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Postby S2M » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:46 pm

Honestly....and I'm not just being a contrarian....I don't see this Pack team winning more than 9 games....just don't.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:05 pm

Did this weeks picks via youtube since I got a new camcorder that can actually hold tape. It's hard to talk in one these fuckers so I kind of rambled. I'll break it down the next weeks to come but thought I hit on some valid points.



NFL WEEK 3 PICKEMS:

Last week (10-6)
Overall: (19-12)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r4E1byf2vk




Giants over Titans by 4
Bengals over Panthers by 10
Steelers over Bucs by 13
Pats over Bills by 24
UPSET SPECIAL: Browns over Ravens by 3 (Hey, going out on a limb here, why not?)
49'ers over Chiefs by 11
Texans over Cowboys by 6
Vikings over Lions by 13
Saints over Falcons by 6
Redskins over Rams by 17
Eagles over Jaguars by 9
Colts over Broncos by 10
Raiders over Cardinals by 3
Chargers over Seahawks by 17
Dolphins over Jets by 4
Packers over Bears by 10
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Postby Everett » Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:21 pm

S2M wrote:Honestly....and I'm not just being a contrarian....I don't see this Pack team winning more than 9 games....just don't.


Thanks for not drinking the kool-aid. I think they will at least win their division. All this superbowl talk is making me nauseous.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:34 pm

Everett wrote:
S2M wrote:Honestly....and I'm not just being a contrarian....I don't see this Pack team winning more than 9 games....just don't.


Thanks for not drinking the kool-aid. I think they will at least win their division. All this superbowl talk is making me nauseous.


If you think they'll at least win their division then how is the Super Bowl talk nauseating? Green Bay's defense (3rd overall, 3rd in pass defense), led by Clay Matthews & Charles Woodson, could turn out to be one of the bests in the NFL when it's all said and done and their offense could turn out to be the best overall when it's all said and done. The Vikings don't look like the team everyone thought they were going to be (neither does any other threatening NFC team), atleast for now and Aaron Rodgers could certainly put up major touchdowns this season and go way over the 4,000-5,000 yard barrier mark. Green Bay's talent is there to be a contender for years.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:48 am

Quiet in here today. WHERE IS EVERYONE?! How fucking great is the NFL? It's so unpredictable, and I love it. Year after year, week after week some teams pop up to keep you on the edge of your seat. Can't get enough of it!

Kansas City could the team this year that could breakout, taking care of a physical San Fran team coming off of a short week. Going to be a tough place to play in the new Arrowhead (give the fans something to cheer about.)

Buffalo scoring 30 points against New England? Good luck keeping up in the East if N.E wants to have any kind of shot at competing. That defense is really bad. Ryan Fitzpatrick? C'MON MAN!

Atlanta taking it New Orleans. Was this close at picking Atlanta but how do you go against Brees at home? Kudos to Atlanta, big division win.

Dallas needed that win more than any other team in the NFL. They needed to get off the snide and needed to do it convincingly & they did. Could be a season changer early, but you can't discount the first 2 games.

Baltimore is looking like complete GUANO and my upset in Cleveland ALMOST got it done.

The Steelers might be the best team in the NFL. They are the most consistent considering their opponents and the way they play defense. I knew the offense would breakout, but didn't expect a 5 TD day. Kudos to Charlie getting the job done. Bring on Baltimore, in OUR house. Should be the game of the week. Ben can be inheriting a 4-0 team. Scary.
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:03 am

My team is a bunch of losers. That is all! Can't punch the ball in on 1st and goal from the 1. Fatfoot misses field goals from 41, 58 and the last from 32 with 4 seconds left. They have the talent to win but refuse to.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:25 am

RedWingFan wrote:My team is a bunch of losers. That is all! Can't punch the ball in on 1st and goal from the 1. Fatfoot misses field goals from 41, 58 and the last from 32 with 4 seconds left. They have the talent to win but refuse to.


Cost me my fucking lead in pick 'em too.
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Postby lights1961 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:15 am

Steelers are the team to beat this year, no doubt... That Defense is amazing... now with the chemistry working with the QB by committee...do they let Ben just back in during week 5, or does he have to earn the spot?? Tough choices to make as a coach...
Jets winning rocks.... Vikings are a really bad team at the moment... their lucky that the Lions were worse... Chiefs 3-0 not too bad of a start... but SEPT games, dont mean that much at the moment as much as the 24/7 sports media would like you to think they do... COME DEC will the Chiefs still be in it or will they faulter... I am not sold on the Pats yet, the Texans, or Seattle... lots of fast starting teams go bust by late OCT... so keep the wins in check and not go overboard with excitment or defeatism...

MNF tonight Pack at the Bears... homefield tonight for Bears... rival game... throw out the stats...even game as far as I can tell both teams looking very good... I cant go against my PACKERS though... GB by a field goal or less...
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Postby S2M » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:28 am

lights1961 wrote:Steelers are the team to beat this year, no doubt... That Defense is amazing... now with the chemistry working with the QB by committee...do they let Ben just back in during week 5, or does he have to earn the spot?? Tough choices to make as a coach...
Jets winning rocks.... Vikings are a really bad team at the moment... their lucky that the Lions were worse... Chiefs 3-0 not too bad of a start... but SEPT games, dont mean that much at the moment as much as the 24/7 sports media would like you to think they do... COME DEC will the Chiefs still be in it or will they faulter... I am not sold on the Pats yet, the Texans, or Seattle... lots of fast starting teams go bust by late OCT... so keep the wins in check and not go overboard with excitment or defeatism...

MNF tonight Pack at the Bears... homefield tonight for Bears... rival game... throw out the stats...even game as far as I can tell both teams looking very good... I cant go against my PACKERS though... GB by a field goal or less...


Well....The Pats aren't claiming to be good. Belichick knows his defense is young and green. That's what happens when you lose SEVEN pro-bowl caliber players in ONE year....lots of holes to fill. There is no problem with the offense, other than some VERY bad play calling at times. If the play calling gets better this is an 11-12 win team....
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:40 am

lights1961 wrote:Steelers are the team to beat this year, no doubt... That Defense is amazing... now with the chemistry working with the QB by committee...do they let Ben just back in during week 5, or does he have to earn the spot?? Tough choices to make as a coach...
Jets winning rocks.... Vikings are a really bad team at the moment... their lucky that the Lions were worse... Chiefs 3-0 not too bad of a start... but SEPT games, dont mean that much at the moment as much as the 24/7 sports media would like you to think they do... COME DEC will the Chiefs still be in it or will they faulter... I am not sold on the Pats yet, the Texans, or Seattle... lots of fast starting teams go bust by late OCT... so keep the wins in check and not go overboard with excitment or defeatism...

MNF tonight Pack at the Bears... homefield tonight for Bears... rival game... throw out the stats...even game as far as I can tell both teams looking very good... I cant go against my PACKERS though... GB by a field goal or less...


Green Bay 28-14 is my pick. I need the tiebreaker in my pick 'em league for this week.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:37 am

lights1961 wrote:Steelers are the team to beat this year, no doubt... That Defense is amazing... now with the chemistry working with the QB by committee...do they let Ben just back in during week 5, or does he have to earn the spot?? Tough choices to make as a coach...
Jets winning rocks.... Vikings are a really bad team at the moment... their lucky that the Lions were worse... Chiefs 3-0 not too bad of a start... but SEPT games, dont mean that much at the moment as much as the 24/7 sports media would like you to think they do... COME DEC will the Chiefs still be in it or will they faulter... I am not sold on the Pats yet, the Texans, or Seattle... lots of fast starting teams go bust by late OCT... so keep the wins in check and not go overboard with excitment or defeatism...

MNF tonight Pack at the Bears... homefield tonight for Bears... rival game... throw out the stats...even game as far as I can tell both teams looking very good... I cant go against my PACKERS though... GB by a field goal or less...


Last week in Tennessee, both Charlie Batch and Dennis Dixon had combined stats of 21 yards passing, the lowest total since 1950 by any QB performance. Granted, the Steelers were down to their emergency #4 QB on the roster. They lost Ben, Leftwhich, and now Dixon, so having Charlie go into that Tennessee game was calling running plays to just try to survive an unbelievably bad fortune of injuries in all spots, not only the QB position but the OLINE as well.

A lot of fans, including myself yelled out and praised Charlie to start the season and we finally had a week to game plan around stability at quarterback and call some things around Charlie's abilities. Charlie got the job done, but he went up against a team that won 3 games last year and was severely outmatched in every phase of the game. He threw 2 horrendous picks and another one should have been picked in the endzone. He did play very well though and put many balls there, something Dixon never could do or did. Charlie Batch will fill in fine and will give us some breathing room and is nothing but a poised veteran who knows his craft and it's good to have him, but it's Roethlisbeger's team on Oct. 17th, there should be no question and anyone who does question it is ridiculous.

A lot of fast starts from teams that are making this league shaking their head. We don't know what we have from most teams through 3 weeks. Dallas? Minnesota? Houston? Washington? New England? Miami? San Diego? Kansas City? The list goes on and it won't get clear until the better half of the season. It sure is interesting.

I'll echo Matt. I like Green Bay tonight by 10. Until Cutler can beat a team that's clicking on all cylinders and more importantly a division rival, I'll take the Pack. They got the better Quarterback and overall defense. Green Bay's a sexy pick this year.
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Postby S2M » Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:34 am

I'll take Chicago by 3 as times runs out....Pack won't win more than 9 games this year....
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:29 am

S2M wrote:I'll take Chicago by 3 as times runs out....Pack won't win more than 9 games this year....


So you're saying New England is a 11-12 win team with a horrible defense who can give up major points, but say Green Bay is maybe a 9 win team with a stellar defense and a potent offense that can score with the best of them via New England but can't see the Pack winning much. Explain brotha.
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Postby S2M » Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:53 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
S2M wrote:I'll take Chicago by 3 as times runs out....Pack won't win more than 9 games this year....


So you're saying New England is a 11-12 win team with a horrible defense who can give up major points, but say Green Bay is maybe a 9 win team with a stellar defense and a potent offense that can score with the best of them via New England but can't see the Pack winning much. Explain brotha.


Easy....The 2010 Patriots are the 1999 Rams. Horrible defense that needs to outscore their opponent. GB are pretenders....they'll be there in a couple of years. They just don't have that last component to going far...will not win more than 9 games. I'll admit my error if they do...and I'll eat crow.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:06 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:
S2M wrote:I'll take Chicago by 3 as times runs out....Pack won't win more than 9 games this year....


So you're saying New England is a 11-12 win team with a horrible defense who can give up major points, but say Green Bay is maybe a 9 win team with a stellar defense and a potent offense that can score with the best of them via New England but can't see the Pack winning much. Explain brotha.


Easy....The 2010 Patriots are the 1999 Rams. Horrible defense that needs to outscore their opponent. GB are pretenders....they'll be there in a couple of years. They just don't have that last component to going far...will not win more than 9 games. I'll admit my error if they do...and I'll eat crow.


Well, not necc. That Rams defense was a better unit than you'd think. They ranked 6th overall in total defense and ranked #1 in run defense (only giving up 74 yards per game.) At that time, running the football (Rams ranked 5th in '99) and stopping the run game was the norm as far as dominating defense's goes and the Rams only gave up 15 points per game on average. They only gave up 30 points just once all season and that was during the last game against Philly.

The norm in the NFL now is to throw the football and score points and play defense. Green Bay got both of that and New England is the one that doesn't have the last component in stopping teams. Interesting. We'll see at the end of the year.
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Postby Jonny B » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:48 am

I don't think the Pats' D is a case of being really poor, but more of them having an inability to adjust. (they're defense is a pretty young core.) They gave up most of their points this year in the second half. Either they're not adjusting well, or, the defense may be so simplified that their opponents figure them out. Give them a couple years; they'll be back to form once the youngsters get some experience under their belt.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:06 am

Jonny B wrote:I don't think the Pats' D is a case of being really poor, but more of them having an inability to adjust. (they're defense is a pretty young core.) They gave up most of their points this year in the second half. Either they're not adjusting well, or, the defense may be so simplified that their opponents figure them out. Give them a couple years; they'll be back to form once the youngsters get some experience under their belt.


It'll take them probably more than a couple years to gel, atleast consistently. That young on defense and losing most of their morale and veteran leadership, it takes good time to establish that and get down the chemistry of where to lineup and what not of a defensive unit. You look at Polamalu and Aaron Smith last year going down with injury for the Steelers, those 2 guys have been a humongous part of the puzzle and our success for the last decade and as soon as they went down with injury all of a sudden having new guys in there, people were making mistakes, lining up wrong and communication failed. Having stability is key to a defense. New England is in complete overhaul, but if they can keep the same guys and commit, they are bound to come together eventually and it'll take time.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:24 am

How many sacks is that already on Cutler? Green Bay's defense is really becoming nasty. Cutler has a pick and should have another. If you bring pressure in his face and move around like Green Bay's defense does, Cutler will look like Ryan Leaf. Good showing by the Pack so far.
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Postby S2M » Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:55 pm

Ummm....don't look now, but Da Bears are pulling away....and were a half yard from being up 21-10....book 'em Dano.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:30 pm

The difference maker right now is the personal foul penalties on Green Bay and the punt return by Hester. Nice D by Briggs and Urlacher, weird fumble. Great game.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:38 pm

Packers 17 penalties. Simply beating themselves. Can't win any football games committing that many penalties.
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Postby S2M » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:42 pm

S2M wrote:I'll take Chicago by 3 as times runs out....Pack won't win more than 9 games this year....


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Postby pinkfloyd1973 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:47 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:Packers 17 penalties. Simply beating themselves. Can't win any football games committing that many penalties.



The Packers can't do badass like Da Bears :P
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:49 pm

Good call Malone, on the money, we're all good for calls like that lately ;) Should have never came to that point, why GB didn't just let them score with 0 timeouts with 58 seconds left I don't know. 17 penalties won't win teams too many football games. Pack outgained Chi by atleast 100 yards. Cutler lucked out on atleast 3-4 interceptions. Pack's still the better overall team. Good game.

Atleast I won my fantasy by 2 points. Sweated it out, won 106-104. My buddy had Johnny Knox playing and only needed like 12 points for the win. He only gave him 9. Phew.
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Postby mikemarrs » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:12 pm

Week 4
Sun. Oct. 03
Jets at Bills, 1:00 PM
Seahawks at Rams, 1:00 PM
Panthers at Saints, 1:00 PM
Lions at Packers, 1:00 PM
Bengals at Browns, 1:00 PM
Ravens at Steelers, 1:00 PM
Broncos at Titans, 1:00 PM
49ers at Falcons, 1:00 PM
Colts at Jaguars, 4:05 PM
Texans at Raiders, 4:05 PM
Redskins at Eagles, 4:15 PM
Cardinals at Chargers, 4:15 PM
Bears at Giants, 8:20 PM
Mon. Oct. 04
Patriots at Dolphins, 8:30 PM
Byes: DAL, KC, MIN, TB
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Postby mikemarrs » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:16 pm

YoungJRNY,the steelers get a real good test this week at home against baltimore.that one should be a good game.i'll be watching the titans take on denver this weekend.

week 4 doesn't seem to have any really good games this week besides maybe the steelers game and the monday night game.the redskins at eagles will be interesting......
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Postby lights1961 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:56 pm

I AM SO F******** PISSED this morning... after only being able to watch the 4th quarter... ALL THOSE FREAKING PENALTIES.. they deserve to lose... and to still almost come out with a win is amazing---the fumble was the dagger... but still they intercepted Cutler during that last drive... that should NOT have been defensive pass interference... but thats just me... as bad as green bay was during the 4th quarter... I think they can correct those mistakes... and get back on track... but last night after that game, I wanted to punch something... anyway, glad its over now... and on to the next...

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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:03 am

mikemarrs wrote:YoungJRNY,the steelers get a real good test this week at home against baltimore.that one should be a good game.i'll be watching the titans take on denver this weekend.

week 4 doesn't seem to have any really good games this week besides maybe the steelers game and the monday night game.the redskins at eagles will be interesting......


Absolutely. I'm actually not AS worried for Baltimore as I usually am going into this matchup. I seriously have the '08 feeling all over again as a fan that this Steelers defense is brutally unstoppable and can take this team to a 12-13 win season and Flacco always struggles against the Steelers, esp in Heinz Field. The way Flacco plays and the way he likes the deep ball and forces throws, the Steelers can certainly pressure him into making quick and forced decisions, kind of like the Bungles did several weeks ago. That defense has holes as well and the way Mendenhall is running, I expect us to gain more yardage on the ground than past years.

Balty is also without Ed Reed and is young on the corners and secondary and Charlie isn't afraid to go deep so maybe we can catch them looking in the backfield and call out some double moves to get some long balls to stretch the field. I'm confident in this one but as always, it'll be a 60 minute, low scoring war.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:00 am

Some teams mixing and matching this week as well as teams cracking the top 10 while overlapping and stepping over some teams in the ranking process while some fall out of the top 10 due to poor- mediocre performances in week 3 against bad ball clubs that are up in the air.

My week 3 Power Rankings:

1. Pittsburgh Steelers (5): I can't pin-point a better OVERALL team at this point in time. Everyone now knows of the return of the suffocating Steelers defense is instilling fear across the league and everyone is now taking notice. In 3 games, the Steelers D only gave up 2 lousy touchdowns, which both came in garbage time. They finally broke out on offense scoring 38 points with Charlie Batch leading the way and now have a huge divisional test with Baltimore coming into town for an AFC North showdown. Hines Ward said it best: "Noone wants us to be 4-0 with a mad Ben coming back."


2. Indianapolis Colts (4): How good is Peyton Manning? Answer: Damn good. The way he takes over a game is special to watch and watching him play pitch and catch with his supporting cast is a treat as well. The way Manning can manipulate a defense is amazing and if he can keep this up, which he will, then the Colts will be back on their way to another 12 win season and could possibly duke it out with Pittsburgh all season for early home field competition. A legit contender, even with Bob Sanders out of the defensive lineup.


3. NY Jets (6): What a difference a two week swing can make for this offense to show up. Mark Sanchez is proving to the league that he got the good and has matured way past his years dating back from a week ago. If he can limit his mistakes and take care of the football the way he's been doing in recent weeks (0 interceptions) and with Santonio Holmes coming back soon, the Jets will now have the balance they are looking for to go along with that mean defense on the other side of the ball. Winning on the road in Miami signified the arrival of putting their bite where their mouth is in the EAST.


4. New Orleans Saints (1): Tough break for this New Orleans team against a team that is poised to make some noise in their division. Missing a "gimmie" 20 some yard field goal in overtime surely is a letdown, esp in a big divisional matchup. Now New Orleans is down 1 to Atlanta in the division and now has to go to Atlanta down the road to which should set up some NFC South fireworks. 2 weeks in a row they caught the breaks to eek out wins against Minny and San Fran. This was bound to happen to the champs sooner or later but they should rebound fairly quickly. No panic in Nawlins.



5. Philadelphia Eagles (9): Michael Vick is completley shredding defense's this year, and to the horror of his opponents, it's not with his legs. Vick is playing like the Pro-Bowl quarterback he once was but is looking impressively accurate in doing so in going downfield with the football. He made atleast 6-7 throws last week that not many QB's could have made. I'm still holding off and personally not jumping on the Vick bandwagon just yet. He's started against 2 pathetic defense's in Detroit and Jacksonville and will now have a tough test this week with a aggressive defense against Washington, who's should be out to prove something after losing 2 in a row.


6. Green Bay Packers (3): Green Bay and Chicago matchups are always a hard nosed football game, but the Packers committed 17 penalties on Monday Night and 2 straight personal foul penalties back to back on the Bears game winning drive to seal their bad fortune. They played Chicago tough on the road and should have came up with turnovers, but their undisciplined nature cost them in a close divisional game. A bright spot though was Aaron Rodgers pin-point accuracy and that O-line keeping his jersey spotless.


7. Chicago Bears (N/A): The Bears, not the Packers OR Vikings, are the ones sitting atop the NFC North. They have a record of 3-0 and are 2 up in the division early. Jay Cutler had a okay game and got lucky on some Packer penalties, but through the most part, he got through the night and only threw one interception after throwing 6 last year in the season opener.Cutler got some breaks, but it was the Bears defense that allowed Chicago to pull away with the W forcing a late game turnover. The tandem of Urlacher, Peppers, and Briggs is looking mighty good.



8. Atlanta Falcons (N/A): The Falcons now have the early tiebreaker against the Saints, went into the Dome and punched Bree's and the Champions of the South in the mouth. Matt Ryan is starting to get into sync and Tony Gonzalez is still a valuable weapon in the passing game. If Atlanta can hold off the rest of the league for the time being and beat New Orleans at home weeks down the road, then could be poised to be the upset winner in the NFC South. Solid football team.



9. Houston Texans (2): The Texans, sitting at 2-0 coming back home after a thrilling come from behind victory in OT in Washington the week before, seemed to be out of gas against a fired up Dallas Cowboys team looking for their first win of the season. A tough task for any team to come home to but if they would of took it to Dallas to go to 3-0, then Houston could of been well on their way. Now, they must rebound and show the world they can come back and win after being defeated in convincing fashion.




10. Baltimore Ravens (10): Baltimore needed a breakout performance from Joe Flacco and Anquan Boldin to beat the hapless Cleveland Browns by only a 7 point margin at home (Cleveland ALMOST answered my upset call this week.) Baltimore now has to limp into Pittsburgh this week for the game of the week, and they could be without their starting tailback in Ray Rice. Their defense is still playing tough ball, but they can be exploited this week with a revved up Pittsburgh team and the surging legs of Rashard Mendenhall on the radar.

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Up for grabs:

Tennessee Titans, Dallas Cowboys, Minnesota Vikings, Denver Broncos, Seattle Seahawks, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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Turning some heads:

St.Louis Rams, Detroit Lions
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Disappointing efforts:

San Diego Chargers, Washington Redskins, San Francisco 49'ers, N.Y Giants

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Work in progress:

Jacksonville Jaguars, Arizona Cardinals, Cleveland Browns, Oakland Raiders, Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers
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