They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Boomchild]

Perhaps people do this, but if I were a public figure being interviewed for a news story, video or written, I would have my own camera people there to record everything word for word. Then, when it was edited taking things out of context or just to make me look bad, I would post the full version online.

Are you suggesting that these undercover videos of CNN by Project Veritas have been edited to portray something that is not true? If so, you would not be the first person to suggest this. That is why they released the full unedited versions of the videos shot. I believe one of the videos I listed talked about them releasing over 100 hours of footage from their CNN investigation. I think it is pretty safe to say that if these CNN employees were aware they were being video taped they would have NEVER been candid nor said the things they did. Case and point, look how the CEO of CNN who KNEW James was filming him and avoided responding to him. You are also not the first person to suggest that people have their own cameras to tape the interview. It's been done and in some cases the person being interviewed has been able show the contrast. Also, I think you would be surprised at how many interview offers are retracted when this type of thing is suggested. This type of thing does not exist in any type of investigative journalism. If the "target" is aware they are being recorded then they would simply avoid being exposed for whatever they are being investigated for.

[S2M]

There's that, and the local TV News crew in Houston that videoed CNN STAGING a news story. It's posted here several months back. It's also comon knowledge that CNN's CEO's ordered them to side line stories to push the Trump/Russia fiction.

You guys are insufferable. Fiction this...fake that...lie this...deception that. Don't forget, the Geocentric model of the solar system was the believed view until Heliocentrism was discovered. the REAL truth will come out in the end.

All I see here are a bunch of Kyrie Irvings.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well, while you all are whining about Clinton and what forum to post your crap to:

Trump lied about Time wanting him to be "Man of the Year' and he turned it down, which would have been the second year in a row. Time says they do not announce it to anybody until early next month, and it is not Trump. It is also well known that Trump has a FAKE cover of time with his picture at Trump tower - which he insists is real...another lie.

Who cares? Nobody reads Time. or magazines. Everybody knows Trump is prone to exaggerations, hyperbole, bold-faced lies....it's a NY thing.

Trump all but endorses a pedophile running for congress, Roy Moore in Alabama...basically because the guy denied the accusations, and they need the vote for the tax bill. Even Republicans now say that even if Moore wins, the party loses.

The Democratic Party's standard bearer has been and still is Bill Cinton - a rapist. Who cares?

The tax bill above already has two Republicans in the senate voting against it - so it has already failed. He is a salesman, not a "deal maker".

Even LBJ - known as the greatest congressional persuader in history - was unable to get unanimous votes for his historic legislation. What's your point?

He also has the dept cieling to contend with next month...which must be raised. The debt ceiling is for money in the current years budget -- money ALREADY SPENT. So, fighting it is pointless and destructive to the credibility of the US...But, we'll see what Trump and Republicans decide to do.

Nothing new here. Zzzzz

Trump spent MORE time golfing...he now spends more time golfing than Obama did. During the campaign he said he would be too busy to be golfing -- he lied.

Nobody cares.

Trump's attorneys are no longer receiving the cooperation from Michael Flynn's attorneys...which may indicate that Flynn has turned into a witness against him.

It *MAY* indicate that - or it could be completely unrelated to Russia collusion and involve Flynn's work with Turkey gov't. Mueller is casting such a wide-net that you have no possible way of knowing. As you have said repeatedly on here, everything is classified...hush-hush..mum's the word.

According to reports, Trump now denies that the Access Hollywood tape is real, he believes it is fake. This is after he said it was himself on the tape and apologized for it.

Ok - who cares?

The debate to end net nuetrality laws was opened up. Bascicaly this means that ISP's may throttle (limit) your bandwidth in favor of large corporations, or throttle your connection to certain websites, while favoring connection to others. If you read the articles ISP's like Verizon say they won't do that...but the FACT is they WERE doing it in the past and that is the reason this law was passed. Trump has been against it from the time it was proposed.

I have heard this debate forever. I even remember an old Bill Moyers special on Net Neutrality - that was easily over 15 years ago. Forgive me if I don't act outraged.

But, hey, keep being distracted by Clinton this and Obama that, Benghazi, Uranium One, whatever...keep being loyal Trump zombies and ignore the failure of this Presidency.

Whatever you say, liberal.

[Boomchild]

There's that, and the local TV News crew in Houston that videoed CNN STAGING a news story. It's posted here several months back. It's also comon knowledge that CNN's CEO's ordered them to side line stories to push the Trump/Russia fiction.

You guys are insufferable. Fiction this...fake that...lie this...deception that. Don't forget, the Geocentric model of the solar system was the believed view until Heliocentrism was discovered. the REAL truth will come out in the end.

All I see here are a bunch of Kyrie Irvings.

Just what I thought. Criticizing the poster instead providing information that refutes the story.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Good article from a non-brain-dead liberal.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/11/28 ... n-agent-2/

[Monker]

There's that, and the local TV News crew in Houston that videoed CNN STAGING a news story. It's posted here several months back. It's also comon knowledge that CNN's CEO's ordered them to side line stories to push the Trump/Russia fiction.

You guys are insufferable. Fiction this...fake that...lie this...deception that. Don't forget, the Geocentric model of the solar system was the believed view until Heliocentrism was discovered. the REAL truth will come out in the end.

All I see here are a bunch of Kyrie Irvings.

Well, this isn't quite true. Copernicus theorized the sun was the center of the solar system in the 1500's (don't feel like looking up the date). But, it wasn't really "widely" accepted until Galileo discovered moons around Jupiter.

The geocentric model was promoted by the church. At the time it was believed that God would never put his creation at any other place other than the center of the universe. Putting the Sun at the center of the solar system was viewed as a pagan idea and "sun worship". So, even though Copernicus had it right, people did not widely accept it because doing so risked heresy or excommunication or facing the inquisition. Even Galileo was confronted by the church for promoting the Copernicus model os the solar system.

But, your comparison is still valid...

To these people Trump is the center of their political universe. To view it any other way is sinful. If he says the Access Hollywood tape is fake, then it is fake. If he says Mueller is on a witch hunt...then the witches have gathered together to go hunting (according to KC anyway). If he says to vote for Roy Moore, even though he is a pedophile, then that is who they vote for - because Trump is the center of their political universe and everything revolves around him.

Reality doesn't matter. Simple observations of fact do not matter. Lies do not matter (according to TNC's last note to me). Therefore, truth does not matter. All that matters is everything revolves around Trump.

In reality, the center of everybody's political universe is the Constituion, like it or not. It will not bow to Trump's will. In the end, it may be how Trump leaves office - via impeachment.

[The_Noble_Cause]

To these people Trump is the center of their political universe. To view it any other way is sinful. If he says the Access Hollywood tape is fake, then it is fake.

Quote somebody in this thread saying the Access Hollywood video is fake. Nobody even commented because it's meaningless. Nobody cares.

If he says Mueller is on a witch hunt...then the witches have gathered together to go hunting (according to KC anyway).

By your own admission, you can't even say WHAT it is Mueller is looking at. The Manafort indictment involved work for the Ukranian government. Now, Flynn's work for Turkey is under scrutiny. Here I thought Mueller was looking into Russian election hacking. Sure sounds like a wide-ranging witch hunt to me.

If he says to vote for Roy Moore, even though he is a pedophile, then that is who they vote for - because Trump is the center of their political universe and everything revolves around him.

Who in this thread lives in Alabama? Name names. Why are you against the people of Alabama exercising their right to vote?

Reality doesn't matter. Simple observations of fact do not matter. Lies do not matter (according to TNC's last note to me). Therefore, truth does not matter. All that matters is everything revolves around Trump.

Depends on the scale of the lie...

Example: "Iraq has WMDS" = HUGE lie.

Counter Example: "I have the biggest crowds, know the best words, buy my steaks, buy my hats etc etc" = Trump being Trump

In reality, the center of everybody's political universe is the Constituion, like it or not. It will not bow to Trump's will. In the end, it may be how Trump leaves office - via impeachment.

Keep chasing that rainbow, liberal stooge.

[tj]

Perhaps people do this, but if I were a public figure being interviewed for a news story, video or written, I would have my own camera people there to record everything word for word. Then, when it was edited taking things out of context or just to make me look bad, I would post the full version online.

Are you suggesting that these undercover videos of CNN by Project Veritas have been edited to portray something that is not true? If so, you would not be the first person to suggest this. That is why they released the full unedited versions of the videos shot. I believe one of the videos I listed talked about them releasing over 100 hours of footage from their CNN investigation. I think it is pretty safe to say that if these CNN employees were aware they were being video taped they would have NEVER been candid nor said the things they did. Case and point, look how the CEO of CNN who KNEW James was filming him and avoided responding to him. You are also not the first person to suggest that people have their own cameras to tape the interview. It's been done and in some cases the person being interviewed has been able show the contrast. Also, I think you would be surprised at how many interview offers are retracted when this type of thing is suggested. This type of thing does not exist in any type of investigative journalism. If the "target" is aware they are being recorded then they would simply avoid being exposed for whatever they are being investigated for.

Not related to the Veritas stuff. I am generally fine with what they do. I would be fine if an interview request was withdrawn because I was going to video it. That shows me a lack of trustworthiness on the part of the interviewer.

[Monker]

And, there you go. The Access Hollywood tape is "meaningless" simply because Trump zombies did not comment on it. Trump zombies can't see past their tiny point of view. Trump admits and apologizes for what he said. Then, a year later, tries to rewrite history and LIES and says the tape is fake, that it's not really his voice. Come on now, even Trump knows this now has more "meaning" today than it did a year ago - and he is LYING to try to distance himself from it.

But, of course, over-analyzed stories about Bill Clinton from 30yrs ago matter - because people on this forum are talking about it? Made up conspiracy theories about Uranium One matter, because people on here talk about it? They are not "meaningless" to Trump zombies only because Trump Tweets about it and BEGS people to give them attention...his zombie followers are glad to do as he asks.

Mueller is charged with investigating the Russian interference with the election AND ANY CRIMES UNCOVERED DURING THAT INVESTIGATION. To a Trump zombie, only the first part of Mueller's responsibilities matter...the second, capitalized, part is considered "witch-hunt"ing because.....DONALD TRUMP SAYS SO. Sorry, but I think the people being indicted and charged with crimes, or pleading guilty, know Mueller is serious and it is no witch-hunt.

To a Trump zombie, Trump is just being "Trump" when he lies. He lies about anything, big or small, it doesn't matter. He seems to believe there is no such thing as a lie, only degrees of truth. He can lie about crowd sizes, he can lie about assaulting women, it's all the same to a Trump zombie....because it's just Trump being "Trump". That is, "Trump" equates to a pathological liar.

Again, the Trump zombies world will fall when the Constitution comes into play. It's fallen for the Muslim ban. It's fallen for repeal/replace ObamaCare. It will fall for tax reform. If falls when he tries to direct the media. It's fallen for those charged with crimes by Mueller. It will fall when Trump himself is impeached.

[Boomchild]

Who in this thread lives in Alabama? Name names. Why are you against the people of Alabama exercising their right to vote?

It shouldn't surprise you. When the topic of the DNC rigging their primary came up Monker didn't think it was an issue with the election process. Monker seems perfectly fine with the DNC determining the candidate instead of the voting members of the party. Not to mention doing so without the voters being aware of it until it was exposed.

[Monker]

Who in this thread lives in Alabama? Name names. Why are you against the people of Alabama exercising their right to vote?

It shouldn't surprise you. When the topic of the DNC rigging their primary came up Monker didn't think it was an issue with the election process. Monker seems perfectly fine with the DNC determining the candidate instead of the voting members of the party. Not to mention doing so without the voters being aware of it until it was exposed.

Why are you so arrogant that you believe that a handful of peon nobody's represent the entirety of Trump zombies? I did not write that regarding any specific person or few people. That is how Trump zombies act, whether it be those handful in this forum, or the millions out there voting nationally.

[Monker]

A young Donald Trump visits SNL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9t5AJNF0so

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, there you go. The Access Hollywood tape is "meaningless" simply because Trump zombies did not comment on it. Trump zombies can't see past their tiny point of view. Trump admits and apologizes for what he said. Then, a year later, tries to rewrite history and LIES and says the tape is fake, that it's not really his voice. Come on now, even Trump knows this now has more "meaning" today than it did a year ago - and he is LYING to try to distance himself from it.

Show me the link where Trump publicly denies the tape's authenticity. You can't. The press ran a story citing an unnamed senator and staffer. More anonymous sources. Why is this newsworthy? Time and again, the press puts out dubious, poorly-sourced garbage - (in many cases the stories get retracted) - and you repeat it here. If anything, it speaks to your gullibility. Whatever the press says, you trip over yourself to post it here. Because of this, you are on here repeating the 17 intel lie, the Hillary private server lie, the Brazile was framed lie. All sorts of discredited BS. How many anal fissures do you have from being the DNC's personal hand puppet?

But, of course, over-analyzed stories about Bill Clinton from 30yrs ago matter - because people on this forum are talking about it?

No, it matters because hypocrites like YOU are pretending to be oh-so-shocked by the sexual behavior of Moore etc. Meanwhile, the shining star of your party is and has been a serial raper. The truth is, most voters couldn’t care less about sexual impropriety.

Made up conspiracy theories about Uranium One matter, because people on here talk about it? They are not "meaningless" to Trump zombies only because Trump Tweets about it and BEGS people to give them attention...his zombie followers are glad to do as he asks.

Sara Carter with Circa news has done yeomans work on the Uranimum story. The FBI informant set to testify on Uranium certainly isn’t imaginary. News exists outside your insular bubble of MSNBC, NPR, CNN etc.

Mueller is charged with investigating the Russian interference with the election AND ANY CRIMES UNCOVERED DURING THAT INVESTIGATION.

In America, we investigate crimes, not people. You are endorsing the Stalinist logic of “show me the man and I'll show you the crime.” It’s unAmerican and it IS a witch-hunt. Manafort’s work for Ukraine dates back to 2004. Should Mueller indict him for stealing a candy bar as a kid also?

To a Trump zombie, only the first part of Mueller's responsibilities matter...the second, capitalized, part is considered "witch-hunt"ing because.....DONALD TRUMP SAYS SO.

I don’t think ANY of this matters. And I am willing to bet most voters agree. The very idea that Russia was able to influence American voters through memes and emojis is offensively dumb. Russia spent $100k on FB ads. Meanwhile, Hillary’s CTR superpac spent $1 million on bogus social media accounts.

Sorry, but I think the people being indicted and charged with crimes, or pleading guilty, know Mueller is serious and it is no witch-hunt.

I guess you don’t know much about witch hunts. Many of the accused in Salem pleaded guilty and were drowned.

To a Trump zombie, Trump is just being "Trump" when he lies. He lies about anything, big or small, it doesn't matter. He seems to believe there is no such thing as a lie, only degrees of truth. He can lie about crowd sizes, he can lie about assaulting women, it's all the same to a Trump zombie....because it's just Trump being "Trump". That is, "Trump" equates to a pathological liar.

Trump has been a public figure forever. There is nothing new about his braggadocious, NY hype-man style. Voters were aware of it before they voted for him.

Again, the Trump zombies world will fall when the Constitution comes into play. It's fallen for the Muslim ban. It's fallen for repeal/replace ObamaCare. It will fall for tax reform. If falls when he tries to direct the media. It's fallen for those charged with crimes by Mueller. It will fall when Trump himself is impeached.

If you care so much about the Constitution, care to point out where a special council is codified into law? The Supreme Court’s independent counsel ruling has been expired for close two decades. You don’t know shit. You lash out and call everybody a zombie because you know everybody sees right through you. Without DNC talking points, you have absolutely nothing to say.

[S2M]

That's how Democrats work TNC. Moore was ACCUSED. A month later, no charges from any of them. None! Nothing presented publically. Just hear say. They just hold something up, say look, and it's gone. But they got the part out they wanted, and at the right time. Moores team has asked for what ever they have to check it out and gets a big NO! Again, I'm sure he is a slime ball. But also, I wonder how many of these women have big fat DNC checks in their bank accounts? Just like that Trump tape. He said with the power and money of the star, he could, but never said he did.Wienstein proved his point, didn't he? Monker says well he implied he did it. Alot of guys boasting about their fame would,IN PRIVATE.

I agree.

Just ask Elmo Blatch, the golf pro, and the tasty bitch he was fucking.

[Monker]

And, here we go again.

When you make points against Trump, when you point out the obvious truths of the situation of his Presidency, a few things happen:

First, "don't look at Trump....it was the one armed man!" Too bad, Trump has over a dozen women accusing him of sexual harrassment or assault. Pointing to Clinton or Al Franken, or whoever doesn't change that. Even after all of those accusations, the party that talks about morals as if they have the higher ground, still voted for him. Various Christian fundamentalists, still endorsed him. NOTHING Clinton did changes that. We now have a president in office who abused women in his past. Ivana even accused him of rape, and then tried to tone it down to "well, not in a criminal way..." He refuses to talk against a pedophile because he needs votes in congress. Trump is a sexually immoral person - regardless of what anybody else in the world has or has not done.

Second, "you are a...." This is called an ad-hominem attack. They can't win the argument so they attack the character or motive, or whatever, of the person stating the real facts. Essentially, they are saying, "don't look at the real argument here, don't look at the facts, don't look at how I am losing based on those things. Instead, look at how I attack this person." Trump zombies are essentially mirroring their hero when they do this. Trump is so entrenched in doing this, he will stand in front of a group of Native Americans and called Elizbeth Warren "Poccahontas". He attacks the wife of Ted Cruz. He attacks the looks of Carly Fiorina. He attacks the demeanor of Jeb Bush. He does this because he can't win the argument with facts or knowledge of the subject. The Trump zombies are doing the EXACT SAME THING in this thread...Under the surface of all the ad-hominem attacks they know Trump is a failure and an embaressment to the country...and they really have no defense for it...other than, "you are a...."

And, yeah, you could argue that "Trump zombie" is also an ad-hominem attack. But, I am intentionaly mocking Trump's way of making up nicknames...and, frankly, it's the truth. These people are simply following their leader and doing as he tells them. Or, they follow surrogates like Sean Hannity, or like in the last bit from KC, Newt Gingrich.

Third, "Let's talk about this instead..." They can't talk about Trump so they would MUCH rather talk about things totally unrelated to the Trump Presidency. Hillary, Bill, Obama, Uranium One, Benghazi, anything else. And, again, this is encouraged by Trump BEGGING for these things to get attention...and the Trump zombies gladly fall in line. It should be very telling that in a Trump thread full of Trump supporters that they refuse to talk about Trump and would rather talk about Bill, Hillary, and Obama..this is what Trump WANTS them to talk about. He BEGS for it to get attention.

[Monker]

Monker says well he implied he did it. Alot of guys boasting about their fame would,IN PRIVATE.

This is what is called a LIE. I never said or implied any such thing. If I had, he would be able to quote it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, here we go again.

When you make points against Trump, when you point out the obvious truths of the situation of his Presidency, a few things happen:

If you successfully made all these valid "points against Trump", you should quote them. You have no quotes here. I could just as easily say that FF, KC, and myself disputed your "points" while also revealing you to be a DNC shill.

First, "don't look at Trump....it was the one armed man!" Too bad, Trump has over a dozen women accusing him of sexual harrassment or assault. Pointing to Clinton or Al Franken, or whoever doesn't change that. Even after all of those accusations, the party that talks about morals as if they have the higher ground, still voted for him. Various Christian fundamentalists, still endorsed him. NOTHING Clinton did changes that. We now have a president in office who abused women in his past. Ivana even accused him of rape, and then tried to tone it down to "well, not in a criminal way..." He refuses to talk against a pedophile because he needs votes in congress. Trump is a sexually immoral person - regardless of what anybody else in the world has or has not done.

Pointing out your hypocrisy is not a deflection. If you truly cared about "sexual immorality", there would be a record of you on these forums repudiating it within your own Democratic house. There is NONE. You don't care. I don't care. Voters don't care either. So stop pretending.

Second, "you are a...." This is called an ad-hominem attack.

Says the guy who has continued to label everyone on here a "zombie" or some form of derogatory McCarthyite red-baiting insult? That's rich.

They can't win the argument so they attack the character or motive, or whatever, of the person stating the real facts.

All of your arguments have been shot to shit. That's why you have no quotes in this post. You have been soundly thrashed and now just engage in block-text rambling.

Essentially, they are saying, "don't look at the real argument here, don't look at the facts, don't look at how I am losing based on those things. Instead, look at how I attack this person." Trump zombies are essentially mirroring their hero when they do this.

If Trump voters, like myself, are "losing" the argument why don't you post some quotes? Why, it's as if you are afraid your strawman arguments will be blown away all over again.

Trump is so entrenched in doing this, he will stand in front of a group of Native Americans and called Elizbeth Warren "Poccahontas".

To quote one of the Navajo heroes actually at the ceremony: "The Marines made us yell ‘Geronimo’ when we jumped out of planes and that didn’t offend me either."

He attacks the wife of Ted Cruz.

Made in response to a perceived attack on Melania. Why don't you give the entire story?

He attacks the looks of Carly Fiorina.

This was said on his plane. Not a public statement. And Carly IS a mutt-faced wench.

He attacks the demeanor of Jeb Bush.

"Low energy" resonated with the public because it had the ring of truth. As with Hillary, Jeb thought he was owed the presidency.

He does this because he can't win the argument with facts or knowledge of the subject.

Trump didn't win the GOP primary and the election on the basis of schoolyard zingers alone. He spoke about policies - NAFTA, the Wall, dumb Middle East wars - that other candidates wouldn't take on.

The Trump zombies are doing the EXACT SAME THING in this thread...Under the surface of all the ad-hominem attacks they know Trump is a failure and an embaressment to the country...and they really have no defense for it...other than, "you are a...."

Again, if this was true you would post some quotes.
To paraphrase an old saying, 'when the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When you have no facts, you pound the table.'

And, yeah, you could argue that "Trump zombie" is also an ad-hominem attack. But, I am intentional mocking Trump's way of making up nicknames...and, frankly, it's the truth.

Ah, of course. The old "it's political satire" excuse. Cut the shit. You are just a hypocrite who can't help but contradict himself in every post.

These people are simply following their leader and doing as he tells them. Or, they follow surrogates like Sean Hannity, or like in the last bit from KC, Newt Gingrich.

Has KC or FF ever posted something as flagrantly false as "Hillary had permission to use a private server"?
Btw, you ever find the link to that, or where you just on here giving cover to your chosen candidate? I think we both know the answer.

Third, "Let's talk about this instead..." They can't talk about Trump so they would MUCH rather talk about things totally unrelated to the Trump Presidency. Hillary, Bill, Obama, Uranium One, Benghazi, anything else. And, again, this is encouraged by Trump BEGGING for these things to get attention...and the Trump zombies gladly fall in line. It should be very telling that in a Trump thread full of Trump supporters that they refuse to talk about Trump and would rather talk about Bill, Hillary, and Obama..this is what Trump WANTS them to talk about. He BEGS for it to get attention.

Very telling that you are on here sucking Mueller's dick, floating Russian hysteria, defending Donna Brazile, and talking about petty bullshit like the Access Hollywood tape. When you want to have a substantive discussion on actual issues that matter, let us know. Nobody is afraid of your retarded, ass. To quote Trump, "Believe Me!"

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread
Postby K.C.Journey Fan » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:58 pm

So there's two Republicans I know of. I'm losing count of Democrats.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread
Postby S2M » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:10 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
That's how Democrats work TNC. Moore was ACCUSED. A month later, no charges from any of them. None! Nothing presented publically. Just hear say. They just hold something up, say look, and it's gone. But they got the part out they wanted, and at the right time. Moores team has asked for what ever they have to check it out and gets a big NO! Again, I'm sure he is a slime ball. But also, I wonder how many of these women have big fat DNC checks in their bank accounts? Just like that Trump tape. He said with the power and money of the star, he could, but never said he did.Wienstein proved his point, didn't he? Monker says well he implied he did it. Alot of guys boasting about their fame would,IN PRIVATE.


I agree.

Just ask Elmo Blatch, the golf pro, and the tasty bitch he was fucking.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread
Postby Monker » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:19 am

And, here we go again.

When you make points against Trump, when you point out the obvious truths of the situation of his Presidency, a few things happen:

First, "don't look at Trump....it was the one armed man!" Too bad, Trump has over a dozen women accusing him of sexual harrassment or assault. Pointing to Clinton or Al Franken, or whoever doesn't change that. Even after all of those accusations, the party that talks about morals as if they have the higher ground, still voted for him. Various Christian fundamentalists, still endorsed him. NOTHING Clinton did changes that. We now have a president in office who abused women in his past. Ivana even accused him of rape, and then tried to tone it down to "well, not in a criminal way..." He refuses to talk against a pedophile because he needs votes in congress. Trump is a sexually immoral person - regardless of what anybody else in the world has or has not done.

Second, "you are a...." This is called an ad-hominem attack. They can't win the argument so they attack the character or motive, or whatever, of the person stating the real facts. Essentially, they are saying, "don't look at the real argument here, don't look at the facts, don't look at how I am losing based on those things. Instead, look at how I attack this person." Trump zombies are essentially mirroring their hero when they do this. Trump is so entrenched in doing this, he will stand in front of a group of Native Americans and called Elizbeth Warren "Poccahontas". He attacks the wife of Ted Cruz. He attacks the looks of Carly Fiorina. He attacks the demeanor of Jeb Bush. He does this because he can't win the argument with facts or knowledge of the subject. The Trump zombies are doing the EXACT SAME THING in this thread...Under the surface of all the ad-hominem attacks they know Trump is a failure and an embaressment to the country...and they really have no defense for it...other than, "you are a...."

And, yeah, you could argue that "Trump zombie" is also an ad-hominem attack. But, I am intentionaly mocking Trump's way of making up nicknames...and, frankly, it's the truth. These people are simply following their leader and doing as he tells them. Or, they follow surrogates like Sean Hannity, or like in the last bit from KC, Newt Gingrich.

Third, "Let's talk about this instead..." They can't talk about Trump so they would MUCH rather talk about things totally unrelated to the Trump Presidency. Hillary, Bill, Obama, Uranium One, Benghazi, anything else. And, again, this is encouraged by Trump BEGGING for these things to get attention...and the Trump zombies gladly fall in line. It should be very telling that in a Trump thread full of Trump supporters that they refuse to talk about Trump and would rather talk about Bill, Hillary, and Obama..this is what Trump WANTS them to talk about. He BEGS for it to get attention.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread
Postby Monker » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:25 am

Monker says well he implied he did it. Alot of guys boasting about their fame would,IN PRIVATE.


This is what is called a LIE. I never said or implied any such thing. If I had, he would be able to quote it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread
Postby Fact Finder » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:00 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
So there's two Republicans I know of. I'm losing count of Democrats.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nbc-fires-ma ... 24535.html



Damn..

Garrison Keillor, the former host of "A Prairie Home Companion," says he's been fired by Minnesota Public Radio over allegations of improper behavior.

Keillor told The Associated Press of his firing in an email. In a follow-up statement, he says he was fired over "a story that I think is more interesting and more complicated than the version MPR heard."
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread
Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:00 am

Monker wrote:
And, here we go again.

When you make points against Trump, when you point out the obvious truths of the situation of his Presidency, a few things happen:


If you successfully made all these valid "points against Trump", you should quote them. You have no quotes here. I could just as easily say that FF, KC, and myself disputed your "points" while also revealing you to be a DNC shill.

Monker wrote:
First, "don't look at Trump....it was the one armed man!" Too bad, Trump has over a dozen women accusing him of sexual harrassment or assault. Pointing to Clinton or Al Franken, or whoever doesn't change that. Even after all of those accusations, the party that talks about morals as if they have the higher ground, still voted for him. Various Christian fundamentalists, still endorsed him. NOTHING Clinton did changes that. We now have a president in office who abused women in his past. Ivana even accused him of rape, and then tried to tone it down to "well, not in a criminal way..." He refuses to talk against a pedophile because he needs votes in congress. Trump is a sexually immoral person - regardless of what anybody else in the world has or has not done.


Pointing out your hypocrisy is not a deflection. If you truly cared about "sexual immorality", there would be a record of you on these forums repudiating it within your own Democratic house. There is NONE. You don't care. I don't care. Voters don't care either. So stop pretending.

Monker wrote:
Second, "you are a...." This is called an ad-hominem attack.


Says the guy who has continued to label everyone on here a "zombie" or some form of derogatory McCarthyite red-baiting insult? That's rich.

Monker wrote:
They can't win the argument so they attack the character or motive, or whatever, of the person stating the real facts.


All of your arguments have been shot to shit. That's why you have no quotes in this post. You have been soundly thrashed and now just engage in block-text rambling.

Monker wrote:
Essentially, they are saying, "don't look at the real argument here, don't look at the facts, don't look at how I am losing based on those things. Instead, look at how I attack this person." Trump zombies are essentially mirroring their hero when they do this.


If Trump voters, like myself, are "losing" the argument why don't you post some quotes? Why, it's as if you are afraid your strawman arguments will be blown away all over again.

Monker wrote:
Trump is so entrenched in doing this, he will stand in front of a group of Native Americans and called Elizbeth Warren "Poccahontas".


To quote one of the Navajo heroes actually at the ceremony: "The Marines made us yell ‘Geronimo’ when we jumped out of planes and that didn’t offend me either."

Monker wrote:
He attacks the wife of Ted Cruz.


Made in response to a perceived attack on Melania. Why don't you give the entire story?

Monker wrote:
He attacks the looks of Carly Fiorina.


This was said on his plane. Not a public statement. And Carly IS a mutt-faced wench.

Monker wrote:
He attacks the demeanor of Jeb Bush.


"Low energy" resonated with the public because it had the ring of truth. As with Hillary, Jeb thought he was owed the presidency.

Monker wrote:
He does this because he can't win the argument with facts or knowledge of the subject.


Trump didn't win the GOP primary and the election on the basis of schoolyard zingers alone. He spoke about policies - NAFTA, the Wall, dumb Middle East wars - that other candidates wouldn't take on.

Monker wrote:
The Trump zombies are doing the EXACT SAME THING in this thread...Under the surface of all the ad-hominem attacks they know Trump is a failure and an embaressment to the country...and they really have no defense for it...other than, "you are a...."


Again, if this was true you would post some quotes.
To paraphrase an old saying, 'when the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When you have no facts, you pound the table.'

Monker wrote:
And, yeah, you could argue that "Trump zombie" is also an ad-hominem attack. But, I am intentional mocking Trump's way of making up nicknames...and, frankly, it's the truth.


Ah, of course. The old "it's political satire" excuse. Cut the shit. You are just a hypocrite who can't help but contradict himself in every post.

Monker wrote:
These people are simply following their leader and doing as he tells them. Or, they follow surrogates like Sean Hannity, or like in the last bit from KC, Newt Gingrich.


Has KC or FF ever posted something as flagrantly false as "Hillary had permission to use a private server"?
Btw, you ever find the link to that, or where you just on here giving cover to your chosen candidate? I think we both know the answer.

Monker wrote:
Third, "Let's talk about this instead..." They can't talk about Trump so they would MUCH rather talk about things totally unrelated to the Trump Presidency. Hillary, Bill, Obama, Uranium One, Benghazi, anything else. And, again, this is encouraged by Trump BEGGING for these things to get attention...and the Trump zombies gladly fall in line. It should be very telling that in a Trump thread full of Trump supporters that they refuse to talk about Trump and would rather talk about Bill, Hillary, and Obama..this is what Trump WANTS them to talk about. He BEGS for it to get attention.


Very telling that you are on here sucking Mueller's dick, floating Russian hysteria, defending Donna Brazile, and talking about petty bullshit like the Access Hollywood tape. When you want to have a substantive discussion on actual issues that matter, let us know. Nobody is afraid of your retarded, ass. To quote Trump, "Believe Me!"
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President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

And, now we come to the final phase of things. But, before I go there, let's recap...

I make a post COMPLETELY about Donald Trump and how incompetent he truly is. The reply is: Bill Clinton, Uranium One, blah, blah, blah...IGNORING the topic of this thread and the subject of my post and instead doing Donald Trump's bidding of DISTRACTING by talking about anything and everything....except the Donald Trump presidency. Look at the posts...does ANY Trump zombie actually make posts about Donald Trump? Nope...they can't because he is an utter failure of a president. So, I make a post and point this out...and reference how they are mirroring what Trump does.

That ensures a post of "you are a...." this and that. A bunch of ad-hominem attacks...again, mirroring Trump - doing EXACTLY as he has done repeatedly over the past few years. So, I also point this out in a post...

So, now, the ENTIRE discussion is about ME! LOL. It's too funny, and too predictable. It has happened REPEATEDLY here. Let's repeat things from a year ago, let's lie and make stuff up. Let's do whatever we can to solicit a defensive reply from me...avoid talking about Donald Trump AT ALL COSTS.

That is the entirity of what this forum is about nowadays...distraction, ad-hominem attacks, and trolling for defensive replies...ALL IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID DISCUSSING THE COMPLETE FAILURE OF DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT.

And, it's sad, really. Here we are with the very real possibility of war with North Korea. Instead of this country (not just this threaed) being involved in a true discussion of what that may mean, the consequences, the cost in both dollars and lives, the Trump zombies would rather debate about Bill Clinton and Uranium One.

Then there is the tax plan, which I do not see why anybody who maes less than $500,000/yr would support. It eventually removes all of the deductions that middle income people use. Yeah, it increases the child credit...but other than that, it is HORRIBLE. It increases the deficit - what the Tea Party was elected to STOP...to avoid another W.

Do Trump zombies want to discuss these topics? Nope...Trump doesn't want to discuss it either...just get it passed so he can say he did "something".

[slucero]

Name ONE thing Trump has been indicted for as POTUS.

One.


Now do the same for Bill Clinton.



Now STFU.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, now we come to the final phase of things. But, before I go there, let's recap...

I make a post COMPLETELY about Donald Trump and how incompetent he truly is. The reply is: Bill Clinton, Uranium One, blah, blah, blah...IGNORING the topic of this thread and the subject of my post and instead doing Donald Trump's bidding of DISTRACTING by talking about anything and everything....except the Donald Trump presidency.

Not sure what post you are referring to. Maybe you should quote it or something. If you still don’t know how to quote properly after years of being on this forum, I can’t help you. Sorry.

Look at the posts...does ANY Trump zombie actually make posts about Donald Trump? Nope...they can't because he is an utter failure of a president.

And very few posts in the Obama thread were about Obama’s legislative accomplishments. So this is a moot point. Most posters have better things to do than celebrate a particular political party or person. I know you come here to promote the DNC and Hilary, but I'm not interested in that. I will say that Trump’s tweet this morning about Scarborough’s dead intern was quite hilarious!

That ensures a post of "you are a...." this and that. A bunch of ad-hominem attacks...again, mirroring Trump - doing EXACTLY as he has done repeatedly over the past few years. So, I also point this out in a post...

And as already pointed out, you are the reigning king of ad hominem smears. Zombie this, zombie that. Russian this, Russian that. You are just a total hypocrite engaging in 'do as I say not as I do'.

So, now, the ENTIRE discussion is about ME! LOL. It's too funny, and too predictable. It has happened REPEATEDLY here. Let's repeat things from a year ago, let's lie and make stuff up. Let's do whatever we can to solicit a defensive reply from me...avoid talking about Donald Trump AT ALL COSTS.

99.9999% of your posts are about KC, FF, and other so-called “zombies.” When they return fire, you act shocked that the conversation has turned to you. Maybe you should have thought of this before gearing the conversation towards others.

That is the entirity of what this forum is about nowadays...distraction, ad-hominem attacks, and trolling for defensive replies...ALL IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID DISCUSSING THE COMPLETE FAILURE OF DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT.

If posts are not being replied to, maybe you should quote them. You can’t because you don’t have a factual leg to stand on. When facts are presented, all you do is scream “Fox News!”, “conspiracy theory!”, or “Alt right!” and then run away.

And, it's sad, really. Here we are with the very real possibility of war with North Korea. Instead of this country (not just this threaed) being involved in a true discussion of what that may mean, the consequences, the cost in both dollars and lives, the Trump zombies would rather debate about Bill Clinton and Uranium One.

North Korea has been discussed previously here.

Then there is the tax plan, which I do not see why anybody who maes less than $500,000/yr would support. It eventually removes all of the deductions that middle income people use. Yeah, it increases the child credit...but other than that, it is HORRIBLE. It increases the deficit - what the Tea Party was elected to STOP...to avoid another W.
Do Trump zombies want to discuss these topics? Nope...Trump doesn't want to discuss it either...just get it passed so he can say he did "something".

Maybe we just don’t want to discuss them with you.

[Boomchild]

On and on it goes...

CNN on Friday announced its firing of Teddy Davis, a senior producer of anchor Jake Tapper's show "State of the Union," over allegedly inappropriate behavior.

The network issued a statement saying it had fired Davis after an in-house investigation of his behavior, following an initial report that Davis was dismissed after three women came forward with complaints.

Matt Lauer has been fired from NBC over sexual misconduct complaints. They sure are dropping like flies.

[Memorex]

To the people of the world - Stop using your power to trap people or force people to look at your nasty dick.

That is all.

This public service announcement has been brought to you by Memorex.

[steveo777]

As the stock markets surge at unprecedented rates, there is more great news. We are on track for a 3.5% GDP, something Obama could never get during his entire two terms. In fact, the GDP averaged 1.55 under Obama. That was not Bush's fault. That is a failing grade, yet people like Monker like to say Trump is the failure. Wrong! Moar winning!

[S2M]

As the stock markets surge at unprecedented rates, there is more great news. We are on track for a 3.5% GDP, something Obama could never get during his entire two terms. In fact, the GDP averaged 1.55 under Obama. That was not Bush's fault. That is a failing grade, yet people like Monker like to say Trump is the failure. Wrong! Moar winning!

The truth is this: Democrats had “total control” of the House of Representatives from 2009-2011, 2 full years. Democrats, and therefore, Obama, had “total control” of the Senate from September 24, 2009 until February 4, 2010. A grand total of 4 months. Whoop-De-Fucking-Do!

And I don't care if Clyde doesn't have the support of his entire 'party'. He has the opportunity to get more done because he has total control of both the House, AND the Senate.

Way to confuse the facts, by complete and utter omission.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Monker CLEARLY gets his marching orders from Moveon.org. He's wrong about pretty much everything.

Absolutely. Here he is promoting “Indivisible”, a Soros-connected liberal astroturf group that disrupts town halls. But remember folks, Monker is NOT a Democrat!

You had your March 4 Trump protests and compared to what Indivisible is doing, it is miniscule. Indivisible is FAR more mainstream than you are giving it credit for.

[Monker]

Not sure what post you are referring to. Maybe you should quote it or something. If you still don’t know how to quote properly after years of being on this forum, I can’t help you. Sorry.

Perhaps you should pay closer attention to what is being said in the forum in general....which was more my point. I've been quoting posts since before Al Gore invented the Internet...and there is a time when you don't need to - like when you are speaking to the forum in general and not directly to one person.

And very few posts in the Obama thread were about Obama’s legislative accomplishments. So this is a moot point.

It is not moot. There was never a concious effort to avoid discussing certain subjects in the Obama thread, and Obama never attempted to direct the conversation away from certain subjects.

Most posters have better things to do than celebrate a particular political party or person

That is true...and they are called lurkers. 90% of a forum is comprised of lurkers, believe it or not. If a poster like KC has time to relay everything Sean Hannity says, he has time to post about Trump.

I know you come here to promote the DNC and Hilary,

That is simply not true.

And as already pointed out, you are the reigning king of ad hominem smears.

No, the 'king' (good choice of words there, BTW) is Donald Trump....I am simply emulating him.

Zombie this, zombie that

Pocahantus this FrankenStein that.

Russian this, Russian that.

Don't know what you are talking about, comrade...I never called anybody here a Russian...

You are just a total hypocrite engaging in 'do as I say not as I do'.{/quote]

I already conceded that point and addressed it. Maybe you don't accept it, me emulating Trump. That's not my problem.

99.9999% of your posts are about KC, FF, and other so-called “zombies.” When they return fire, you act shocked that the conversation has turned to you.

Oh, I'm not "shocked" at all. I just proved that I can talk DIRECTLY about Trump. That receives posts of distraction. I point that out. Then the posts turn to attacks against me. Then the conversation is COMPLETELY about me.

Maybe you should have thought of this before gearing the conversation towards others.

Maybe you should open your eyes and realize that I knew exactly what I was doing. I knew EXACTLY how my posts would be received and the content of the replies. I knew this BEFORE I EVEN MADE THE FIRST POST. I knew this because it has happened at least a half dozen times already.

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When facts are presented, all you do is scream “Fox News!”, “conspiracy theory!”, or “Alt right!” and then run away.

Wrong. Let's take Uranium One. KC and I had a back and forth and I answered EVERY post with facts that proved that he was wrong. EVERY ONE OF HIS POINTS. Do you think I am going to go back through this entire conversation every time he INSISTS on believing and posting about this conspiracy? It's a proven conspiracy theory...just because HE doesn't accept the proof doesn't mean it's something else. Just because Hannity doesn't accept it doesn't mean it's something else. Just because Trump doesn't accept it doesn't mean it is something else. Hillary Clinton being responsible for the Uranium One deal is simple fiction.

North Korea has been discussed previously here.

And, Donald Trump's incompetence, Tweeting, and failure at being a deal maker and negotiator has allowed things to escelate to the point where North Korea has the capability of firing a missle at ANY TARGET AROUND THE GLOBE. They are inches away from being able to not just attack the west coast, but New York. And, they won't even talk to us now until they test a hydrogen bomb and are able to load it on their ICBM. THAT is where we stand now and Donald Trump's "crazy old man" antics failed to help the situation - at all. In fact, if it changed at all, it changed for the worse.

Maybe we just don’t want to discuss them with you.

The evidence on the forum shows that nobody wants to discuss the tough issues AT ALL...not with me, not with others who disagree with you, and not with each other. There is NOTHING but the zombie attitude of doing as Trump begs and talkig about Clinton's, Obama, Uranium One, etc.

[Boomchild]

Clinton treason and money laundering, ect would be serious things to most people, just not you.

Those are all conspiracy theories you Trump zombie!!!!

[Boomchild]

It is not moot. There was never a concious effort to avoid discussing certain subjects in the Obama thread, and Obama never attempted to direct the conversation away from certain subjects.

Hmm, I seem to remember right before a general election a fake narrative that a YouTube video was the reason for an embassy attack. I would say that qualifies as an attempt to direct the conversation and attention away from the administration.

[slucero]

It is not moot. There was never a concious effort to avoid discussing certain subjects in the Obama thread, and Obama never attempted to direct the conversation away from certain subjects.

Hmm, I seem to remember right before a general election a fake narrative that a YouTube video was the reason for an embassy attack. I would say that qualifies as an attempt to direct the conversation and attention away from the administration.

[steveo777]

Illegal alien who killed Kate Steinle has been found not guilty by a San Francisco jury. He could have been found guilty of murder, at lease murder two, and at minimum manslaughter. All we got is a guilty on a felon in possession of a firearm. The fucker had multiple felony convictions had had been deported five times! All the media has been concerned with is defending his ethnicity and the liberal jury probably rendered that verdict as a "fuck you" to Trump. Build that fucking wall!