President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[RossValoryRocks]

Come on, Stu. This is bullshit.

to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any
political activity or for the support of or opposition to any
candidate or any political party

There is no evidence whatsoever, nor can it be assumed, that this was the premise of the offer to Sestak.

Are you fucking high? NO EVIDENCE? They ADMITTED IT...Sestak said so...the Administration said so...are you willfully being a dolt?

I thought you were MUCH smater than this...

[7 Wishes]

The joke is that you can't see past your politics and what BOTH sides are doing...BOTH OF THEM...you a blind fool...go take your muscle building supplements dude...to bad you don't pay attention to your brain building ones as well.

You know, Stu...I don't even drink protein shakes, let alone supplements. It's my job to help people, train them, and stay fit myself. It's really fucking insulting when you post this kind of crap. Stop making it personal. We're past that.

[RossValoryRocks]

The joke is that you can't see past your politics and what BOTH sides are doing...BOTH OF THEM...you a blind fool...go take your muscle building supplements dude...to bad you don't pay attention to your brain building ones as well.

You know, Stu...I don't even drink protein shakes, let alone supplements. It's my job to help people, train them, and stay fit myself. It's really fucking insulting when you post this kind of crap. Stop making it personal. We're past that.

You call us hypocrits and worse because we DARE to question the almighty Obama, and you tell ME not to get personal?

And again...you ignore the questions.

Here's my final one of the night: Are you so hell bent on living in the past with all you Bush II, Bush I, Regan, Ford and Nixon hating rants that you cannot see the issues of the day?

My God man...Obama has broken almost EVERY campaign promise he made. And the ones he has fullfilled are going to fuck this country WORSE than what EVERY Republican president EVER did. He has Rahm the Dead Fish running is administration, that should tell you all you need to know. The man (Rahm, not the President) is slime. The problem is when you play with slime you get covered in it.

The Administration, or members of it at least, broke the law with the offer to Sestak...period...the law is quite unambiguous...and they ADMIT they made the offer, so does Sestak.

And yet your defense of them is: The Republicans did it! How 3rd grade.

You have learned very well the liberal pardigm of smear everyone who disagrees with you...you are smarter than that, or at least I thought you were.

Oh and by the way...supplements are just fine for you, the right ones anways. I was pointing out rather than feeding your body, feed your brain, on something other than the liberal tripe you cut and paste. Oh and as for being a hypocrit, you are as big a hypocrit as anyone here, more so because you excuse your behavior by saying well "they do it" so I will to rather than looking to objective TRUTH...not politicians and thier collective bullshit for your answers.

[7 Wishes]

I don't cut and paste, Stu, with a few exceptions. My thoughts are my own.

There's no point in going back and forth on this issue. We won't ever see eye to eye on this...not even close.

I'm going to bed, and moving along. Hope you're well.

[verslibre]

[donnaplease]

It's hypocritical for both parties to openly violate the law... and then say "well the other guys are doing it too"...

Call it whatever you want.. BOTH sides do it and its still illegal... It still doesn't mean they should get a pass..

I want my Congress to serve the People... instead of being self-serving...

All that "Change" we voted for needs to start sometime... Now is as good a time as any... and it would look GOOD on Obama if he actually fired somebody for doing this, and tell the public exactly why... instead of letting his legal team do what every other administration (Dem and Rep) does... try to legally deny and justify it...

If we lose a few self-serving Dems AND Reps along the way, and get some public servants in their place.. .I'm all for it.

"In the Fall, fire 'em all"

AMEN!

[ohsherrie]

I love this shit. With all the obvious, Constitution-be-damned lying and manipulation the GOP has specialized in for 35 years, THIS is the issue that triggers their collective conscience.

NOT the illegal arms-for-hostages deal (and you know damned well Reagan knew what was going on, as did Bush Sr.)...nor the illegal war Dubbya started...all the criminal activity of the previous Administration (including formulating energy policy behind closed doors, illegally, with the OIL INDUSTRY)...and THIS is what brings you to arms? What a joke.

Yeah, it's a real pip 7.


"From: http://www.BrasscheckTV.com Were you ever curious about why Karl Rove resigned so suddenly? Alberto Gonzales, Bush buddy and Attorney General who made torture as American as apple pie, resigned around the same time. The two events may be connected. You see, Mr. Rove appears to have been involved in a felony called election fraud. And to pull it off, he may have had help from Alberto Gonzalez. Remember all those federal prosectutors who Gonzales fired and replaced with Bush-friendly crooks? You know why removing them was so important? They were standing in the way of Rove's scheme. When this news broke it was on the front page of every newspaper in the world - except in the United States. From a talk by investigative reporter Greg Palast. Go to BrasscheckTV for more highly censored news: http://www.BrasscheckTV.comOh, and you forgot to mention this little rethug gem: http://revcom.us/a/firstvol/885/cia3.htm"[/i]


Oh, and lest we forget:

"In 1981, Ronald Reagan appointed William Casey to be the head of the CIA. Over the next years, the Agency greatly expanded its covert activities. One of them was a whole secret war. Former officers of the hated National Guard of Nicaragua's deposed dictator Somoza were hired by the CIA to attack Nicaragua. These were the so-called contras (short for counter-revolutionaries).

In 1982, Casey authorized "Black Eagle"--a secret operation to fund and supply the contras. Casey's plan was to develop a "private" network large enough to secretly arm, finance, and command a whole war--without openly involving official U.S. military forces or intelligence agencies. They called it "The Enterprise"--and it was riddled with "former" CIA officers and agents.

To fund the Enterprise, Casey and his representatives contacted governments closely tied to U.S. imperialism, including the Israelis, Argentinians, the Sultan of Brunei, the Saudi monarchy, and the various CIA-dominated militaries of Central America. In exchange for all kinds of favors, these governments contributed arms, money, and trainers to the Enterprise. This whole operation was exposed during the Iran-contra scandal. But what was covered up during the Iran-contra hearings was that the Enterprise also relied heavily on drug-smuggling operations. The CIA offered large-scale drug smugglers a simple deal: It would prevent U.S. drug and customs agencies from disrupting their cocaine traffic, if these traffickers would airlift and finance the flow of arms to the contras. It was "an offer you can't refuse" from the big godfathers in Washington--the CIA calls such deals "ticket punching."


But we're supposed to be outraged that Obama may have offered a guy a job to keep him from running for office. Whoopt-frickin'-do.

[Lula]

maybe if there were not an environmental catastrophy, two occupations/conflicts, and economic disaster i'd care, but in the big picture- who gives a fuck, really?

[Rockindeano]

maybe if there were not an environmental catastrophy, two occupations/conflicts, and economic disaster i'd care, but in the big picture- who gives a fuck, really?

The republicans don't give two shits about an oil spill- that's their baby. They're in bed with oil, and will never ever condemn BP on this thing. Big deal, a couple hundred niggers are out of work in the Gulf? Throw em a bone or two. It will eventually go away, right? Drill baby drill, right Sarah? It's just a fuckin beach, a 500 mile long strand, no biggie.

However, what the administration and Sestak did was bullshit and they should be called on it. A law is a law.

[ohsherrie]

maybe if there were not an environmental catastrophy, two occupations/conflicts, and economic disaster i'd care, but in the big picture- who gives a fuck, really?

Oh but Lula, we're supposed to forget the shit that Bush left for Obama to clean up and pretend that everything is Obama's fault. We're not supposed to bring up Bush's name because Obama is the president.

Actually the change that I voted for was for this country to again be governed for the people not for the corporate barons, Wall Street and the military industrial complex. I think the president is doing pretty good at trying to do that while at the same time cleaning up Bush's desecration of the country.

If this silly shit about some guy being offered a job to keep him from running for office is the worst thing these moron rethugs can find to bitch about I think we're doing damned good.

[lights1961]

maybe if there were not an environmental catastrophy, two occupations/conflicts, and economic disaster i'd care, but in the big picture- who gives a fuck, really?

Oh but Lula, we're supposed to forget the shit that Bush left for Obama to clean up and pretend that everything is Obama's fault. We're not supposed to bring up Bush's name because Obama is the president.

Actually the change that I voted for was for this country to again be governed for the people not for the corporate barons, Wall Street and the military industrial complex. I think the president is doing pretty good at trying to do that while at the same time cleaning up Bush's desecration of the country.

If this silly shit about some guy being offered a job to keep him from running for office is the worst thing these moron rethugs can find to bitch about I think we're doing damned good.

its alwasy Buhs's is fault isnt it... when you have no answer yourself... thats why Obama's guys keep preaching this mantra...

[Rockindeano]

maybe if there were not an environmental catastrophy, two occupations/conflicts, and economic disaster i'd care, but in the big picture- who gives a fuck, really?

Oh but Lula, we're supposed to forget the shit that Bush left for Obama to clean up and pretend that everything is Obama's fault. We're not supposed to bring up Bush's name because Obama is the president.

Actually the change that I voted for was for this country to again be governed for the people not for the corporate barons, Wall Street and the military industrial complex. I think the president is doing pretty good at trying to do that while at the same time cleaning up Bush's desecration of the country.

If this silly shit about some guy being offered a job to keep him from running for office is the worst thing these moron rethugs can find to bitch about I think we're doing damned good.

its alwasy Buhs's is fault isnt it... when you have no answer yourself.

What you fail to see is yes, it is Bush's fault for the damned near destruction of these United States. Every fucking policy he enacted, every law he broke, everything that was bad was and is a direct result of that piece of shit Bush. The guy did absolutely NOTHING good for this nation. I would love for you Cons to stop bashing us for bashing Bush and tell me one thing Bush did that was a good thing. Tell me why you liked him? Please, anybody, donna in particular, I would love to hear your take on this- name one thing W did that you supported or liked.

[S2M]

The President could end world hunger, bring peace to the middle east, colonize Mars, and reunite Journey....and people would still bitch.

Republicans because it wasn't THEIR boy, and they can't make money off it...

Democrats because he did 6 things, but couldn't do that
7th....and he didn't look good doing it.

A no-win sitch....to be sure.

[7 Wishes]

You don't have anyone's number, LiePaster. He had been in office for only a couple of months at the time had had no involvement with the MMS as he had inherited two fucking wars and two recessions in January. Additionally, MMS was still staffed by Bush-Cheney appointees at the time.

So much for the magic bullet, you Hannity clone.

Here's the rest of the article, dufus.

What's more, BP was engaged in lobbying efforts to expand such exemptions only eleven days before the Apr. 20 explosion. -- "[i]n 2000 (under Clinton), the Minerals Management Service while weighing a comprehensive rulemaking for drilling safety, deemed the acoustic mechanism 'essential' and proposed to mandate the mechanism on all gulf rigs."[2] -- But "between January and March of 2001, incoming Vice President Dick Cheney conducted secret meetings with over 100 oil industry officials allowing them to draft a wish list of industry demands to be implemented by the oil friendly administration. Cheney also used that time to re-staff the Minerals Management Service with oil industry toadies including a cabal of his Wyoming carbon cronies. In 2003, newly reconstituted Minerals Management Service genuflected to the oil cartel by recommending the removal of the proposed requirement for acoustic switches. The Minerals Management Service's 2003 study concluded that 'acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly.'" -- MMS is now "the poster child for 'agency capture phenomena.'""[T]he real culprit in this villainy is a negligent industry, the festering ethics of the Bush Administration and poor oversight by an agency corrupted by eight years of grotesque subservience to Big Oil." ...

[RedWingFan]

Any of you libs want to bitch about the amount of time Bush spent on the golf course during his 8 years? Anybody? Please?

[ohsherrie]

What you fail to see is yes, it is Bush's fault for the damned near destruction of these United States. Every fucking policy he enacted, every law he broke, everything that was bad was and is a direct result of that piece of shit Bush. The guy did absolutely NOTHING good for this nation. I would love for you Cons to stop bashing us for bashing Bush and tell me one thing Bush did that was a good thing. Tell me why you liked him? Please, anybody, donna in particular, I would love to hear your take on this- name one thing W did that you supported or liked.

Dean, you know what they're going to say. "Our beloved president kept up safe." Even though 9/11 happened on his watch, when there was intelligence that he had been made aware of that there could be an attack and even though it's been proven that he went into office demanding excuses be provided to him for a war with Iraq while Afghanistan still festered with Al Qaeda and Taliban and we're still trying to clean up that mess.

[Rockindeano]

Any of you libs want to bitch about the amount of time Bush spent on the golf course during his 8 years? Anybody? Please?

Get it right. The asshole wasn't necessarily playing golf, he was back home at the Western White House 'clearin' brush' and falling off his fucking bike.

Again, not one of you supporters can tell us Dems one good thing he did. I for one am still waiting.

[7 Wishes]

Any of you libs want to bitch about the amount of time Bush spent on the golf course during his 8 years? Anybody? Please?

Asshole, at this point in his term, Dubbya had spent FOUR TIMES AS MANY DAYS ON VACATION than has Obama.

Don't even go there. Dubbya was not only incompetent and the worst President since Hoover, he was also the laziest. You've got NOTHING.

[donnaplease]

Please, anybody, donna in particular, I would love to hear your take on this- name one thing W did that you supported or liked.

This is an easy one for me, Dean. You know in the movie "A Few Good Men" when Kevin Pollak and Demi Moore are arguing about the defendants. He asked her why she liked them so much, and she responded "because they stand on a wall, and say nobody's gonna hurt you, not on my watch". That's how I feel about Bush's response to the 9/11 attacks. I personally believe he was sincere in his desire to keep us safe at all costs. Not because it benefitted him personally, but because it was the right thing to do for America. Now I realize that these beliefs of mine will cause some of you to scoff, make fun of, or attack me personally, but that's ok. You asked me to give you something and I'm giving you my heart-felt answer.

You guys talk about how Bush did this and Bush did that and it destroyed our country. If you're as intelligent and politically astute as you claim to be, you know damned well that one person, even the president, does not have the power to do that. Especially given that the last few years of his presidency he had to battle a congress controlled by an opposing party that literally hated him. We should all just agree that there's bullshit on BOTH sides and until people are motivated to do what is best for the entire nation, and NOT just for their party or their pocketbook, that we're screwed. I doubt that will happen though because people live to hate.

[Rockindeano]

I am going to respect your take donna, but let me ask you this- you're saying you are proud of W for keeping us safe. Well, does that not include the first nine months of his presidency? The most horrific attack ever against this nation happened on HIS watch did it not?

Can you give us just one more example? Please, pretty please.

[S2M]

During a two-term presidency, I believe the American people get 2 years and 6 months of actual Presidential work....The first 6 months of the Presidency is used to show the people that they voted the right way. He may pass a couple of bills, give a great speech, even appear coherent....then he does absolute shit for the next 18 months. Then in his 3rd year it is re-election campaign time and you get a man who wants to kickback for another 4 years. So you get 2 years, hopefully, of cognizant attention to the issues that will get him a 2nd term. And if he gets the term...all bets are off. We're suckers.....

[7 Wishes]

The Democrats worked with Bush to pass massive amounts of legislation they didn't support too much.

The same cannot be said for your selfish, uncooperative, incompetent party, Donna.

[donnaplease]

I am going to respect your take donna, but let me ask you this- you're saying you are proud of W for keeping us safe. Well, does that not include the first nine months of his presidency? The most horrific attack ever against this nation happened on HIS watch did it not?

Can you give us just one more example? Please, pretty please.

Of course it did. But we all know this attack was in the planning long before Bush took office. So it kinda gives the lie to the assumption that Bush caused the world to hate us. We were attacked by Al Quaeda under Clinton as well, and IMO it's not a leader that makes or breaks our station in the world. It's our freedoms and our way of life that others either envy or detest.

It isn't Bush "keeping us safe" that impressed me in my earlier example. It was the way he presented himself in the aftermath of the attacks. I believe he was earnest in his emotions and his primary goal was ensuring it never happened again, and showed true leadership in the days following the attack. He didn't whine and complain and point the finger at his predescessor (?sp) but he did roll up his sleeves and vow to protect our nation.

As for more another example, I really like his quick reflexes and his ability to avoid a shoe whizzing by his melon. He can be on my dodgeball team any time!

[ohsherrie]

You guys talk about how Bush did this and Bush did that and it destroyed our country. If you're as intelligent and politically astute as you claim to be, you know damned well that one person, even the president, does not have the power to do that.

He had a great deal of help from his henchmen - Rove & Cheney.

Especially given that the last few years of his presidency he had to battle a congress controlled by an opposing party that literally hated him.

He gave them every reason to hate him. He was corrupt and they knew it but he invoked executive privilege to keep his henchmen from testify or turning over documents before they were edited. The only reason he and them haven't been prosecuted is because this president truly wanted to try and mend the rift in this country but the rethugs aren't about to let that happen.

The thing I'm most disappointed in Obama for is trying so hard to please those bastards that he'll let things that are important to his supporters slide to try and meet them halfway. He should use his executive privilege and congressional majority to just get the stuff done and to hell with the rethugs.

[donnaplease]

The Democrats worked with Bush to pass massive amounts of legislation they didn't support too much.

The same cannot be said for your selfish, uncooperative, incompetent party, Donna.

I don't have a 'party', Daniel. I voted for Perot...twice. So kiss it!

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is an easy one for me, Dean. You know in the movie "A Few Good Men" when Kevin Pollak and Demi Moore are arguing about the defendants. He asked her why she liked them so much, and she responded "because they stand on a wall, and say nobody's gonna hurt you, not on my watch". That's how I feel about Bush's response to the 9/11 attacks. I personally believe he was sincere in his desire to keep us safe at all costs. Not because it benefitted him personally, but because it was the right thing to do for America. Now I realize that these beliefs of mine will cause some of you to scoff, make fun of, or attack me personally, but that's ok. You asked me to give you something and I'm giving you my heart-felt answer.

Like Bush, it sounds like you're going with your gut instinct. Given that Obama has stepped up drone attacks, wiretapping, clandestine off-the-book wars, assassinations, and pretty much every controversial national security initiative of the past administration, you should feel safe and sound.

[donnaplease]

You guys talk about how Bush did this and Bush did that and it destroyed our country. If you're as intelligent and politically astute as you claim to be, you know damned well that one person, even the president, does not have the power to do that.

He had a great deal of help from his henchmen - Rove & Cheney.

Especially given that the last few years of his presidency he had to battle a congress controlled by an opposing party that literally hated him.

He gave them every reason to hate him. He was corrupt and they knew it but he invoked executive privilege to keep his henchmen from testify or turning over documents before they were edited. The only reason he and them haven't been prosecuted is because this president truly wanted to try and mend the rift in this country but the rethugs aren't about to let that happen.

The thing I'm most disappointed in Obama for is trying so hard to please those bastards that he'll let things that are important to his supporters slide to try and meet them halfway. He should use his executive privilege and congressional majority to just get the stuff done and to hell with the rethugs.

Sherrie, I could accept some of what you say if you didn't use words like 'henchmen' and 'rethugs'. It totally destroys your message. As for mending the rift... If that were true, he wouldn't keep reminding us of all of the previous administrations sins.

[7 Wishes]

Way to avoid the subject for the MR Forum-record 1,552nd consecutive time, LieFinder!!!!

[lights1961]

You guys talk about how Bush did this and Bush did that and it destroyed our country. If you're as intelligent and politically astute as you claim to be, you know damned well that one person, even the president, does not have the power to do that.

He had a great deal of help from his henchmen - Rove & Cheney.

Especially given that the last few years of his presidency he had to battle a congress controlled by an opposing party that literally hated him.

He gave them every reason to hate him. He was corrupt and they knew it but he invoked executive privilege to keep his henchmen from testify or turning over documents before they were edited. The only reason he and them haven't been prosecuted is because this president truly wanted to try and mend the rift in this country but the rethugs aren't about to let that happen.

The thing I'm most disappointed in Obama for is trying so hard to please those bastards that he'll let things that are important to his supporters slide to try and meet them halfway. He should use his executive privilege and congressional majority to just get the stuff done and to hell with the rethugs.

that last part is laughable... he couldn't care less about the GOP... and he doesnt even have too he has majority in all branches plus the press... printed and TV...the truth about liberals is they care more about policy and theories and less about people, issues and
country... Tuesday nights speech was right up there with what I mean... policy and theory, bit stopping the leak??? No answer at all... not even rewards for those that can find a way... the answer is more red tape... wind turbins and electric cars... oooh...
wow... that really fires up the Southern states now affected by the gulf oil slick now in what day 60???

[The_Noble_Cause]

As for mending the rift... If that were true, he wouldn't keep reminding us of all of the previous administrations sins.

It's Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, Rule #13

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.'...

"...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?' When your 'freeze the target,' you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the 'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...'

"One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other." (pps.127-134)

So THAT'S why Reagan was blaming Carter years into his first term! And I guess that explains why FDR continued to blame Hoover despite Alinsky only being in diapers at the time! Following your logic, you must have been about halfway through your dog-eared copy of The Alinsky Reader when you started blaming Clinton for the housing bubble collapse in 2008. Right? Right?
Ever hear the phrase, 'the most obvious answer is sometimes the correct one'?
Obama isn’t blaming Bush on the orders of Alinsky, ACORN flash mobs, the Kremlin, or Cloward & Piven – it’s because blaming your opposition is as old as politics and prostitution.
Your posts continue to prove just how far the GOP has strayed from the mainstream. Nearly every one is written in wingnut code decipherable only to those with Glenn Beck Cracker Jack decoder rings. Seriously, get a grip.