSA, several times. It's just his way of getting you talk the way he wants you to talk. The same as Trump trying to get Kim to speak the he wants him to by threatening "fire and fury".

It's all just bullshit.

[Monker]

Oh, please. You can NOT demonstrate these as lies, because they are not.

I said I read an Email chain where Clinton's various hardware was being requested and set up. The question came up about a private server and it was OK'd. You, or somebody called me on it and I couldn't find the Emails again...so I dropped the claim.

If you couldn't prove the "OK'd server" claim with facts, why did you post it here to begin with? What is another word for a fictitious claim? Oh right. A LIE. So you just admitted that you post lies that you can't authenticate. Thanks.

First, that's not a lie. And, you can't demonstrate it as a lie because you can not prove I didn't see the Emails.

I don't care where you get your lies from. They are still lies.

Of course you do. But, that's not the point of the moment.

The bottom line is I'm not lying and you can't prove that I am.

I went to the Twitter post, clicked on the link and it didn't work. I posted that it was broke. That is what happened....it's not a lie. You can not demonstrate it as a lie because you can not prove what the link was as posted when I clicked on it.

You posted about Wiki "their link is broken, and the URL is incomplete" at 2:11 am (time stamp is on the post). At 2:31am (again, time stamp on post), I re-posted the link proving it was fine. So in the course of less than 20 mins (as proven by the time stamps on the posts), a URL went from working to not working, from complete to incomplete? Simply not credible. There is only one conclusion here - you are full of shit.

Additionally, Boomchild also posted the link that day. Your lie requires both me and Boomchild to have posted a link several times that didn't work. Statistically unlikely for us both to have done that without noticing. The odds are just microscopically slim that the link worked for everyone but you. In other words, you lied.

[/quote]

What you are forgetting is you posted a link to the actual Twitter post. THAT is where I went to click on the link THEY posted. It didn't work. When I looked at it, it looked fragmented. That is the way it was and why I posted what I posted.

Again, I'm not lying. You can't demonstrate that I am because you do NOT know exactly what link was posted at that time on Twitter, nor do you know if the link was active on Wikileaks side...ie: servers up and functioning. There are other reasons for a link not working then it being typed wrong. Your coder friends you supposedly have should have told you all about that by now.

As for your timestamps...you do not know what time I actually went to Twitter and clicked on the link. You do not know how much time passed between then and when I posted. And, 20mins is enough time to reboot a server, or edit a Twitter post, or fix some code and redeploy it to Wikileaks. So, you really proved absolutely nothing except that you are ignorant on how IT works.

All you are doing is being an asshole with this stuff...and you know it. I'm not lying about any of this.

[Monker]

Let's keep this real simple...
If you want to stand up for free speech and speak out against the suppression of unpopular ideas, you shouldn't have a track record of shouting down people on here as "anti-American" or "unpatriotic." Unfortunately you do have a track record of that. What I posted wasn't even half of it. Just like Hillary's "approved" private server or the "inactive" wiki link, everything you say is a demonstrable lie. And short of me dropping dead, I am not going anywhere. So eat my shit, you inbred Iowan fuck.

Surely TNC, your taking that "out of context".

How unpatriotic of you.