President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[slucero]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

Thats pretty much a personal attack...

[treetopovskaya]

why can't people just be nice instead of always attacking?

Nice? WTF? I was just making a point. You and your neo-con cronies don't spare the adjectives when it comes to disagreeing with me. I guess turnabout isn't fair play. Typical Republican.

And don't try to deny it, tree...you are most CERTAINLY a Republican.

okie... like everything else... since you say so it must be true.

[Rockindeano]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

Thats pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

[treetopovskaya]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

Thats pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

if your IQ is the same as your shoe size maybe.

[RocknRoll]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

That's pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

if your IQ is the same as your shoe size maybe.

LOL!! You got that right!! Never listen to these guys.

Some folks are just having a hard time realizing that regular people are having a tough time getting Obama's agenda shoved down our throats. I respect those in congress who are willing to stand up and just say "NO" until congress decides to work on something that will increase jobs and improve our economy. Foreclosures are up. Not due to subprime loans now, but because of unemployment. Somebody has got to fix this!!!!

[conversationpc]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

Thats pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

I don't listen to Limbaugh and only occasionally listen to Hannity. Wrong again.

[Rockindeano]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

That's pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

if your IQ is the same as your shoe size maybe.

LOL!! You got that right!! Never listen to these guys.

Some folks are just having a hard time realizing that regular people are having a tough time getting Obama's agenda shoved down our throats. I respect those in congress who are willing to stand up and just say "NO" until congress decides to work on something that will increase jobs and improve our economy. Foreclosures are up. Not due to subprime loans now, but because of unemployment. Somebody has got to fix this!!!!

You're fucking dense.

1- YOU guys drove us into this ditch, and you want the keys back? No thank you. I hope you do get the House back, because that won't be a good thing for you in 2012. Good luck.

2- You respect Jon Boehner and Mitch McConnell for wanting to repeal the Finance Reform Bill? You respect the republicans who just sided with Wall Street's Billionaire CEO's in voting no on the Finance Bill? Wow. Let me ask you this. Do you also respect the republican party for not voting to extend unemployment benefits, while millions of Americns are going to now lose their homes? Well? You blame the Dems yet your party wants to withold precious money for out of work citizens, that YOUR party caused- ie Bush economy and his tax cuts. You can't have it both ways.

3- Increase jobs? The GOP wants no part of a jobs bill. They want the worst possible economy come November. That is their hopeful scenario. They also do not want big business to hire- they want them to hold off until the GOP can recquire power....hopefully for all our sake, that won't happen for some time.

4--Go turn on Hannity for your marching orders. You people cannot think on your own.

[7 Wishes]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

Thats pretty much a personal attack...

Way to selectively read, slucero. Keep in mind I was responding to "You're the liar and chief fabricator here dipshit!" Contextualize, son.

[RocknRoll]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

That's pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

if your IQ is the same as your shoe size maybe.

LOL!! You got that right!! Never listen to these guys.

Some folks are just having a hard time realizing that regular people are having a tough time getting Obama's agenda shoved down our throats. I respect those in congress who are willing to stand up and just say "NO" until congress decides to work on something that will increase jobs and improve our economy. Foreclosures are up. Not due to subprime loans now, but because of unemployment. Somebody has got to fix this!!!!

You're fucking dense.

1- YOU guys drove us into this ditch, and you want the keys back? No thank you. I hope you do get the House back, because that won't be a good thing for you in 2012. Good luck.

2- You respect Jon Boehner and Mitch McConnell for wanting to repeal the Finance Reform Bill? You respect the republicans who just sided with Wall Street's Billionaire CEO's in voting no on the Finance Bill? Wow. Let me ask you this. Do you also respect the republican party for not voting to extend unemployment benefits, while millions of Americns are going to now lose their homes? Well? You blame the Dems yet your party wants to withold precious money for out of work citizens, that YOUR party caused- ie Bush economy and his tax cuts. You can't have it both ways.

3- Increase jobs? The GOP wants no part of a jobs bill. They want the worst possible economy come November. That is their hopeful scenario. They also do not want big business to hire- they want them to hold off until the GOP can recquire power....hopefully for all our sake, that won't happen for some time.

4--Go turn on Hannity for your marching orders. You people cannot think on your own.

I can't break apart quotes , so I just have to answer.

YES, they should repeal the Finance Reform Bill among others. It Is a stupid bill with 200+ regulations that don't accomplish anything but restrict lending and increase costs for banks. Nothing to deal with the crisis we are in. I thought there was a commission out there to determine the causes of the the financial crisis. Wouldn't it be great if we determined what really caused the meltdown before we start killing small community banks who make loans to small businesses . I always heard they were the ones that started job creation.

BTW Let me know when you read the bill. Have you read the HealthCare bill yet???

[conversationpc]

This is such easy pickings, it's not even funny...

1- YOU guys drove us into this ditch, and you want the keys back? No thank you. I hope you do get the House back, because that won't be a good thing for you in 2012. Good luck.

Both parties have a long history of running the country into the ditch starting in the early part of the last century.

Do you also respect the republican party for not voting to extend unemployment benefits, while millions of Americns are going to now lose their homes? Well? You blame the Dems yet your party wants to withold precious money for out of work citizens, that YOUR party caused- ie Bush economy and his tax cuts. You can't have it both ways.

Tax cuts didn't cause the poor economy. Decades of overspending and out-of-control entitlement programs have done the bulk of that job, again caused by BOTH major parties.

Secondly, the government cannot continue to enable dependence on itself by extending unemployment benefits ad infinitum. It's been nearly two years now, for crying out loud. I understand being unemployed and drawing unemployment. I also understand the motivating factor it was back then to find a job when I knew the benefits were going to run out. And believe me, in the area of the country I lived at the time, finding a good job was no easy matter, so I worked part-time grunt jobs, working my ass off doing stuff I didn't like until I did found something I liked.

3- Increase jobs? The GOP wants no part of a jobs bill. They want the worst possible economy come November. That is their hopeful scenario. They also do not want big business to hire- they want them to hold off until the GOP can recquire power....hopefully for all our sake, that won't happen for some time.

Both parties use whatever crisis is at their disposal. Heck, your boy Rahm Emanuel is the poster boy for "never letting a good crisis go to waste". It's nasty business and the Democrooks have shown they know how to do the same thing the Rethugs were doing before them. Blah blah blah blah blah.

4--Go turn on Hannity for your marching orders. You people cannot think on your own.

Let me know when you have something other than a Hannity-esque spewing of liberal talking points.

[Rockindeano]

I am disappointed in you Dave. When you Cons go to the "BOTH parties" card, you lose all credibility. This is the blame of one party only. The GOP.

The fact is the Bush economy caused this almost depression. The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy witheld billions of dollars that could have offset some of the defecit spending. The fact is and everyone with a brain knows this, that George W Bush's economic policies created this abyss. The fucking stimulus helped to ease the pain. Yes, the stimulus worked, big time.

As for your heartless explanation regarding unemployment benefits, fuck you. I hope you fuckers run on this agenda..The entire nation will be against you. Who's side are you on anyway? There are millions of people hurting, primarily due to Bush economics, and now you want to yank the safety rug out from underneath them? Man, how can you think the way you do? And you call yourself a Christian? Hell, you call yourself an American. I was in the US Army and went to war for this country. However, I would never go fight for people like you and your selfish fucking thought process. It's sickening. So when the family of four loses their home in Gary, IN, becuse their unemployment ran out, make sure to pray for em...I'm sure they'll find comfort in that.

[Rockindeano]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

That's pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

if your IQ is the same as your shoe size maybe.

LOL!! You got that right!! Never listen to these guys.

Some folks are just having a hard time realizing that regular people are having a tough time getting Obama's agenda shoved down our throats. I respect those in congress who are willing to stand up and just say "NO" until congress decides to work on something that will increase jobs and improve our economy. Foreclosures are up. Not due to subprime loans now, but because of unemployment. Somebody has got to fix this!!!!

You're fucking dense.

1- YOU guys drove us into this ditch, and you want the keys back? No thank you. I hope you do get the House back, because that won't be a good thing for you in 2012. Good luck.

2- You respect Jon Boehner and Mitch McConnell for wanting to repeal the Finance Reform Bill? You respect the republicans who just sided with Wall Street's Billionaire CEO's in voting no on the Finance Bill? Wow. Let me ask you this. Do you also respect the republican party for not voting to extend unemployment benefits, while millions of Americns are going to now lose their homes? Well? You blame the Dems yet your party wants to withold precious money for out of work citizens, that YOUR party caused- ie Bush economy and his tax cuts. You can't have it both ways.

3- Increase jobs? The GOP wants no part of a jobs bill. They want the worst possible economy come November. That is their hopeful scenario. They also do not want big business to hire- they want them to hold off until the GOP can recquire power....hopefully for all our sake, that won't happen for some time.

4--Go turn on Hannity for your marching orders. You people cannot think on your own.

I can't break apart quotes , so I just have to answer.

YES, they should repeal the Finance Reform Bill among others. It Is a stupid bill with 200+ regulations that don't accomplish anything but restrict lending and increase costs for banks. Nothing to deal with the crisis we are in. I thought there was a commission out there to determine the causes of the the financial crisis. Wouldn't it be great if we determined what really caused the meltdown before we start killing small community banks who make loans to small businesses . I alway heard they were the ones that started job creation.

BTW Let me know when you read the bill. Have you read the HealthCare bill yet???

You're hopeless. I won't even respond to your drivel. Repel repeal repeal. Way to go dude.

[RocknRoll]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

That's pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

if your IQ is the same as your shoe size maybe.

LOL!! You got that right!! Never listen to these guys.

Some folks are just having a hard time realizing that regular people are having a tough time getting Obama's agenda shoved down our throats. I respect those in congress who are willing to stand up and just say "NO" until congress decides to work on something that will increase jobs and improve our economy. Foreclosures are up. Not due to subprime loans now, but because of unemployment. Somebody has got to fix this!!!!

You're fucking dense.

1- YOU guys drove us into this ditch, and you want the keys back? No thank you. I hope you do get the House back, because that won't be a good thing for you in 2012. Good luck.

2- You respect Jon Boehner and Mitch McConnell for wanting to repeal the Finance Reform Bill? You respect the republicans who just sided with Wall Street's Billionaire CEO's in voting no on the Finance Bill? Wow. Let me ask you this. Do you also respect the republican party for not voting to extend unemployment benefits, while millions of Americns are going to now lose their homes? Well? You blame the Dems yet your party wants to withold precious money for out of work citizens, that YOUR party caused- ie Bush economy and his tax cuts. You can't have it both ways.

3- Increase jobs? The GOP wants no part of a jobs bill. They want the worst possible economy come November. That is their hopeful scenario. They also do not want big business to hire- they want them to hold off until the GOP can recquire power....hopefully for all our sake, that won't happen for some time.

4--Go turn on Hannity for your marching orders. You people cannot think on your own.

I can't break apart quotes , so I just have to answer.

YES, they should repeal the Finance Reform Bill among others. It Is a stupid bill with 200+ regulations that don't accomplish anything but restrict lending and increase costs for banks. Nothing to deal with the crisis we are in. I thought there was a commission out there to determine the causes of the the financial crisis. Wouldn't it be great if we determined what really caused the meltdown before we start killing small community banks who make loans to small businesses . I alway heard they were the ones that started job creation.

BTW Let me know when you read the bill. Have you read the HealthCare bill yet???

You're hopeless. I won't even respond to your drivel. Repel repeal repeal. Way to go dude.

Have you read the bills?? I think this is a valid question.

[conversationpc]

I am dissapointed in you Dave. When you Cons go to the "BOTH parties" card, you lose all credibility.

Someone who has no credibility cannot be an expert on someone else losing theirs.

The fact is thew Bush economy caused this almost depression. The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy witheld billions of dollars that could have offset some of the defecit spending. The fact is and everyone with a brain knows this, that George W Bush's economic policies created this abyss. The fucking stimulus helped to ease the pain. Yes, the stimulus worked, big time.

Bullcrap on all points. Go back and study the history of politics starting especially in the early 1900s and then tell me that both parties haven't played a huge role in subterfuging our economy.

As for your heartless explanation regarding unemployment benefits, fuck you. I hope you fuckers run on this agenda..The entire ntion will be aginst you. Who's side are you on anyway? There are millions of people hurting, primrily due to Bush economics, and now you want to yank the safety rug out from underneath them? Man, how can you think the way you do? And you call yourself a Christian?

Gee, another page out of the libtard playbook. [sarcasm]Why, it's completely obvious that you just can't be a Christian if you don't think someone should be endlessly dependent on government.[/sarcasm] Spare me the sanctimony. It's the Bible that says a man shouldn't eat if he doesn't work for it.

Hell, you call yourself an American. I was in the US Army and went to war for this country. However, I would never go fight for people like you and your selfish fucking thought process. It's sickening. So when the family of four loses their home in Gary, IN, becuse their unemployment ran out, make sure to pray for em...I'm sure they'll find comfort in that.

Ah, the anti-American slam. Isn't that supposed to be a Rethug tactic? I'm so proud of you for hypocritically taking on your supposed opponent's tactics. Good job!

[Rockindeano]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

That's pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

if your IQ is the same as your shoe size maybe.

LOL!! You got that right!! Never listen to these guys.

Some folks are just having a hard time realizing that regular people are having a tough time getting Obama's agenda shoved down our throats. I respect those in congress who are willing to stand up and just say "NO" until congress decides to work on something that will increase jobs and improve our economy. Foreclosures are up. Not due to subprime loans now, but because of unemployment. Somebody has got to fix this!!!!

You're fucking dense.

1- YOU guys drove us into this ditch, and you want the keys back? No thank you. I hope you do get the House back, because that won't be a good thing for you in 2012. Good luck.

2- You respect Jon Boehner and Mitch McConnell for wanting to repeal the Finance Reform Bill? You respect the republicans who just sided with Wall Street's Billionaire CEO's in voting no on the Finance Bill? Wow. Let me ask you this. Do you also respect the republican party for not voting to extend unemployment benefits, while millions of Americns are going to now lose their homes? Well? You blame the Dems yet your party wants to withold precious money for out of work citizens, that YOUR party caused- ie Bush economy and his tax cuts. You can't have it both ways.

3- Increase jobs? The GOP wants no part of a jobs bill. They want the worst possible economy come November. That is their hopeful scenario. They also do not want big business to hire- they want them to hold off until the GOP can recquire power....hopefully for all our sake, that won't happen for some time.

4--Go turn on Hannity for your marching orders. You people cannot think on your own.

I can't break apart quotes , so I just have to answer.

YES, they should repeal the Finance Reform Bill among others. It Is a stupid bill with 200+ regulations that don't accomplish anything but restrict lending and increase costs for banks. Nothing to deal with the crisis we are in. I thought there was a commission out there to determine the causes of the the financial crisis. Wouldn't it be great if we determined what really caused the meltdown before we start killing small community banks who make loans to small businesses . I alway heard they were the ones that started job creation.

BTW Let me know when you read the bill. Have you read the HealthCare bill yet???

You're hopeless. I won't even respond to your drivel. Repel repeal repeal. Way to go dude.

Have you read the bills?? I think this is a valid question.

No. Have you? I know the FRB is far from perfect as is the Healthcare bill, but it is a step in the right direction. What's your point? Your contention that there is now too much regulation is typical republican verbiage. It's lazy and predictable, as well as pathetic. Wall Street NEEDS to be regulated, not given more freedoms to burden Main Street for their fuck ups.

[slucero]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

Thats pretty much a personal attack...

Way to selectively read, slucero. Keep in mind I was responding to "You're the liar and chief fabricator here dipshit!" Contextualize, son.

I never said you have never been personally attacked.. I was only pointing out that that was what you are doing...

Guess they don't teach critical thinking in MBA school anymore "son"...


Anyhoo... EITHER SIDE name-calling because one thinks their opinion or position is the correct one will most likely not sway that person to agree with you.... or even consider your point to be valid..

but then again you also learned that in MBA school too... didn't you "son"?

You claim to have a higher education... somewhere along the way to earning that education you un-learned how to have a civil discourse with people... well done "son"..

[slucero]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

Thats pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

No it isn't.. it furthers nothing other than make the person name calling look like a fool. It's childish and certainly does not further anyone having their point/perspective CONSIDERED as the conversation merely becomes a pissing contest...

Here's a thought... if EITHER SIDE is so sure of their perspective... debate the issue... CIVILY... NOT THE PERSON, and concede that people have differing opinions..

Last time I checked thats what we ALL are entitled to in the USA

[RocknRoll]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

That's pretty much a personal attack...

Who cares? It is funny and accurate. The republicans here all follow Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. It's SO obvious, and extremely sad.

if your IQ is the same as your shoe size maybe.

LOL!! You got that right!! Never listen to these guys.

Some folks are just having a hard time realizing that regular people are having a tough time getting Obama's agenda shoved down our throats. I respect those in congress who are willing to stand up and just say "NO" until congress decides to work on something that will increase jobs and improve our economy. Foreclosures are up. Not due to subprime loans now, but because of unemployment. Somebody has got to fix this!!!!

You're fucking dense.

1- YOU guys drove us into this ditch, and you want the keys back? No thank you. I hope you do get the House back, because that won't be a good thing for you in 2012. Good luck.

2- You respect Jon Boehner and Mitch McConnell for wanting to repeal the Finance Reform Bill? You respect the republicans who just sided with Wall Street's Billionaire CEO's in voting no on the Finance Bill? Wow. Let me ask you this. Do you also respect the republican party for not voting to extend unemployment benefits, while millions of Americns are going to now lose their homes? Well? You blame the Dems yet your party wants to withold precious money for out of work citizens, that YOUR party caused- ie Bush economy and his tax cuts. You can't have it both ways.

3- Increase jobs? The GOP wants no part of a jobs bill. They want the worst possible economy come November. That is their hopeful scenario. They also do not want big business to hire- they want them to hold off until the GOP can recquire power....hopefully for all our sake, that won't happen for some time.

4--Go turn on Hannity for your marching orders. You people cannot think on your own.

I can't break apart quotes , so I just have to answer.

YES, they should repeal the Finance Reform Bill among others. It Is a stupid bill with 200+ regulations that don't accomplish anything but restrict lending and increase costs for banks. Nothing to deal with the crisis we are in. I thought there was a commission out there to determine the causes of the the financial crisis. Wouldn't it be great if we determined what really caused the meltdown before we start killing small community banks who make loans to small businesses . I alway heard they were the ones that started job creation.

BTW Let me know when you read the bill. Have you read the HealthCare bill yet???

You're hopeless. I won't even respond to your drivel. Repel repeal repeal. Way to go dude.

Have you read the bills?? I think this is a valid question.

No. Have you? I know the FRB is far from perfect as is the Healthcare bill, but it is a step in the right direction. What's your point? Your contention that there is now too much regulation is typical republican verbiage. It's lazy and predictable, as well as pathetic. Wall Street NEEDS to be regulated, not given more freedoms to burden Main Street for their fuck ups.

So if you haven't read the bills, how do you justify your opinions???

[Rockindeano]

I follow the status on cable news......how do YOU come up with your position? Hannity or Limbaugh?

[7 Wishes]

Funny how a neo-con on this board attacking a Democrat is never even mentioned, but when one of us recoils or fires back, we're the assholes. Very interesting process indeed.

[slucero]

I don't think you or Deano are assholes... I DO think that the two polarized factions on this board do no service to their cause by ridiculing each other for having an opinion.. after all we are all Americans.. and the Constitution applies equally to all of us...

We will never find any middle-ground through personal attack.. and I will pledge to do my best to NEVER attack you, Deano or anyone personally.

If we cannot debate our differences civilly then we all deserve our collective fate.

We're adults here... we should behave like adults.

[Rockindeano]

I don't think you or Deano are assholes... I DO think that the two polarized factions on this board do no service to their cause by ridiculing each other for having an opinion.. after all we are all Americans.. and the Constitution applies equally to all of us...

We will never find any middle-ground through personal attack.. and I will pledge to do my best to NEVER attack you, Deano or anyone personally.

If we cannot debate our differences civilly then we all deserve our collective fate.

We're adults here... we should behave like adults.

OK. Good start, if the intent is real.

[slucero]

It is Deano.. I'm SICK of all this divisiveness...

If we have opinions.. thats a GOOD THING... but we have to factually debate them.. not slag each other...

Hurling f-bombs at each other serves no purpose..

Staying polarized is EXACTLY what BOTH parties want.. we keep ourselves occupied while they retain power... and both parties have done their damnedest to do keep us fighting...

There's a reason George Washington hated political parties... he laid it out pretty succinctly in his farewell message to the country. The men of this time KNEW the dangers of parties defining political morality... and we owe it to EACH OTHER to heed their warnings.. as Washington so eloquently empresses below..

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Washingto ... Address#20

20 I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.

21 This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

22 The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.

23 Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

24 It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

25 There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.

[RedWingFan]

... continue to ride Limbaugh's cock like there's no tomorrow.

You're full of shit and you know it.

Thats pretty much a personal attack...

Way to selectively read, slucero. Keep in mind I was responding to "You're the liar and chief fabricator here dipshit!" Contextualize, son.

What's wrong with that? That's not a personal attack, it's a proven fact! (see sig.)

[RedWingFan]

You're fucking dense.
1- YOU guys drove us into this ditch, and you want the keys back? No thank you. I hope you do get the House back, because that won't be a good thing for you in 2012. Good luck.

Pretty lame parroting Obama's teleprompter dude! Who needs luck when we have Obama's policies as issue #1. If he's doing so great, your party should be happy to run on his policies.

2- You respect Jon Boehner and Mitch McConnell for wanting to repeal the Finance Reform Bill? You respect the republicans who just sided with Wall Street's Billionaire CEO's in voting no on the Finance Bill? Wow. Let me ask you this. Do you also respect the republican party for not voting to extend unemployment benefits, while millions of Americns are going to now lose their homes? Well? You blame the Dems yet your party wants to withold precious money for out of work citizens, that YOUR party caused- ie Bush economy and his tax cuts. You can't have it both ways.

When republicans had control of Congress and Presidency in 2007, those people had jobs, unemployment was near 5%.

3- Increase jobs? The GOP wants no part of a jobs bill. They want the worst possible economy come November. That is their hopeful scenario. They also do not want big business to hire- they want them to hold off until the GOP can recquire power....hopefully for all our sake, that won't happen for some time.

Why would we need a jobs bill when we already have the wonderful stimulus? Because it like your miserable president and miserable party are utter failures. The American people now recognize it. Enjoy your assbeatings in '10 and '12.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... 025329.php

[RedWingFan]

As for your heartless explanation regarding unemployment benefits, fuck you. I hope you fuckers run on this agenda..The entire nation will be against you. Who's side are you on anyway? There are millions of people hurting, primarily due to Bush economics, and now you want to yank the safety rug out from underneath them? Man, how can you think the way you do? And you call yourself a Christian? Hell, you call yourself an American. I was in the US Army and went to war for this country. However, I would never go fight for people like you and your selfish fucking thought process. It's sickening. So when the family of four loses their home in Gary, IN, becuse their unemployment ran out, make sure to pray for em...I'm sure they'll find comfort in that.

Dean, your "moral high ground" here is hilarious.

Please explain to us the virtues of electing politicians to, what basically boils down to knocking on the doors of working Americans and stealing their property and giving it to you with punishment of jail if we don't comply.
If it's illegal for you to break into someone's home and loot it, why is morally okay to "hire" politicians to do it for you by passing an immoral law? If you're willing to defend these "laws", be prepared to defend the looters after the OJ verdict as well. Same difference.

[donnaplease]

I don't think anyone wants someone else to lose their home, etc because of being unemployed. I came very close to that when my hubby couldn't find work, so I can empathize. However, the unemployment benefits can neither be a crutch for the failure of the government to make this stimulus plan work. Obama promised jobs and they really aren't materializing. That's a fact. (Hubby's back to work now, not because a job was 'created', but due to the retirement of the person he's replacing)

Now, we also talk about how Bush's tax cuts caused this mess. It may have contributed to it, I'm not smart enough to understand economics, so I won't speak to that too much. What the 'other side' needs to concede to, however, is that the democrats have been in control of Congress for nearly FOUR years now, and they need to take some accountability in this process. Just as the republicans are talking about repeal of the Health Care bill, why haven't the democrats pursued repeal of those tax cuts? Instead of complaining about them, don't they have the power to correct the problem, if that truly is what has caused this mess? Aren't they remiss for not doing what's in the best interest of the country? I ask these questions from the other side of the fence, of course, but I also ask them as someone who wants to understand the process and the actions of the people involved. My hope is that someone will refrain from accusing me of having someone's dick in my mouth (ugh!) and actually see this as a chance for civil discussion, and an honest appraisal of the situation.

We can sit here talking about how the "rethugs" did this and the "democrooks" did that, but when the rubber hits the road, BOTH parties have failed us. And as someone said here, we are failing ourselves by becoming so polarized over the actions of these politicians. They have us right where they want us. If we continue to argue amongst ourselves instead of telling THEM we've had enough of ALL the bullshit on BOTH sides of the aisle, then we probably deserve what we get from them.

[donnaplease]

Probably got flames shooting out of Deans ass with that one. Of course the Dems are in full control, and could do whatever they want, but they are just gonna let those tax cuts expire on their own so they are not held accountable to a vote for it. That way The Won can't be accused of raising taxes on those under the $250,000 a year earners like he promised he wouldn't do. This way, they can say hey, "that was Bush's law, it expired just like it was supposed to when he signed it". O's off the hook and then re-distribution can really begin in earnst. Unless of course, us Re-thugs take matters back in November in a big way. I think we can.

I've seen Dean's ass up close (there are even pictures somewhere...) and trust me it's not a pretty site!

My intent isn't to incite hostility with the question, it really is to talk about the issues. You're probably right about letting them expire, and politically I guess it makes perfect sense to do it the way you suggest. Isn't it basically equivalent to raising taxes, though? I can intellectually see both sides of it, I just hate the politics of it. And if they are as evil as some suggest them to be, the politics of it shouldn't matter. It should be done because it's the right thing to do, despite that it may cause some unrest among likely voters. That, my friends, is called ethics.

IDK. I'm starting to really hate this whole process. Something that was created to be a good and fair thing is twisted and manipulated until the process seems nothing like that which those who created it desired it to be.

A question for the liberals...

The new director of CMS is on record saying that 'redistribution' of wealth is the only way to have a fair society (paraphrased). Do you agree with this? Why or why not? (Not really asking this of the conservatives, because pretty much across the board cons are against it. I think libs are split on the topic though). Please share your thoughts.

[The_Noble_Cause]

When republicans had control of Congress and Presidency in 2007, those people had jobs, unemployment was near 5%.

The anemic Bush economy was total smoke and mirrors fueled by the housing bubble. Tbe bubble has now burst and left us with a one trillion dollar loss in demand. An 800 billion dollar temporary stimulus was not adequate to offset that. Nothing can offset that. Welcome to the new normal. Inflating a new bubble, (or pining for the good ole days of the Bush-Clinton bubble economy), is NOT the solution.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just as the republicans are talking about repeal of the Health Care bill, why haven't the democrats pursued repeal of those tax cuts? Instead of complaining about them, don't they have the power to correct the problem, if that truly is what has caused this mess?

The Democrats have not repealed the cuts for several reasons -

1) Any such act will be distorted by the Right as a new tax hike. So instead, Dems are choosing to let the cuts expire - which the Right wing media will then promptly dishonestly portray as a tax hike anyways (this has already begun).
2) The cuts benefit the wealthy, whom both parties rely upon as a donor base. This one is a no brainer.
3) Given the economy's fragile state, some economists have argued that the repeal would jeopardize the non-existent economic recovery allegedly taking place.

Greenspan, one of the big cheerleaders for the Bush tax cuts, has now come out in favor of letting them expire. It’s good to see that his contrition tour doesn't stop with the acknowledgement that markets don't magically regulate themselves. I’m beginning to like this guy. Shame it took destroying the economy for him to finally see the light.

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