They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Monker]

A Arms deal is being set up with Japan now. Catch up.

My point is: So what?

Japan has a TINY millitary. It is a DEFENSIVE military with no real offensive threat. So, they get a few more planes and more "sophisticated" systems. They are still a TINY DEFENSIVE military.

China isn't happy about it anymore then Japan is happy about missles being shot over their country with pieces of it falling everywhere.

So what? Let them whine. Japan isn't even a threat. North Korea is a threat. If China doesn't want Japan to have more defensive capability, then they should blame North Korea for being more of an offensive threat.

Russia doesn't like it either.

So?

Are you actually saying that Chine, Russia, and North Korea now believe Japan is an offensive threat in the region? Are you seriously that naive?

Now, if we sold Japan nuclear weapons...they would be right to be 'nervous'....but that will never happen.

Maybe that's why Trump has been able to get them to play along against their little friend in the UN.

Trump doesn't get anybody to do anything. He's a worthless negotiator and deal maker...a huge MYTH that he built up around himself so he could lie about himself.

[Boomchild]

And cue the protests.....

BREAKING: SCOTUS Issues Travel Ban Ruling

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy on Monday provided a temporary reprieve for President Trump’s order blocking most refugees from entering the United States, putting on hold a lower court’s ruling loosening the prohibition.

The broader question of whether the travel ban discriminates against Muslims in violation of the U.S. Constitution, as lower courts previously ruled, will be argued before the Supreme Court on Oct. 10.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1BM24Q

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, that is what it sounds like when TNC knows he's wrong but can't admit it.

Not at all. Anyone who presents a quote from the Founders as the final word on a subject has already forfeited the argument. The Founders were not ideologically lockstep on nearly anything.

So, his family married into Judiism. What his kids do does not equate to his own biases.

Ah, so then did chief economic adviser, Gary Cohn, marry his way into the administration? What about Mnuchin, the Treasury Secretary? Apparently, Trump is soo virulently anti-Semitic that he can't help but appoint numerous Jews to his cabinet.

Yes, in that instance, I did. The parts where I was more specific, you ignored.

LOL. Nice dodge. How could you possibly be specific when you swear everything related to Russiagate is classified? Make up your mind please.

The controversy stemmed from reports of Russia hacking the elections.

And, this is how it sounds when you are proven wrong and decide to change your mind. Not too long ago the Russia investigation stemmed from the 12 intel agencies in agreement. Funny how you change to this after I proved you wrong.

Here's my actual quote before you dishonestly edited it “…stemmed from reports of Russia hacking the election. The basis of that has largely been the declassified DNI report and the examined DNC servers.”

The DNI report WAS the declassified report from the intel community. I didn’t change my mind on anything. And it’s 17 agencies. Not 12.

No, he did not. He carefully worded his comments to neither "shoot anything down" nor confirm anything.

You have quotes around Comey saying "shoot anything down." No record of Comey ever saying this at the committee. Do you have a link? Or are you making up quotes?

He simply rephrased the classic line, "those who know, don't talk. Those who don't know, gossip."

He said that AFTER specifically saying that the NYTimes story about intercepted calls was "in the main, not true".
This directly contradicts what you said about the investigation beginning “due to the NSA telling the FBI that it had intercepted Trump people talking to Russians.”

Regardless, what I was arguing here is that what I said about the FBI investigation starting in the middle of 2016 is true...and that is BEFORE the 12 intel agencies all agreeing talk came about. Talk which YOU WRONGLY SAID the instigation came from.

Much of the information in the DNI report came from 2016. If you read it, you would know that. Hillary also mentioned the "17 intel" lie in the debates.

All goes to prove my point that they are not the same thing.

How is the DNI report on Russian hacking any different than the Intelligence Community’s 2002 NIE on Iraqi WMD? How is it different than any gov't white paper trying to make a case for regime change?

No, it doesn't. None of that equates to war mongering.

NATO troops in their backyard…anti-missile defense system right on their borders…sanctions based on BS…endless anti-Russian propaganda…yup, nothing to see here. Citizens like you are going around accusing people of communist sympathies, like resurrected Joe McCarthys. You are a product of the hysterical environment being fostered. Like it or not, the cold war is definitely back on.

No, a speciala prosecuter unleashed due to Trump's firing of Comey and a desire to keep the investigation out of Trump's control and influence. This is a grave Trump himself has been digging.

Finally some specifics! Yes Trump fired Comey. But unhinged cucks like you were calling for Trump to be removed before he was sworn in. So who cares? Maybe you're just jealous that Trump's hand has made more contact with pussies than your diseased microphallus ever will.

[Boomchild]

You know what Boomchild? I put you on a level mentally with Monker and I can see where you would feel insulted, as any normal person would. For that, I apologize. That was an insult no reasonally thinking person should ever bare. On the other hand, if you agree with Monker about something, you really should think it through again.

It's not that I felt or would feel "insulted". It's the fact that your assertion was over exaggerated. Part of being a civil society is being able to agree to disagree on things and find common ground on the things you can agree upon. Using a "us and them" approach does nothing for a civil society. This is one of the main reasons our government is so screwed up. Our legislators can no longer do their jobs because of this type of thinking. By keeping on this course of pitting citizen against citizen we are playing right into the hands of the globalists. We will end up destroying our own country. Which is what they want to achieve amd make way for a one world government structure.

[Monker]

Which has gotten us where we are today and more Obama's to come. Like alynski said," take a little and take alot when you can, BUT TAKE. Always take what you can to move the agenda forward". Getting along with the other side is playing into the hands of Globalists, and there's 40 years of proof in this country.

I would like all you anti-globalists to define in 50 words or less what a globalist is. If you go over 50 words (and that is a LOT) you are disqualified for rambling and preaching. And, words only...no memes, or links to websites.

What is a globalist?

[slucero]

Which has gotten us where we are today and more Obama's to come. Like alynski said," take a little and take alot when you can, BUT TAKE. Always take what you can to move the agenda forward". Getting along with the other side is playing into the hands of Globalists, and there's 40 years of proof in this country.

I would like all you anti-globalists to define in 50 words or less what a globalist is. If you go over 50 words (and that is a LOT) you are disqualified for rambling and preaching. And, words only...no memes, or links to websites.

What is a globalist?

George Soros

(48 words left)

[Boomchild]

This should be a MAJOR BOOM, but as we all know, liberals can break the law any way they damn please and get away with it.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09 ... s.amp.html

10 bucks says that just like the DOJ decided NOT to pursue the IRS targeting conservative groups, they will do the same with anything associated with the Clintons.

[Boomchild]

[Boomchild]

[Monker]

It's very telling that you people go about using the term "globalist" but can not even define the term. Why would somebody use a term they do not even understand or can define the meaning of? Maybe because they are mindless Trump zombies.

[Monker]

No, we have already been through this. Trump is a Ferrengi, not a Klingon. Klingon's value honor, Trump doesn't have any honor and does not honor anything.

Ferengi value one thing: Money...and making deals to get it. THAT is Trump.

"Ferengi are not responsible for the stupidity of other races." -- Ferrengi rule of acquisition #69

Hmmm, I guess the Trump zombies are also Ferrengi. Who knew?

[Boomchild]

It's very telling that you people go about using the term "globalist" but can not even define the term. Why would somebody use a term they do not even understand or can define the meaning of? Maybe because they are mindless Trump zombies.

I don't think it's that people here can't define it. It's more of a matter if theywould define it, you wouldn't accept any of them.

[Monker]

Ferrrengi Trump Zombie Rules of Acqusition:


1. Once you have their money, you never give it back.
Example: Trump University
3. Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.
Examples: Presidential campaign, paying Polish workers and using H1B visas for his hotel and modelling businesses
6. Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity.
Example: numerous divorces
7. Keep your ears open and your eyes on the mark.
Example: 2016 presidential campaign
9. Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
Example: real estate opportunity instinct
10. Greed is eternal.
Example: Trump’s ostentatious transportation and residences
16. A deal is a deal.
Example: numerous business examples where investors lose money while Trump enriches himself
17. A contract is a contract is a contract… but only between Trumps.
Example: various examples of Donald Trump refusing to pay subcontractors their earned contractual payments and Donald Trump’s numerous lawsuits enforcing the contracts that benefit him or to silence dissention
18. A Trump without profit is no Trump at all.
Example: obvious when you examine his children’s public profiles
21. Never place friendship above profit.
Example: see the bankers and investors who have lost money from Trump deals
22. A wise man can hear profit in the wind.
Example: numerous examples of the various types of businesses Donald Trump has embarked upon — clothing, schools, steaks and wine, among others
23. Nothing is more important than your health… except for your money.
Example: Donald Trump is fastidious about his health as evidenced by his numerous statements that he does not consume alcohol or smoke and yet his primary focus remains his business empire
31. Never make fun of a Donald Trump’s mother.
Example: although no examples are needed, it is important to note that he is very loving of his mother but has no problem discarding his wives as needed
33. It never hurts to suck up to the boss.
Example: his father, worked for him to get his financial support to get start his business empire
34. War is good for business.
Example: on again and off again support of the Iraq War
35. Peace is good for business.
Example: see rule number 34
45. Expand or die.
Example: Donald Trump’s continued expansion of his business empire
47. Don’t trust a man wearing a better suit than your own.
Example: evidenced by Trump’s dress in public and on the magazine covers
48. The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.
Example: plenty of evidence
57. Good customers are as rare as gold. Treasure them.
Example: there are very few known examples of former customers and employees that publicly support Donald Trump
59. Free advice is seldom cheap.
Example: Donald Trump has profited from selling “advice,” even dubious ones
62. Profit is its own reward.
Example: evidenced by his focus on profiting by any means possible, i.e. bankruptcy and tax avoidance
74. Knowledge equals profit.
Example: Donald Trump’s books
75. Home is where the heart is, but the stars are made of gold.
Example: Trump’s worldwide business empire
76. Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.
Example: Trump’s recent friendliness towards, Hillary Clinton (not keeping his promise to prosecute her), friendliness towards Barack Obama and meetings with Mitt Romney and other Republicans
94. Females and finances don’t mix.
Example: divorces
95. Expand or die.
Example: Trump’s expanding business enterprises
98. Every man has his price.
Example: Mitt Romney
102. Nature decays, but gold lasts forever.
Example: just look at his focus on possessions
103. Sleep can interfere with…
Example: Tweeting at 3:00am
109. Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.
Example: Donald Trump’s numerous public scandals
111. Treat people in your debt like family… exploit them.
Example: his business relationships
125. You can’t make a deal if you’re dead.
Example: no example needed
139. Wives serve, brothers inherit.
Example: Donald Trump’s numerous examples of his treatment of women
168. Whisper your way to success.
Example: Twitter
190. Hear all, trust nothing.
Example: Trump’s willingness to listen to many but act on his own accord
194. It’s always good to know about new customers before they walk in your door.
Example: see Trump University’s process for acquiring new students
203. New customers are like razor-toothed gree-worms. They can be succulent, but sometimes they bite back.
Example: Donald Trump settled the Trump University lawsuits with a $25 million payment
208. Sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is an answer.
Example: see the presidential debates
211. Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don’t hesitate to step on them.
Example: Polish immigrant construction workers and H1B visa models
214. Never begin a business negotiation on an empty stomach.
Example: Donald Trump’s negotiating style is all about subterfuge
217. You can’t free a fish from water.
Example: Donald Trump uses the legal system for his business advantage whenever he needs it, especially when a deal threatens his financial or public status
229. Gold lasts longer than lust.
Example: numerous divorces
239. Never be afraid to mislabel a product.
Example: Trump University
263. Never allow doubt to tarnish your lust for gold.
Example: Almost all the political pundits declaring Donald Trump could never win the presidency
285. No good deed ever goes unpunished.
Example: numerous former employees and investors that have lost money dealing with Donald Trump
Unknown: A man is only worth the sum of his possessions.
Example: Donald Trump ostentatious lifestyle

[Monker]

It's very telling that you people go about using the term "globalist" but can not even define the term. Why would somebody use a term they do not even understand or can define the meaning of? Maybe because they are mindless Trump zombies.

I don't think it's that people here can't define it. It's more of a matter if theywould define it, you wouldn't accept any of them.

Oh, please. I will not argue it and say, "that's not a globalist." I want to know how YOU define it. Right now, I don't think you can. It seems to me that it is something in Trumpland that people say and have NO CLUE what it really means.

[Monker]

Oh, no fake news here:
http://newsthump.com/2016/08/06/donald- ... quisition/

[Boomchild]

Here you go, as if you don't know.

http://theglobalelite.org/globalists/

Buzzzz!!!! Oops K.C. this doesn't count according to Mokner's stipulations. No links!

[Monker]

Here you go, as if you don't know.

http://theglobalelite.org/globalists/

Buzzzz!!!! Oops K.C. this doesn't count according to Mokner's stipulations. No links!

Right. He only takes his news from Corperate owned sources.

Why is it so hard to understand? I am challenging you all (not just you) to post what you believe a globalist is. I said I did not want a link because I want it to be IN YOUR OWN WORDS. It seems to me that you all (not just you) just pick up terms and use them without even understanding what they really mean. You are allowing others to not only define your opinion but also to generalize the critique of anybody who disagrees.

With your inability to reply, you have proven my point beyond anything you could have done by revealing what 'globalist' means to you. Pretty sad, and really a bit scary that you all (not just) that you have surrendered so much of your self to other people.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's very telling that you people go about using the term "globalist" but can not even define the term. Why would somebody use a term they do not even understand or can define the meaning of? Maybe because they are mindless Trump zombies.

Terms like globalist and deep state have been around for a long time, most prominently on the left. Their adoption by Repub pundits, like Sean Hannity, are relatively new. But the terms are not. Recently, idiot Hillary liberals also claimed that the term "neoliberal" is some strange new (presumably Russian conceived) slur. In fact, neoliberalism, like its synonym, globalism, is a very old term. Clinton economist, Joseph Stiglitz, wrote a book about globalism. Too many economists to count have written extensively about it. My favorite is Ha-Joon Chang. If you need a definition, maybe you shouldn't comment on politics? Just a thought. This book by liberal economist, Dean Baker, is even free. Maybe start here?

https://deanbaker.net/books/rigged.htm

As for trying to define it under 50 words, here goes nothing....

Globalism - (noun)

1. The flawed idea that technical/political/economic integration benefits all. Example - one-size-fits-all policies of NAFTA, WTO , TPP, and the EU. In reality, the policies serve as a transfer of wealth from rich countries to poor countries. In 2017 terms, the antithesis of America First (see also Teddy Roosevelt Nationalism).

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why waste my time on you?

Just tell Monker that the definition is classified, KC. That's what Monker says every time we ask him to describe the Russia nothing-burger.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think Perot summed up globalism pretty well when he described NAFTA as a "that giant sucking sound." Coincidentally, that is also the sound of the Clinton-Dem Party going straight down the shitter.

[Boomchild]

Terms like globalist and deep state have been around for a long time, most prominently on the left. Their adoption by Repub pundits, like Sean Hannity, are relatively new. But the terms are not. Recently, idiot Hillary liberals also claimed that the term "neoliberal" is some strange new (presumably Russian conceived) slur. In fact, neoliberalism, like its synonym, globalism, is a very old term. Clinton economist, Joseph Stiglitz, wrote a book about globalism. Too many economists to count have written extensively about it. My favorite is Ha-Joon Chang. If you need a definition, maybe you shouldn't comment on politics? Just a thought. This book by liberal economist, Dean Baker, is even free. Maybe start here?

https://deanbaker.net/books/rigged.htm

As for trying to define it under 50 words, here goes nothing....

Globalism - (noun)

1. The flawed idea that technical/political/economic integration benefits all. Example - one-size-fits-all policies of NAFTA, WTO , TPP, and the EU. In reality, the policies serve as a transfer of wealth from rich countries to poor countries. In 2017 terms, the antithesis of America First (see also Teddy Roosevelt Nationalism).

I would also say that they believe in a "border-less society". They don't believe in a country or nation's own sovereignty. They are the financial elite such as the Rothschilds, George Soros as well as those that comprise groups such as the Bilderberg Group. They want to be the ones that control a global economy. A system where everyone takes orders from them.

Speaking of the Bilderberg Group, they are supposed to be an organization that is to "help" create a strong world economy. It is interesting that their yearly meetings are closed to the press and the public. So you never know exactly what goes on in them.

[Monker]

Yet Monker still supports those who want super rich Corperations.

Interesting....

Trump himself is a super rich, multi-national, corporation.

[Monker]

Then there is the entire "dreamers" debate. Kids who were brought here with their illegal immigrant parents. Trump has waffled back and forth without any clear answer and now wants to work with DEMOCRATS to keep them here.

When the Dreamers order was first signed by Obama, I remember posting on this forum about a guy I worked with who was born in Russia but came here when he was just a baby. I asked him if he was going to sign on with the Dreamer's act. He laughed at me and said, "Hell no!" I asked him why because he could eventually become a citizen. He gave two reasons: #1, It may be OK under Obama but what if whoever is next doesn't agree and ends it? He was not going to put himself on some kinda list. #2, it's nearly impossible to become a citizen and takes years anyway.

This guy is an IT professional. Has been in the career for over 10yrs. Not a terrorist or criminal...and he would be deported to a country he has never even visited as an adult. That is VERY short-sighted and poor judgement.

[Monker]

Terms like globalist and deep state have been around for a long time, most prominently on the left. Their adoption by Repub pundits, like Sean Hannity, are relatively new. But the terms are not. Recently, idiot Hillary liberals also claimed that the term "neoliberal" is some strange new (presumably Russian conceived) slur. In fact, neoliberalism, like its synonym, globalism, is a very old term. Clinton economist, Joseph Stiglitz, wrote a book about globalism. Too many economists to count have written extensively about it. My favorite is Ha-Joon Chang. If you need a definition, maybe you shouldn't comment on politics? Just a thought. This book by liberal economist, Dean Baker, is even free. Maybe start here?

https://deanbaker.net/books/rigged.htm

As for trying to define it under 50 words, here goes nothing....

Globalism - (noun)

1. The flawed idea that technical/political/economic integration benefits all. Example - one-size-fits-all policies of NAFTA, WTO , TPP, and the EU. In reality, the policies serve as a transfer of wealth from rich countries to poor countries. In 2017 terms, the antithesis of America First (see also Teddy Roosevelt Nationalism).

I would also say that they believe in a "border-less society". They don't believe in a country or nation's own sovereignty. They are the financial elite such as the Rothschilds, George Soros as well as those that comprise groups such as the Bilderberg Group. They want to be the ones that control a global economy. A system where everyone takes orders from them.

Speaking of the Bilderberg Group, they are supposed to be an organization that is to "help" create a strong world economy. It is interesting that their yearly meetings are closed to the press and the public. So you never know exactly what goes on in them.

Thank you for at least posting your own thoughts. That is all I was asking for.

[Boomchild]

Which has gotten us where we are today and more Obama's to come. Like alynski said," take a little and take alot when you can, BUT TAKE. Always take what you can to move the agenda forward". Getting along with the other side is playing into the hands of Globalists, and there's 40 years of proof in this country.

What has gotten us here is the Us and Them mentality. What I am talking about is what our founding fathers did. It was obvious that they did not agree on a great many things BUT, they could work out things that they did agree on. Hence the creation of this country, it's Republic and The Constitution. That is the kind of thing that no longer happens. It's because people on both sides have been programed to reject anything from the "opposite side".

[Boomchild]

[Boomchild]

If this is true, looks like someone is waffling.....

Trump Administration Won’t Withdraw from Paris Climate Deal, EU Official Says

NEW YORK—Trump administration officials said Saturday the U.S. wouldn’t pull out of the Paris Agreement, offering to re-engage in the international deal to fight climate change, according to the European Union’s top energy official.

The shift from President Donald Trump’s decision in June to withdraw to renegotiate the landmark accord or craft a new deal came during a meeting of more than 30 ministers led by Canada, China and the European Union in Montreal.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-admi ... y&mod=e2tw

[Boomchild]

When are we ever going to see charges?

http://nypost.com/2017/09/17/heres-more ... o-destroy/

The question is not "when" but rather "if" you are going to see them. Judging how the DOJ is not going to pursue those in the IRS scandal I mot holding my breath on Hillary. If pay to play was going on in the State Department, I doubt people would swallow that Obama knew nothing about it. Further investigation could lead right to him and you know they are not going to prosecute the first African American President.

Remember it was Trump himself that said he was going to recommend a special prosecutor to look to Hillary's actions while SOS. Then after he won the election he did a 180 on that promise.

[Monker]

Remember it was Trump himself that said he was going to recommend a special prosecutor to look to Hillary's actions while SOS. Then after he won the election he did a 180 on that promise.

When are you all going to admit that you were repeatedly lied to.

Clinton special prosecutor - not happening.

Mexico paying for wall - not happening

A wall on the Mexican border - is now reduced to mending the current fence, which Obama had already started doing.

Repeal NAFTA - Last we heard it was going to be modernized, not repealed...but lately we have not heard anything about even doing that.

repeal DACA - repealed and congress given six months to replace it. Now Trump is working with DEMOCRATS to pass a replacement...and his words sound like he is FOR DACA.

Easily repeal/replace Obamacare - Not as easy as he promised. Instead of owning up to it, he blamed his own party.

KC posted that he may even get back into the Paris climate accord.

Lie, after lie, after lie...that you were told on the campaign trail to get your support, to get cheers in his rallies, and appease radicals.

You all STILL can't see through it.

[Seven Wishes]

Wow. I've missed this place. Sort of.

I'd like some Trump supporters to explain, with some details, why (if true) Trump's alleged Russian electioneering and racketeering isn't (hypothetically) nearly "as bad" as the Clinton emails.