President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[S2M]

I don't know why I visit this thread....

[The_Noble_Cause]

that last part is laughable... he couldn't care less about the GOP...

Care to explain why he squandered nearly all of his political capital playing "let's make a deal" with your side on major initiatives like healthcare? Just how much of the stimulus was useless GOP-appeasing tax cuts? Obama's post-partisan pragmatic streak continues to display itself in his largely hands-off approach to the oil crisis. There’s a reason Obama’s administration is crowded with Clinton lackeys – that's the technocratic presidential model he’s trying to follow. And before anyone argues otherwise...save it. I remember Clinton being called “the most radical president ever” and all the usual socialist/communist/pinko BS too.

[RedWingFan]

The Democrats worked with Bush to pass massive amounts of legislation they didn't support too much.

The same cannot be said for your selfish, uncooperative, incompetent party, Donna.

I don't have a 'party', Daniel. I voted for Perot...twice. So kiss it!

I voted for him once.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6n5OQVz ... re=related

[RedWingFan]

that last part is laughable... he couldn't care less about the GOP...

Care to explain why he squandered nearly all of his political capital playing "let's make a deal" with your side on major initiatives like healthcare?

The same reason the "benefits" don't kick it until after his God forbid...re-election. He knows it's going to be a disaster and cripple the country, but he'll have achieved one of his goal and model us after all the Western European countries that are crumbling. He wanted so badly to be able to call the disaster "bipartisan" to spread around the blame like it was wealth.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The same reason the "benefits" don't kick it until after his God forbid...re-election. He knows it's going to be a disaster and cripple the country, but he'll have achieved one of his goal and model us after all the Western European countries that are crumbling. He wanted so badly to be able to call the disaster "bipartisan" to spread around the blame like it was wealth.

If the endgame is to destroy America as we know it, why not just ram it through to begin with? I doubt what’s left of the population will care much about political scoreboards as they’re hurled into apocalyptic darkness, and forced to fend for their lives from Mad Max-style looters and clans of cannibalistic mutants. Every time legislation passes that helps people, it’s proclaimed as the end of the world. Here’s but a small sampling of right wing fortune telling through history. You tell me how many have come true -


“The child will become a very dominant factor in the household and might refuse perhaps to do chores before six a.m. or after seven p.m. or to perform any labor.”
—Senator Weldon Heyburn (R-ID), in 1908, on why child labor should remain unregulated

“I fear it may end the progress of a great country and bring its people to the level of the average European. It will furnish delicious food and add great strength to the political demagogue. It will assist in driving worthy and courageous men from public life. It will discourage and defeat the American trait of thrift. It will go a long way toward destroying American initiative and courage.”
—Senator Daniel O. Hastings (R-DE), in 1935, listing the evils of Social Security

“It is socialism. It moves the country in a direction which is not good for anyone, whether they be young or old. It charts a course from which there will be no turning back.”
—Senator Carl Curtis (R-NE), in 1965, opposing Medicare

“The doctor begins to lose freedoms; it’s like telling a lie, and one leads to another. First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They are equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then the doctors aren’t equally divided geographically, so a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him you can’t live in that town, they already have enough doctors. You have to go someplace else. And from here it is only a short step to dictating where he will go.”
—Ronald Reagan, in 1961, arguing against the creation of Medicare

[7 Wishes]

The same reason the "benefits" don't kick it until after his God forbid...re-election. He knows it's going to be a disaster and cripple the country, but he'll have achieved one of his goal and model us after all the Western European countries that are crumbling. He wanted so badly to be able to call the disaster "bipartisan" to spread around the blame like it was wealth.

TNC, congrats on another all-time classic. I can't stop peeing myself.

Anyway, the European economy is not only marginally, but significantly, healthier than ours.

And the GOP is almost entirely to blame for the deregulation and cronyism that led to the oil spill happening in the first place. Greed, money, and Hannity troglodytes are strange, but compatible, bedfellows.

Your boy Dubbya already pretty much assured the United States would be politically and ecomonically crippled for generations to come after the Moderate Clinton saved us from the perpetually out-of-control, wagging-the-dog, spinning sphere of doom that was the completely failed trickle down approach employed vicariously by Reagan and perhaps more consciously by Bush Sr.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Anyway, the European economy is not only marginally, but significantly, healthier than ours.

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as someone who runs an international division of an interim managment agency that employs people in both Europe and the United States, and as someone who has family and friends on both sides of the Atlantic and travels extensively back and forth, I can't see how this can possibly be true - in terms of business regulations, job availabilty and securithy , prices, tax rates, ( or access to health care which is of reliable quality)

[ohsherrie]

Yep that Grand Old Party sure is looking out for public good:

"Tonight, every single Republican voted to deny states critical aid that would keep firefighters, police offices and teachers employed," said Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.)."

Sherrie, I could accept some of what you say if you didn't use words like 'henchmen' and 'rethugs'. It totally destroys your message. As for mending the rift... If that were true, he wouldn't keep reminding us of all of the previous administrations sins.

Donna, what I say is the truth that you don't want to hear no matter how I say it. I call it like it was and it wasn't pretty so why use pretty language? The Bush administration was a bunch of corrupt political thugs; Bush and Rove were Cheney's henchmen.

As for President Obama reminding us of the mess that he inherited; I'm sure your selective memory won't recall this, but he started out saying he was going to leave the past behind and concentrate on moving forward. He kept to that message to the dismay of many of his supporters until the rethug talking 4-headed monster (LimbaughBeckHannityPalin) and all of their loyal, lunatic lemmings started labeling all of the wreckage that Bush left as: Obama's bailout, Obama's recession, Obama's deficit, Obama's wars. How long did people really expect him to stand by and let the sewage be dumped on his lawn?


lights1961 - See above and what TNC said.

[ohsherrie]

( or access to health care which is of reliable quality)

It's only reliable here to people who can afford it.

[AlteredDNA]

( or access to health care which is of reliable quality)

It's only reliable here to people who can afford it.

Opinion or fact?

[ohsherrie]

( or access to health care which is of reliable quality)

It's only reliable here to people who can afford it.

Opinion or fact?

Fact. If you can't afford health insurance or Dr. visits but don't qualify for Medicaid, which is the position more and more Americans are finding themselves in, your only option is hospital emergency rooms and they are only legally obligated to stabilize you and then send you out. You don't have preventative or follow-up care.

[Rockindeano]

( or access to health care which is of reliable quality)

It's only reliable here to people who can afford it.

Opinion or fact?

Fact. If you can't afford health insurance or Dr. visits but don't qualify for Medicaid, which is the position more and more Americans are finding themselves in, your only option is hospital emergency rooms and they are only legally obligated to stabilize you and then send you out. You don't have preventative or follow-up care.

Thank God this shit is going to change in a few years. Too fucking bad if you don't like it Cons. The Health Bill while not perfect, is a good start. And to think the republicans want nothing more than to win back Congress so they can repeal this bill is disgusting. And you tell me which party is on the side of the people? Thankfully they are going to fall short at winning either House back November.

[RossValoryRocks]

Thankfully they are going to fall short at winning either House back November.

I got $100 that says you are wrong on that count...at least the House is going to flip...

[donnaplease]

I call it like it was

No, honey, you call it as you see it, and that's fine. You are as entitled to your opinion as anyone else here, and I know how passionate you are about your position. Go for it with the name calling, I just think it takes away from your argument when you use such inflammatory language. But then again, that's par for the course with liberal dems, from what I've seen. Yeah, yeah, I know... both sides do it. I just know how sweet you are in person, so I'm surprised by your anger.

As for President Obama reminding us of the mess that he inherited; I'm sure your selective memory won't recall this, but he started out saying he was going to leave the past behind and concentrate on moving forward. He kept to that message to the dismay of many of his supporters until the rethug talking 4-headed monster (LimbaughBeckHannityPalin) and all of their loyal, lunatic lemmings started labeling all of the wreckage that Bush left as: Obama's bailout, Obama's recession, Obama's deficit, Obama's wars. How long did people really expect him to stand by and let the sewage be dumped on his lawn?

This is just not true, Sherrie. I'm not gonna argue it anymore though, because I'm just not interested in the name calling. We obviously have 2 very different belief systems, and neither one of us are gonna change our minds. Besides, it's more fun sitting on my balcony here at Myrtle Beach watching funnel clouds develop out on the water. Still love ya, and we'll always have Leesburg!!!

[artist4perry]

I am going to respect your take donna, but let me ask you this- you're saying you are proud of W for keeping us safe. Well, does that not include the first nine months of his presidency? The most horrific attack ever against this nation happened on HIS watch did it not?

Can you give us just one more example? Please, pretty please.

No one had a clue anyone would try to use a plane as a bomb, till it was done. No one had a true idea of how devistating Katrina was till it almost destroyed New Orleans or for that matter what to do in such a situation in the aftermath, No one knew how bad this oil spill was going to be, or had plans to contain or clean such a mess till now.

Devils advocate time: Argue with me all you want. Disasters are just that.........Disasters. We waist so much time pointing fingers at who is to blame, that we forget we should be working on prevention for future situations. I don't blame Obama for the oil spill, but it is his baby now, and he needs to do all he can to help. Again, one of this magnatude has never happened before.

I know for a fact what 9/11 meant to our way of life. It changed it forever. Same as Katrina. New Orleans people have had warnings before, they just didn't grasp how bad it was going to be until it happened. People ignore tornado warnings here........why? Because they think it will just blow over, it is just another false alarm.

The time to argue is later, the time to act is now. Deal with the problem, then discuss it after the fact. If your child falls on a sharp stick and it is sticking out of his face, you don't waste time finding out who did it. You get them to the emergency room first and deal with the most important thing. Saving your child.

[treetopovskaya]

I am going to respect your take donna, but let me ask you this- you're saying you are proud of W for keeping us safe. Well, does that not include the first nine months of his presidency? The most horrific attack ever against this nation happened on HIS watch did it not?

Can you give us just one more example? Please, pretty please.

No one had a clue anyone would try to use a plane as a bomb, till it was done. No one had a true idea of how devistating Katrina was till it almost destroyed New Orleans or for that matter what to do in such a situation in the aftermath, No one knew how bad this oil spill was going to be, or had plans to contain or clean such a mess till now.

Devils advocate time: Argue with me all you want. Disasters are just that.........Disasters. We waist so much time pointing fingers at who is to blame, that we forget we should be working on prevention for future situations. I don't blame Obama for the oil spill, but it is his baby now, and he needs to do all he can to help. Again, one of this magnatude has never happened before.

I know for a fact what 9/11 meant to our way of life. It changed it forever. Same as Katrina. New Orleans people have had warnings before, they just didn't grasp how bad it was going to be until it happened. People ignore tornado warnings here........why? Because they think it will just blow over, it is just another false alarm.

The time to argue is later, the time to act is now. Deal with the problem, then discuss it after the fact. If your child falls on a sharp stick and it is sticking out of his face, you don't waste time finding out who did it. You get them to the emergency room first and deal with the most important thing. Saving your child.

awesome post ginger. }:C)

[artist4perry]

I am going to respect your take donna, but let me ask you this- you're saying you are proud of W for keeping us safe. Well, does that not include the first nine months of his presidency? The most horrific attack ever against this nation happened on HIS watch did it not?

Can you give us just one more example? Please, pretty please.

No one had a clue anyone would try to use a plane as a bomb, till it was done. No one had a true idea of how devistating Katrina was till it almost destroyed New Orleans or for that matter what to do in such a situation in the aftermath, No one knew how bad this oil spill was going to be, or had plans to contain or clean such a mess till now.

Devils advocate time: Argue with me all you want. Disasters are just that.........Disasters. We waist so much time pointing fingers at who is to blame, that we forget we should be working on prevention for future situations. I don't blame Obama for the oil spill, but it is his baby now, and he needs to do all he can to help. Again, one of this magnatude has never happened before.

I know for a fact what 9/11 meant to our way of life. It changed it forever. Same as Katrina. New Orleans people have had warnings before, they just didn't grasp how bad it was going to be until it happened. People ignore tornado warnings here........why? Because they think it will just blow over, it is just another false alarm.

The time to argue is later, the time to act is now. Deal with the problem, then discuss it after the fact. If your child falls on a sharp stick and it is sticking out of his face, you don't waste time finding out who did it. You get them to the emergency room first and deal with the most important thing. Saving your child.

awesome post ginger. }:C)

Thanks.

[RedWingFan]

( or access to health care which is of reliable quality)

It's only reliable here to people who can afford it.

Oh so if someone's in an accident, they're wheeled into your local hospital thru the emergency room, out the back door and dumped off the gurney into the alley behind the hospital? Sure. Okay.

[ohsherrie]

( or access to health care which is of reliable quality)

It's only reliable here to people who can afford it.

Oh so if someone's in an accident, they're wheeled into your local hospital thru the emergency room, out the back door and dumped off the gurney into the alley behind the hospital? Sure. Okay.

That's ridiculous and extreme, well, I guess that kind of describes wingnuts like you.

What it means is that in the process of caring for your wounds from the accident they discover that you have a tumor on your brain, but your wounds from the accident aren't life threatening, all they are required to do is tell you that you have a tumor and cut you loose. In corporate health care that's all they will do too.

[ohsherrie]

As for President Obama reminding us of the mess that he inherited; I'm sure your selective memory won't recall this, but he started out saying he was going to leave the past behind and concentrate on moving forward. He kept to that message to the dismay of many of his supporters until the rethug talking 4-headed monster (LimbaughBeckHannityPalin) and all of their loyal, lunatic lemmings started labeling all of the wreckage that Bush left as: Obama's bailout, Obama's recession, Obama's deficit, Obama's wars. How long did people really expect him to stand by and let the sewage be dumped on his lawn?

This is just not true, Sherrie. I'm not gonna argue it anymore though, because I'm just not interested in the name calling. We obviously have 2 very different belief systems, and neither one of us are gonna change our minds. Besides, it's more fun sitting on my balcony here at Myrtle Beach watching funnel clouds develop out on the water. Still love ya, and we'll always have Leesburg!!!

Yes Donna, it is absolutely true, but get off of the computer and enjoy your balcony. Funnel clouds make me homesick for Iowa. I'm not trying to destroy anybody's belief system; I just want to keep it out of my life.

[ohsherrie]

No one had a clue anyone would try to use a plane as a bomb, till it was done.

Well yeah, actually they did. I don't have time right now to google up the truth, but they did.

[donnaplease]

I'm not trying to destroy anybody's belief system; I just want to keep it out of my life.

Alrighty then... Thanks, friend.

[artist4perry]

No one had a clue anyone would try to use a plane as a bomb, till it was done.

Well yeah, actually they did. I don't have time right now to google up the truth, but they did.

Sigh...........I know you live to debate, but your missing the point. I was not comparing Bush to Obama. I was saying no one knew the amount of devistation that would happen. Like both buildings collapsing. And if I remember right, Clinton also was aware of threats to this country. You see what I am saying? Blame is more important than taking care of the moment at hand. I have no use for the blame game. I think instead maybe plugging the hole and cleaning up the mess is the main event that needs care right now? But it amazes me how who is to blame is more important than taking care of saving our wildlife and stopping the devistation.

I give up. You guys can argue dems vs reps till you die. You see, this is what is wrong with our country, we are not dealing with problems as they arise because we are too buisy tooting the horns of party partisanism. Screw both parties, lets do what we do when a tornado hits our area. Take care of ourselves and our neighbors and stop whining about Government not doing anything. If you wait on them you will be waiting a long time.

[Rockindeano]

No one had a clue anyone would try to use a plane as a bomb, till it was done.

Condi Rice KNEW well beforehand this may play out the way it did. The Bush Administration knew full well, and guess what, Bush didn't give two shits.

[artist4perry]

No one had a clue anyone would try to use a plane as a bomb, till it was done.

Condi Rice KNEW well beforehand this may play out the way it did. The Bush Administration knew full well, and guess what, Bush didn't give two shits.

Deano........how do you know what he knew and how he felt? I am no fan of Bush's but it seems when we monday night armchair quarterbacks assess the situation then we come to our own conclusions without all the facts.

Some nut job wrote into our paper today and said 9/11 was the Mexicans fault..............seriously This guy needs to put down the pipe and put his aluminum hat back on.



No one knew it would colapse both buildings. It supprised everyone. Yes there was word of a pending attack. But guess what, there are a lot of warnings of pending attacks. How about the guy who planted the bomb in the car on Obama's watch? He did not stop it, a regular citizen reported it. If they want to hurt us they will try and try till they succede. It can happen anytime regardless of who is president. We can't know about everything.

[RossValoryRocks]

No one had a clue anyone would try to use a plane as a bomb, till it was done.

Condi Rice KNEW well beforehand this may play out the way it did. The Bush Administration knew full well, and guess what, Bush didn't give two shits.

Deano........how do you know what he knew and how he felt? I am no fan of Bush's but it seems when we monday night armchair quarterbacks assess the situation then we come to our own conclusions without all the facts.

Some nut job wrote into our paper today and said 9/11 was the Mexicans fault..............seriously This guy needs to put down the pipe and put his aluminum hat back on.



No one knew it would colapse both buildings. It supprised everyone. Yes there was word of a pending attack. But guess what, there are a lot of warnings of pending attacks. How about the guy who planted the bomb in the car on Obama's watch? He did not stop it, a regular citizen reported it. If they want to hurt us they will try and try till they succede. It can happen anytime regardless of who is president. We can't know about everything.

Dean doesn't need facts...he's Dean...the uncoverer of TapeGate (tm) (C) 2004 RockinDeano! His word is law and all shall bow before his mighty wind! (Brought forth by Stella Atrois).

Just listen to him (and give the Government all your money) and everything will be ok...no need for tin foil hats...you will be taken care of (whether you want to be or not!)

[7 Wishes]

And if I remember right, Clinton also was aware of threats to this country.

And during the transfer of power meeting Dubbya had with Clinton in 2001, Clinton told Bush his #1 foreign policy concern would be Osama Bin Laden.

And bullshit LiePaster - your hero, the spendocrat Reagan - who, incidentally, had NOTHING to do with the Wall coming down - had an ever lower approval rating at this point in his first term.

[RossValoryRocks]

And if I remember right, Clinton also was aware of threats to this country.

And during the transfer of power meeting Dubbya had with Clinton in 2001, Clinton told Bush his #1 foreign policy concern would be Osama Bin Laden.

And bullshit LiePaster - your hero, the spendocrat Reagan - who, incidentally, had NOTHING to do with the Wall coming down - had an ever lower approval rating at this point in his first term.

The President doesn't SPEND shit...the Congress does...which was controlled by...TADA...the Democrats back then...and had been for awhile. Maybe if you actually learned how our Government functions you would have some kind of clue.

Quit trying to rewrite history...Reagan is consistently ranked as one of the greatest Presidents...I am sure that pisses you off...but you are just going to have to deal with it.

[artist4perry]

And if I remember right, Clinton also was aware of threats to this country.

And during the transfer of power meeting Dubbya had with Clinton in 2001, Clinton told Bush his #1 foreign policy concern would be Osama Bin Laden.

And bullshit LiePaster - your hero, the spendocrat Reagan - who, incidentally, had NOTHING to do with the Wall coming down - had an ever lower approval rating at this point in his first term.

Hey 7 fishes............I think I said both parties suck. I also said we need to stop arguing partisan politics and do what is best. Spending money frivilously will get us to end up like Greece. Or God forbid, someday re-live the days of "The Grapes of Wrath".

[Voyager]

My mother-in-law is in town, and she hates Obama. For the next few says I get to hear all about how much she hates this negro. She is a right-wing conservative and she says Obama is the antichrist. She says he is a muslim and wasn't even born in the USA, but rather, in Saudi Arabia under the watch of the Bin Laden family. She says all of the "prophets" who speak in the churches have said Obama is the anti-christ.

I'll be the first to admit that Obama is as flawed as the next human, but the fucking antichrist? I'd like to get some of the shit that she's smoking, because it must be mind-blowing.

She blames every problem in America on Obama, from the illegal aliens to the oil spill to the poor economy. I'm like - c'mon, even this supernegro can't fix all the problems in the the USA!

Religion is worthless - all it does is cause arguments and controversy. Screw the damn superstitious end-times antichrist bullshit - what ever happened to using simple logic and reasoning?