They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[slucero]

This is the same type of crap you would post when you advocated that there was going to be double dip recession, and huge turn in the Obama economy, etc.

The bottom line in all of the below is that the US needs to be a leader. A leader does not look back to old industries like coal and manufacturing. A leader looks to the future and sees alternative industry. The fact is that China is stealing those industries from us. They are the leader right now in things like solar cells because we are looking backwards to coal and oil. "Drill baby drill" is not the future. Our leaders should be supporting companies who innovate, like Tesla, and encouraging more.

You are also a bunch of hypocrites. You talk below about China creating their own trading alliances and effectively removing the US from the competition. But, you also are AGAINST the US creating their own trading alliances via NAFTA or PPP. And, you are FOR starting trade wars with tarries.

LMAO... Your's so full of shit your eyes must be floating... you like flailing around playing checkers so much that you didn't even read what I posted.

My post clearly indicates China is the future... the post also articulates what the US is doing as it is a failing empire.


here's the Atlanta FEDS GDP meter...



Here's historical GDP from the FED



Average looks to be just south of 2.5 annualised. Nearly all economists (liberal and conservative) use 3% as "treading water"....

THe US requires 3% JUST to account for the 100,000 new entrants into the workforce every fucking month. Use that tiny fucking peabrain you have and explain how a sub 3% GDP will account for that fuckbrain. The age demo with the #1 worst employment rate? 16-34. Thats college grads. THe #1 BEST demo? 54 and older. Yup. Boomers.

Remove the FEDS 4 Trillion dollars in accommodation in support of the markets and you'll see about a 40% DROP in the DOW.... you'll see all the currentl;y upside down ecnomic indicators right themselves and start telling the truth about this economy. THe truth that unwinds about 4 Tillion dollars out of the markets and our of you retirement.

We never left the recession you fucking retard. If you knew how to add, you'd have simply subtracted the central bank accomadation propping up the US markets and economy and said so. Here's what it actually LOOKS LIKE.




But your too fucking blind and adled to see that.


China hasn't stolen anything... the US GAVE them to China by not penalising industry for chasing a lower cost of labor... starting with Reagan.

Using your own logic - "Our leaders should be supporting companies who innovate, like CHINA, because China has the most advanced manufacturing in the WORLD"....

TPP itself IS protectioninst, and cedes US sovreignty. EXACTLY what the globalists want. Pull your head out of your ass, and fuck you and anyone like you who thinks that way.


and tarriffs... the USA is getting wholely buttfucked by the rest of the world tarrif-wise...




But you knew that too didn't you moron?



You're a fucking globalist liberal.

So Fuck you.

[Andrew]

dwelling species. He is an unapologetic, Pro-American Capitalist. He cares about what is best for the people of this country

He cares about rich white people and his inbred family. And his wallet. That's it. This whole run was a giant ego trip.

[Andrew]

That's because there are no liberals here. They've all fled this once fine board, running from the onslaught of RWNJs.

That says a lot about "liberals" doesn't it? Maybe they should be questioning their convictions if a difference in opinion is all it takes to make them run away.

Nah, they just got tired of losing arguments.

Maybe they (me included) can see what a waste of time arguing with you lot is.

[steveo777]

THIS POSTER ALTERED THEN QUOTED MY POST! What kind of shit does that?

Agreed. This is bullshit.

I feel the same way about Drew changing our thread title. He wouldn't have done that to the Obama thread. With all due respect, please leave our President threads intact.

BTW, even CNN admitted Trump's approval rating has gone up 11 points, according to THEIR poll. CNN's Van Jones said liberals need to stop freaking out about everything Trump does. Everything, he does, according to them, is armageddon, yet it never is.

We're in a pretty good place now, as a country. Most average blokes are happier with their paychecks. Thank you, President Trump! Eventually, the truth becomes self evident, to where it cannot be denied, except for when one is on mind altering drugs.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Maybe they (me included) can see what a waste of time arguing with you lot is.

I'd love to know who "they" are. Two of this forums most vocal Democratic posters - me and OhSerrie - voted Trump ( as did many Dems in USA). Deano is gone. What other liberals were there? 7Wishes? The political conversations have always skewed heavily Republican.

[The_Noble_Cause]

He cares about rich white people and his inbred family. And his wallet. That's it. This whole run was a giant ego trip.

So if that's true, why did one of America's biggest labor unions (AFL-CIO) just come out and support the steel tariff policy? I guess they are just a bunch of right-wing nutjobs.

[ohsherrie]

You really aren't getting the truth from the media you're seeing and reading.

Yeah, I'm way to stupid to be able to research and read various sources and make up my own mind.

I didn't mean it that way and I'm truly sorry you took it that way.

[ohsherrie]

^
What Slucero posted, and that was some long stuff to quote, absolutely shows how we dodged a massive bullet by not electing Clinton. We had two choices, Trump or Clinton. Those of us who voted for Trump, chose the option that would not sell our country out to the globalists. If that makes us RWNJ's, so be it. We chose to put our country first.

Very well said. We want the Citizens and Sovereignty of this country to come first!

[The_Noble_Cause]

You are also a bunch of hypocrites. You talk below about China creating their own trading alliances and effectively removing the US from the competition. But, you also are AGAINST the US creating their own trading alliances via NAFTA or PPP. And, you are FOR starting trade wars with tarries.

What is the PPP?

If you mean TPP, many on the LEFT were against it because it created corporate extrajudicial tribunals. A shadow legal system that circumvents US state/local law and exposes taxpayers to liability. TPP also didn’t lower trade barriers. All it did was extend copyright/patent protections for the pharmaceutical industry and other major industries. We already had trade deals with the majority of countries in the TPP. There were no barriers to be removed.

Again, not a peep from the liberals on this forum about it (except me). It's almost like you guys only care about dumb bullshit like Russian FB memes of Bernie in a speedo.

[ohsherrie]

Monker, my daughter has been in management at Nationwide for 15 yrs. She has travelled between Des Moines, San Antonio and Columbus while being based in Lynchburg and is now based in Columbus. I know a bit about what's been going on in the company.

However, that's beside the point of what I was saying. The numbers that the Democrats liked to use to make it look like we were having an economic recovery did not reflect the actual condition of our economy. Those are the skewed facts I was referring to. I suppose looking at all of those wind turbines across Iowa is what twisted your perspective.

[verslibre]

BTW, even CNN admitted Trump's approval rating has gone up 11 points, according to THEIR poll.

Link it. This was just posted an hour ago.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-trumps-job-performance-rating-drops/ar-BBKM6Bj?ocid=spartanntp

You OLD FART.

[verslibre]

dwelling species. He is an unapologetic, Pro-American Capitalist. He cares about what is best for the people of this country

He cares about rich white people and his inbred family. And his wallet. That's it. This whole run was a giant ego trip.

Sad but true. The guy's only ever slept on a mattress stuffed with moola. He knows no other way. His concept of getting his hands dirty is reloading a Swingline.

[Monker]

BTW, even CNN admitted Trump's approval rating has gone up 11 points, according to THEIR poll. CNN's Van Jones said liberals need to stop freaking out about everything Trump does. Everything, he does, according to them, is armageddon, yet it never is.

We're in a pretty good place now, as a country. Most average blokes are happier with their paychecks. Thank you, President Trump! Eventually, the truth becomes self evident, to where it cannot be denied, except for when one is on mind altering drugs.

To put this in perspective, Trump is at 43% approval. During his entire two terms, the LOWEST approval rating for Obama was 40 - 42. So, the economy and tax reform has not pushed him into the sunshine, as you describe, it's just kept him from falling off the charts, as W did in his second term...and we are only STARTING to see the real affects of tax reform and tarriffs. It's nice to see $50 or so more a check, but if inflation hits - it erases that increase.

[ohsherrie]

Maybe they (me included) can see what a waste of time arguing with you lot is.

I'd love to know who "they" are. Two of this forums most vocal Democratic posters - me and OhSerrie - voted Trump ( as did many Dems in USA). Deano is gone. What other liberals were there? 7Wishes? The political conversations have always skewed heavily Republican.

Maybe Deano was such a huge presence it seemed like more.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sad but true. The guy's only ever slept on a mattress stuffed with moola. He knows no other way. His concept of getting his hands dirty is reloading a Swingline.

Trump is rich white trash. His private plane is loitered with fast food wrappers from KFC and Burger King. He bangs pornstars because he likes to watch porn. He guest appeared on WWF because he watches WWF. He's pretty much Larry the Cable Guy with a bigger bank account. The attempt to portray him as some out-of-touch silver spoon Brahmin like Bush Sr. won't fly. Feel free to keep whining tho.

[verslibre]

Sad but true. The guy's only ever slept on a mattress stuffed with moola. He knows no other way. His concept of getting his hands dirty is reloading a Swingline.

Trump is rich white trash. His private plane is loitered with fast food wrappers from KFC and Burger King. He bangs pornstars because he likes to watch porn. He guest appeared on WWF because he watches WWF. He's pretty much Larry the Cable Guy with a bigger bank account. The attempt to portray him as some out-of-touch silver spoon Brahmin like Bush Sr. won't fly. Feel free to keep whining tho.

How is what you just said incongruous with what I said? Looks to me like they mesh perfectly. "Rich white trash." With a penthouse abode decked out in gold. Well done, bruh.

[verslibre]

"When President Trump recently visited California, he came away with the sense that it “is totally out of control.” If he arrived at that conclusion from just a single visit, imagine how many who live in the state feel.

Hahaha! You're hilarious. The only thing Trump appeared to accomplish apart from visit the wall prototypes and hit some gathering in Beverly Hills is confine himself to a suite in the priciest skyscraper hotel in DTLA. A Times reporter tried to catch a glimpse of him and barely caught the motorcade back to the airport.

Columnist/author Steve Lopez even wrote on multiple occasions that Trump should venture to Central California to check out the agriculture situation. No dice.

[verslibre]

Maybe they (me included) can see what a waste of time arguing with you lot is.

I'd love to know who "they" are. Two of this forums most vocal Democratic posters - me and OhSerrie - voted Trump ( as did many Dems in USA). Deano is gone. What other liberals were there? 7Wishes? The political conversations have always skewed heavily Republican.

Maybe Deano was such a huge presence it seemed like more.

Seems like this thread has always been populated by posters numbering ten or fewer.

[ohsherrie]

https://www.investors.com/politics/comm ... ry-at-all/

"As recently as Oct. 11, less than a month before the election, the online publication The Hill ran this headline: "Obama's economic legacy ensures Democrats decades of success." No kidding. But it's a bit unfair to single them out: Others have run with similar themes. The point is, it's not true.

The reason Obama's chosen successor, Hillary Clinton, didn't win a third straight presidential term for the Democrats was that they actually seemed to believe their own propaganda, while Middle America didn't. For most Americans, the much-hoped-for recovery has been nonexistent. That's why they voted in droves for Donald Trump in normally Democratic strongholds."

[Monker]

Since you wanted to engage. This is the kind of "leadership" Andrew and Monker think makes America Great.

No, KC this is a complete and utter lie on your part. Please quote a post from any forum where I have stated I am in favor of CA being a "sanctuary state".

You are a liar. If you are going to post this bullshit about people, please ensure you are speaking truth and know what you are talking about.

This is the type of CRAP that Trump zombies do.

And, if you do not like CA, you don't have to live there...which is where I stand on things like banning plastic straws and BS like that. That entire section is LOCAL issues that I have NEVER advocated the passage of.

The ONLY thing I agree on here is that I believe there should be AT LEAST a $3/gallon FEDERAL fuel tax on gasoline and set goals to move us off of gas powered vehicles of all types NATIONWIDE. And, the military should offer contracts to alternative fuel vehicles of all types (planes, trains, and automobiles - that is what I mean) - to encourage reaching those goals. Our dependence on oil/gasoline should be seen as a national security crisis. That has been my opinion since the start of the Iraq war. Good for CA for doing something about it.

[Monker]

However, that's beside the point of what I was saying. The numbers that the Democrats liked to use to make it look like we were having an economic recovery did not reflect the actual condition of our economy. Those are the skewed facts I was referring to. I suppose looking at all of those wind turbines across Iowa is what twisted your perspective.

What "Democrats like to use"? That's just crap.

A recession is two economic quarters where GDP declines. THAT is the (very general) definition of a recession whether you are a Republican or Democrat.

A recovery is looked at when GDP stops declining, unemployment is falling, the markets are rising, and jobs are being created rather than lost.

Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican - those are the indicators of an economy in recovery.

What is truly happening is anti-Obama people have tried to redefine what a recovery actually is - as in the article you posted. They are using completely different indicators than what actually defines a recovery.

I remembver back in the 80's the same arguments were used by Democrats against the Reagan recovery...lower paying jobs were being created. The "real" unemployment number was still high. Underemployment for those who lost their jobs but went back to work. Etc.

The simple fact of the matter is that even if all of those things are true - it does not indicate a recovery did not happen, or is in progress...and it is the same with what is in the article you posted. You can say there are other issues in the economy...and according to this article, it goes back to the 1960's...but that does not mean there was no economic recovery under Obama...saying such is just a flat out lie.

[Monker]

BTW, even CNN admitted Trump's approval rating has gone up 11 points, according to THEIR poll.

Link it. This was just posted an hour ago.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-trumps-job-performance-rating-drops/ar-BBKM6Bj?ocid=spartanntp

You OLD FART.

Actually, there is a link within the article you posted to the CNN poll.

The bottom line is that even 42% is absolutely horrible.

[ohsherrie]

However, that's beside the point of what I was saying. The numbers that the Democrats liked to use to make it look like we were having an economic recovery did not reflect the actual condition of our economy. Those are the skewed facts I was referring to. I suppose looking at all of those wind turbines across Iowa is what twisted your perspective.

What "Democrats like to use"? That's just crap.

A recession is two economic quarters where GDP declines. THAT is the (very general) definition of a recession whether you are a Republican or Democrat.

A recovery is looked at when GDP stops declining, unemployment is falling, the markets are rising, and jobs are being created rather than lost.

Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican - those are the indicators of an economy in recovery.

What is truly happening is anti-Obama people have tried to redefine what a recovery actually is - as in the article you posted. They are using completely different indicators than what actually defines a recovery.

I remembver back in the 80's the same arguments were used by Democrats against the Reagan recovery...lower paying jobs were being created. The "real" unemployment number was still high. Underemployment for those who lost their jobs but went back to work. Etc.

The simple fact of the matter is that even if all of those things are true - it does not indicate a recovery did not happen, or is in progress...and it is the same with what is in the article you posted. You can say there are other issues in the economy...and according to this article, it goes back to the 1960's...but that does not mean there was no economic recovery under Obama...saying such is just a flat out lie.

If you need so badly to believe that Monker I'll let you. You obviously can't help it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How is what you just said incongruous with what I said? Looks to me like they mesh perfectly. "Rich white trash." With a penthouse abode decked out in gold. Well done, bruh.

No. You and Drew are saying his wealth makes him incapable of relating to the rest of America. I'm saying he's a redneck in a suit.

[verslibre]

How is what you just said incongruous with what I said? Looks to me like they mesh perfectly. "Rich white trash." With a penthouse abode decked out in gold. Well done, bruh.

No. You and Drew are saying his wealth makes him incapable of relating to the rest of America. I'm saying he's a redneck in a suit.

d) All of the above.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How is what you just said incongruous with what I said? Looks to me like they mesh perfectly. "Rich white trash." With a penthouse abode decked out in gold. Well done, bruh.

No. You and Drew are saying his wealth makes him incapable of relating to the rest of America. I'm saying he's a redneck in a suit.

d) All of the above.

Sounds like you don't know what you're saying. Maybe you should go back to playing with action figures. Trump, to his credit, has leveraged his persona of blue-collar billionaire to great effect. If he wanted to appease only the fat cat donors, he wouldn't be making waves on things like trade.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Some members from the very beginning of the Obama thread, Jan. 2009.

stevew2
Michigan Girl
Tomulator
finalflight
bluejeangirl76
Onestepper
Luvsaugeri
LLL
Rhiannon
Lula
Rick
Tragchick
AlteredDNA
Jana
Don
Uno_up
RobbieG
Rockindeano
Gin and Tonic Sky
Barb
Ehwmatt
RossValoryRocks
NealIsGod
StevePerryHair
G.I.Jim
jrnychick
brywool
artist4perry
treetopovskaya
Ftloperry

Thanks. Pretty sure these guys were right wing.

Barb
Ehwmatt
RossValoryRocks
NealIsGod
G.I.Jim

[steveo777]

Some members from the very beginning of the Obama thread, Jan. 2009.

stevew2
Michigan Girl
Tomulator
finalflight
bluejeangirl76
Onestepper
Luvsaugeri
LLL
Rhiannon
Lula
Rick
Tragchick
AlteredDNA
Jana
Don
Uno_up
RobbieG
Rockindeano
Gin and Tonic Sky
Barb
Ehwmatt
RossValoryRocks
NealIsGod
StevePerryHair
G.I.Jim
jrnychick
brywool
artist4perry
treetopovskaya
Ftloperry

Thanks. Pretty sure these guys were right wing.

Barb
Ehwmatt
RossValoryRocks
NealIsGod
G.I.Jim

He called me the night of the presidential election and was very happy.

BTW, I find it to be a stretch for anyone to believe members have run off from here because of a POTUS thread. I'm sure everyone has their reasons for leaving, but one political thread wouldn't do it. Maybe they just got bored and lost interest.

[verslibre]

Sounds like you don't know what you're saying. Maybe you should go back to playing with action figures. Trump, to his credit, has leveraged his persona of blue-collar billionaire to great effect. If he wanted to appease only the fat cat donors, he wouldn't be making waves on things like trade.

I'll buy some when you pay up on the Cavill/PRU bets.

P.S. "Blue-collar billionaire" is an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

[Monker]

I was refering to the liberal horse shit inflicted on peoples lives from their progressive leaders that you and Andrew "think" make america great. Once again Monker, sorry I can't draw it in crayon for you. I am glad to see you fake offense to these stupid policies. Now, go buy a small soda.

Your head is still stuck up your ass. I am no more likely to support Jerry Brown than I am to support a socialist like Bernie Sanders. You are wrong. That is FAR too Liberal for me.

There re many people there held hostage by Big City Morons. California is a liberal joke, and people are fleeing it.

Good for them. It's their choice. But, you are an asshole for explicitly saying that I support such policies or the politicians that support them. I have never done such a thing.

By the way, I don't live there.

Then your voice against it means absolutely nothing because you can't vote for or against these people. Why don't you worry and bitch about your own state and local politics and let Californians decide what is best for them. That is THEIR right and you can't do a damn thing about it.

I'm very close to you though. About a 4 hour drive or so. Feel like California outside? Do watch out for those plastic straws. They might kill someone. Lets ban those too. Oh, they did.

WTF are you talking about? A 4hr drive from me? So what, what difference does that make?

I don't care if they ban straws, Styrofoam cups, soda, and fast food. It's THEIR business, not mine. Why do you insist of bitching about things that have NOTHING to do with YOU and your life? Get over yourself already.