President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Don]

The UK just lost their 300th soldier in Afghanistan.

[Jana]

As for allies in Afganistan, doesn't the US have it's two best friends there, in the UK and Canada?

Canada ... . What the fuck did they send ... a goalie and a case of fucking Molson???

HAHA! }:C)

Yeah, that's hilarious - tell that joke to the families of the 148 Canadian men & women (since 2002) who have lost their lives in Afghanistan.

Canada was the first ally to come to the defense of the United States after 9/11 and the only friend who has never wavered in its mission to fight terrorism - we have given more and sacrificed more than any other ally the US still has left and we are still there. If that is what Saint John and treetopskaya think of the sacrifices of Canadian lives, they are free to go to Afghanistan and risk their own lives fighting those who attacked their country.

Great post.

[Triple S]

As for allies in Afganistan, doesn't the US have it's two best friends there, in the UK and Canada?

Canada ... . What the fuck did they send ... a goalie and a case of fucking Molson???

HAHA! }:C)

Yeah, that's hilarious - tell that joke to the families of the 148 Canadian men & women (since 2002) who have lost their lives in Afghanistan.

148? Unfortunate, but it could have been far worse if that country actually had a military. Seems like a win to me.

A win? Once again, your attempt at humor at the expense of human suffering has failed miserably. No-one is laughing (well, maybe a few of your sheeple think it's funny). Come talk to my friend whose daughter has been stationed in Afghanistan off and on for the last 7 years and tell her it's 'unfortunate' or a 'win'.

[RedWingFan]

Typical Democrat!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWaBkJSPXtk

[G.I.Jim]

Typical Democrat!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWaBkJSPXtk

That was hilarious!

[ohsherrie]

"Wow...anti-christian much?? You and that crusty old twat OhSherrie must get along famously! "

You and all the hyperbolic, bombastic, egotistical, self-righteous Christian puppets on this board probably would have gotten on famously with the Kool-aid King Jim Jones.

[ohsherrie]

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[G.I.Jim]

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Why did they stop at Bush? I'll tell you why... They couldn't make the fucking chart high enough for the current administration!

[ohsherrie]

[ohsherrie]

http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/19/republ ... tlett.html

"The human capacity for self-delusion never ceases to amaze me, so it shouldn't surprise me that so many Republicans seem to genuinely believe that they are the party of fiscal responsibility. Perhaps at one time they were, but those days are long gone."

[treetopovskaya]

As for allies in Afganistan, doesn't the US have it's two best friends there, in the UK and Canada?

Canada ... . What the fuck did they send ... a goalie and a case of fucking Molson???

HAHA! }:C)

Yeah, that's hilarious - tell that joke to the families of the 148 Canadian men & women (since 2002) who have lost their lives in Afghanistan.

Canada was the first ally to come to the defense of the United States after 9/11 and the only friend who has never wavered in its mission to fight terrorism - we have given more and sacrificed more than any other ally the US still has left and we are still there. If that is what Saint John and treetopskaya think of the sacrifices of Canadian lives, they are free to go to Afghanistan and risk their own lives fighting those who attacked their country.

Great post.

whoa whoa whoa... hold on just a second... it was a joke... no where in dan's comment did he make fun of anyone dying. since canada is known for hockey & me being a HUGE hockey fan (especially the goalies) i thought it was funny. it was a stupid JOKE.

i LOVE canada. }:C)

[ohsherrie]

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/jfrankel/ ... IR-rSS.pdf

"Almost overnight, the Bush Administration has thrown away long-sought and hard-fought budget balance................................The answer lies in a surprising fact, though it has long been in plain sight. When it comes to White House economic policy, the Republican and Democratic parties have switched places since the 1960s."

[slucero]

GrApHiCs iS FuN...

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/19/republican-budget-hypocrisy-health-care-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html

"The human capacity for self-delusion never ceases to amaze me, so it shouldn't surprise me that so many Republicans seem to genuinely believe that they are the party of fiscal responsibility. Perhaps at one time they were, but those days are long gone."

Bartlett is a genius. As one of the foremost pioneers of supply side economics and the Reagan revolution, he speaks first-hand about what a sewage pit the GOP is today.

[ohsherrie]

http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html

"The first seven years of G.W. Bush accrued more total debt than eight years of Reagan, and almost twice as much as twelve years of FDR. If you include 2008-2009, the 8-year G.W. Bush administration accrued almost as much total debt as the 8-year Reagan administration and the 12-year FDR administration combined. The biggest accrued-debt-per-year figures are associated with G.W. Bush, G.H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, FDR, Bill Clinton, and Jimmy Carter, in that order. "

[ohsherrie]

GrApHiCs iS FuN...

But projected is so much less reliable than historic.

Edited to add:

Of course it's going to be higher because he's dealing with the economic destruction that Bush left him. Sort of like Clinton did with Dumbya's Daddy, but look how that economy turned out.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

No sense arguing whehter the R's or the D's are responsible for the debt- tBoth parties are the parties of big runaway government. The runaway spending began with LBJ's Great society, was permamently enabled by Nixon's abandomnet of the gold standard continued through Carter Reagan bush and clinton, and has hit all new fantastic heights thanks to W and Obama. And none of that debt and spending have contibuted to wealth or economics growth.

[ohsherrie]

And none of that debt and spending have contibuted to wealth or economics growth.

Bush's tax breaks to companies who move jobs out of this country contributed considerably to the wealth of the wealthy while plunging millions of American families into poverty. Clinton's tax cuts for working Americans absolutely created economic growth, but they were against the rethug philosophy of giving tax cuts to the wealthy (code name supply side economics) so they were abandoned as soon as possible after Bush took office.

[donnaplease]

OS, I agree you should call the person out...For the record, I thought it was donna but she wouldn't use the word 'treason.' Anyway, the hateful name calling directed at you is a bit over the top. Yes I do it, but I don't include the hate and nastiness that is currently being utilized by a person. Don't worry about it, I am receiving it too, but I can care less. So far I have a drug and alcohol middled brain...seems he picked that up from that shitty bass player in Journey, who also called me a cokehead. Anyway, I give you props OS for helping to expose these liars as they spin their way to oblivion. As for the name calling, let that shit go...even though it's extremely nasty, it's only a name. Funny how donna suggests that dropping name calling takes away from a person's point, yet has yet to get on one her own in this thread.

LOL at the republicans. Too much.

WTF?

FWIW, I have been away from the computer for a few days, attending my son's college orientation. But if you want my opinion, Stu's comments about Sherrie are not nice, and I'd rather not see them. However, if she continues to make the outrageous claims that she is making, she is setting herself up to get attacked. Frankly I'm surprised by some of the stuff I'm reading here over the past few weeks, even though I know where some folks' thoughts lie. For the most part, it is my opinion that most of the nastiness and personal-type attacks come from the liberal viewpoint, both here and in the general population. It's certainly not exclusive, but I'd bet if you read all 200+ pages of this thread, there would be more outrageous claims and personal attacks from the left side of the fence than the right. I don't have the time or inclination to do that, though, so you can choose to believe me or not. Either way I could care less.

Besides this is the fact that Sherrie made it perfectly clear a few pages back that she didn't want to be associated with me because of my conservative standpoint. So, as far as I'm concerned, she's on her own. And that's really sad, because I used to consider her a good friend. As for you not using hate and nastiness... come on, dude. You can be as hateful and nasty as the next person when you're feeling frisky.

LOL all you want, I personally see nothing to laugh about here.

[donnaplease]

Stu, with all due respect, how can you possibly even suggest that? It's plain as day. There is no subjective interpretation of this one.

I know I'm gonna regret asking this, Daniel, but here goes...

How is this one any different (particulars aside) than the issue involving Bush/Rahm/Clinton and Sestak? It's an interpretation of the laws in both circumstances, yet you were so convinced of a "non-issue" with regard to potential election tampering and are very certain of this interpretation.

I'm not gonna break it down and examine this too closely. I didn't read the article so I really don't know what he did or didn't say. I think it's bad for all these folks to publicly criticize the president when they are in such positions - he should've kept his opinions to himself, or resigned first before making them public. He's gone, one way or another. I would think if he really broke a law the president's office would've already had him in shackles - the military really is different about crap like this. I guess it's possible that he had some form of sanctions against him that we don't know about. I hope people don't ruin this guy's life any more than it is already just for political purposes. (It goes for all those congressmen who have and continue to bash former administrations as well.)

Don't know about y'all, but I'm sick to death of all these folks not taking any responsibility for their OWN actions... always looking for someone to blame. Man up or get out, already!!!

[slucero]

GrApHiCs iS FuN...

But projected is so much less reliable than historic.

Edited to add:

Of course it's going to be higher because he's dealing with the economic destruction that Bush left him. Sort of like Clinton did with Dumbya's Daddy, but look how that economy turned out.

I thought you might go there...

http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=340

CBO’s Economic Forecasting Record

Today CBO released an evaluation of the accuracy of its economic forecasts by comparing those forecasts with the economy’s actual performance and with the projections of other forecasters. The study examines the two-year ahead forecast accuracy and the five-year ahead forecast accuracy for a variety of macroeconomic variables, such as real GDP, inflation, and interest rates. Thirty-two CBO forecasts, those made early each year from 1976 to 2007, are included in the study. Such evaluations help guide CBO’s efforts to improve the quality of its forecasts and also assist Members of Congress in their use of CBO’s estimates.

Since publishing its first macroeconomic forecast in 1976, CBO has compiled a forecasting track record that is comparable in quality with that of the Administration and that of the Blue Chip consensus. In particular, the accuracy of CBO’s two-year forecasts between 1982 and 2007 paralleled that of the forecasts published by the Blue Chip consensus and the Administration over the same period. The accuracy of CBO’s five-year projections also generally corresponded to that of other forecasters, although the Administration’s projections of types of income (such as wages and salaries, and profits) as a share of national output had slightly smaller errors. Comparing CBO’s forecasts with those of the Blue Chip consensus suggests that when the agency’s predictions of the economy’s performance missed by the largest margin, those errors probably reflected problems shared by other forecasters in predicting turning points in the business cycle.

CBO’s forecasting record provides a measure of the uncertainty underlying forecasts under normal circumstances. However, the current degree of economic dislocation exceeds that of any previous period in the past half-century, so the uncertainty inherent in current forecasts exceeds the historical average.

If you are going to use historical information to prove you point then you should have no problem accepingt an analysis of the CBO's historical veracity to refute yours...

[7 Wishes]

You're changing the subject, slucero.

You can't cut back on spending during a recession. Bush caused and Presided over two recessions, the only President to ever do so.

Did you hear about the GOP's hero, Sister Sarah Palin? She's knee-deep in shit again.

By Reuters / June 26, 2010
Anchorage

A legal defense fund for former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was illegal and must repay nearly $400,000 to donors, according to a settlement with a state-appointed lawyer announced on Thursday.

While governor, Palin faced some two dozen ethics complaints, which she said left her with a legal bill of more than $500,000. Her political action committee raised a fund to pay for her defense.

A preliminary ruling by another independent counsel last year said the fund was illegal because it used her official position as governor to raise money for her personal gain.

AND...


Officials have refused to divulge the terms of her contract or her speaking fee, and some details only came to light after students fished part of what appeared to be Palin's contract from a rubbish bin.

The material recovered by the students, which detailed perks such as first-class airfare for two and deluxe hotel accommodations, prompted California Attorney General Jerry Brown to launch an investigation into the finances of the university's foundation arm and allegations that the nonprofit violated public disclosure laws.

"The campus is spending thousands and thousands of dollars to hire a divisive political figure to come here. There's something wrong with that, when they've turned away people for scholarships."

[RossValoryRocks]

You're changing the subject, slucero.

You can't cut back on spending during a recession. Bush caused and Presided over two recessions, the only President to ever do so.

Did you hear about the GOP's hero, Sister Sarah Palin? She's knee-deep in shit again.

By Reuters / June 26, 2010
Anchorage

A legal defense fund for former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was illegal and must repay nearly $400,000 to donors, according to a settlement with a state-appointed lawyer announced on Thursday.

While governor, Palin faced some two dozen ethics complaints, which she said left her with a legal bill of more than $500,000. Her political action committee raised a fund to pay for her defense.

A preliminary ruling by another independent counsel last year said the fund was illegal because it used her official position as governor to raise money for her personal gain.

AND...


Officials have refused to divulge the terms of her contract or her speaking fee, and some details only came to light after students fished part of what appeared to be Palin's contract from a rubbish bin.

The material recovered by the students, which detailed perks such as first-class airfare for two and deluxe hotel accommodations, prompted California Attorney General Jerry Brown to launch an investigation into the finances of the university's foundation arm and allegations that the nonprofit violated public disclosure laws.

"The campus is spending thousands and thousands of dollars to hire a divisive political figure to come here. There's something wrong with that, when they've turned away people for scholarships."

LOL...how could he have CAUSED a recession that started BEFORE he took office?

[slucero]

You're changing the subject, slucero.

You can't cut back on spending during a recession. Bush caused and Presided over two recessions, the only President to ever do so.

Did you hear about the GOP's hero, Sister Sarah Palin? She's knee-deep in shit again.

By Reuters / June 26, 2010
Anchorage

A legal defense fund for former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was illegal and must repay nearly $400,000 to donors, according to a settlement with a state-appointed lawyer announced on Thursday.

While governor, Palin faced some two dozen ethics complaints, which she said left her with a legal bill of more than $500,000. Her political action committee raised a fund to pay for her defense.

A preliminary ruling by another independent counsel last year said the fund was illegal because it used her official position as governor to raise money for her personal gain.

AND...


Officials have refused to divulge the terms of her contract or her speaking fee, and some details only came to light after students fished part of what appeared to be Palin's contract from a rubbish bin.

The material recovered by the students, which detailed perks such as first-class airfare for two and deluxe hotel accommodations, prompted California Attorney General Jerry Brown to launch an investigation into the finances of the university's foundation arm and allegations that the nonprofit violated public disclosure laws.

"The campus is spending thousands and thousands of dollars to hire a divisive political figure to come here. There's something wrong with that, when they've turned away people for scholarships."

I think you just "changed the subject"...

[treetopovskaya]

You're changing the subject, slucero.

You can't cut back on spending during a recession. Bush caused and Presided over two recessions, the only President to ever do so.

Did you hear about the GOP's hero, Sister Sarah Palin? She's knee-deep in shit again.

By Reuters / June 26, 2010
Anchorage

A legal defense fund for former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was illegal and must repay nearly $400,000 to donors, according to a settlement with a state-appointed lawyer announced on Thursday.

While governor, Palin faced some two dozen ethics complaints, which she said left her with a legal bill of more than $500,000. Her political action committee raised a fund to pay for her defense.

A preliminary ruling by another independent counsel last year said the fund was illegal because it used her official position as governor to raise money for her personal gain.

AND...


Officials have refused to divulge the terms of her contract or her speaking fee, and some details only came to light after students fished part of what appeared to be Palin's contract from a rubbish bin.

The material recovered by the students, which detailed perks such as first-class airfare for two and deluxe hotel accommodations, prompted California Attorney General Jerry Brown to launch an investigation into the finances of the university's foundation arm and allegations that the nonprofit violated public disclosure laws.

"The campus is spending thousands and thousands of dollars to hire a divisive political figure to come here. There's something wrong with that, when they've turned away people for scholarships."

I think you just "changed the subject"...

well... since we're on the subject...

remember this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03413.html

[treetopovskaya]

wishes...

why don't you post links so people can read the whole articles?

[G.I.Jim]

wishes...

why don't you post links so people can read the whole articles?

I'll give you one guess...

[SherriBerry]

As for allies in Afganistan, doesn't the US have it's two best friends there, in the UK and Canada?

Canada ... . What the fuck did they send ... a goalie and a case of fucking Molson???

HAHA! }:C)

Yeah, that's hilarious - tell that joke to the families of the 148 Canadian men & women (since 2002) who have lost their lives in Afghanistan.

Canada was the first ally to come to the defense of the United States after 9/11 and the only friend who has never wavered in its mission to fight terrorism - we have given more and sacrificed more than any other ally the US still has left and we are still there. If that is what Saint John and treetopskaya think of the sacrifices of Canadian lives, they are free to go to Afghanistan and risk their own lives fighting those who attacked their country.

Great post.

whoa whoa whoa... hold on just a second... it was a joke... no where in dan's comment did he make fun of anyone dying. since canada is known for hockey & me being a HUGE hockey fan (especially the goalies) i thought it was funny. it was a stupid JOKE.

i LOVE canada. }:C)

Well, he doesn't have to specifically make fun of anyone dying - that's what happens in a war zone. Denigrating our military and our efforts as a US ally in Afghanistan are self-evident. What did we send? Brave and committed soldiers who have given their lives fighting those who harboured the terrorists who attacked the US. We lost two more soldiers today, bringing our total to 150. We mourn our fallen soldiers and honour their sacrifice - we don't appreciate them being mocked by Americans like Dan. What did he ever send there?

[RedWingFan]

"Instead of middle-class tax relief, President Clinton chose to include in his $241 billion tax plan higher federal gasoline taxes, tax hikes on Social Security recipients, and steep income tax hikes on small business owners. The President even tried unsuccessfully to institute a brand new $71 billion BTU energy tax that would have cost the typical family nearly $500 per year." ("The President's Forgotten Middle Class," Joint Economic Committee, Majority Staff, 3/22/96)

On Oct. 17, 1996, Clinton admits: "It might surprise you to know that I think I raised them [taxes] too much, too." He blames the Republicans—even though not one Republican voted for his budget.

Yeah, and don't forget these quotes from Slick Willie.

"We need to provide a tax credit of up to $800 per child to ease the burden on working families."- Bill Clinton, March 1992

"We should cut middle-class taxes immediately by 10 percent."- Bill Clinton, campaign document, September 1992

"We will lower the tax burden on middle-class Americans. Middle-class taxpayers will have a choice between a children's tax credit or a significant reduction in their income tax rate."- Bill Clinton, "Putting People First"

"We want to give modest middle-class tax relief to restore some fairness, especially to middle-class people with families with incomes of under $60,000 per year."- Bill Clinton, First Presidential Debate, October 1992

"I've offered a comprehensive plan to get our economy moving again. It starts with a tax cut for the middle class."- Bill Clinton, First Campaign Ad, January 1992.

"I want to make it very clear that this middle-class tax cut, in my view, is central to any attempt we're going to make to have a short-term economic strategy."- Bill Clinton, January 19, 1992

"From New Hampshire forward, for reasons that absolutely mystified me, the press thought the most important issue in the race was the middle-class tax cut. I never did meet any voter who thought that."- Bill Clinton, Press Conference, January 14, 1993

OS, must have been doped up on all the sugary bullshit she was fed she don't even remember being bent over and taking it in the shorts. Granted, with the current president screwing everything up...I could only wish to be fucked by Clinton again.

[Deb]

As for allies in Afganistan, doesn't the US have it's two best friends there, in the UK and Canada?

Canada ... . What the fuck did they send ... a goalie and a case of fucking Molson???

Don't be such a