President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

3. Call on Congress to repeal the provision in healthcare reform mandating that small businesses file IRS 1099 forms on purchases of over $600.
Increase the deficits and debt by $17 billion over ten years per Congressional Budget Office estimate. The provision was included in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to close the business tax gap.

And they ought to drop this new silly rule over 1099 forms. A perfect example of how government makes it hard for businesses to run. I know a number companies big and small that are curtailing the number of independent contractors that they hire on a 1099 basis partly because they cant handle the higher reporting burden, the compliance time, and the inevitable IRS audit which comes when the Feds want to compare how you contract with your 1099 employees as opoosed to how you manage your other employees. You've only got a whole load of independent contractors who aren't getting the amount of work they usually get or getting their small enterprises run out of business. And when they get run out business of course they dont pay taxes.

Whilst have little time for John Boehner (who like so many "conservatives" pay lip service to the ideals of free markets and capitalism and then don't really fight for them) , hes right about this and a most of the things on his list.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Never happen Deano... if the economy continues south into 2012, and all indications are that it will... even Hillary isn't stupid enough to step in front of the trainwreck that will hit the Dems... she wants to be the candidate that wins not the one that ran against negative public sentiment about the incumbent party.. and loses

Hillary's time as a viable political candidate is extremely limited. Even during 2008, she had to withstand sexist potshots about her looking old and frumpy. I don't think she'll ever run again, but if by some slim chance 2012 presents an opening, I think she'd take it. Those who think she would be damaged goods coming out of the failed Obama administration, aren't paying attention. Most current GOP candidates are back selling the same Bush snake oil that got us in this mess, and are having no problem getting elected.

[slucero]

Never happen Deano... if the economy continues south into 2012, and all indications are that it will... even Hillary isn't stupid enough to step in front of the trainwreck that will hit the Dems... she wants to be the candidate that wins not the one that ran against negative public sentiment about the incumbent party.. and loses

Hillary's time as a viable political candidate is extremely limited. Even during 2008, she had to withstand sexist potshots about her looking old and frumpy. I don't think she'll ever run again, but if by some slim chance 2012 presents an opening, I think she'd take it. Those who think she would be damaged goods coming out of the failed Obama administration, aren't paying attention. Most current GOP candidates are back selling the same Bush snake oil that got us in this mess, and are having no problem getting elected.

I don't think Hill would be damaged goods, she won't get blamed in the way Obama or the Democratic Party will.. I think the perception of the Dem Party will be the real reason that would cause her to decide against it.. and knowing she'd be running against Republicans painting her with the "guilty by association" brush, she'd be put into a position of having to defend Obama's administration and they're (perceived) mistakes...

In the larger context, I think neither party should retain total control of Congress, because we have larger problems with both sides of the isle being largley self serving and corrupt..

[Monker]

Ironic isn't it Dean? Back in 2006 and 2007 when we, along with TNC and 7 Wishes, tried to tell them that this was where Bush and his band of economic blood suckers were taking this economy they said it would never happen. Now that their house of cards economy, built on Wall Street paper instead of Main Street labor, crashed IN 2008, it's all Obama's fault.

2006? I was arguing Bush's non-economic policy way back in his first term. His only economic policy was early tax refunds. He had no economic policy.

It is absolutely ridiculous for anybody to blame Obama for not being able to fix in 2yrs Bush's 8yrs of destroying the economy.

[donnaplease]

It is absolutely ridiculous for anybody to blame Obama for not being able to fix in 2yrs Bush's 8yrs of destroying the economy.

"Fix" the economy? Probably not. But he's taking it in entirely the WRONG direction, and the recent economic data is proving that out.

One man (neither Bush nor BO) is responsible for this. It's Congress. And the dems have had the 'keys to the car' for FOUR years now. There's more than enough culpability to go around.

The name calling and finger pointing has to stop. Only then can the REAL work get started. I'm so sick of all this negative crap. I'd love - for once in a LONG time - just to hear a candidate step up and talk about the good things he/she can bring to the table, not just talk about the bad traits of his/her opponent. Of course that won't happen though, because unless you're shit-slinging you're not considered electable. Really sad, and just plain pathetic.

[slucero]

"Fix" the economy? Probably not. But he's taking it in entirely the WRONG direction, and the recent economic data is proving that out.

One man (neither Bush nor BO) is responsible for this. It's Congress. And the dems have had the 'keys to the car' for FOUR years now. There's more than enough culpability to go around.

The name calling and finger pointing has to stop. Only then can the REAL work get started. I'm so sick of all this negative crap. I'd love - for once in a LONG time - just to hear a candidate step up and talk about the good things he/she can bring to the table, not just talk about the bad traits of his/her opponent. Of course that won't happen though, because unless you're shit-slinging you're not considered electable. Really sad, and just plain pathetic.

Its funny how Americans seem to forget that the President doesn't make laws... Congress does.. .

[Monker]

It is absolutely ridiculous for anybody to blame Obama for not being able to fix in 2yrs Bush's 8yrs of destroying the economy.

"Fix" the economy? Probably not. But he's taking it in entirely the WRONG direction, and the recent economic data is proving that out.

I disagree with that. What Bush left Obama with was a mess of indescribable proportions. The entire financial system had colapsed. If NOTHING had been done, I believe we would be worse off then the great depression. To avoid this, they HAD to 'bail out' major portions of the economy. To not do so would have been foolish.

One man (neither Bush nor BO) is responsible for this. It's Congress.

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Bush set the agenda for his entire second term by the Iraq war. There was NO investment in this country - none. If all of the effort and money that went into Iraq had gone into the infrastructure of this country, we would have been sitting in a much better situation when the financial sector fell apart.

So now Obama has to play catch up by rebuilding the infrastructure that was ignored for 8yrs by Bush. That creats job, whether you wish to admit it or not. He has to invest heavily in alternative energy, which Bush ignored for 8yrs. That also creates jobs and lessens the importance of countries such as Iraq. He has to focus solely on the middle and lower classes, which were ignored by Bush for 8yrs. He has to ring in the upper classes which were given multiple tax breaks leading to increasing deficits.

I could go on and on about this...and I did when we went into Iraq...saying it was a war we couldn't afford to fight. Bush was an idiot for doing it...and all of those who went along with it were idiots too. We have our own problems in THIS country to fix...and Bush consistently ignored them.

So, yes, one man did cause this, IMO. He had eight years to do it. That's a lot of time of consistently ignoring the economy and it came around and bit us all in the ass.

[slucero]

It is absolutely ridiculous for anybody to blame Obama for not being able to fix in 2yrs Bush's 8yrs of destroying the economy.

"Fix" the economy? Probably not. But he's taking it in entirely the WRONG direction, and the recent economic data is proving that out.

I disagree with that. What Bush left Obama with was a mess of indescribable proportions. The entire financial system had colapsed. If NOTHING had been done, I believe we would be worse off then the great depression. To avoid this, they HAD to 'bail out' major portions of the economy. To not do so would have been foolish.

One man (neither Bush nor BO) is responsible for this. It's Congress.

\

Bush set the agenda for his entire second term by the Iraq war. There was NO investment in this country - none. If all of the effort and money that went into Iraq had gone into the infrastructure of this country, we would have been sitting in a much better situation when the financial sector fell apart.

So now Obama has to play catch up by rebuilding the infrastructure that was ignored for 8yrs by Bush. That creats job, whether you wish to admit it or not. He has to invest heavily in alternative energy, which Bush ignored for 8yrs. That also creates jobs and lessens the importance of countries such as Iraq. He has to focus solely on the middle and lower classes, which were ignored by Bush for 8yrs. He has to ring in the upper classes which were given multiple tax breaks leading to increasing deficits.

I could go on and on about this...and I did when we went into Iraq...saying it was a war we couldn't afford to fight. Bush was an idiot for doing it...and all of those who went along with it were idiots too. We have our own problems in THIS country to fix...and Bush consistently ignored them.

So, yes, one man did cause this, IMO. He had eight years to do it. That's a lot of time of consistently ignoring the economy and it came around and bit us all in the ass.

Congress had to pass this for the Iraq war to happen...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorizat ... on_of_2002

The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 [1], Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.

So, no, one man did not cause this, one Congress DID.

[RedWingFan]

Bush set the agenda for his entire second term by the Iraq war. There was NO investment in this country - none. If all of the effort and money that went into Iraq had gone into the infrastructure of this country, we would have been sitting in a much better situation when the financial sector fell apart.

So now Obama has to play catch up by rebuilding the infrastructure that was ignored for 8yrs by Bush. That creats job, whether you wish to admit it or not. He has to invest heavily in alternative energy, which Bush ignored for 8yrs. That also creates jobs and lessens the importance of countries such as Iraq. He has to focus solely on the middle and lower classes, which were ignored by Bush for 8yrs. He has to ring in the upper classes which were given multiple tax breaks leading to increasing deficits.

I could go on and on about this...and I did when we went into Iraq...saying it was a war we couldn't afford to fight. Bush was an idiot for doing it...and all of those who went along with it were idiots too. We have our own problems in THIS country to fix...and Bush consistently ignored them.

So, yes, one man did cause this, IMO. He had eight years to do it. That's a lot of time of consistently ignoring the economy and it came around and bit us all in the ass.

It amazes me how much of an economic retard you are!

[Monker]

Congress had to pass this for the Iraq war to happen...

That is a lie. Bush was going forward regardless of how that vote turned. The vote was to save face and not end up like Vietnam where Congress never did declare war.

[RocknRoll]

It is absolutely ridiculous for anybody to blame Obama for not being able to fix in 2yrs Bush's 8yrs of destroying the economy.

"Fix" the economy? Probably not. But he's taking it in entirely the WRONG direction, and the recent economic data is proving that out.

I disagree with that. What Bush left Obama with was a mess of indescribable proportions. The entire financial system had colapsed. If NOTHING had been done, I believe we would be worse off then the great depression. To avoid this, they HAD to 'bail out' major portions of the economy. To not do so would have been foolish.

One man (neither Bush nor BO) is responsible for this. It's Congress.

\

Bush set the agenda for his entire second term by the Iraq war. There was NO investment in this country - none. If all of the effort and money that went into Iraq had gone into the infrastructure of this country, we would have been sitting in a much better situation when the financial sector fell apart.

So now Obama has to play catch up by rebuilding the infrastructure that was ignored for 8yrs by Bush. That creats job, whether you wish to admit it or not. He has to invest heavily in alternative energy, which Bush ignored for 8yrs. That also creates jobs and lessens the importance of countries such as Iraq. He has to focus solely on the middle and lower classes, which were ignored by Bush for 8yrs. He has to ring in the upper classes which were given multiple tax breaks leading to increasing deficits.

I could go on and on about this...and I did when we went into Iraq...saying it was a war we couldn't afford to fight. Bush was an idiot for doing it...and all of those who went along with it were idiots too. We have our own problems in THIS country to fix...and Bush consistently ignored them.

So, yes, one man did cause this, IMO. He had eight years to do it. That's a lot of time of consistently ignoring the economy and it came around and bit us all in the ass.

No funding, No war!!!

I'm certainly not an advocate of war as a solution to anything. BUT if I remember my history correctly, wasn't WWII what finally led the US out of the Great Depression?

[Monker]

It is absolutely ridiculous for anybody to blame Obama for not being able to fix in 2yrs Bush's 8yrs of destroying the economy.

"Fix" the economy? Probably not. But he's taking it in entirely the WRONG direction, and the recent economic data is proving that out.

I disagree with that. What Bush left Obama with was a mess of indescribable proportions. The entire financial system had colapsed. If NOTHING had been done, I believe we would be worse off then the great depression. To avoid this, they HAD to 'bail out' major portions of the economy. To not do so would have been foolish.

One man (neither Bush nor BO) is responsible for this. It's Congress.

\

Bush set the agenda for his entire second term by the Iraq war. There was NO investment in this country - none. If all of the effort and money that went into Iraq had gone into the infrastructure of this country, we would have been sitting in a much better situation when the financial sector fell apart.

So now Obama has to play catch up by rebuilding the infrastructure that was ignored for 8yrs by Bush. That creats job, whether you wish to admit it or not. He has to invest heavily in alternative energy, which Bush ignored for 8yrs. That also creates jobs and lessens the importance of countries such as Iraq. He has to focus solely on the middle and lower classes, which were ignored by Bush for 8yrs. He has to ring in the upper classes which were given multiple tax breaks leading to increasing deficits.

I could go on and on about this...and I did when we went into Iraq...saying it was a war we couldn't afford to fight. Bush was an idiot for doing it...and all of those who went along with it were idiots too. We have our own problems in THIS country to fix...and Bush consistently ignored them.

So, yes, one man did cause this, IMO. He had eight years to do it. That's a lot of time of consistently ignoring the economy and it came around and bit us all in the ass.

No funding, No war!!!

I'm certainly not an advocate of war as a solution to anything. BUT if I remember my history correctly, wasn't WWII what finally led the US out of the Great Depression?

All of the votes for funding were politicized into being about patriotism. On the one hand, you are voting for your support of the war if you vote for funding...if you vote against, you are voting against the troops. IMO, that is the entire reason why Bush put this outside of the normal budget...politics.

IMO, those who voted for the war in the original debate should have been voted out of office...including Hillary. It was wrong, and many knew it but tried to shove responsibility to the President. Their responsibility were to those citizens they represented - and all of those who voted for the war failed the citizens they represented.

WWII helped the economy by boosting manufacturing. The US economy is no longer based so much on manufacturing....though it would not surprise me if Bush thought it was. Wars like Iraq and Afghanistan do nothing for the economy...they hurt it because they increase the deficit or are redirecting $'s which could be invested in the US.

[Monker]

Bush set the agenda for his entire second term by the Iraq war. There was NO investment in this country - none. If all of the effort and money that went into Iraq had gone into the infrastructure of this country, we would have been sitting in a much better situation when the financial sector fell apart.

So now Obama has to play catch up by rebuilding the infrastructure that was ignored for 8yrs by Bush. That creats job, whether you wish to admit it or not. He has to invest heavily in alternative energy, which Bush ignored for 8yrs. That also creates jobs and lessens the importance of countries such as Iraq. He has to focus solely on the middle and lower classes, which were ignored by Bush for 8yrs. He has to ring in the upper classes which were given multiple tax breaks leading to increasing deficits.

I could go on and on about this...and I did when we went into Iraq...saying it was a war we couldn't afford to fight. Bush was an idiot for doing it...and all of those who went along with it were idiots too. We have our own problems in THIS country to fix...and Bush consistently ignored them.

So, yes, one man did cause this, IMO. He had eight years to do it. That's a lot of time of consistently ignoring the economy and it came around and bit us all in the ass.

It amazes me how much of an economic retard you are!

It's the B.D.S. No cure for it as far as I can tell.

So, Obama VOTED for the deficit he "inherited"?
Oh, yes he did.
Oh, but he didn't have a thing to do with this mess....
The Washington Post babbled again today about Obama inheriting a huge deficit from Bush. Amazingly enough,...... a lot of people swallow this nonsense.

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party. They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases. For FY 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to
complete the FY 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to
complete FY 2009.

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who
voted for the budgets. If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself!

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying? I inherited a deficit
that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit
four-fold.

Yeah, BDS - Bush Did Shit.

[Monker]

Reports are that Senior Dem Leaders are pushing The LoOser to "Now extend ALL of the Bush Tax Cuts."

Hmmmmm....

How will Monker and ohsherrie spin this if true? Are tax cuts really the way to economic prosperity? If not, why this push? Decisions decisions.....

Push what? He's a pussy Democrat caving into political pressure from the hypocritical Republicans who whine about the deficity but do nothing about it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Today is the big 8/28 Restoring Honor Rally in DC on the Mall with Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, at 8:30 in the morning the crowd is streaming in with maybe 300,000 expected.

Pretty embarrassing. At least the Tea Parties joined together for the common ideological cause of fighting big government and higher taxes. Beck’s sales pitch for this event has been all over the map. First it was to debut his new book to win elections, The Plan. Then it was about reclaiming the civil rights movement. Then it was all about raising money for families of fallen soldiers. Then he finally settled on some mealy-mouthed vague nonsense about "Restoring Honor" (whatever the fuck that means). Ultimately, it just serves to validate Barnum's law, and show that these authoritarian drones will turn up wherever their dear leader (who now claims to speak on behalf of the holy spirit) commands.

[SF-Dano]

Some media reporting a few thousand showed up for Becks rally....fuckers.

"Forrest???" ....... "Jenny??.......Jenny!!!!" And thats all I got to say about that.

[RedWingFan]

Some media reporting a few thousand showed up for Becks rally....fuckers.

"Forrest???" ....... "Jenny??.......Jenny!!!!" And thats all I got to say about that.

Stupid movie. Can't believe that idiotic piece of crap beat out "Shawshank Redemption"!

[artist4perry]

I watched it and was touched. It was a prayer for strength for our country to get back to moral standing. To do what is right. A time to get back to faith and our roots. Those who are of faith. To return to honor. Whatever that is? Sad you would need a definition. To do what is morally and ethically right. Like every country could not use a little more of that? Just seems some are out to hate Beck just because they hate Beck. I enjoyed it. Don't expect it to be everyone's cup of tea. But I have always enjoyed tea. Why is Beck not allowed to give honor to civil rights? Since it was the anniversary of ML's great speach, it was only fitting. I guess I will never get hate the other guy no matter what. Not even when for once they get something right.

Honor defined: a keen sense of right and wrong; adherence to action or principles considered right; integrity: to conduct oneself with honor

[The_Noble_Cause]

Today is the big 8/28 Restoring Honor Rally in DC on the Mall with Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, at 8:30 in the morning the crowd is streaming in with maybe 300,000 expected.

Pretty embarrassing. At least the Tea Parties joined together for the common ideological cause of fighting big government and higher taxes. Beck’s sales pitch for this event has been all over the map. First it was to debut his new book to win elections, The Plan. Then it was about reclaiming the civil rights movement. Then it was all about raising money for families of fallen soldiers. Then he finally settled on some mealy-mouthed vague nonsense about "Restoring Honor" (whatever the fuck that means). Ultimately, it just serves to validate Barnum's law, and show that these authoritarian drones will turn up wherever their dear leader (who now claims to speak on behalf of the holy spirit) commands.

What's your point? Beck has alot of dumb uneducated fans.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Today is the big 8/28 Restoring Honor Rally in DC on the Mall with Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, at 8:30 in the morning the crowd is streaming in with maybe 300,000 expected.

Pretty embarrassing. At least the Tea Parties joined together for the common ideological cause of fighting big government and higher taxes. Beck’s sales pitch for this event has been all over the map. First it was to debut his new book to win elections, The Plan. Then it was about reclaiming the civil rights movement. Then it was all about raising money for families of fallen soldiers. Then he finally settled on some mealy-mouthed vague nonsense about "Restoring Honor" (whatever the fuck that means). Ultimately, it just serves to validate Barnum's law, and show that these authoritarian drones will turn up wherever their dear leader (who now claims to speak on behalf of the holy spirit) commands.

You know, I tend to disagree with most of the positions you take on issues, but I find myself agreeing here. As a capitalist, a Lockean and a believer in minimalist government some might think I would like this guy (Glenn Beck), but I can't stand this him. The biggest problem in my opinion facing the US is that there is a widespread fundamental minunderstanding of the principle that " Individuals have rights and there are things no person or group may do to them without violating their rights", and what that ought to mean in terms economic and public policy.

Instead of making a case for those principles, seriously, consistently , this guy bounces all over the place, one week attacking teddy rooselvelt to no good reason or effect, next day giving us a lecture about culture , then onto Thomas Paine, then a little more about economics until ziz zagging in another direction. All whilst being emotional, one minute having a joke, the next minute crying. If you chuck in the fact that he is a Calvinist, believes in original sin and predestination ,. so cant really understand free will and human responsibility in a coherent fashion- you realise that hes probalby the best thing thats ever happened to those who hate the ideas that he supposedly purports-it gives them something to hurl ridicule upon.

& I cant stand it when he goes on about Ayn Rand. She'd kick him in the balls and tell him to fuck off.

I have alot of time for the Tea Parties their candidates but certainly not for this guy

[The_Noble_Cause]

I watched it and was touched. It was a prayer for strength for our country to get back to moral standing. To do what is right. A time to get back to faith and our roots.

Like I said, a bunch of vague generalized hooey. Even Beck couldn't put into words what this event was. I know what an anti-war protest is. I know was an anti-tax protest looks like. This was pure Beck self-aggrandizement couched in pseudo-history and religiosity. Like all televangelists, Beck is a fraud. Seems like any idiot can say the name “Jesus” and the gullible come running to empty out their pockets.

Those who are of faith. To return to honor. Whatever that is? Sad you would need a definition.

Whose definition? And in what dictionary? Just a year ago, Beck was encouraging expanding the Iraq War into Iran and selling waterboarding merchandise on his website. Is that honor? Since when are bombs and torture articles of faith?

To do what is morally and ethically right. Like every country could not use a little more of that?

According to who? And why would I be caught dead celebrating morality and ethics in the nation’s capitol with a radio DJ? I’ve listened to Beck promote this for weeks now, he has told listeners that a divine miracle would happen, that people would be telling their grandkids about this historic day, and that the lord may speak through him, and that he’s going to reclaim the civil rights movement. Blah blah blah. Enough’s enough. This guy is high on his own BS and rapidly turning into an apocalyptic demagogue out of a bad Stephen King book.

Just seems some are out to hate Beck just because they hate Beck. I enjoyed it.

Please. He is hated because he has taken right wing lying to shameful new depths, while injecting a new element of self-messianic destiny, something that even the swollen-headed Limbaugh would never attempt – and that is saying something.

Why is Beck not allowed to give honor to civil rights? Since it was the anniversary of ML's great speach, it was only fitting.

1) Beck already said he wasn’t aware that this date coincided with the date of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech. So that’s a coincidence at best. He was initially going to use the date to sell more of his ghost written books.

2 ) Given that Beck is a self-described “progressive hunter” who wants to undo the achievements of progressive movement, there couldn’t be more of an unqualified spokesman for the civil rights movement other than, say, David Duke. As with women’s rights, progressives fought tooth and nail for civil rights (excluding the southern-raised, Woodrow Wilson). King himself was considered a card-carrying communist by the FBI and his record makes Van Jones look like a squeaky clean boy scout. Beck stands 180 degrees opposed to King’s socialist teachings (i.e. guaranteed income, housing, anti-war pacifism).

Honor defined: a keen sense of right and wrong; adherence to action or principles considered right; integrity: to conduct oneself with honor

Again, generalized nonsense. Right and wrong and honor according to who? A fast talking huckster who changes his political views on a whim, and professes to speak for the lord while making jokes about fatally poisoning the House Speaker and Obama’s dead family members? Sounds like you and the right wing are desperately hard-up for heroes.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You know, I tend to disagree with most of the positions you take on issues, but I find myself agreeing here. As a capitalist, a Lockean and a believer in minimalist government some might think I would like this guy (Glenn Beck), but I can't stand this him. The biggest problem in my opinion facing the US is that there is a widespread fundamental minunderstanding of the principle that " Individuals have rights and there are things no person or group may do to them without violating their rights", and what that ought to mean in terms economic and public policy.

Instead of making a case for those principles, seriously, consistently , this guy bounces all over the place, one week attacking teddy rooselvelt to no good reason or effect, next day giving us a lecture about culture , then onto Thomas Paine, then a little more about economics until ziz zagging in another direction. All whilst being emotional, one minute having a joke, the next minute crying. If you chuck in the fact that he is a Calvinist, believes in original sin and predestination ,. so cant really understand free will and human responsibility in a coherent fashion- you realise that hes probalby the best thing thats ever happened to those who hate the ideas that he supposedly purports-it gives them something to hurl ridicule upon.

& I cant stand it when he goes on about Ayn Rand. She'd kick him in the balls and tell him to fuck off.

I have alot of time for the Tea Parties their candidates but certainly not for this guy

Thanks Matt. Glad somebody sees through him. I know Mark Levin has also commented that Beck's ideology is an inconsistent and incoherent hodge-podge. I swear, something snapped in Beck's brain around the time of Bush's last year in office. What used to be a light-hearted right wing show morphed into a bizzaro version of the 700 Club with Beck crying and telling his listeners to get down and pray.

[RossValoryRocks]

Thanks Matt. Glad somebody sees through him. I know Mark Levin has also commented that Beck's ideology is an inconsistent and incoherent hodge-podge. I swear, something snapped in Beck's brain around the time of Bush's last year in office. What used to be a light-hearted right wing show morphed into a bizzaro version of the 700 Club with Beck crying and telling his listeners to get down and pray.

ROFLMAO! A bizzaro version of the 700 Club...PRICELESS...can I use that please??

And really...something more weird than Pat Robertson is well...amazingly weird.

I don't listen to Beck...don't know what the whole shindig today was about...but to get almost a million people there, for whatever the reason, is impressive.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Thanks Matt. Glad somebody sees through him. I know Mark Levin has also commented that Beck's ideology is an inconsistent and incoherent hodge-podge. I swear, something snapped in Beck's brain around the time of Bush's last year in office. What used to be a light-hearted right wing show morphed into a bizzaro version of the 700 Club with Beck crying and telling his listeners to get down and pray.

ROFLMAO! A bizzaro version of the 700 Club...PRICELESS...can I use that please??

And really...something more weird than Pat Robertson is well...amazingly weird.

I don't listen to Beck...don't know what the whole shindig today was about...but to get almost a million people there, for whatever the reason, is impressive.

It IS impressive. I really thought this was one transparent ploy too far for him. I mean, who would travel in the sweltering August heat to DC just to celebrate "honor"? That's just a noun - not a specific cause like ending the draft or segregation. And use whatever you want, I figure everything on these boards is public domain anyway. Come to think of it, the regular 700 Club is pretty bizzaro as it is.

[RocknRoll]

Thanks Matt. Glad somebody sees through him. I know Mark Levin has also commented that Beck's ideology is an inconsistent and incoherent hodge-podge. I swear, something snapped in Beck's brain around the time of Bush's last year in office. What used to be a light-hearted right wing show morphed into a bizzaro version of the 700 Club with Beck crying and telling his listeners to get down and pray.

ROFLMAO! A bizzaro version of the 700 Club...PRICELESS...can I use that please??

And really...something more weird than Pat Robertson is well...amazingly weird.

I don't listen to Beck...don't know what the whole shindig today was about...but to get almost a million people there, for whatever the reason, is impressive.

It IS impressive. I really thought this was one transparent ploy too far for him. I mean, who would travel in the sweltering August heat to DC just to celebrate "honor"? That's just a noun - not a specific cause like ending the draft or segregation. And use whatever you want, I figure everything on these boards is public domain anyway. Come to think of it, the regular 700 Club is pretty bizzaro as it is.

This just bothers me a lot. This country is getting polarized and that is not a good thing IMO. Obama was elected as the first almost Black/American President to unite this country and now look what we're getting. I actually blame Obama for not working to unite America instead of trying to force his ideas on the American public. IDK, I'm just sad and scared about the whole thing.

BTW!! I'm definately not a Beck fan either.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This just bothers me a lot. This country is getting polarized and that is not a good thing IMO. Obama was elected as the first almost Black/American President to unite this country and now look what we're getting. I actually blame Obama for not working to unite America instead of trying to force his ideas on the American public. IDK, I'm just sad and scared about the whole thing.

I fault Obama for creating a leadership vacuum. His attempts at controlling the narrative have amounted to a charm offensive on TV talk shows, which quickly grew tiring. Now he's just sorta MIA. But that's ok. The president isn't a babysitter. I also don't think he has forced any ideas on the American public. He wasted a whole year wrangling with Congres over the health care bill. If he truly wanted to ram Canadian single payer down your throat, he could have.

[RocknRoll]

This just bothers me a lot. This country is getting polarized and that is not a good thing IMO. Obama was elected as the first almost Black/American President to unite this country and now look what we're getting. I actually blame Obama for not working to unite America instead of trying to force his ideas on the American public. IDK, I'm just sad and scared about the whole thing.

I fault Obama for creating a leadership vacuum. His attempts at controlling the narrative have amounted to a charm offensive on TV talk shows, which quickly grew tiring. Now he's just sorta MIA. But that's ok. The president isn't a babysitter. I also don't think he has forced any ideas on the American public. He wasted a whole year wrangling with Congres over the health care bill. If he truly wanted to ram Canadian single payer down your throat, he could have.

I agree about the talk shows. Totally stupid. What he did was champion two worthless bills so he could have scapegoats. Nobody even understands these bills and what the impications are. All it did is give the extremists a rallying point. I just think things are going to get ugly. I really hate this!!

[artist4perry]

TNC I am not about to read your well thought out diatribe above, unless I get really bored. I unlike you am not slave to any party. I vote for who I want, when I want. I like moral values, and my only "hero" is God and Christ. Not Beck or anyone else. I never said I am a big follower of his, but I did like the service today. Very inspiring. As I said it might not be everyone's cup of tea. I know you hate his guts. You have made it very clear. I personally have no beef with the man, though I don't agree with everything he says. This was just a nice service.

Apparently not your thing. Didn't say you had to like it or agree with it. But you did say something about not getting what the honor thing was about, so I left a definition for ya.

Your welcome to your oppinions. I am welcome to mine. Praise the Lord. LOL! Lighten up cutie pie. Your panties are wadded in a bunch again.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC I am not about to read your well thought out diatribe above, unless I get really bored. I unlike you am not slave to any party. I vote for who I want, when I want. I like moral values, and my only "hero" is God and Christ. Not Beck or anyone else. I never said I am a big follower of his, but I did like the service today. Very inspiring. As I said it might not be everyone's cup of tea. I know you hate his guts. You have made it very clear. I personally have no beef with the man, though I don't agree with everything he says. This was just a nice service.

Apparently not your thing. Didn't say you had to like it or agree with it. But you did say something about not getting what the honor thing was about, so I left a definition for ya.

Your welcome to your oppinions. I am welcome to mine. Praise the Lord. LOL! Lighten up cutie pie. Your panties are wadded in a bunch again.

Yep. You're just soooo open minded, you flatly refuse to read my response above. If that's not the hallmark of someone bound by blind dogma, and not free thinking, I don't know what is. If you've made it this far into this post, let me also say that I also think you're bluffing. The only people tuned in to Beck's big tent evengelical sideshow this morning were hardcore fans. You mean to tell me you always switch on CSPAN bright and early over the weekend? C'mon. Get real. I tuned in because I wanted to see the decay of modern political discourse live and in high def. Y'know, the same sorta rubbernecking urge you get to watch contestants eat head cheese and yak balls on Fear Factor.

[artist4perry]

TNC I am not about to read your well thought out diatribe above, unless I get really bored. I unlike you am not slave to any party. I vote for who I want, when I want. I like moral values, and my only "hero" is God and Christ. Not Beck or anyone else. I never said I am a big follower of his, but I did like the service today. Very inspiring. As I said it might not be everyone's cup of tea. I know you hate his guts. You have made it very clear. I personally have no beef with the man, though I don't agree with everything he says. This was just a nice service.

Apparently not your thing. Didn't say you had to like it or agree with it. But you did say something about not getting what the honor thing was about, so I left a definition for ya.

Your welcome to your oppinions. I am welcome to mine. Praise the Lord. LOL! Lighten up cutie pie. Your panties are wadded in a bunch again.

Yep. You're just soooo open minded, you flatly refuse to read my response above. If that's not the hallmark of someone bound by blind dogma, and not free thinking, I don't know what is. If you've made it this far into this post, let me also say that I also think you're bluffing. The only people tuned in to Beck's big tent evengelical sideshow this morning were hardcore fans. You mean to tell me you always switch on CSPAN bright and early over the weekend? C'mon. Get real. I tuned in because I wanted to see the decay of modern political discourse live and in high def. Y'know, the same sorta rubbernecking urge you get to watch contestants eat head cheese and yak balls on Fear Factor.

I was turning the channel and happened upon the show. I caught it about 2/3 of the way in. I did not mean to come across as though I refuse to read your post sweetie, I just truly don't have the energy to sort through all of it. How do you have the energy to reply to every statement? LOL!

Truth be told I have been working on another caricature, and just jotted in to see what was said. I liked it. Pure and simple. I am not a big Beck fan, I cannot even tell you when his show is on. So I don't know how that makes me a hard core fan. I rarely even watch tv. I have too much to do, and I like peeping in here too much. I am not a political junkie such as yourself.

I just find it funny you attack anyone who thinks differently than yourself. I read a little bit of what you wrote. I am not too keen on Fear Factor, but if you like watching people yak up stuff more power too ya. I am Scottish in heritage, and enjoyed the bagpipes, and that many people singing Amazing Grace. I also enjoyed the tribute to MLK. Very nice.

Again sugar, no hard feelings to ya. Just find you take this all to personal. Maybe I am misreading you. Anyway, let me know if you want a caricature. It was just an oppinion about the show I watched. Not an I am right you are wrong, crap. We all have our thoughts and are entitled to them. Hugs cuttie!