They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Boomchild]

Can I use this elsewhere Boomchild?

I assume so, I'm not the original source.

[Monker]

But there are jobs out there Boomchild. I just had a new roof put on my house and three of the four man crew members were green card carriers. The well-to-do contractor had two other crews just like them.

Of course they are. Have you ever talked to a contractor and asked why they hire Mexicans? It is because they work for half the price, do not ask for benefits, and work twice as hard. That is what a contractor told me. If you find a roofer who has a 100% USA crew, you'll be paying twice as much...and/or the contractor will hardly be making any money.

Farmers all over this area bring in crews of Mexicans to harvest their crops. Landscaping crews all over the country are either illegals or on green work cards. Those are jobs that should made available to people living on the state before they are given to an immigrant worker

Oh, please. They ARE available...as you proved by saying one of your crew was an American. They hire Mexicans because: They are VERY cheap labor and do not require benefits. So, Mexicans under cut them...and these are generaly jobs that Americans DO NOT WANT anyway. If you want to hire Americans first, be prepared to spend twice as much for your roof and twice as much at the grocery store.

and those people should be required to take them or have their benefits denied.

We already did that, it was called slavery.

State Human Services should work hand in hand with Employment Services and whatever agency employs immigrant workers to assure that available non-skilled labor, as well as any the people may have the skills to do, are filled by non-working Americans before employing immigrants.

That is government regulation of business. If Americans want to do roofing and farming, etc, they need to accept being paid $10/hr with no benefits...and in the case of farming, required overtime and working in possible extreme weather.

If there is a child care problem prohibiting the person from working child care could be provided for a certain amount of time until the parent is able to make other arrangements. If the person needs some training that could be paid for. There are ways to do this by simply modifying pecedures in systems and agencies we already have.

The country would be better off doing what you say here but training them with a trade skill: welder, electrician, etc. These are also service jobs that have many unfilled openings - openings that unskilled migrant workers CAN'T fill...and the pay is EXCELLENT.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Kurt Eichenwald, one of the biggest pushers of Bernie bashing and Russian bot nonsense, harassed a Parkland survivor. As a result, he has been disavowed by Vanity Fair and MSNBC. This comes on top of him being fired by Newsweek after being sued for making shit up about Sputnik/Russia. This is the guy that was invited on all sorts of MSM shows to talk about Trump-Russia collusion. It was apparent from the start that he was a serial fabulist with mental issues. Good riddance.

[verslibre]

But there are jobs out there Boomchild. I just had a new roof put on my house and three of the four man crew members were green card carriers. The well-to-do contractor had two other crews just like them.

Of course they are. Have you ever talked to a contractor and asked why they hire Mexicans? It is because they work for half the price, do not ask for benefits, and work twice as hard. That is what a contractor told me. If you find a roofer who has a 100% USA crew, you'll be paying twice as much...and/or the contractor will hardly be making any money.

Exactly. Notice she added "well-to-do." That's all that should concern her. The reason he's well off is his work force. But those workers are supposedly stealing bennies that could go to good ol' corn-fed Amurricans! Notice she didn't cancel the work, either.

Farmers all over this area bring in crews of Mexicans to harvest their crops. Landscaping crews all over the country are either illegals or on green work cards. Those are jobs that should made available to people living on the state before they are given to an immigrant worker

Oh, please. They ARE available...as you proved by saying one of your crew was an American. They hire Mexicans because: They are VERY cheap labor and do not require benefits. So, Mexicans under cut them...and these are generaly jobs that Americans DO NOT WANT anyway. If you want to hire Americans first, be prepared to spend twice as much for your roof and twice as much at the grocery store.

Exactly. Produce costs what it does because of the people who are bent over all day long, in the elements, picking that food to be put on the truck. People who bitch hard enough had better be prepared to enjoy $5 individual broccoli crowns. What, that doesn't sound tempting? One fiver for a floret?

and those people should be required to take them or have their benefits denied.

We already did that, it was called slavery.

Freedom of choice? WTF is that?

State Human Services should work hand in hand with Employment Services and whatever agency employs immigrant workers to assure that available non-skilled labor, as well as any the people may have the skills to do, are filled by non-working Americans before employing immigrants.

That is government regulation of business. If Americans want to do roofing and farming, etc, they need to accept being paid $10/hr with no benefits...and in the case of farming, required overtime and working in possible extreme weather.

Show me a phone-gazing millennial willing to do any of that and I'll scratch off a winning lottery ticket for you.

If there is a child care problem prohibiting the person from working child care could be provided for a certain amount of time until the parent is able to make other arrangements. If the person needs some training that could be paid for. There are ways to do this by simply modifying pecedures in systems and agencies we already have.

The country would be better off doing what you say here but training them with a trade skill: welder, electrician, etc. These are also service jobs that have many unfilled openings - openings that unskilled migrant workers CAN'T fill...and the pay is EXCELLENT.

Some of them do excel as welders and iron workers. I've known a few myself and retained their services. Except they're now naturalized (so Sherrie can't complain).

[Andrew]

This guy is the worst cartoonist and least funny RWNJ I've ever had the misfortune to witness.

[steveo777]

This guy is the worst cartoonist and least funny RWNJ I've ever had the misfortune to witness.

Let's see some of your cartoons, you cartoon expert you.

I care more about the point, which is accurate, than the quality of the cartoon. Idiot, condom snorting, Tide pod eating uber morons, trying to alter our constitutional rights. LMAO!

[verslibre]

I care more about the point, which is accurate, than the quality of the cartoon. Idiot, condom snorting, Tide pod eating uber morons, trying to alter our constitutional rights. LMAO!

The hair's totally wrong, though. But in this case, it IS funny because of the resemblance to Dickhead Spencer.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I care more about the point, which is accurate, than the quality of the cartoon. Idiot, condom snorting, Tide pod eating uber morons, trying to alter our constitutional rights. LMAO!

I sent it to a bunch of friends. I thought it was a great cartoon. I admire these kids for becoming political, but I have no idea what they are protesting. I doubt they know either.

[ohsherrie]

Monker, I'm not going to get into a discussion on "business regulations". That's not my point. We need to get people out of this welfare cycle and off the streets. They should be doing something productive to help build this country's economy rather than picking up welfare checks and joining gangs. I have no problem with them getting some technical training during their off hours, just like millions of working Americans have completed their educations and gone into better jobs. Give plumbing, welding and electrical contractors tax breaks to hire and train these people. Whatever it takes, but fill American jobs with American citizens before bringing in immigrant workers.

Requiring people to work for a living instead of sponging off of the tax payers is not slavery. American workers did those kind of jobs to build America. Is there more shame in hard work than in walking the streets and drawing a welfare check? Ten dollars an hour is $20,000/year. The federal poverty level is currently $12,140 for an individual and $16,460 for a family of 2. If they need supplemental assistance to get their income up to minimum wage, preferably in the form of a food stamp type of program with tight restrictions on what can be purchased with them, and of course they will still qualify for Medicaid, that is still better than paying them to hang around the projects or the streets.

Making people work for a living and then for a better living breaks the cycle and starts building self esteem along with the self reliance. The welfare cycle is like a disease that is infesting this country and we need to eradicate it not breed more of it by bringing in more people to spread it.

[ohsherrie]

Kurt Eichenwald, one of the biggest pushers of Bernie bashing and Russian bot nonsense, harassed a Parkland survivor. As a result, he has been disavowed by Vanity Fair and MSNBC. This comes on top of him being fired by Newsweek after being sued for making shit up about Sputnik/Russia. This is the guy that was invited on all sorts of MSM shows to talk about Trump-Russia collusion. It was apparent from the start that he was a serial fabulist with mental issues. Good riddance.

I saw some video of him. I believe it was from Morning Joe. He sounded like a complete phony out looking to capitalize on the bash Trump train.

The kid he harassed, Kyle Kashuv, is the Anti-Hogg. He seems to be a good kid with a lot of common sense.

[Boomchild]

Monker, I'm not going to get into a discussion on "business regulations". That's not my point. We need to get people out of this welfare cycle and off the streets. They should be doing something productive to help build this country's economy rather than picking up welfare checks and joining gangs. I have no problem with them getting some technical training during their off hours, just like millions of working Americans have completed their educations and gone into better jobs. Give plumbing, welding and electrical contractors tax breaks to hire and train these people. Whatever it takes, but fill American jobs with American citizens before bringing in immigrant workers.

Requiring people to work for a living instead of sponging off of the tax payers is not slavery. American workers did those kind of jobs to build America. Is there more shame in hard work than in walking the streets and drawing a welfare check? Ten dollars an hour is $20,000/year. The federal poverty level is currently $12,140 for an individual and $16,460 for a family of 2. If they need supplemental assistance to get their income up to minimum wage, preferably in the form of a food stamp type of program with tight restrictions on what can be purchased with them, and of course they will still qualify for Medicaid, that is still better than paying them to hang around the projects or the streets.

Making people work for a living and then for a better living breaks the cycle and starts building self esteem along with the self reliance. The welfare cycle is like a disease that is infesting this country and we need to eradicate it not breed more of it by bringing in more people to spread it.

Well said.

[conversationpc]

This guy is the worst cartoonist and least funny RWNJ I've ever had the misfortune to witness.

Let's see some of your cartoons, you cartoon expert you.

I care more about the point, which is accurate, than the quality of the cartoon. Idiot, condom snorting, Tide pod eating uber morons, trying to alter our constitutional rights. LMAO!

The quality of the cartoon here is really not much worse, if any, than most other political cartoons of this type.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The quality of the cartoon here is really not much worse, if any, than most other political cartoons of this type.

His style reminds me a lot of Far Side by Gary Larson.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I saw some video of him. I believe it was from Morning Joe. He sounded like a complete phony out looking to capitalize on the bash Trump train.

The kid he harassed, Kyle Kashuv, is the Anti-Hogg. He seems to be a good kid with a lot of common sense.

This televised interview was pretty hilarious. This guy's debating style is actually quite similar to Monker.


https://youtu.be/LANAXkHYAiA

[ohsherrie]

I care more about the point, which is accurate, than the quality of the cartoon. Idiot, condom snorting, Tide pod eating uber morons, trying to alter our constitutional rights. LMAO!

I sent it to a bunch of friends. I thought it was a great cartoon. I admire these kids for becoming political, but I have no idea what they are protesting. I doubt they know either.

That's the problem, most of them just thought it was a field trip where they got to spout off about something they really don't understand. It would have been a much better idea to make them read the constitution, have it "taught" to them in a non-politcal way, them let them form an educated opinion. Instead they were just recruited to make somebody's political point.

[verslibre]

Monker, I'm not going to get into a discussion on "business regulations". That's not my point. We need to get people out of this welfare cycle and off the streets. They should be doing something productive to help build this country's economy rather than picking up welfare checks and joining gangs. I have no problem with them getting some technical training during their off hours, just like millions of working Americans have completed their educations and gone into better jobs. Give plumbing, welding and electrical contractors tax breaks to hire and train these people. Whatever it takes, but fill American jobs with American citizens before bringing in immigrant workers.

Your hiring that contractor obviously had a lot to do with his price.

[verslibre]

LOL!

https://twitter.com/Trumptweets2020/status/981915140550483969

[The_Noble_Cause]

LOL!

https://twitter.com/Trumptweets2020/status/981915140550483969

Didn't laugh at all. Y'know, I know plenty of people who voted Trump. None are white nationalists. Some are dyed in the wool Democrats. They all think Hillary is one corrupt bitch tho!

[verslibre]

LOL!

https://twitter.com/Trumptweets2020/status/981915140550483969

Didn't laugh at all. Y'know, I know plenty of people who voted Trump. None are white nationalists. Some are dyed in the wool Democrats. They all think Hillary is one corrupt bitch tho!

Hillary sucks, dude. That's why they voted for the alternative. She shouldn't have bothered. No surprise why Obama won twice.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hillary sucks, dude. That's why they voted for the alternative. She shouldn't have bothered. No surprise why Obama won twice.

Correct. So my point, (if I have one and I really don't), is that Trump's base isn't white nationalists. That's bullshit. You can't win a major race on the fringes.

[verslibre]

It's a parody account. Feel free to tweet him back and tell him his joke sucks.

[Monker]

We need to get people out of this welfare cycle and off the streets. They should be doing something productive to help build this country's economy rather than picking up welfare checks and joining gangs. I have no problem with them getting some technical training during their off hours, just like millions of working Americans have completed their educations and gone into better jobs. Give plumbing, welding and electrical contractors tax breaks to hire and train these people. Whatever it takes, but fill American jobs with American citizens before bringing in immigrant workers.

As soon as you say, "before bringing in immigrant workers," you are regulating businesses and telling them who they can and can not hire. IMO, that shows you trying to force a solution that nobody wants to do. It forces employers to hire people they don't want to hire, and forces people to work where they don't want to work. I simply do not see this as a solution to anything, and causing other issues.

Requiring people to work for a living instead of sponging off of the tax payers is not slavery.

Forcing somebody to work in a job they do not want to go to is akin to slavery. They do not want to be there. And, they are in extreme conditions, with low pay. In the case of picking crops, that IS one activity slaves did.

Instead of this, I would rather see them required to do voluntary community service, be a full time student, or join the national guard part-time. These things seem appropriate...not forcing them to back breaking labor such as roofing or working in a farmer's field.

American workers did those kind of jobs to build America.

Are you sure about that, especially farming? When did slavery end and migrant workers begin...and were they happening at the same time? Also, corporate farming is much, much more common today than it once was...Sure, roofing, probably...but, as I said, cost will go up if Americans take it over.

Is there more shame in hard work than in walking the streets and drawing a welfare check? Ten dollars an hour is $20,000/year. The federal poverty level is currently $12,140 for an individual and $16,460 for a family of 2.

Do you really think you can live on 12k/yr and not be walking the streets yourself? There is a reason why people are pushing for $15/hr minimum wage.

[ohsherrie]

Monker you're just tiresome. You left out a good portion of my post and I think most of what you said is so stupid that I'm not going to waste time responding to it.

I will say one thing. If all people could just sponge off the government until they find a job that they think is worthy of their time I'd have held out for my singing career.

[Monker]

Monker you're just tiresome. You left out a good portion of my post and I think most of what you said is so stupid that I'm not going to waste time responding to it.

So, you think it's stupid to argue that forcing an employer to hire people he doesn't want, and forcing a person to work at that job that he has no interest in, that this is a bad idea opening up other issues? How does a company deal with employees that don't give a damn if they are there or not? Fire them and hire someone else who feels the exact same way? I believe it is fundamental that an employer have the choice of who he (legaly) hires and an employee has a choice of where he works...and you think that's stupid.

You think it's stupid to point out that 12k/yr is WAY to low to draw the poverty line. 25k/yr is probably too low. However the government calculates that number needs to be adjusted.

You think it's stupid to suggest as an alternative to working at these "migrant worker" type jobs, telling people that want government assistance that they are required to do one (or more) of these things:

Volunteer for community service.
Be a full time student.
Join the national guard.
And, I'll add have a full time job wherever the person chooses, and earn less than "whatever" amount...but it should be more than 12k/yr.

And, finally, you think it's stupid to question WHEN these jobs, especially farming, were filled by people other than migrant workers/Mexicans or slaves, You say these people built America? Maybe you are trying to say that slaves and immigrants built America? I bet if you go back in time and really research, you'll find these crappy jobs were almost always held by slaves or immigrants...if not Mexicans, than Chinese, or Irish, or whatever the latest group was running from povery or famine or other hardhships in their former country.

[ohsherrie]

Monker you're just tiresome. You left out a good portion of my post and I think most of what you said is so stupid that I'm not going to waste time responding to it.

So, you think it's stupid to argue that forcing an employer to hire people he doesn't want, and forcing a person to work at that job that he has no interest in, that this is a bad idea opening up other issues? How does a company deal with employees that don't give a damn if they are there or not? Fire them and hire someone else who feels the exact same way? I believe it is fundamental that an employer have the choice of who he (legaly) hires and an employee has a choice of where he works...and you think that's stupid.

Monker are you really so naive that you think most of the working people n this country make $30/hr or more and are happy in their jobs? If so, let me assure you that is not the case. Employers who hire people for minimum wage don't care that the person didn't dream of a career flipping burgers or stocking shelves, picking produce or laying shingles as long as they show up and do the job.

You think it's stupid to point out that 12k/yr is WAY to low to draw the poverty line. 25k/yr is probably too low. However the government calculates that number needs to be adjusted.

What I said was we could supplement their pay with food (not to include candy, potato chips and soft drinks) and. Medicaid but they NEED TO EARN their money. The point is to get people to realize that NOBODY deserves a free ride.

You think it's stupid to suggest as an alternative to working at these "migrant worker" type jobs, telling people that want government assistance that they are required to do one (or more) of these things:

Volunteer for community service.
Be a full time student.
Join the national guard.

I know a lot of minimum wage workers who would probably like a deal like that if they weren't raised by American working people to believe you should work for a living. Many of them are taking classes at community colleges on financial aid programs of various sorts to better their prospects. Are these people above doing that same thing? The point is to break the cycle of welfare buy requiring that they work for an employer to whom they must answer, and through work make them self-reliant. Make them producers of the ecomony not a drain on it. It won't be easy for them, but it isn't easy for any kid who comes out of high school in a family who can't afford college but aren't quite poor enough to qualify for financial aid. What jobs do you think they get until they can work their way up to better?

And, finally, you think it's stupid to question WHEN these jobs, especially farming, were filled by people other than migrant workers/Mexicans or slaves, You say these people built America? Maybe you are trying to say that slaves and immigrants built America? I bet if you go back in time and really research, you'll find these crappy jobs were almost always held by slaves or immigrants...if not Mexicans, than Chinese, or Irish, or whatever the latest group was running from povery or famine or other hardhships in their former country.

I have to ask again if you're really that naive or have you been reading revisionist history? My grandparents were farmers in Iowa and my mother, aunt, and uncles picked the produce for sale to canneries and markets in Council Bluffs and Glenwood. My father worked as a maintenance worker on farms in Iowa. They weren't too good for that work. They never asked for a government handout. I have a younger cousin who started working as a farm hand in high school and after graduating stayed on doing the job because he liked it. He took night and Internet classes and is now making a good living doing on that farm. Do you think hard work has no dignity.

When I talk about building America I'm not necessarily talking about the physical construction, but many immigrants who were here to become Americans, not just here illegally or on a work visas, did a lot of that. I'm talking about building the American work ethic which built the grass roots American economy and became the backbone of America (or did you think they all worked on Wall Street ?)

[ohsherrie]

I saw some video of him. I believe it was from Morning Joe. He sounded like a complete phony out looking to capitalize on the bash Trump train.

The kid he harassed, Kyle Kashuv, is the Anti-Hogg. He seems to be a good kid with a lot of common sense.

This televised interview was pretty hilarious. This guy's debating style is actually quite similar to Monker.


https://youtu.be/LANAXkHYAiA

I think he's infuriating and yes, like Monker.

[steveo777]

I have to ask again if you're really that naive or have you been reading revisionist history? My grandparents were farmers in Iowa and my mother, aunt, and uncles picked the produce for sale to canneries and markets in Council Bluffs and Glenwood. My father worked as a maintenance worker on farms in Iowa. They weren't too good for that work. They never asked for a government handout. I have a younger cousin who started working as a farm hand in high school and after graduating stayed on doing the job because he liked it. He took night and Internet classes and is now making a good living doing on that farm. Do you think hard work has no dignity.

ohsherrie, what you posted is something very near and dear to my heart. You see, my great grandparents were Dutch immigrants from Amsterdam. They farmed land in Iowa and we owned a general store in the town of Fifefield, which ended up giving way to a dam that flooded the region and thousands of acres of fertile farm land was lost forever. Fortunately, my grandfather left us his autobiography, which gave us a great deal of insight about his parents and his life growing up there. For years I had relatives in Council Bluffs and Omaha, where I was born. They're all gone now.

[ohsherrie]

I have to ask again if you're really that naive or have you been reading revisionist history? My grandparents were farmers in Iowa and my mother, aunt, and uncles picked the produce for sale to canneries and markets in Council Bluffs and Glenwood. My father worked as a maintenance worker on farms in Iowa. They weren't too good for that work. They never asked for a government handout. I have a younger cousin who started working as a farm hand in high school and after graduating stayed on doing the job because he liked it. He took night and Internet classes and is now making a good living doing on that farm. Do you think hard work has no dignity.

ohsherrie, what you posted is something very near and dear to my heart. You see, my great grandparents were Dutch immigrants from Amsterdam. They farmed land in Iowa and we owned a general store in the town of Fifefield, which ended up giving way to a dam that flooded the region and thousands of acres of fertile farm land was lost forever. Fortunately, my grandfather left us his autobiography, which gave us a great deal of insight about his parents and his life growing up there. For years I had relatives in Council Bluffs and Omaha, where I was born.

I've heard stories of that flood Steve. My grandfather opened "The Railroad Cafe" right across from the depot in Pacific Junction, IA. My Mom managed it for him and cooked there when I was young. And you know what? He never had a small business loan to pay off. He bought the land with money from selling his farm and he, my uncles and my Dad built the building. People worked in that cafe just like they did on his farm, for "the going wage". Nobody got rich but they all lived good lives. When I turned 15 my first summer job was waiting tables in that same restaurant. We were raised to work, not to wait for somebody to give us a handout. Of course that depot and the restaurant are gone now, but the people in that part of Iowa still have the same common sense, down to earth way of life and are proud to work for it.

[ohsherrie]

He's been pouring money into State and city elections. State Senators, Mayors,ect.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/04 ... us-border/

Willamette Week is reporting(link is external) that Governor Kate Brown has accepted “an unprecedented” campaign check from George Soros, a billionaire left-wing hedge-fund manager and campaign donor who resides in New York. This is Soros’ “first direct involvement” in Oregon.

“Kate Brown has consistently ignored problems facing everyday Oregonians and has instead used the office of Governor to make herself a national left-wing celebrity. Now, Brown is cashing in and taking big campaign donations from notorious leftist puppet master, billionaire George Soros,” stated Oregon Republican Chairman Bill Currier.

“We need a Governor who tackles crime, faltering state agencies, and the PERS pension crisis, and a leader who will rescue our bottom performing K-12 schools and stop the out-of-control spending and endless tax increases,” added Currier. “Kate Brown is more interested in wooing George Soros and the out-of-state, leftist, super-rich donor class than truly confronting the serious problems at home. Now we know who she really works for.”

Three days later CNN reported –

Oregon’s governor says that if President Donald Trump asks to dispatch members of her state’s National Guard to the US southern border, she’ll “say no.”

[Boomchild]

I have to ask again if you're really that naive or have you been reading revisionist history? My grandparents were farmers in Iowa and my mother, aunt, and uncles picked the produce for sale to canneries and markets in Council Bluffs and Glenwood. My father worked as a maintenance worker on farms in Iowa. They weren't too good for that work. They never asked for a government handout. I have a younger cousin who started working as a farm hand in high school and after graduating stayed on doing the job because he liked it. He took night and Internet classes and is now making a good living doing on that farm. Do you think hard work has no dignity.

When I talk about building America I'm not necessarily talking about the physical construction, but many immigrants who were here to become Americans, not just here illegally or on a work visas, did a lot of that. I'm talking about building the American work ethic which built the grass roots American economy and became the backbone of America (or did you think they all worked on Wall Street ?)

Since the subject has been brought up that in the past most farming work was performed by slaves, there is this information on it.

Less than 5% of the whites in the South owned slaves. Fully 3/4's of the white people of the South had neither slaves nor an immediate economic interest in the maintenance of slavery or the plantation system.

This was written by none other than the late John Hope Franklin in From Slavery to Freedom, McGraw-Hill, 1994., p. 123. Franklin was a Harvard educated Professor Emeritus of History and Professor of Legal History at Duke University. Dr. Franklin also happened to be a Black man.

It seems to me the argument being made here is coming from the position of entitlement. That people should only have to work at jobs they really want to do and if that is not possible then they should be entitled to public assistance. Also, people like to mention how this country was built by a nation of immigrants. That is true. The immigrants back then came here and worked jobs they could obtain. They worked said jobs till better opportunities came along for them. Some used it as stepping stone to enable them to start their own businesses. They didn't migrate to America expecting the government nor a private citizen to support them.